Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
Lucas Albers wrote: I would deploy debian on more desktops, but the hardware detections is just not up to par compared to fedora 1. only 1 in 4 does it successfuly detects and configures x. I do not know what tricks Knoppix does to detect hardware but I think it detects better than normal Debian setup. I think a Knoppix install can be a nice start for a Debian desktop. I am running one as my primary workstation since almost three months now. Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do you deploy a new system ?
--Monday, February 23, 2004 12:56:16 +0100 Kaiser, Michael (ZIBP) [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi We just boot our new machines remotely and are done within seconds. It's not too flexible compared with FAI, but installation and maintenance is _much_ simpler. as long as m23 is not capable of detecting and using hardware raid devices, it is far from being adopted as a viable alternative to fai or even systemimager. m23's webbased gui is neat and a step towards enterprise adoption but as long as it lacks enterprise hardware support, it won't get too much attention. Don't get me wrong, I really LIKE m23, but systemimager and especially FAI are far more advanced. At least technically. Admitted, FAI is far more advanced flexible but for our needs it's unfortunatly in the same amount too complex to handle. We have no problems with m23 and RAID hradware (at least with 3ware) but you have to build your own kernel. Cheers, Marcel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:00:26 -0600, Rich Puhek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One little quibble/question about this: should issues like this be reported to the Debian maintainer, or just reported to whoever created the software in the first place? I am not in a position to judge if a bug has been introduced by the Debian packaging. Interfacing with upstream is the maintainer's job. Additionaly, the maintainer usually knows his package pretty well, so if he says this is not a bug, do foo and be happy, I will accept his judgement. This will improve Debian's relations with upstream by keeping their work load down. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do you deploy a new system ?
I would deploy debian on more desktops, but the hardware detections is just not up to par compared to fedora 1. only 1 in 4 does it successfuly detects and configures x. I would like to replace my 140 boxes of redhat with debian, but the hardware detection configuration is just not as good. Systemimager works great for loading master images, but it still requires hardware detection on the bootup, as the machine differ. Works great on my backend servers. I am slowly migrating all of my redhat 7.x 9.x FC1 boxes to debian. -- --Luke CS Sysadmin, Montana State University-Bozeman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
--Sunday, February 22, 2004 20:55:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: What are you guys using to deploy new systems. In our env we are bringing up one system every other week. So far, we've been using Red Hat and Kickstart. We simply save the config on a floppy then boot from the CD and a few minutes [...] We are just curious about the setups of other big ISP/University type environments since we're thinking of doing a swtich from RH to Debian. Maybe check out m23: | m23 allows systems administrators to install and manage hundreds of clients. | It can partition and format the clients and install and uninstall thousands | of software packages over an existing network. All management is done with | the administration Web interface. We just boot our new machines remotely and are done within seconds. It's not too flexible compared with FAI, but installation and maintenance is _much_ simpler. Per default it sets up a workstation with X, but we removed that part. It works basically as a boot-server plus an http-site written in PHP. The new machines boot remotely, run some scripts and issue http request which are answered with dpkg-filelists and further TODOs. Theres a web interface for partitioning. The auto-install process waits for your choice here but that should be easy to change. Additionally m23 keeps a database of the (auto-detected) hardware details of all installed machines. There is also a bootable CD image which can be configured to boot from HD if a system is found there (ever left a CD in your drive and issued a remote reboot? ;-) http://m23.sourceforge.net/PostNuke-0.726/html/?newlang=eng Cheers, Marcel -- GPG key at http://hichac.de/marcel_hichac.de.asc GPG key id C7294665 GPG key fingerprint 3462 FEEF C0D1 6179 74C3 506B F9F1 FEED C729 4665 [Werbung] GNU Privacy Projekt Gefoerdert vom Bundesministeriums Wirtschaft und Arbeit und dem Bundesministeriums des Innern. GNU Privacy Guard - Ver- und Entschlüsselung von Email GNU Privacy Assistant - grafische Benutzeroberfläche Windows Privacy Tray - bequemes Taskleistenwerkzeug Bequeme Plugins/Schnittstellen fuer MS-Outlook, Eudora, Netscape/Mozilla-Mail, Pegasus, Post-Me u.a. Kostenlos unter http://www.gnupp.de/start.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do you deploy a new system ?
