mailing lists
Hey all. I'm looking for some guidance with regard to mailing list managers. We're not looking to host mailing lists, but to use the user-side admin capabilities (self subscribe/unsubscribe) and the delivery capabilities of a list manager to send out mass emails. Not spam, self-directed emails. Product sheets, newsletters, and so on. We use postfix as the mailer and I have narrowed it down to three options, majordomo because I know it works well w/ postfix, mailman because it's GNU. and a perl script/database/web page/procmail cause it's fun :) Anyone have any pointers or gotcha's with regard to these? Cheers, -- Lance Levsen, Systems Administrator, PWGroup - Saskatoon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 10:34:57PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello! > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:02:10AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > ... > > you should be able to do that in your apache configuration - either deny > > access to unencrypted connections or send a redirect to the encrypted > > URL. > ... > > Eric Jennings yet sent kindly the recipe :) And I rushed to implement > it, when I realized that for survival reasons I am using the boa web > server. > > > > it's not really mailman's job to do that. > ... > > You are surely right, but, is there another boa-like small&|fast web > server which supports ssl? Is there some ssl-cgi-sandwich which > allows to use ssl on servers that do not have built in support? stunnel is your friend. Tim -- >< >> Tim Sailer (at home) >< Coastal Internet, Inc. << >> Network and Systems Operations >< PO Box 671 << >> http://www.buoy.com >< Ridge, NY 11961 << >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >< (631) 924-3728 << ><
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
Hello! On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:02:10AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: ... > you should be able to do that in your apache configuration - either deny > access to unencrypted connections or send a redirect to the encrypted > URL. ... Eric Jennings yet sent kindly the recipe :) And I rushed to implement it, when I realized that for survival reasons I am using the boa web server. > it's not really mailman's job to do that. ... You are surely right, but, is there another boa-like small&|fast web server which supports ssl? Is there some ssl-cgi-sandwich which allows to use ssl on servers that do not have built in support? Not really problems I have to live with right now, but I wonder,... Best Regards, Jorge-León
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 10:34:57PM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello! > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:02:10AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: > ... > > you should be able to do that in your apache configuration - either deny > > access to unencrypted connections or send a redirect to the encrypted > > URL. > ... > > Eric Jennings yet sent kindly the recipe :) And I rushed to implement > it, when I realized that for survival reasons I am using the boa web > server. > > > > it's not really mailman's job to do that. > ... > > You are surely right, but, is there another boa-like small&|fast web > server which supports ssl? Is there some ssl-cgi-sandwich which > allows to use ssl on servers that do not have built in support? stunnel is your friend. Tim -- >< >> Tim Sailer (at home) >< Coastal Internet, Inc. << >> Network and Systems Operations >< PO Box 671 << >> http://www.buoy.com >< Ridge, NY 11961 << >> [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] >< (631) 924-3728 << >< -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
Hello! On Sun, Nov 11, 2001 at 10:02:10AM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: ... > you should be able to do that in your apache configuration - either deny > access to unencrypted connections or send a redirect to the encrypted > URL. ... Eric Jennings yet sent kindly the recipe :) And I rushed to implement it, when I realized that for survival reasons I am using the boa web server. > it's not really mailman's job to do that. ... You are surely right, but, is there another boa-like small&|fast web server which supports ssl? Is there some ssl-cgi-sandwich which allows to use ssl on servers that do not have built in support? Not really problems I have to live with right now, but I wonder,... Best Regards, Jorge-León -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:22:17AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm using mailman, but only at a *very* small scale. > > While beeing satisfied about the ease of configuration and managment > of the lists, I am worried about the fact, that the list administrator > is sending the list password in cleartext over the net when logging > in. > > Of course I give the admins the advice to use https:// instead of > http:// when logging in, but mailman does not enforce it. you should be able to do that in your apache configuration - either deny access to unencrypted connections or send a redirect to the encrypted URL. > I think of diving into the code some day to see into it, but maybe I'm > too paranoid or you have yet a solution to this... it's not really mailman's job to do that. craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
On Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:22:17AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm using mailman, but only at a *very* small scale. > > While beeing satisfied about the ease of configuration and managment > of the lists, I am worried about the fact, that the list administrator > is sending the list password in cleartext over the net when logging > in. > > Of course I give the admins the advice to use https:// instead of > http:// when logging in, but mailman does not enforce it. you should be able to do that in your apache configuration - either deny access to unencrypted connections or send a redirect to the encrypted URL. > I think of diving into the code some day to see into it, but maybe I'm > too paranoid or you have yet a solution to this... it's not really mailman's job to do that. craig -- craig sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
In your Apache httpd.conf file, under the VirtualHost block that handles your mailman config, force Apache to use https instead of http, even when somebody types in http. You do it by adding the below 2 lines: (you have to have mod_rewrite compiled and installed in your Apache daemon) RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.+) https://www.somedomain.com/cgi-bin/mailmanconfig [R,L] HTH- Eric Hello! I'm using mailman, but only at a *very* small scale. While beeing satisfied about the ease of configuration and managment of the lists, I am worried about the fact, that the list administrator is sending the list password in cleartext over the net when logging in. Of course I give the admins the advice to use https:// instead of http:// when logging in, but mailman does not enforce it. I think of diving into the code some day to see into it, but maybe I'm too paranoid or you have yet a solution to this... Any thoughts? Jorge-León On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:59:51PM +, Martin WHEELER wrote: On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: ... It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone. ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
Hello! I'm using mailman, but only at a *very* small scale. While beeing satisfied about the ease of configuration and managment of the lists, I am worried about the fact, that the list administrator is sending the list password in cleartext over the net when logging in. Of course I give the admins the advice to use https:// instead of http:// when logging in, but mailman does not enforce it. I think of diving into the code some day to see into it, but maybe I'm too paranoid or you have yet a solution to this... Any thoughts? Jorge-León On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:59:51PM +, Martin WHEELER wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: > > > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: ... > It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone. ...
Re: SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
In your Apache httpd.conf file, under the VirtualHost block that handles your mailman config, force Apache to use https instead of http, even when somebody types in http. You do it by adding the below 2 lines: (you have to have mod_rewrite compiled and installed in your Apache daemon) RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/(.+) https://www.somedomain.com/cgi-bin/mailmanconfig [R,L] HTH- Eric >Hello! > >I'm using mailman, but only at a *very* small scale. > >While beeing satisfied about the ease of configuration and managment >of the lists, I am worried about the fact, that the list administrator >is sending the list password in cleartext over the net when logging in. > >Of course I give the admins the advice to use https:// instead of http:// >when logging in, but mailman does not enforce it. > >I think of diving into the code some day to see into it, but maybe I'm >too paranoid or you have yet a solution to this... > >Any thoughts? > > Jorge-León > > >On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:59:51PM +, Martin WHEELER wrote: >> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: >> >> > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: >... >> It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone. >... > > >-- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SSL and Mailman?, was Re: Mailing Lists
Hello! I'm using mailman, but only at a *very* small scale. While beeing satisfied about the ease of configuration and managment of the lists, I am worried about the fact, that the list administrator is sending the list password in cleartext over the net when logging in. Of course I give the admins the advice to use https:// instead of http:// when logging in, but mailman does not enforce it. I think of diving into the code some day to see into it, but maybe I'm too paranoid or you have yet a solution to this... Any thoughts? Jorge-León On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:59:51PM +, Martin WHEELER wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: > > > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: ... > It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone. ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mailing Lists
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:59:51PM +, Martin WHEELER wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
>
> > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu:
>
> > > We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients and were
> > > wondering which program(s) we should use. At present our mail is
> > > handled by exim.
exim should be adequate for small-medium mail loads.
for larger mail loads, try something more robust & scalable like
postfix.
> > I did it sometime ago and I've used mailman which is quite easy to
> > use and powerfull, but I'm not an ISP so people in the list would
> > help you best.
