Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
If I understand correctly, you have experience with IlohaMail... I've just installed it, and tested it using the (default) FS backend which worked fine. But then I carefully reconfigured to use a MySQL backend, which the DB setup seems to have gone fine, however I can no longer login using the same user. I get Connection failed: Invalid password. As far as I can tell, it's not a problem with the IlohaMail user I setup to access the MySQL DB, since I can see an entry in the DB with the user I'm trying to login as. Any ideas? I didn't make any drastic config changes, just the obvious necessary settings to access the DB. Thanks! Robert - Original Message - From: W.D.McKinney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:47 AM Subject: Re: decent webmail software - does it exist? On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 21:31 +0500, Timur Irmatov wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 01:46:57PM +, David Reynolds wrote: Try IlohaMail. It is robust and fast and also multilingual. Looking at the demo on their site. It appears to support Russian. Not being Russian Speaking myself I can't tell how well it handles it, but it looks Russian to me :) www.ilohamail.org Thank you, I'll look into it. We are testing this one. http://www.mintersoft.com/beta5.shtml Dee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
Hi, On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 02:19:36PM +0500, Timur Irmatov wrote: Then it was OpenWebMail. It has problems with Subjects containing russian text. FYI, headers must be in plain ASCII (RFC822). But I agree that everyone wants to have a subject in the same language as the body. -- Lost Oasis http://lost-oasis.fr/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist? (Test: äöüÄÖÜ)
On Thursday 18 November 2004 10.23, Bertrand Yvain wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 02:19:36PM +0500, Timur Irmatov wrote: Then it was OpenWebMail. It has problems with Subjects containing russian text. FYI, headers must be in plain ASCII (RFC822). But I agree that everyone wants to have a subject in the same language as the body. Headers can contain any charset they wish, as long as they are encoded properly. See the subject of this email for an example. -- vbi -- TODO: apt-get install signify -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist? (Test: äöüÄÖÜ)
Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 18 November 2004 10.23, Bertrand Yvain wrote: FYI, headers must be in plain ASCII (RFC822). But I agree that everyone wants to have a subject in the same language as the body. Headers can contain any charset they wish, as long as they are encoded properly. Thanks for correcting me. RFC2047 describes how to encode message headers. I thought that MIME would work only for message bodies. -- Lost Oasis http://lost-oasis.fr/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist? (Test: äöüÄÖÜ)
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004, Bertrand Yvain wrote: Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: On Thursday 18 November 2004 10.23, Bertrand Yvain wrote: FYI, headers must be in plain ASCII (RFC822). But I agree that everyone wants to have a subject in the same language as the body. Headers can contain any charset they wish, as long as they are encoded properly. Thanks for correcting me. RFC2047 describes how to encode message headers. I thought that MIME would work only for message bodies. And, if you can get away with it, you should be rejecting at the MTA any message with 8-bit characters in any header. Since I cannot get away with that, I reject any with more than about 8 characters that are not ASCII. This cleans up an amazing amount of trash, but still lets through broken messages in the local language (Brazilian Portuguese). So far, the filter didn't cause any customer to get pissed off. It has been active for 2 years now. Probably all my CJK and Russian customers use proper email software, or something... there are not many, and the other 99% appreciates the reduction in spam levels. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
On Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 10:23:53AM +0100, Bertrand Yvain wrote: Hi, On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 02:19:36PM +0500, Timur Irmatov wrote: Then it was OpenWebMail. It has problems with Subjects containing russian text. FYI, headers must be in plain ASCII (RFC822). But I agree that everyone wants to have a subject in the same language as the body. I'm not sure which RFC says that at least Subject (but also From, To and may be others) headers can contain non-ascii text (properly encoded). -- Timur Irmatov, System administrator, Sarkor-Telecom Co. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
decent webmail software - does it exist?
