Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Thursday, August 1, 2002, at 04:23 PM, Marcin Sochacki wrote: IMO, exim and postfix are comparable and there's no huge difference which favours one of them. I use exim in all my installations, they are usually small to medium size, but even with big ones, I would consider exim as a good MTA. A large ISP in europe whom I used to work for uses Exim to relay mail for over 2 million customers. Its a fast MTA, usable in large to huge installations. I would consider Exim to be an excellent MTA. This nicest thing about Exim is that you don't have to frig around with the binary to get it to do nice things like LDAP. It just works out of the box, and scales up to millions of users without fuss. Just learn how to use the exim configuration file :) Unlike, say, qmail where you have to patch the source. (Not that qmail isn't good - it is excellent.) Nathan. -- Projecting what I want is always hard to know But when it comes between my sights I'll let the damage show I'd like to meet a space man, who's got it going on Sailing through the stars at night 'til our world is gone
Re[2]: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Just wanted to opt for www.courier-mnta.org It is a great mail solution for *everything*! Wonder why nobody seems to know this. BTW: New package of courier is in sid! Have a nice day, Jones
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:55:58AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote: > exim is basically smail done right. > > it's adequate for a small site with low mail volumes, but it doesn't > scale very well. Have you got some real experimental data about exim's scalability or just guessing? > IMO, exim is a poor choice of default MTA by debian. unfortunately, > that choice was made before postfix was a viable alternative. there > have been a few attempts to get the default MTA changed, it gets > discussed for a few days or weeks, most people agree that it would be > a good thing to do, but nothing happens. IMO, exim and postfix are comparable and there's no huge difference which favours one of them. I use exim in all my installations, they are usually small to medium size, but even with big ones, I would consider exim as a good MTA. Marcin -- Windows 2000: A reliable comprehensive and integrated operating system platform delivering seamless interoperability, scalability, and performance, and broad application support. Open Source: No f*ing buzzwords.
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:49:31PM +0100, Shri Shrikumar wrote: > On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 03:35, Craig Sanders wrote: > > alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does > > and more, with a lot less hassle. > > What about exim ? It is installed as standard by debian. exim is basically smail done right. it's adequate for a small site with low mail volumes, but it doesn't scale very well. IMO, exim is a poor choice of default MTA by debian. unfortunately, that choice was made before postfix was a viable alternative. there have been a few attempts to get the default MTA changed, it gets discussed for a few days or weeks, most people agree that it would be a good thing to do, but nothing happens. personally, i don't care any more about the default. i've got more important things to do than waste time worrying about it. i just run "apt-get install postfix" whenever i build a machine. > I use exim. Is it worth switching ? IMO, it isbut if you're happy with exim and it does everything you need, then stick with it. craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 03:49:35PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > Thanks to all for an interesting and informative discussion > (so far). It has not degenerated into flamewars; I think > proponents of qmail and postfix have stated their cases well > without descending into wars over The One True Way. I've posted some stuff on this before; http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/199/2001/12/0/7435418/ http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=333&cid=2680 These are in pretty extensive threads on the issue. -- -- ABO: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info, including pgp key --
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Thanks to all for an interesting and informative discussion (so far). It has not degenerated into flamewars; I think proponents of qmail and postfix have stated their cases well without descending into wars over The One True Way. Angus - Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-520-290-5038 / fax 1-208-248-3124 -
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Hello! On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 01:48:57PM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: ... > What are your problems with qmail? What do you like about the > Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Not trolling for flamewars ... My personal experiences: Sendmail - cryptic macro language Exim - delightfull relieve from it Qmail - I learned finally what Email is, because I did not have to focus on implementation quirks and complexity. Qmail is lightweight and secure and until now has scaled to *any* machine I installed it. From 486 "home"-computers with dialup links to big mailservers. I use it now on all machines I manage, to simplify the configuration tasks. My recomendation, Gerrit Pape's unofficial binary packages: www.smarden.org/pape You can also download unix-ised versions of the documentation in .deb form there. > XX> A recurring comment in the mailing list moderators mailing > > list is that djb ignores a number of standards. Which > > aren't specified. > > Anyone here have any insight into what djb's failure-to-hew- > to-standards might be? Same thing as with Qmail. Learned it in one day (had never managed a DNS before), installed it and since then it works. My neighbourhood DNS's, (subdomains, secondaries) use Bind and it's pure trouble to maintain. There is a lot of