>
> I *am* an ISP, and after messing around with quite a few list managers
> eventually settled on mailman as being the best solution for my
> situation. (Lazy admin with lots of lists :)
me too (that is, i work as senior system admin at an ISP), except i
settled on listar & majordomo...not because they're great but because
they suck the least for my needs.
i'm also an even lazier admin because (following the perl truism that
"Laziness is a Virtue") i wrote scripts to automate creation of lists so
that i don't have to work very hard to admin them. :)
a day of fairly interesting work writing scripts three years ago plus a
few days maintaining them and adding features since then has saved me
literally weeks of tedious boredom in manual administration of mailing
lists.
>
> It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone.
mailman's web based admin is fine if you like that kind of thing, and
it is a pretty good list manager in general, but its archiving really
sucks. it produces something that is *almost* an mbox file but is just
different enough that it can't be read or used by any tool that handles
mbox files, e.g. mailgrep, mutt, pine, elm, etc etc etc.
the really annoying thing about it is that a) it has been a known bug
for years, and b) it would be trivial to fix if they could be bothered.
the problem is in the From_ line, the pipermail script uses a bogus Date
format that confuses mbox-capable programs.
the correct date format IS documented...see the mbox(5) man page:
The date is expected to be formatted according to the fol
lowing syntax (represented in the augmented Backus-Naur
formalism used by RFC 822):
mbox-date= weekday month day time [ timezone ] year
weekday = "Mon" / "Tue" / "Wed" / "Thu" / "Fri"
/ "Sat" / "Sun"
month= "Jan" / "Feb" / "Mar" / "Apr" / "May"
/ "Jun" / "Jul" / "Aug" / "Sep"
/ "Oct" / "Nov" / "Dec"
day = 1*2DIGIT
time = 1*2DIGIT ":" 1*2DIGIT [ ":" 1*2DIGIT ]
timezone = ( "+" / "-" ) 4DIGIT
year = ( 4DIGIT / 2DIGIT )
For compatibility reasons with legacy software, two-digit
years greater than or equal to 70 should be interpreted as
the years 1970+, while two-digit years less than 70 should
be interpreted as the years 2000-2069.
anyway, i wrote the following little script to convert a downloaded
mailman/pipermail archive to a standard mbox format archive, so that i
can read the archive in mutt.
#! /usr/bin/perl -ni.bak
use Date::Parse ;
use Date::Format ;
$template = "%a %b %d %R:%S %Y" ;
if (/(^From )([^]*) (.*)/) {
$time = str2time($3) ;
$date = time2str($template, $time) ;
print "$1$2 $date\n" ;
} else {
print ;
} ;
craig
PS: i think i've tried all of the free list managers that are available,
and they all have something that sucks about them. i guess i dislike
listar the least (unless i'm running a list where PGP/GPG signatures
are needed, in which case it truly sucks because it mangles them...so
i use majordomo instead, which also sucks because it's so ancient and
crappy.).
of the major free list managers around, smartlist doesn't scale,
listar breaks signatures, mailman screws up archives and is written in
python (some might see that as a feature, but i don't), and majordomo
is...well...majordomo.
actually, if it wasn't for listar breaking signatures, i think it would
be almost perfect. that's it's only flaw...the trouble is that it's a
BIG flaw, and one which excludes it from serious use on geek mailing
lists.
however, the good thing about both listar and majordomo is that they
make it very easy to automate configuration of new lists.
pps: i archive lists in either one-message-per-file (listar) or one mbox
file per month (majordomo) forma
Re: Mailing Lists
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 01:59:51PM +, Martin WHEELER wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote:
>
> > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu:
>
> > > We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients and were
> > > wondering which program(s) we should use. At present our mail is
> > > handled by exim.
exim should be adequate for small-medium mail loads.
for larger mail loads, try something more robust & scalable like
postfix.
> > I did it sometime ago and I've used mailman which is quite easy to
> > use and powerfull, but I'm not an ISP so people in the list would
> > help you best.
