Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 04:21, Markus Kolb wrote: [...] configuration problem they will tell you first: Install a supported OS and look if it will do the job. That's all. If you want and need the expensive, paid support you should better do what they say. So setup the machine as dual-boot and have a RH partition on there. ;o) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Russell Coker wrote: On Wed, 28 May 2003 04:21, Markus Kolb wrote: [...] configuration problem they will tell you first: Install a supported OS and look if it will do the job. That's all. If you want and need the expensive, paid support you should better do what they say. So setup the machine as dual-boot and have a RH partition on there. ;o)
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
On Wed, 28 May 2003 04:21, Markus Kolb wrote: > The problem with support is not that there might be difficulties in > installing a piece of software on the hardware. > But if there are problems with hardware and it could be a software or > configuration problem they will tell you first: Install a supported OS > and look if it will do the job. That's all. If you want and need the > expensive, paid support you should better do what they say. So setup the machine as dual-boot and have a RH partition on there. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
On Wed, 28 May 2003 04:21, Markus Kolb wrote: > The problem with support is not that there might be difficulties in > installing a piece of software on the hardware. > But if there are problems with hardware and it could be a software or > configuration problem they will tell you first: Install a supported OS > and look if it will do the job. That's all. If you want and need the > expensive, paid support you should better do what they say. So setup the machine as dual-boot and have a RH partition on there. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
You should know that HP is debian friendly (they still wont offer support though), but they do work with debian internally and informally test. I use DELL big baddass servers and smaller (hwIDE-RAID Barracuda arrays) in HP and ive never had a problem at all... Ask the ones who want you to install redhat if they are also fine with paying the redhat service and support fees (you wont get far without it) and with major upgrades every year. Also suggest them to administer the servers themselves if they wish to have a take on the decition. All in all, be certain of what you are doing. If you know redhat better then its probably a better choice, if you know debian better (or the same as redhat) and you know why it would save time/money, then by all means use debian. El mar, 27 de 05 de 2003 a las 07:10, Tomàs Núñez Lirola escribió: > Hi > I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking > several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and > Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used > neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy > with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he > says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. > Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the > installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". > > In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian > on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. > > I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. > As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know > so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the > difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to > install Red Hat. > > Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and > Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of > this machine (or similar) and Debian? > > Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? > > Thanks all >
RE: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Compaq do not support Debian, what binaries Compaq have released are rpms. Indeed for the older kit the only rpms are for 6.2 and have not been updated, so thier support is shocking, Dell seem better. I dont have problems running Debian on Compaq hardware raid (3200s) and while the machine should boot and run fine you probably wont have access to the raid stuff except by rebooting and going into the bios, ie off line. I have complained to Compaq about this but have not got far. Considering HP are supposed to use Debian as the internal Linux its annoying to say the least. Another option is to look at Dell and see if you get more interest, often the Dell stuff is less "proprietry" and there are open source tools you can pull off source forge that will work with Dell kit even if Dell wont support it, the other possibility is IBM. If Compaq whine, tell them to get thier act together or you will shop elsewhere, if they start losing contracts they may sit up and take notice and at least release binaries if not debs. I can check to see if I have a G3 here and do a test Debian install if that helps. I know I have G2's, but we've swapped to Dell's and IBM's now so wont be getting any more compaqs so a G3 may not be lying about to play with. regards Thing -Original Message- From: Tomàs Núñez Lirola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:32 AM To: debian-isp@lists.debian.org Subject: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3 Hi I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to install Red Hat. Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of this machine (or similar) and Debian? Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? Thanks all -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
You should know that HP is debian friendly (they still wont offer support though), but they do work with debian internally and informally test. I use DELL big baddass servers and smaller (hwIDE-RAID Barracuda arrays) in HP and ive never had a problem at all... Ask the ones who want you to install redhat if they are also fine with paying the redhat service and support fees (you wont get far without it) and with major upgrades every year. Also suggest them to administer the servers themselves if they wish to have a take on the decition. All in all, be certain of what you are doing. If you know redhat better then its probably a better choice, if you know debian better (or the same as redhat) and you know why it would save time/money, then by all means use debian. El mar, 27 de 05 de 2003 a las 07:10, Tomàs Núñez Lirola escribió: > Hi > I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking > several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and > Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used > neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy > with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he > says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. > Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the > installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". > > In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian > on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. > > I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. > As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know > so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the > difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to > install Red Hat. > > Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and > Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of > this machine (or similar) and Debian? > > Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? > > Thanks all > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Compaq do not support Debian, what binaries Compaq have released are rpms. Indeed for the older kit the only rpms are for 6.2 and have not been updated, so thier support is shocking, Dell seem better. I dont have problems running Debian on Compaq hardware raid (3200s) and while the machine should boot and run fine you probably wont have access to the raid stuff except by rebooting and going into the bios, ie off line. I have complained to Compaq about this but have not got far. Considering HP are supposed to use Debian as the internal Linux its annoying to say the least. Another option is to look at Dell and see if you get more interest, often the Dell stuff is less "proprietry" and there are open source tools you can pull off source forge that will work with Dell kit even if Dell wont support it, the other possibility is IBM. If Compaq whine, tell them to get thier act together or you will shop elsewhere, if they start losing contracts they may sit up and take notice and at least release binaries if not debs. I can check to see if I have a G3 here and do a test Debian install if that helps. I know I have G2's, but we've swapped to Dell's and IBM's now so wont be getting any more compaqs so a G3 may not be lying about to play with. regards Thing -Original Message- From: Tomàs Núñez Lirola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2003 12:32 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3 Hi I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to install Red Hat. Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of this machine (or similar) and Debian? Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? Thanks all -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Tomàs Núñez Lirola wrote: Hi I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. The problem with support is not that there might be difficulties in installing a piece of software on the hardware. But if there are problems with hardware and it could be a software or configuration problem they will tell you first: Install a supported OS and look if it will do the job. That's all. If you want and need the expensive, paid support you should better do what they say.
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Tomàs Núñez Lirola wrote: Hi I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. The problem with support is not that there might be difficulties in installing a piece of software on the hardware. But if there are problems with hardware and it could be a software or configuration problem they will tell you first: Install a supported OS and look if it will do the job. That's all. If you want and need the expensive, paid support you should better do what they say. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Hi, I'm hostmaster for a provider in Swizerland (CH - ~2 customers), and a use debian 3.0/kernel 2.4.18 or 2.4.21 on Proliant DL380 ByPIII800Mhz with RAID controler cpqarray SMART2 (Driver v. 2.4.5). No problem for install, on the install boot kernel -> choise expert mode -> and select the kernel "fs2.4". I use ~10 of other Proliant 1800, DL370 / Compaq servers and I don't have problem with RAID. Debian for a Internet server in the best... my chose or Red-Hat for compatibility and support. Yes... using Debian...is more simple for the system/security maintenance. Sorry for my english... Mat >>> Tomasz Papszun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/27/03 04:02pm >>> On Tue, 27 May 2003 at 14:10:22 +0200, Tom?s Nú?ez Lirola wrote: > Hi > I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking > several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Quite a frequent disclaimer... > Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used > neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy > with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he > says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. > Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the > installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". Sure, they must say such things because officially they don't support Debian. > In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian > on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. > > I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. > As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know > so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the > difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to > install Red Hat. Don't listen to them :-) . > Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and > Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of > this machine (or similar) and Debian? > > Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? Yes! :-) . First of all, request the detailed list of hardware from salesman (especially the type of RAID array controller). Then you will be able to look in the Net whether it's possible to install Debian on it. The most probable answer is "yes". Even some time ago I managed to install Debian on a server which wasn't officially supporting Debian (a different Proliant: ML570). Indeed, the main problem was a RAID array controller. But in newer kernels it's easier, as far as I know. I don't know what RAID controller DL360G3 has got so you must get this information from the salesman. On other hardware: that's possible that some additional features will not be usable with Debian (some remote management cards etc., which require additional software in Redhat's RPMs). I don't know if DL360G3 has got something like that. But that's a minor inconvenience in my opinion. So, now when the decision for buying these Proliants DL360G3 has been made, you've got nothing to lose anyway. In the worst case you can always revert to Redhat, so why not try Debian?... :-) . And I think that installing Debian on them is possible. First get the details about RAID controller, as I've just written. Good luck! -- Tomasz Papszun SysAdm @ TP S.A. Lodz, Poland | And it's only [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lodz.tpsa.pl/ | ones and zeros. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
