Re: Courier-imap Outlook problem - RE: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-15 Thread Fraser Campbell
On February 12, 2004 11:31 pm, Debian ISP wrote:

> One problem we keep having involves M$ Outlook clients. It seems that
> something breaks with the communication between the server and Outlook
> clients (or posssible corrupts the pst files created for each maildir).

I haven't heard of that but most clients I have won't let go of pop3.  When 
imap is used Outlook (and other mail clients) like to make quite a few 
connections to the server, it could be that some connections are getting 
refused.  I've run into this and it's not an obvious problem.

I usually increase MAXPERIP to 10, it's default is 4.  The parameter is found 
in /etc/courier/imapd

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Re: Courier-imap Outlook problem - RE: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-15 Thread Fraser Campbell
On February 12, 2004 11:31 pm, Debian ISP wrote:

> One problem we keep having involves M$ Outlook clients. It seems that
> something breaks with the communication between the server and Outlook
> clients (or posssible corrupts the pst files created for each maildir).

I haven't heard of that but most clients I have won't let go of pop3.  When 
imap is used Outlook (and other mail clients) like to make quite a few 
connections to the server, it could be that some connections are getting 
refused.  I've run into this and it's not an obvious problem.

I usually increase MAXPERIP to 10, it's default is 4.  The parameter is found 
in /etc/courier/imapd

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Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-13 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 07:16:26PM -0600, Jose Alberto Guzman wrote:
> Jonathan Matthews wrote:
[...]
> >I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be 
> >localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.
> >
> >My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4 
> >backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to 
> >point out something important that I've missed.
> >
> >Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each 
> >protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use 
> >as standard?
> >
> >Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening 
> >on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to 
> >this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.
[...]
>  What we run here, is standard uw-imap and popa3d, with stunnel. Works 
> like a charm.

I use postfix+uw-imap+ipopd from "testing" which supports ssl
directly. We then use shorewall firewalling to limit access to the
non-ssl ports. This uses inetd for the pop and imap servers, and mbox
mailboxes. It works fine, and seems to be the "best" set up for mbox
mailboxes.

On another machine I use
postfix+courier-imap-ssl+courier-pop-ssl+procmail. Procmail is used
with a global /etc/procmailrc to make postfix deliver into Maildir
mailboxes. Courier uses a heap of it's own daemons for everything,
which I didn't like, but it seems to work OK. This seems to be the
"best" setup for Maildir (flame suit on), with the possible exception
of using something else instead of procmail for delivery.

The big problem I found with Maildir is everything else seems to
assume mbox (including the "you have mail" notification at the command
line), and it's hard work to find and configure everything for it.

I documented this stuff ages ago on the debian wiki last time I went
through this;

http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?EmailConfiguration

http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?MaildirConfiguration

Feel free to update these as you go :-)

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Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-13 Thread Donovan Baarda
On Thu, Feb 12, 2004 at 07:16:26PM -0600, Jose Alberto Guzman wrote:
> Jonathan Matthews wrote:
[...]
> >I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be 
> >localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.
> >
> >My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4 
> >backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to 
> >point out something important that I've missed.
> >
> >Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each 
> >protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use 
> >as standard?
> >
> >Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening 
> >on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to 
> >this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.
[...]
>  What we run here, is standard uw-imap and popa3d, with stunnel. Works 
> like a charm.

I use postfix+uw-imap+ipopd from "testing" which supports ssl
directly. We then use shorewall firewalling to limit access to the
non-ssl ports. This uses inetd for the pop and imap servers, and mbox
mailboxes. It works fine, and seems to be the "best" set up for mbox
mailboxes.

On another machine I use
postfix+courier-imap-ssl+courier-pop-ssl+procmail. Procmail is used
with a global /etc/procmailrc to make postfix deliver into Maildir
mailboxes. Courier uses a heap of it's own daemons for everything,
which I didn't like, but it seems to work OK. This seems to be the
"best" setup for Maildir (flame suit on), with the possible exception
of using something else instead of procmail for delivery.

The big problem I found with Maildir is everything else seems to
assume mbox (including the "you have mail" notification at the command
line), and it's hard work to find and configure everything for it.

I documented this stuff ages ago on the debian wiki last time I went
through this;

http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?EmailConfiguration

http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?MaildirConfiguration

Feel free to update these as you go :-)

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Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-13 Thread Brian Olivier
Hello,

Have a look at SSLwrap. It enables SSL for the outside world but locally
no encryption is used.

Brian

> [Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and
> -user.]
>
> I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be
> localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.
>
> My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4
> backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to
> point out something important that I've missed.
>
> Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each
> protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use
> as standard?
>
> Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening
>  on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to
> this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.
>
> How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to
> know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the
>  problems that mboxes would create ...
>
> Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!
>
> jc
>
> --
> Have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Fifty-five million Britons can't
> be wrong.  Ooo - jammy dodgers!!
>
>
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Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-13 Thread Brian Olivier
Hello,

Have a look at SSLwrap. It enables SSL for the outside world but locally
no encryption is used.

Brian

> [Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and
> -user.]
>
> I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be
> localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.
>
> My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4
> backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to
> point out something important that I've missed.
>
> Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each
> protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use
> as standard?
>
> Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening
>  on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to
> this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.
>
> How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to
> know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the
>  problems that mboxes would create ...
>
> Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!
>
> jc
>
> --
> Have a nice cup of tea and a biscuit. Fifty-five million Britons can't
> be wrong.  Ooo - jammy dodgers!!
>
>
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Courier-imap Outlook problem - RE: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-12 Thread Debian ISP
We are using courier-imap in the configuration outlined on the marlow.dk
website.