Hi! As it is said on site of Mutt: all mail clients suck. this one just sucks less. Now I can add to this statement that all webmail programs suck, and unfortunately I can't find the one that sucks less. :) I am russian-speaking person, and thus main requirement for webmail software is complete and robust support of russian language - both in interface and emails. I tried SquirrelMail. At first look it seems to be pretty good. But then I noticed that I can't properly reply to messages containing russian text if message is encoded in any encoding other than utf-8. Developers of SquirrelMail say that current version does not support charset encoding in reply/forward. Then I tried IMP. It cannot properly display messages in utf-8 charset. Then it was OpenWebMail. It has problems with Subjects containing russian text. Does anybody has positive experience with any webmail software with respect to i18n? -- Timur Irmatov, System administrator, Sarkor-Telecom Co. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
Timur Irmatov wrote: == SNIP == I am russian-speaking person, and thus main requirement for webmail software is complete and robust support of russian language - both in interface and emails. Try IlohaMail. It is robust and fast and also multilingual. Looking at the demo on their site. It appears to support Russian. Not being Russian Speaking myself I can't tell how well it handles it, but it looks Russian to me :) www.ilohamail.org Then it was OpenWebMail. It has problems with Subjects containing russian text. I've used OpenWebMail, squirrel mail and NOCC all of which I've found to be lacking in comparison to Iloha! Hope that helps. Cheers Dave -- David Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
Timur Irmatov wrote: Hi! Then I tried IMP. It cannot properly display messages in utf-8 charset. IMP from testing/unstable work with utf-8 -- With Best Wishes Max CCSA,CCSE -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 06:36:54PM +0300, Max Kosmach wrote: Then I tried IMP. It cannot properly display messages in utf-8 charset. IMP from testing/unstable work with utf-8 well, works but with some flaws. I have installed 1.5.0 development version, it allows me to reply to emails containing russian text but it seems to miscalculate lengths of lines with russian text and because of it those lines are wrapped too often than necessary. may be it is fixed in CVS, don't know. -- Timur Irmatov, System administrator, Sarkor-Telecom Co. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 01:46:57PM +, David Reynolds wrote: Try IlohaMail. It is robust and fast and also multilingual. Looking at the demo on their site. It appears to support Russian. Not being Russian Speaking myself I can't tell how well it handles it, but it looks Russian to me :) www.ilohamail.org Thank you, I'll look into it. -- Timur Irmatov, System administrator, Sarkor-Telecom Co. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: decent webmail software - does it exist?
On Wed, 2004-11-17 at 21:31 +0500, Timur Irmatov wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2004 at 01:46:57PM +, David Reynolds wrote: Try IlohaMail. It is robust and fast and also multilingual. Looking at the demo on their site. It appears to support Russian. Not being Russian Speaking myself I can't tell how well it handles it, but it looks Russian to me :) www.ilohamail.org Thank you, I'll look into it. We are testing this one. http://www.mintersoft.com/beta5.shtml Dee -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmail configuration for schools
I need to provide email access for 13,000 to 14,000 K12 students. Last school year we used Microsoft Exchange with extremely tight quotas. There are currently ~5500 mailboxes. We had no idea what the utilization was going to be, teachers normally don't pick up new services too quickly and Exchange was the simplest implementation in our environment. They didn't use email at all for half of the year and some schools didn't want to use email at all. Since the usage was not too high, the system held up to load well. My guess is that the utilization will jump next school year. Pennsylvania will have technology education standards that will have to meet. Email is one of the standards that will have to be dealt with. We have a native mode active directory implementation. When student accounts are created, we store their information in a SQL database for various uses. Every student has their own account. I have been looking at a configuration like this: 1. Postfix with either mysql or LDAP for virtual user delivery. 2. Courier-imap with a web interface (squirrelmail, sqwebmnail etc.) (Courier-imap authentication is the tricky bit.) Since we have been using a SQL database to track user account information, I thought that mysql would be the best means of dealing with Postfix. It would be trivial to load mysql with the information that Postfix needs. My experience with active directory LDAP is not great. When using active directory as an LDAP server, it seams like there is always more fiddling than there should be. Would mysql hold up well in this sort of environment? (load, speed etc.) Courier-imap authentication is the big question in my mind. It would be great if we could use active directory to do authentication here. LDAP authentication probably won't work correctly. There is no compatible password available and LDAP bind authentication is problematic. Microsoft lets you do an LDAP bind even if your account is locked, your password has expired etc. Would Kerberos be a reasonable solution? I have no direct experience with Kerberos. Would it be possible to authenticate the user by having the courier authentication daemon request a Kerberos ticket? It is my understanding that the imap server would not be granted a ticket if the client credentials were not authentic. It would also be possible to set up RADIUS authentication. Would RADIUS be a better solution? The only remaining issue is a policy related one. Students and or parents have to sign an Internet acceptable use policy for a student to get access to the Internet. (The person that has to sign depends on the age/grade level of the student.) If they have a signed form, we enter this in the SQL database along with their other account info. Currently, we provide email accounts to all students. If they don't have a singed form, they can only send email internally. Can postfix be configured to allow virtual users access to specific domains based on the user? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Webmail configuration for schools