Hi We just boot our new machines remotely and are done within seconds. It's not too flexible compared with FAI, but installation and maintenance is _much_ simpler. as long as m23 is not capable of detecting and using hardware raid devices, it is far from being adopted as a viable alternative to fai or even systemimager. m23's webbased gui is neat and a step towards enterprise adoption but as long as it lacks enterprise hardware support, it won't get too much attention. Don't get me wrong, I really LIKE m23, but systemimager and especially FAI are far more advanced. At least technically. Mit freundlichen Gruessen/ kind regards, Michael Kaiser ___ HDI Service AG Informationsverarbeitung Systemtechnik / ZIBP Riethorst 2 30659 Hannover Büro: Podbielskistraße 396 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: www.hdi.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:41:42 -0700, Michael Loftis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: et the latest available stable from http://mondorescue.org/ -- make sure you satisfy its reqs, bzip2, afio, *NEWER* version of cdrecord (RH boxes have HUGE problems there), and some others i know i'm forgetting. There really isn't much of a trick to it. It doesn't do a great job looking at MD RAID and doesn't handle LVM at all. It also has trouble with 'odd' devices like the DAC960 /dev/rd/* stuff, it doesn't' always recognize them as valid devices. Also, mondo has its very own opinion about hard disk partitioning and for example refuses to work on machines that have been partitioned according to my partitioning policy, flagging them as insane. See the bugs I have filed against mondo regarding this, and notice that they are a few months old without any reply by the package maintainer. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copies, please !! - Marc Haber |Questions are the | Mailadresse im Header Karlsruhe, Germany | Beginning of Wisdom | Fon: *49 721 966 32 15 Nordisch by Nature | Lt. Worf, TNG Rightful Heir | Fax: *49 721 966 31 29 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
This is what i regard as the EASY way: Divide target boxes into hardware 'races' (all exactly-the-same hardware into one race). Install one debian per race. Partimage each race. Sync all boxes of each race with a partimage bootdisk, look into the dhcp logs to see the ip of each box. Script or do one by one, change all hostnames (at this point they are all the same). This is a 20 line script at most if ssh is properly installed in all boxes (just put it with your pubkey in the imaged boxes). El dom, 22-02-2004 a las 19:55, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hi, What are you guys using to deploy new systems. In our env we are bringing up one system every other week. So far, we've been using Red Hat and Kickstart. We simply save the config on a floppy then boot from the CD and a few minutes later the system is ready without the endless Yes/No questions. BTW, I tried Mondo on the latest stable Woody-3.2 and it didn't seem to work i.e. I issued the command: $ mondoarchive -Oi -d /mnt/NFS/Images -E /mnt and it started doing something but then it never returned back (left it running for 4 hrs) to the prompt and there was no disk activity after the first 10 mins. I Ctrl-C'd it and never looked into it. FAI etc sound too complicated to setup. Anaconda port doesn't sound that great since you have to use a special kernel to make it work...from what I've heard ? We are just curious about the setups of other big ISP/University type environments since we're thinking of doing a swtich from RH to Debian. Thank You. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
Marc Haber wrote: See the bugs I have filed against mondo regarding this, and notice that they are a few months old without any reply by the package maintainer. Greetings Marc One little quibble/question about this: should issues like this be reported to the Debian maintainer, or just reported to whoever created the software in the first place? If installing a package breaks some Debian dependancies, or otherwise blows up on Debian, go ahead and complain to the maintainer. If a package's functionality has issues, shouldn't you bring it up to whoever works on the upstream program itself? They're the ones who have to fix it, since they're the ones who wrote it. Granted, the developer can forward the bug to upstream, but it seems to me that it would be easier to just notify the upstream right away, and not bug you guys with something you can't control. --Rich -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