One problem we keep having involves M$ Outlook clients. It seems that
something breaks with the communication between the server and Outlook
clients (or posssible corrupts the pst files created for each maildir).

Has anyone else been faced with this problem? Since we are unable to
convince our clients to move to Debian desktops with KMail or some other OSS
alternative, some workaround for this issue would be greatly appreciated!

Googling has not proven very helpful (only confirmed this as a problem).

Thanks in advance,

Hal

-Original Message-
From: Jose Alberto Guzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:16 PM
To: Jonathan Matthews
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; debian-isp@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl


Jonathan Matthews wrote:
> [Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and
> -user.]
>
> I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be
> localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.
>
> My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4
> backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to
> point out something important that I've missed.
>
> Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each
> protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use
> as standard?
>
> Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening
> on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to
> this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.
>
> How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to
> know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the
> problems that mboxes would create ...
>
> Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!
>
> jc
>


  What we run here, is standard uw-imap and popa3d, with stunnel. Works
like a charm.

  I know courier could handle everything with a single hand and half the
overhead, maybe someday I'll migrate every mbox into maildir and set
that up, but in the mean time, it does a pretty job.


  José

PS
  please reply to debian-isp


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Courier-imap Outlook problem - RE: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-12 Thread Debian ISP
We are using courier-imap in the configuration outlined on the marlow.dk
website.

One problem we keep having involves M$ Outlook clients. It seems that
something breaks with the communication between the server and Outlook
clients (or posssible corrupts the pst files created for each maildir).

Has anyone else been faced with this problem? Since we are unable to
convince our clients to move to Debian desktops with KMail or some other OSS
alternative, some workaround for this issue would be greatly appreciated!

Googling has not proven very helpful (only confirmed this as a problem).

Thanks in advance,

Hal

-Original Message-
From: Jose Alberto Guzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 8:16 PM
To: Jonathan Matthews
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl


Jonathan Matthews wrote:
> [Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and
> -user.]
>
> I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be
> localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.
>
> My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4
> backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to
> point out something important that I've missed.
>
> Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each
> protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use
> as standard?
>
> Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening
> on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to
> this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.
>
> How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to
> know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the
> problems that mboxes would create ...
>
> Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!
>
> jc
>


  What we run here, is standard uw-imap and popa3d, with stunnel. Works
like a charm.

  I know courier could handle everything with a single hand and half the
overhead, maybe someday I'll migrate every mbox into maildir and set
that up, but in the mean time, it does a pretty job.


  José

PS
  please reply to debian-isp


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Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-12 Thread Jose Alberto Guzman
Jonathan Matthews wrote:
[Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and 
-user.]

I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be 
localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.

My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4 
backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to 
point out something important that I've missed.

Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each 
protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use 
as standard?

Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening 
on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to 
this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.

How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to 
know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the 
problems that mboxes would create ...

Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!
jc

 What we run here, is standard uw-imap and popa3d, with stunnel. Works 
like a charm.

 I know courier could handle everything with a single hand and half the 
overhead, maybe someday I'll migrate every mbox into maildir and set 
that up, but in the mean time, it does a pretty job.

 José
PS
 please reply to debian-isp



Re: Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-12 Thread Jose Alberto Guzman
Jonathan Matthews wrote:
[Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and 
-user.]

I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be 
localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.

My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4 
backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to 
point out something important that I've missed.

Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each 
protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use 
as standard?

Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening 
on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to 
this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.

How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to 
know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the 
problems that mboxes would create ...

Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!

jc



 What we run here, is standard uw-imap and popa3d, with stunnel. Works 
like a charm.

 I know courier could handle everything with a single hand and half the 
overhead, maybe someday I'll migrate every mbox into maildir and set 
that up, but in the mean time, it does a pretty job.

 José

PS
 please reply to debian-isp
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Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-12 Thread Jonathan Matthews
[Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and 
-user.]

I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be 
localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.

My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4 
backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to 
point out something important that I've missed.

Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each 
protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use 
as standard?

Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening 
on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to 
this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.

How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to 
know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the 
problems that mboxes would create ...

Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!

jc

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Imap && imap-ssl && pop3-ssl

2004-02-12 Thread Jonathan Matthews
[Sorry for the cross-post - I think it's applicable to both -isp and 
-user.]

I need to offer imap, imapssl and pop3ssl services. FWIW, imap would be 
localhost only, but -ssl services would be publically accessible.

My reading thus far leads me towards Courier-imap with Exim 4 
backported to stable so I can interface with ClamAV, but feel free to 
point out something important that I've missed.

Do I need to have a different instance of the server running for each 
protocol?  i.e. one listening on each port that the three services use 
as standard?

Is there a server that would do the job with just one instance listening 
on all three ports?  Would there be any advantages or disadvantages to 
this?  I'm thinking locking/concurrency/that-sorta-thing.

How do you deal with this situation?  Are there any gotchas I need to 
know about?  I'm guessing that using Maildirs will alleviate many of the 
problems that mboxes would create ...

Any pointers/suggestions/cluebats appreciated!

jc

-- 
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