information about djb supposedly to be non compliant, and what's the answers. Look at "www.djbdns.org" first, and then look at the "faqts" and Jonathan de Boyne Pollard's Frequently Given Answers. About License: Both programs are free to download and use. The redistribution in binary form is limited. In case of Qmail restricted to obey certain installation criteria. You can however do anything on your network with the software what you want. The programms are very small and compile in just no time. I spend less time in patching and recompiling Qmail then in installing other debian packages, and it can be done almost completly without shutting down the services. About having to DJB-anize the computer: DJB's programs have their own infrustructure, which is very clean and logical. It does not waste lot's of space and costs you only thre new top-level subdirectories: "service", "command" and "package", with which, by the way you have almost nothing to do anyway. I doubt that somebody can't bare with this today. --- Now about the initial question: Qmail supports virtual hosting natively. Qmail supports Maildir delivery natively. User managment goes via /etc/passwd or via .cdb databases LDAP user databases is a patch which can be found via www.qmail.org POP3 servers for Maildir databases are standard, as are IMAP (Courier). I have used both of them without problems. For mailing lists I use Mailman, although I do not have lots of users or traffic. Best Regards, Jorge-León
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 03:35, Craig Sanders wrote: > alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does and > more, with a lot less hassle. What about exim ? It is installed as standard by debian. I use exim. Is it worth switching ? Shri -- Shri Shrikumar U R Byte Solutions I.T. Consultant26/3 Annandale Street Tel: (0131) 558 9990 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Edinburgh EH7 4AN Web: www.urbyte.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
> "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] me> Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the me> inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation me> and M4 doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. EvB> Which bet being safe? That it can eventually do what you EvB> want, given enough time and attention? Probably. [...] Hmm, it takes the insertion of a couple of lines and the creation of the map file (which you would have to anyway) to get virtual mail forwarding in sendmail. Covered in detail in the FAQ. It really isn't that hard. You don't even invoke M4 manually -- just run make or sendmailconfig under Debian to update everything. me> In my most humble opinion one ought not be running an ISP of me> any viable size if one has trouble getting sendmail to do me> what's needed. EvB> Ah, the old initiation-by-sendmail.cf idea. Well. I'd say EvB> that an administrator who has been through it probably has EvB> some stamina, and is able to grasp a certain level of EvB> complexity, but other than that, I wouldn't consider "willing EvB> and able to set up sendmail" a good criterium for knowing how EvB> to run an ISP. Oh that is not what I said. All I said was "if unable to get sendmail to do what's needed then probably unfit for the job" NOT "fit for the job if willing and able to deal with sendmail" I _agree_ with that last part of your paragraph, but it is not what I said! EvB> Grasping BGP, *SMTP*, DNS, HTTP, Unix and EvB> having some rudimentary knowledge about programming computers EvB> in general seem so much more important. [...] Yup, for the original question (virtual web + mail), I'd start by DNS, then http, SMTP in that order. cheers, BM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Hi, On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:10:42PM -0400, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > [This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well] Yes, but it's fun once in a while, isn't it ;-) > > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > EvB> In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only > EvB> does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for > EvB> its amount of bugs and lack of security as well. > > What you say aboout sendmail was true in the late 80's to mid-90s. Its > recent track record is much better. Do you know of any recent > vulnerabilities other than the monor ones mentioned at > http://www.sendmail.org/ ? No, but I argue that even though a lot of its problems may have been because of simple programming bugs, it has a design that's hard to get secure anyway. Doing *everything* by employing a /macro/ language (the .cf, I'm not talking about M4 here) to rewrite addresses, which may occasionally also be interpreted as files or programs is asking for trouble IMHO. As you say, it has taken a *lot* of time to bolt enough checks on it to make it at least reasonably secure. > Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the > inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation and M4 > doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. Which bet being safe? That it can eventually do what you want, given enough time and attention? Probably. But that goes for most MTAs, and sendmail probably doesn't even score best as far as the time required to achieve a particular level of functionality goes. Really, other than its flexibility in *really* weird cases, I can see nothing that makes me even consider it above qmail. If qmail can't do what's needed for whatever reason, I'd look at Postfix first, and then perhaps at Exim, and then I'd think really hard if it's not a stupid idea I'm trying to do anyway, and *then* I'd see if Sendmail can do it. > In my most humble opinion one ought not be running an ISP of any > viable size if one has trouble getting sendmail to do what's needed. Ah, the old initiation-by-sendmail.cf idea. Well. I'd say that an administrator who has been through it probably has some stamina, and is able to grasp a certain