G'day, From: Rich Puhek [EMAIL PROTECTED] [...] One little quibble/question about this: should issues like this be reported to the Debian maintainer, or just reported to whoever created the software in the first place? [...] If a package's functionality has issues, shouldn't you bring it up to whoever works on the upstream program itself? They're the ones who have to fix it, since they're the ones who wrote it. Granted, the developer can forward the bug to upstream, but it seems to me that it would be easier to just notify the upstream right away, and not bug you guys with something you can't control. In theory, this is true. However, there are many reasons why reporting the bug through the Debian bug tracking system is a good idea, including; 1) it prevents buggy software from automatically transitioning into testing. 2) it alerts the package mantainer to the problem. 3) It alerts people trying to put together a Debian release that there is yet another release-critical bug to be solved first. 4) it provides a common reference point for debian users wondering why the package doesn't work. 5) Often the debian bug-tracking system is better than what upstream has available... many non-debian projects end up refering to bugs in the Debian tracker because they don't have a tracker of their own. 6) Often the Debian package mantainer is more responsive than upstream, developing and applying their own patches which eventually get accepted upstream. I always report against the Debian package first, then forward upstream as necisary. Donovan Baardahttp://minkirri.apana.org.au/~abo/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I just wanted to thank everyone for the suggestions and replies. I will definitely check out some of the options you presented. Thx again. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How do you deploy a new system ?
FAI is what we're using. mondo does work on debian, but you gotta make sure you dont' do anything 'dumb' -- its not super robust int he face of errors during image creation. --On Sunday, February 22, 2004 20:55 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What are you guys using to deploy new systems. In our env we are bringing up one system every other week. So far, we've been using Red Hat and Kickstart. We simply save the config on a floppy then boot from the CD and a few minutes later the system is ready without the endless Yes/No questions. BTW, I tried Mondo on the latest stable Woody-3.2 and it didn't seem to work i.e. I issued the command: $ mondoarchive -Oi -d /mnt/NFS/Images -E /mnt and it started doing something but then it never returned back (left it running for 4 hrs) to the prompt and there was no disk activity after the first 10 mins. I Ctrl-C'd it and never looked into it. FAI etc sound too complicated to setup. Anaconda port doesn't sound that great since you have to use a special kernel to make it work...from what I've heard ? We are just curious about the setups of other big ISP/University type environments since we're thinking of doing a swtich from RH to Debian. Thank You. __ Introducing the New Netscape Internet Service. Only $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Loftis Modwest Sr. Systems Administrator Powerful, Affordable Web Hosting -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do you deploy a new system ?
Michael: -Original Message- From: Michael Loftis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do you deploy a new system ? FAI is what we're using. mondo does work on debian, but you gotta make sure you dont' do anything 'dumb' -- its not super robust int he face of errors during image creation. [...] How did you get Mondo to work? Thanks! Christopher Davis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: How do you deploy a new system ?
et the latest available stable from http://mondorescue.org/ -- make sure you satisfy its reqs, bzip2, afio, *NEWER* version of cdrecord (RH boxes have HUGE problems there), and some others i know i'm forgetting. There really isn't much of a trick to it. It doesn't do a great job looking at MD RAID and doesn't handle LVM at all. It also has trouble with 'odd' devices like the DAC960 /dev/rd/* stuff, it doesn't' always recognize them as valid devices. --On Sunday, February 22, 2004 22:19 -0500 Christopher Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael: -Original Message- From: Michael Loftis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 9:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: How do you deploy a new system ? FAI is what we're using. mondo does work on debian, but you gotta make sure you dont' do anything 'dumb' -- its not super robust int he face of errors during image creation. [...] How did you get Mondo to work? Thanks! Christopher Davis -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Michael Loftis Modwest Sr. Systems Administrator Powerful, Affordable Web Hosting -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
