Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s)

[Robert Davies]

> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:47:54 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer writes:
> >On Friday 17 November 2000, at 9 h 25, the keyboard of Debian Ghost
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I was wondering if there were any debian tools used for working with
Cisco
> >> routers and/or other Cisco gear.
> >
> >Everything is in Debian packages:
> >
> >m4 (to create configuration files)
> >mrtg (to get stats from the boxes)
> >mon (to monitor the boxes)
> >telnet (just in case)
>
> and, of course, there´s rtrmon , though
> afaik not yet debian´ized, it does a great job if you have to cope with
> large numbers of routers (especially criscos).

And add expect(1) to that list!!


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Re: OT: working with cisco gear (Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s))

[Robert Davies]

> On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Robert Waldner wrote:
> > On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:18:31 +0100, Dariush Pietrzak writes:
> > >> which are useful unless you have to manage lots of those boxes,
> >
> > >I wouldn't know.
> > >but isn't that what OpenView is for? and is unbeatable in that field?
> >
> > I consider BrokenView to be in the field of BigBuckMoneyBurn-ware ...
>
> Indeed.  I've yet to meet anyone that has used it and -liked- it.
>
> The most common reason to run OV is "we installed some vendor hardware
> and they only let us manage it with OV".

This now explains to me why the networking team at my old company, having
had the UNIX, TCP/IP admin side install openview for them at vast expense.
Then still relied on us to troubleshoot whenever there were problems

We used e ping, traceroute, tcpdump etc


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Re: OT: working with cisco gear (Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s))

[John Kramer]

> > which are useful unless you have to manage lots of those boxes, 
> I wouldn't know.
> but isn't that what OpenView is for? and is unbeatable in that field?
> 

Openview doesn't manage those boxes specifically.  It's an expensive
SNMP-mib
collector/network-discovery-agent/oh-crap-this-node-went-down-page-someone
-agent.  If you're wanting GUI management of Cisco boxes, look at Cisco
Works.  The best platform you can get for it is Solaris (which is nothing
to sneeze at.)  It is nice to have CW go out and archive the software revs
and keep a database of all that.  I've never used CW for anything more
than an audit trail of changes.  The GUI, like all management GUI's, just
ain't natural for we command-line-folk.

For me, telnet and a tftp daemon do just fine.  Throw in a perl script
or two to scrog configs regularly and parse syslog entries, and add MRTG
on top of that.

my .02.


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Re: OT: working with cisco gear (Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s))

[brian moore]

On Sat, Nov 18, 2000 at 06:30:59PM +0100, Robert Waldner wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:18:31 +0100, Dariush Pietrzak writes:
> >> which are useful unless you have to manage lots of those boxes, 
> 
> >I wouldn't know.
> >but isn't that what OpenView is for? and is unbeatable in that field?
> 
> I consider BrokenView to be in the field of BigBuckMoneyBurn-ware ...

Indeed.  I've yet to meet anyone that has used it and -liked- it.

The most common reason to run OV is "we installed some vendor hardware
and they only let us manage it with OV".

As an example of its brokenness, when I had to run it, I also had to use
'mon' to ensure that OV was actually still running: periodically one
part of OV would core dump and take down the rest of it.  The irony of
using a couple thousand lines of GPL'd Perl to monitor hundreds of
thousands of lines of expensive crapware was amusing, though.

Then there was the day that OpenView refused to honor its own license,
which meant I had to call our evil VAR (HP refused to help, because we
got it as a VAR package) and have -them- call HP...  12 hours later HP
gave us a new license that OV didn't choke on.  Too bad the hardware
that OV was supposed to be controlling was offline for 12 hours.

> If you´re (for whatever reason) already forced to use expensive (and 
> much too often crappy) cisco-gear, I´d guess you don´t want to strangle 
> yourself further with more&more not-open-source-software.

OpenView is what made me as rabid 'give me source or keep it off
my network' as I am.  (And, thanks to the wonders of proprietary
software's inferiority, it even convinced management of the same
thing now -they- ask about source and standards compliance when
talking to sales wonks, and usually even specifically ask "will this
work with Linux?")



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Re: OT: working with cisco gear (Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s))

[Robert Waldner]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:18:31 +0100, Dariush Pietrzak writes:
>> which are useful unless you have to manage lots of those boxes, 

>I wouldn't know.
>but isn't that what OpenView is for? and is unbeatable in that field?

I consider BrokenView to be in the field of BigBuckMoneyBurn-ware ...

If you´re (for whatever reason) already forced to use expensive (and 
much too often crappy) cisco-gear, I´d guess you don´t want to strangle 
yourself further with more&more not-open-source-software.

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Re: OT: working with cisco gear (Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s))

[Dariush Pietrzak]

> which are useful unless you have to manage lots of those boxes, 
I wouldn't know.
but isn't that what OpenView is for? and is unbeatable in that field?


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OT: working with cisco gear (Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s))

[Robert Waldner]

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:08:02 +0100, Dariush Pietrzak writes:
>> I was wondering if there were any debian tools used for working with Cisco

>there is wonderfull perl module for configuring Cisco routers.
>besides that you've got all default tools like telnet;),snmp utils like
>mrtg etc..

which are useful unless you have to manage lots of those boxes, 
 maintaining (+backuping!) their configuration, both locally and in 
 general, upgrading them with the latest security fixes etc pp. a bunch 
 of fleas can´t be _that_ much more work ;-) ...

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Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s)

[Dariush Pietrzak]

> I was wondering if there were any debian tools used for working with Cisco
there is wonderfull perl module for configuring Cisco routers.
besides that you've got all default tools like telnet;),snmp utils like
mrtg etc..



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Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s)

[Robert Waldner]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:47:54 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer writes:
>On Friday 17 November 2000, at 9 h 25, the keyboard of Debian Ghost 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if there were any debian tools used for working with Cisco
>> routers and/or other Cisco gear. 
>
>Everything is in Debian packages:
>
>m4 (to create configuration files)
>mrtg (to get stats from the boxes)
>mon (to monitor the boxes)
>telnet (just in case)

and, of course, there´s rtrmon , though 
afaik not yet debian´ized, it does a great job if you have to cope with 
large numbers of routers (especially criscos).

hth,
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Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s)

[Stephane Bortzmeyer]

On Friday 17 November 2000, at 9 h 25, the keyboard of Debian Ghost 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was wondering if there were any debian tools used for working with Cisco
> routers and/or other Cisco gear. 

Everything is in Debian packages:

m4 (to create configuration files)
mrtg (to get stats from the boxes)
mon (to monitor the boxes)
telnet (just in case)



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Re: CISCO --> debian tool(s)

[Youri Albinovanus]

Debian Ghost wrote:

> Hey Guys,
> I was wondering if there were any debian tools used for working with Cisco
> routers and/or other Cisco gear. I was thinking about things like
> analytical tools and configuration tools. Mainly I am interested in
> anything that is happening now and/or being developed.
>
> Any info much appriciated!
>
> D. Ghost
>
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Hi,

I know that cisco has a product that work on solaris and NT, not yet on linux
but they are working on it.
Actually i use minicom to configure debug and monitor what's happening on my
ciscos and i'm really glad about it. ;o)
To monitor cisco routers and/or NAS, you can use rrdtool and mrtg to get info
about bandwith, and snmp to reconfigure the cisco on the fly (for example in
combination with lids).

youri

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