level of complexity, but other than that, I wouldn't consider "willing and able to set up sendmail" a good criterium for knowing how to run an ISP. Grasping BGP, *SMTP*, DNS, HTTP, Unix and having some rudimentary knowledge about programming computers in general seem so much more important. If you do, you'll also have less trouble evaluating software on criteria other than "it's the standard", and "X says it works fine for him"... If those were the ones that matter most, we'd not be talking in a Debian forum but in windows-isps.msn.com. Cheers, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 05:16:33PM -0400, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > Qmail by default wants to operate by DJB's rules and it tries to > DJB-ize the remainder of your system. This much I know and dislike. that's the major problem with qmail (indeed with all of djb's software). he is a good programmer, but he has some very peculiar notions about systems administration (programmers and sysadmins are completely different beasts). worse, his software basically forces you to adopt his peculiar notions, because (to summarise and paraphrase djb's atttitude) "dbj's way is the One True Way that everyone MUST follow otherwise they are morons and idiots" the second major problem with qmail is the license. the fact that it's not a free license sucks for ethical reasons, but it also sucks badly for practical reasons. qmail has basically stagnated for years. if you want a modern, secure mailer with good anti-spam capabilities that adheres to all relevant actual standards & de-facto standards (not just those that djb hapens to like) you have to hear about, hunt for, and download a squillion patches and enhancements, apply, and compile, and hope that it all works. i.e. it's a reversion back to the bad old days (i.e. pre-linux) where free software was available for the various commercial unix clones but getting it running could sometimes be a huge PITA. alternatively, just run postfix. it does everything that qmail does and more, with a lot less hassle. craig ps: i used to use qmail. i used to use sendmail too. and smail before that. in fact, i've used pretty nearly every open source MTA available over the years, with several years of experience each with most of them (and dabbling/experimentation with the rest). keeping the mail running smoothly is and always has been a big part of my jobprobably always will be too. the only MTA i'll use these days is postfix. none of the others even begin to compare with it. -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 03:35:14PM -0700, Jeremy C. Reed wrote: > > will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for > > virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. > > DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? > > Not needed. You can sometimes use sed. (I say sometimes because sometimes > it works with the binary suexec.) Or I have used perl like: > > perl -pe 's/\/var\/www/\/\0\0\0\0\0\0\0/' suexec.save > suexec there's a simpler way: ln -s /var/www /www-data or ln -s /www-data /var/www craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
> will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for > virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. > DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? Not needed. You can sometimes use sed. (I say sometimes because sometimes it works with the binary suexec.) Or I have used perl like: perl -pe 's/\/var\/www/\/\0\0\0\0\0\0\0/' suexec.save > suexec Then chmod as appropriate. (I filed a bug about this suexec default.) Jeremy C. Reed echo 'G014AE824B0-07CC?/JJFFFI?D64CB>D=3C427=>;>6HI2>
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
> "ASF" == Angus Scott-Fleming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] ASF> What are your problems with qmail? I know it works reasonably well but I have not used it personally myself for any amount of time and certainly not professionally. I did end up troubleshooting it at one point because it was bouncing mail in a rather unusual circumstance and was causing me embarrassment (I had recommended the guys running qmail). I tried reporting it as a bug, and asking their qmail consultant -- the answers were the same "qmail kicks ass." Since I am negatively biased about it, and I have limited experience I will refrain from giving advice. (I may have a bug report somewhere, google if you wish). ASF> What do you like about ASF> the Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Qmail by default wants to operate by DJB's rules and it tries to DJB-ize the remainder of your system. This much I know and dislike. I am not alone on this, a bit of googling should reveal lots of links. If I were to switch from sendmail it would be if I ran into a problem with performance -- I have not. In that case postfix looks good based on word of mouth from people I consider credible. At one point qmail's author had a rather disingenuous security nitpick about postfix, other than that it does not have a track record of glaring problems. [...] >> I recommend anyone contemplating about sendmail for serious use >> to hang out in comp.mail.sendmail for a while to see if they >> fit into the profile that group is supportive of. ASF> Sounds like you also have issues with the sendmail community? ASF> Or is it just that sendmail still has holes? Oh _I_ have no problem with the group. I occasionally contribute even. I do know that that group regularly gets complaints from people who don't feel they are helped on reasonable questions (more so than other groups I read), so I _suspect_ support through that community is problemmatic for some people. cheers, BM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
On 29 Jul 2002 at 15:10, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote:
> [This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well]
IMHO as a newbie this is just the kind of exchange I was
hoping for (trolling for?) ;-)
> > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [...]
