Re: using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-09 Thread Markus Oswald
Am Do, den 08.04.2004 schrieb Lucas Albers um 20:09:
 I got it work, but I was trying to make boot floppies so I could load the
 drivers from the install cd, so I could install direct on it.
 Could not find directions on this anywhere, or how to compile it
 statically in the kernel.

As far as I can remember you couldn't compile the drive statically in
the kernel - probably due to licensing issues.
I should be possible to put into the '/boot' directory on a floppy and
load it during the setup process (i.e. preload modules from floppy).

  The Controller used in the ProLiant ML330 series is an IDE-RAID and most
  of the logic is not done by the controller but by the driver itself.
  So performance will probably suck...
 
 My links refer to source to compile the drivers as a module.
 It's gpl released.

I just took a look at the files I got from LSI (who now own AMI) and the
driver is half GPL, half proprietary.

Quoting megaide-shimdriver-readme.txt:
LSI Logic's Shim driver has its raid intelligence as binary file
megaide_lib.o and the rest of the driver is open. megaide_lib.o can be
build with the open source to get driver image megaide.o.

best regards,
  Markus
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Re: using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-09 Thread Markus Oswald
Am Do, den 08.04.2004 schrieb Lucas Albers um 20:09:
 I got it work, but I was trying to make boot floppies so I could load the
 drivers from the install cd, so I could install direct on it.
 Could not find directions on this anywhere, or how to compile it
 statically in the kernel.

As far as I can remember you couldn't compile the drive statically in
the kernel - probably due to licensing issues.
I should be possible to put into the '/boot' directory on a floppy and
load it during the setup process (i.e. preload modules from floppy).

  The Controller used in the ProLiant ML330 series is an IDE-RAID and most
  of the logic is not done by the controller but by the driver itself.
  So performance will probably suck...
 
 My links refer to source to compile the drivers as a module.
 It's gpl released.

I just took a look at the files I got from LSI (who now own AMI) and the
driver is half GPL, half proprietary.

Quoting megaide-shimdriver-readme.txt:
LSI Logic's Shim driver has its raid intelligence as binary file
megaide_lib.o and the rest of the driver is open. megaide_lib.o can be
build with the open source to get driver image megaide.o.

best regards,
  Markus
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Re: using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-08 Thread Markus Oswald
Am Do, den 08.04.2004 schrieb Guillaume Plessis um 00:42:
 Hello
 
 Being lucky with Google may give you the solution :
 
 http://www.campbell-lange.net/linux/

AMI MegaRAID != AMI MegaIDE

The Controller used in the ProLiant ML330 series is an IDE-RAID and most
of the logic is not done by the controller but by the driver itself.
So performance will probably suck... 
The controller will need proprietary drivers as AMI wants to protect
their intellectual property - despite RAID0/1 being quite simple...

As Lucas wrote, you CAN use it with Debian, but I would advise against
it. Updating the kernel will be more work and you cannot even quickly
recover your system with Knoppix (or something alike) because of the
proprietary modules.

We ditched our ML330 after a few days and replaced it with a DL380 - a
little bit more expensive, but worth the money.

Basically the ML330 is a nice machine - except for the IDE subsystem
(there is only one other IDE port for the CD-ROM, so you can't even use
Software-RAID as the HDD won't be detected by the OS!).

So if you really want a cheap dual Xeon tower server made by HP/Compaq,
either get an extra IDE controller, buy the SCSI version or use a RAID
controller wich is supported by the kernel. It will save you a lot of
time and headaches... ;o)

best regards,
  Markus
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Re: using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-08 Thread Lucas Albers
I got it work, but I was trying to make boot floppies so I could load the
drivers from the install cd, so I could install direct on it.
Could not find directions on this anywhere, or how to compile it
statically in the kernel.

Markus Oswald said:
 The Controller used in the ProLiant ML330 series is an IDE-RAID and most
 of the logic is not done by the controller but by the driver itself.
 So performance will probably suck...

My links refer to source to compile the drivers as a module.
It's gpl released.

 The controller will need proprietary drivers as AMI wants to protect
 their intellectual property - despite RAID0/1 being quite simple...

 As Lucas wrote, you CAN use it with Debian, but I would advise against
 it. Updating the kernel will be more work and you cannot even quickly
 recover your system with Knoppix (or something alike) because of the
 proprietary modules.

 We ditched our ML330 after a few days and replaced it with a DL380 - a
 little bit more expensive, but worth the money.

It seems to have good enough performance for us.
We are using for weather modeling website, which just requires mysql and php.

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using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-07 Thread Lucas Albers
I recently received a hp proliant ml 330 which I installed redhat and then
debian linux on it.
I requires the megaide modules to see the raid disks correctly.
They can be compiled from source, from this location.(see below.)

I could not determine how to compile them statically into the kernel,
or create driver disks for a bf24 install.

So I had to intall redhat linux and then debootstrap into a debian
install, after I had recompiled the kernel and loaded the driver module
via initrd.

directions:

install redhat linux
boot machine
install debootstrap
install debian
download megaide kernel
http://www.stevehardy.info/
http://support.megaraid.com/support/dlresult.cfm
download 2.4.25 kernel
copy extra megaide directory to
/usr/src/linux/drivers/scsi
so it's a subdirectory of scsi.
edit makefile to include megaide section
config kernel,
make megaide include and cramfs,initrd ext3 scsis support.
compile megaide kernel
make dep bzImage megaide modules modules_install
install kernel
boot debian install.
configure debian





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Re: using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-07 Thread Guillaume Plessis
Hello

Being lucky with Google may give you the solution :

http://www.campbell-lange.net/linux/

Enjoy :)

On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 16:21:54 -0600, Lucas Albers wrote:
 I recently received a hp proliant ml 330 which I installed redhat and then
 debian linux on it.
 I requires the megaide modules to see the raid disks correctly.
 They can be compiled from source, from this location.(see below.)
 
 I could not determine how to compile them statically into the kernel,
 or create driver disks for a bf24 install.
 

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Re: using hp proliant ml 330

2004-04-07 Thread Guillaume Plessis
Hello

Being lucky with Google may give you the solution :

http://www.campbell-lange.net/linux/

Enjoy :)

On Wed, Apr 07, 2004 at 16:21:54 -0600, Lucas Albers wrote:
 I recently received a hp proliant ml 330 which I installed redhat and then
 debian linux on it.
 I requires the megaide modules to see the raid disks correctly.
 They can be compiled from source, from this location.(see below.)
 
 I could not determine how to compile them statically into the kernel,
 or create driver disks for a bf24 install.
 

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