>
> I *am* an ISP, and after messing around with quite a few list managers
> eventually settled on mailman as being the best solution for my
> situation. (Lazy admin with lots of lists :)
me too (that is, i work as senior system admin at an ISP), except i
settled on listar & majordomo...not because they're great but because
they suck the least for my needs.
i'm also an even lazier admin because (following the perl truism that
"Laziness is a Virtue") i wrote scripts to automate creation of lists so
that i don't have to work very hard to admin them. :)
a day of fairly interesting work writing scripts three years ago plus a
few days maintaining them and adding features since then has saved me
literally weeks of tedious boredom in manual administration of mailing
lists.
>
> It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone.
mailman's web based admin is fine if you like that kind of thing, and
it is a pretty good list manager in general, but its archiving really
sucks. it produces something that is *almost* an mbox file but is just
different enough that it can't be read or used by any tool that handles
mbox files, e.g. mailgrep, mutt, pine, elm, etc etc etc.
the really annoying thing about it is that a) it has been a known bug
for years, and b) it would be trivial to fix if they could be bothered.
the problem is in the From_ line, the pipermail script uses a bogus Date
format that confuses mbox-capable programs.
the correct date format IS documented...see the mbox(5) man page:
The date is expected to be formatted according to the fol
lowing syntax (represented in the augmented Backus-Naur
formalism used by RFC 822):
mbox-date= weekday month day time [ timezone ] year
weekday = "Mon" / "Tue" / "Wed" / "Thu" / "Fri"
/ "Sat" / "Sun"
month= "Jan" / "Feb" / "Mar" / "Apr" / "May"
/ "Jun" / "Jul" / "Aug" / "Sep"
/ "Oct" / "Nov" / "Dec"
day = 1*2DIGIT
time = 1*2DIGIT ":" 1*2DIGIT [ ":" 1*2DIGIT ]
timezone = ( "+" / "-" ) 4DIGIT
year = ( 4DIGIT / 2DIGIT )
For compatibility reasons with legacy software, two-digit
years greater than or equal to 70 should be interpreted as
the years 1970+, while two-digit years less than 70 should
be interpreted as the years 2000-2069.
anyway, i wrote the following little script to convert a downloaded
mailman/pipermail archive to a standard mbox format archive, so that i
can read the archive in mutt.
#! /usr/bin/perl -ni.bak
use Date::Parse ;
use Date::Format ;
$template = "%a %b %d %R:%S %Y" ;
if (/(^From )([^]*) (.*)/) {
$time = str2time($3) ;
$date = time2str($template, $time) ;
print "$1$2 $date\n" ;
} else {
print ;
} ;
craig
PS: i think i've tried all of the free list managers that are available,
and they all have something that sucks about them. i guess i dislike
listar the least (unless i'm running a list where PGP/GPG signatures
are needed, in which case it truly sucks because it mangles them...so
i use majordomo instead, which also sucks because it's so ancient and
crappy.).
of the major free list managers around, smartlist doesn't scale,
listar breaks signatures, mailman screws up archives and is written in
python (some might see that as a feature, but i don't), and majordomo
is...well...majordomo.
actually, if it wasn't for listar breaking signatures, i think it would
be almost perfect. that's it's only flaw...the trouble is that it's a
BIG flaw, and one which excludes it from serious use on geek mailing
lists.
however, the good thing about both listar and majordomo is that they
make it very easy to automate configuration of new lists.
pps: i archive lists in either one-message-per-file (listar) or one mbox
file per month (majordomo) forma
Mailing Lists, Deux
Ok, the last mailing list question prompted me to ask a mailing list question myself. Here's my setup--I've got Mailman managing a bunch of lists for an organization, and we have several lists set up to cascade to each other in the following fashion: Regional List --> Statewide List --> Chapter List +-> Statewide List --> Chapter List +-> Chapter List Now, most individuals don't subscribe to the Regional or Statewide lists, they subscribe to their Chapter's list. However, when someone wants to make a Region-wide announcement, they post it to the Region list. Since they're not usually a member of the region list, the message sits until I approve it. After that, however, comes the part I'd like to change: the message cascades down into the statewide lists, where it sits until someone approves it, and then it goes down to the chapter lists, where it sits until the moderators of THOSE approve it. What I'd like to do is have a message from the Region wide list automagically pass through the subordinate lists, without requiring everybody to be on every list (thus defeating the purpose of this list structure). I've thought about making posts to the various lists appear to come from the list itself (since then I could add the parent list as an authorized poster for it's child), but I like the idea of having the mail appear to come from the person originating the message. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance! -packy -- Packy Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] At dinner yesterday, I tried to cut myself a slice of prime rib, but it was only divisible by itself and one.