On Tue, May 27, 2003 at 02:10:22PM +0200, Tom?s N??ez Lirola wrote: > Hi > I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking > several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and > Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used > neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy > with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he > says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. > Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the > installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". > > In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian > on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. > > I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. > As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know > so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the > difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to > install Red Hat. > > Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and > Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of > this machine (or similar) and Debian? I run Debian/unstable on a DL 360G3 machine. First I ran the Compaq Linux-setup diskette to setup server for Linux-usage. Installation was quite boring (the diskette way). I added a 3c905 nic to the server cause the internal gig-nics driver was in a separate package. Raid-controller driver is included in the bf install-disks. optional, After base-installation was finished i installed the RPM package and extract the Compaq Proliant supportfiles (snmp, fan control, raid-watchdog etc) to some directory and install the binaries by hand. Some work with libraries and stuff was also done to get everything working. Server's been up for 186 days now and is stable as a rock. It runs a quite large qmail-farm. > Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? I think you should run the dist you're happy with. -- __ Yours sincerely, Christofer Algotsson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
On Tue, 27 May 2003 at 14:10:22 +0200, Tom?s Nú?ez Lirola wrote: > Hi > I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking > several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Quite a frequent disclaimer... > Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used > neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy > with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he > says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. > Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the > installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". Sure, they must say such things because officially they don't support Debian. > In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian > on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. > > I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. > As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know > so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the > difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to > install Red Hat. Don't listen to them :-) . > Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and > Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of > this machine (or similar) and Debian? > > Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? Yes! :-) . First of all, request the detailed list of hardware from salesman (especially the type of RAID array controller). Then you will be able to look in the Net whether it's possible to install Debian on it. The most probable answer is "yes". Even some time ago I managed to install Debian on a server which wasn't officially supporting Debian (a different Proliant: ML570). Indeed, the main problem was a RAID array controller. But in newer kernels it's easier, as far as I know. I don't know what RAID controller DL360G3 has got so you must get this information from the salesman. On other hardware: that's possible that some additional features will not be usable with Debian (some remote management cards etc., which require additional software in Redhat's RPMs). I don't know if DL360G3 has got something like that. But that's a minor inconvenience in my opinion. So, now when the decision for buying these Proliants DL360G3 has been made, you've got nothing to lose anyway. In the worst case you can always revert to Redhat, so why not try Debian?... :-) . And I think that installing Debian on them is possible. First get the details about RAID controller, as I've just written. Good luck! -- Tomasz Papszun SysAdm @ TP S.A. Lodz, Poland | And it's only [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lodz.tpsa.pl/ | ones and zeros.
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
On Tue, 27 May 2003 22:10, Tomàs Núñez Lirola wrote: > Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) > and Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the > compatibility of this machine (or similar) and Debian? > > Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? If the hardware is really bad then a worst-case scanerio is to use a Red Hat kernel when running Debian. A kernel is a kernel and with a bit of tweaking they'll all work. I've had Debian running on Compaq servers, never had a problem with it. I suggest sticking with Debian, and also considering other options for server vendors. Dell doesn't give any attitude about which distribution to use, and I think that their servers are probably better than Compaq anyway. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
We have a Compaq Proliant DL320 (PIII @ 1266MHz) running Debian Woody and amanda acting as a backup server, and it runs pretty well. I didn't managed with the Compaq's Agents since I don't need much hardware diagnostics, but however I'd prefer using lm_sensor instead of the provided SuSE/RedHat rpms. Maybe they can be alien(1)ized to deb. On the DL320 there are no RAID controllers, so I can't help more. Good luck :) -- Samuele Catusian http://studenti.ing.unipi.it/~s244797/ -o) ,''`. /\ : :' : _\_V `. `' Debian GNU/Linux: when you have to do other`- important things than fixing a system.
Migrating to a Compaq Proliant DL360G3
Hi I must migrate my servers to Compaq Proliant DL360G3 machines. We're looking several IDCs, and all of them say "Only support for RedHat, SuSE and Caldera". I want to use Debian (I don't like very much SuSE, I've not used neither Red Hat nor Caldera, and it's hard to change distro when you're happy with the one you have), but when I comment this point to the salesman, he says a lot of "It's difficult" "It's not supported" and things like that. Even I've found on a budget "We don't take any responsibility on the installation, functionality or support in case you decide to install Debian". In this situation, my boss is evaluating the convenience of installing Debian on the servers, and he says he likes Red Hat. I've looked at Compaq website and I have not found any reference to Debian. As there are RAID controllers and specific server hardware that I don't know so far (I've never used hardware RAID at home ;P), I'm afraid of the difficulty I can find installing Debian in spite of everybody telling me to install Red Hat. Anyway... Does anybody have any experience with this machine (or similar) and Debian? Is there any website where I can take a look on the compatibility of this machine (or similar) and Debian? Do you recommend me to be stubborn and install Debian anyway? Thanks all