> EvB> In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only
> EvB> does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for
> EvB> its amount of bugs and lack of security as well.
>
> What you say aboout sendmail was true in the late 80's to mid-90s. Its
> recent track record is much better. Do you know of any recent
> vulnerabilities other than the monor ones mentioned at
> http://www.sendmail.org/ ?
I see that the default MTA for OpenBSD is the OpenBSD port of
sendmail. That should reflect positively on its security,
although only in the OBSD flavour (OBSD still installs BIND 4
as the team considers 8 and 9 to be {broken,insecure}.
> Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the
> inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation and M4
> doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. In my most humble opinion
> one ought not be running an ISP of any viable size if one has trouble
> getting sendmail to do what's needed.
Should anyone who won't RTFM (where F==FULL) be running an
ISP?
> I will refrain from commenting on Qmail, other than saying that it
> does work. But if I were to learn a new MTA, I'd take a good look at
> postfix for the main reason that I like the postfix community much
> better that the Qmail community.
What are your problems with qmail? What do you like about the
Postfix comm. that QMail lacks? Not trolling for flamewars
here, trying to decide myself which way to jump (where to
start out -- I'll switch if I have to but I'd rather start
with a program that comes with recommendations that have been
{justified,explained} from >1 user. Which is why I was
{trolling,hoping} for comments on MTAs, MLMs, etc.
> I recommend anyone contemplating about sendmail for serious use to hang
> out in comp.mail.sendmail for a while to see if they fit into the
> profile that group is supportive of.
Sounds like you also have issues with the sendmail community?
Or is it just that sendmail still has holes?
> EvB> It may still be the standard MTA in certain commercial
> EvB> unixes, but IMHO the advantages offered by that (whatever
> EvB> they may be) won't outweigh the drawbacks for most people. [...]
>
> Have you used both? (by which I mean did you get both to work for you
> for a reasonable amount of time?).
I'd like to know this as well... BTW, a sysadmin (from another
[non-Debian] list) I trust says
XX> A recurring comment in the mailing list moderators mailing
> list is that djb ignores a number of standards. Which
> aren't specified.
Anyone here have any insight into what djb's failure-to-hew-
to-standards might be?
He also said:
XX> but so far Postfix has been very, very good to me.
He's running FreeBSD, FWIW.