Re: Mailing Lists
On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Martin WHEELER wrote: > On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: > > > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: > > > > We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients > > > and were wondering which program(s) we should use. At > > > present our mail is handled by exim. > > > >I did it sometime ago and I've used mailman which is quite easy to use > > and > > powerfull, but I'm not an ISP so people in the list would help you best. > > I *am* an ISP, and after messing around with quite a few list managers > eventually settled on mailman as being the best solution for my > situation. (Lazy admin with lots of lists :) > > It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone. > > msw > I totally agree. At the ISP I work for we switched from majordomo to mailman some time ago, and it works perfectly. The web-based admin is great, both for us as admins and for our customers. Teun -- Teun Vink - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - icq: 15001247 - http://teun.moonblade.net
Re: Mailing Lists
On Thu, 8 Nov 2001, Andre Luis Lopes wrote: > Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: > > We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients > > and were wondering which program(s) we should use. At > > present our mail is handled by exim. > >I did it sometime ago and I've used mailman which is quite easy to use and > powerfull, but I'm not an ISP so people in the list would help you best. I *am* an ISP, and after messing around with quite a few list managers eventually settled on mailman as being the best solution for my situation. (Lazy admin with lots of lists :) It's worth it for the web-based administration and archiving alone. msw -- - Share your knowledge. It's a way to achieve immortality - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pub 1024D/01269BEB 2001-09-29 Martin Wheeler (personal key) Key fingerprint = 6CAD BFFB DB11 653E B1B7 C62B AC93 0ED8 0126 9BEB
Re: Mailing Lists
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 02:19:47PM +0200, Craigsc wrote: > Hi scholars and gentlemen > > We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients > and were wondering which program(s) we should use. At > present our mail is handled by exim. Mailman. Smartlist is second choise. I have 7-8k users on one mailman list, and it performs well. For extreme speed though, use smartlist and zmailer on the box. Given a fast disk and enough RAM, this combo CRANKS. Tim -- >< >> Tim Sailer (at home) >< Coastal Internet, Inc. << >> Network and Systems Operations >< PO Box 671 << >> http://www.buoy.com >< Ridge, NY 11961 << >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >< (631) 924-3728 << ><
Re: Mailing Lists
Em Qui 08 Nov 2001 10:19, Craigsc escreveu: > Hi scholars and gentlemen > > We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients > and were wondering which program(s) we should use. At > present our mail is handled by exim. > > Any advised would be welcomed. > > ..Craig I did it sometime ago and I've used mailman which is quite easy to use and powerfull, but I'm not an ISP so people in the list would help you best. -- André Luís Lopes andrelop at ig dot com dot br
Mailing Lists
Hi scholars and gentlemen We are wanting to set-up a mailing list for our clients and were wondering which program(s) we should use. At present our mail is handled by exim. Any advised would be welcomed. ..Craig
Bug#115468: O: ezmanage -- Manage multiple ezmlm mailing lists
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal
I'm orphaning ezmanage, both as the upstream author and as the
Debian maintainer, as I no longer use mailing lists under
qmail. If you want to step up to the plate, please get a
Sourceforge.net account and tell me, and I'll transfer the
whole project to you.
More information about ezmanage is available at
http://ezmanage.sourceforge.net/
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Bug#115468: O: ezmanage -- Manage multiple ezmlm mailing lists
Package: wnpp
Severity: normal
I'm orphaning ezmanage, both as the upstream author and as the
Debian maintainer, as I no longer use mailing lists under
qmail. If you want to step up to the plate, please get a
Sourceforge.net account and tell me, and I'll transfer the
whole project to you.