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Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
[This is exactly the kind of exchange I was trying to avoid, oh well] > "EvB" == Emile van Bergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [...] EvB> In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only EvB> does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for EvB> its amount of bugs and lack of security as well. What you say aboout sendmail was true in the late 80's to mid-90s. Its recent track record is much better. Do you know of any recent vulnerabilities other than the monor ones mentioned at http://www.sendmail.org/ ? Sendmail is _very_ flexible but it is probably not good for the inexperienced admin. If you are willing to read documentation and M4 doesn't scare you, it is a fairly safe bet. In my most humble opinion one ought not be running an ISP of any viable size if one has trouble getting sendmail to do what's needed. I will refrain from commenting on Qmail, other than saying that it does work. But if I were to learn a new MTA, I'd take a good look at postfix for the main reason that I like the postfix community much better that the Qmail community. I recommend anyone contemplating about sendmail for serious use to hang out in comp.mail.sendmail for a while to see if they fit into the profile that group is supportive of. EvB> It may still be the standard MTA in certain commercial EvB> unixes, but IMHO the advantages offered by that (whatever EvB> they may be) won't outweigh the drawbacks for most people. [...] Have you used both? (by which I mean did you get both to work for you for a reasonable amount of time?). cheers, BM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Hi, On Mon, Jul 29, 2002 at 09:55:20AM -0700, Angus Scott-Fleming wrote: > any comments on qmail or procmail vs sendmail welcome. I've > heard Bad Things about sendmail's complexity but it _is_ the > standard ... what do you use for MLM? mailman? Let's compare apples with apples here ;-) Qmail, postfix, exim and sendmail are Mail Transfer Agents, or MTAs. These receive messages from the system or the network, and route them to local or remote destinations. For remote destinations, SMTP is used most of the time; for local destinations it can deliver to an mbox file or Maildir, or it can invoke a separate mail delivery agent. Procmail is such a Mail Delivery Agent or MDA. An MDA specialises exclusively in local delivery to various (types of) files, based on various criteria. In principle it receives messages only from an MTA, not from the network or other local programs. Mailman is a mailing list manager. To run a mailing list, you also need a suitable MTA to receive list messages from the network and to send them to subscribed members. In short, you can only compare qmail and sendmail. Not only does the latter have a bad reputation for complexity, but for its amount of bugs and lack of security as well. It may still be the standard MTA in certain commercial unixes, but IMHO the advantages offered by that (whatever they may be) won't outweigh the drawbacks for most people. I personally love qmail for its elegance and security track record. It's not hard to set up, and quite modular and versatile. You may or may not be bothered by its (lack of) license, I don't know. I like mailman as well. I've personally only used it for small lists so far, but it seems to be successfully used for much bigger ones (this list for example). HTH, Emile. -- E-Advies / Emile van Bergen | [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel. +31 (0)70 3906153| http://www.e-advies.info -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Did you mean to reply off-list? Please, let's take this back to the list. On 29 Jul 2002 at 12:35, Bulent Murtezaoglu wrote: > > Hi, I occasionally train people on this and the advice that will work > for you depends on what exactly you are after and how you like to > learn. If you enjoy reading as much as playing around the best advice > I can give you is the following: > > -- Understand how DNS works. This is crucial for understanding most > of the 'virtual' stuff that goes on. Easy to do as there's a good > book (DNS and BIND by Albitz and Liu) but a disturbing number of > people demonstrate a lack of clue in this regard (I won't name > companies here). [grin] ... have the book, haven't perused it in detail. > -- Once armed with the above, you need a basic understanding of SMTP, > ftp, and http. Then pick the packages for each, and learn to make > them do what you want. I use sendmail, proftpd and apache > respectively. any comments on qmail or procmail vs sendmail welcome. I've heard Bad Things about sendmail's complexity but it _is_ the standard ... what do you use for MLM? mailman? > If you know all this, you can just skip the pre-packaged installs and > do an apt-get install sendmail proftpd apache (and possibly bind) and > you'll be on your way. will I need sourcecode for apache to set up suEXEC options for virtual hosting in my own choice of directory tree (i.e. DocRoot in /www-data instead of the default /var/www)? > There will be other equally valid answers that recommend some easy > plug and chug solution, but if you follow the above advice you'll > actually _start_ from the point where you understand what you are > doing. Thanks. - Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-520-290-5038 / fax 1-208-248-3124 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newbie: Is there a basic Debian-for-ISP HOWTO?
Newbie alert! Feel free to point me to the list archives if you can tell me how to find what I'm looking for. I've found the "Pocket ISP" setup for Redhat document, is there something similar for Debian available? I searched the list archives for things like "first time", "initial setup", and the like, and couldn't find one. I'm a very experienced Windows computer user (had a computer login of some sort since 1974 and owned MS Boxes of various flavours since 1984), consider myself a relative newbie with Debian & Linux (although I've been using Debian for years and have set up a few Debian and OpenBSD boxes), and need to set up my own virtualhost with virtualmail. I've been co-managing a Debian box with virtual hosting for a number of years but want to get my own set up as my co-managers have made a bunch of changes and not told me about them (which has made my life much more difficult than it needs to be ;-). I'd really like to find a HOWTO for this. The ftp install let me tell it I wanted to set up an Internet server, but after all the setup, it isn't set up for shared virtual hosting the way I need - Angus Scott-Fleming GeoApps, Tucson, Arizona [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1-520-290-5038 / fax 1-208-248-3124 - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