More information about ezmanage is available at
http://ezmanage.sourceforge.net/
(Note, if you reply to this, make sure you don't send mail
to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Re: Qmail+vpopmail with mailing lists
On qmail-systems you should use ezmlm. Otherwise take a look at Mailman (http://www.list.org) Martin On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Juha-Matti Tapio wrote: > Our mail environment runs several virtual domains on qmail+vpopmail. Now I > need to setup mailing lists for a few of these domains. > > Any suggestions on what software to use? > > Web-management interface would certainly be nice feature. > > -- > Juha-Matti Tapio, Atk-suunnittelija, puh. 050-5419230 > Kirahvi -domainit Oy, Tekniikantie 21 C, Espoo > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Qmail+vpopmail with mailing lists
Our mail environment runs several virtual domains on qmail+vpopmail. Now I need to setup mailing lists for a few of these domains. Any suggestions on what software to use? Web-management interface would certainly be nice feature. -- Juha-Matti Tapio, Atk-suunnittelija, puh. 050-5419230 Kirahvi -domainit Oy, Tekniikantie 21 C, Espoo
Re: Qmail+vpopmail with mailing lists
On qmail-systems you should use ezmlm. Otherwise take a look at Mailman (http://www.list.org) Martin On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Juha-Matti Tapio wrote: > Our mail environment runs several virtual domains on qmail+vpopmail. Now I > need to setup mailing lists for a few of these domains. > > Any suggestions on what software to use? > > Web-management interface would certainly be nice feature. > > -- > Juha-Matti Tapio, Atk-suunnittelija, puh. 050-5419230 > Kirahvi -domainit Oy, Tekniikantie 21 C, Espoo > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qmail+vpopmail with mailing lists
Our mail environment runs several virtual domains on qmail+vpopmail. Now I need to setup mailing lists for a few of these domains. Any suggestions on what software to use? Web-management interface would certainly be nice feature. -- Juha-Matti Tapio, Atk-suunnittelija, puh. 050-5419230 Kirahvi -domainit Oy, Tekniikantie 21 C, Espoo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Distributed Mailing Lists
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 10:46:05AM +0200, Remco van de Meent wrote: > I suggest you find out what the AS number is for the MX of each and > every email address on the list. Now, given your set of distribution > servers, find out what distribution server is closest to that MX with > regard to the number of AS hops in between. And setup a database to > determine what email-addresses should be delivered by which server > according to that information. OTOH, it's a lot easier and probably just as effective to split the list by textual comparison of domains. -- Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/ EUFShttp://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/ PGP signature
Re: Distributed Mailing Lists
Mike Fedyk wrote: > I was thinking recently about large mailing lists like LKML (Linux > Kernel Mailing List). LKML deliveries are handled by a number of machines in the USA and Europe, IIRC. > What if there was one master server located in the USA (which is > where the current one is now IIRC), and send one message to another > server in a different area. Possible areas would be: UK, South > America, Japan, etc. I suggest you find out what the AS number is for the MX of each and every email address on the list. Now, given your set of distribution servers, find out what distribution server is closest to that MX with regard to the number of AS hops in between. And setup a database to determine what email-addresses should be delivered by which server according to that information. Toh. Remco. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Distributed Mailing Lists
I was thinking recently about large mailing lists like LKML (Linux Kernel Mailing List). There is one box that has to retransmit every email to all of the subscriber email servers. Transmitting the same message hundreds of times over slow trans-contental Internet links. What if there was one master server located in the USA (which is where the current one is now IIRC), and send one message to another server in a different area. Possible areas would be: UK, South America, Japan, etc. My first idea was to split it by ISP, but that didn't seem feasable, as you'd have to deal with hundreds, maybe thousands of ISPs. Although, this could be a project to organize. Anyway, I don't know how if there would be any drawbacks to a semi-country coded distributed LKML (for exampele). Maybe you guys have some ideas. Mike -- Mike Fedyk "They that can give up essential liberty Information Systems to obtain a little temporary safety Match Mail Productions Inc. deserve neither liberty nor safety." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ben Franklin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