El mar, 01 de 07 de 2003 a las 07:35, Ross, Chris escribió: I need to provide email access for 13,000 to 14,000 K12 students. Last school year we used Microsoft Exchange BY GOD, did he really say that? with extremely 1. Postfix with either mysql or LDAP for virtual user delivery. 2. Courier-imap with a web interface (squirrelmail, sqwebmnail etc.) (Courier-imap authentication is the tricky bit.) Sounds great! Since we have been using a SQL database to track user account information, I thought that mysql would be the best means of dealing with Postfix. It would be trivial to load mysql with the information that Postfix needs. My experience with active directory LDAP is not great. When using active directory as an LDAP server, it seams like there is always more fiddling than there should be. Would mysql hold up well in this sort of environment? (load, speed etc.) Hell, postfix/courier wont even need the database to scale to that (but you will for peace of mind and easy of reporting), it aint that big. Properly tunned mysql would work very well, postgress would also do the job very well. Hell, ive a 10K accounts system, it runs all of it on a single host with webmail (yeah, i know i push it too hard), and it doesnt even use the database and its nowhere near saturation. Course, its a qmail based system, not postfix, but there shouldnt be much of a difference. Courier-imap authentication is the big question in my mind. It would be great if we could use active directory to do authentication here. LDAP authentication probably won't work correctly. There is no compatible password available and LDAP bind authentication is problematic. Microsoft lets you do an LDAP bind even if your account is locked, your password has expired etc. Would Kerberos be a reasonable solution? I have no direct experience with Kerberos. Im not shure ms kerberos plays nice with other's kerberos. Would it be possible to authenticate the user by having the courier authentication daemon request a Kerberos ticket? It is my understanding that the imap server would not be granted a ticket if the client credentials were not authentic. It would also be possible to set up RADIUS authentication. Would RADIUS be a better solution? USE THE PAM. I mean it, use pam, youll be able to even do NT domain based autentication (albeit with some tweaking and lots and lots of stress testing). Id go with SQL authentication+pam, or even courier mysql standard authentication, then dump from the activedir from time to time. You can also use pam and kerberos i think, so you dont need courier to do kerberos itself. The only remaining issue is a policy related one. Students and or parents have to sign an Internet acceptable use policy for a student to get access to the Internet. (The person that has to sign depends on the age/grade level of the student.) If they have a signed form, we enter this in the SQL database along with their other account info. Currently, we provide email accounts to all students. If they don't have a singed form, they can only send email internally. Can postfix be configured to allow virtual users access to specific domains based on the user? Um... not shure cool idea though. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Webmail configuration for schools
I need to provide email access for 13,000 to 14,000 K12 students. Last school year we used Microsoft Exchange with extremely tight quotas. There are currently ~5500 mailboxes. We had no idea what the utilization was going to be, teachers normally don't pick up new services too quickly and Exchange was the simplest implementation in our environment. They didn't use email at all for half of the year and some schools didn't want to use email at all. Since the usage was not too high, the system held up to load well. My guess is that the utilization will jump next school year. Pennsylvania will have technology education standards that will have to meet. Email is one of the standards that will have to be dealt with. We have a native mode active directory implementation. When student accounts are created, we store their information in a SQL database for various uses. Every student has their own account. I have been looking at a configuration like this: 1. Postfix with either mysql or LDAP for virtual user delivery. 2. Courier-imap with a web interface (squirrelmail, sqwebmnail etc.) (Courier-imap authentication is the tricky bit.) Since we have been using a SQL database to track user account information, I thought that mysql would be the best means of dealing with Postfix. It would be trivial to load mysql with the information that Postfix needs. My experience with active directory LDAP is not great. When using active directory as an LDAP server, it seams like there is always more fiddling than there should be. Would mysql hold up well in this sort of environment? (load, speed etc.) Courier-imap authentication is the big question in my mind. It would be great if we could use active directory to do authentication here. LDAP authentication probably won't work correctly. There is no compatible password available and LDAP bind authentication is problematic. Microsoft lets you do an LDAP bind even if your account is locked, your password has expired etc. Would Kerberos be a reasonable solution? I have no direct experience with Kerberos. Would it be possible to authenticate the user by having the courier authentication daemon request a Kerberos ticket? It is my understanding that the imap server would not be granted a ticket if the client credentials were not authentic. It would also be possible to set up RADIUS authentication. Would RADIUS be a better solution? The only remaining issue is a policy related one. Students and or parents have to sign an Internet acceptable use policy for a student to get access to the Internet. (The person that has to sign depends on the age/grade level of the student.) If they have a signed form, we enter this in the SQL database along with their other account info. Currently, we provide email accounts to all students. If they don't have a singed form, they can only send email internally. Can postfix be configured to allow virtual users access to specific domains based on the user?
Re: Webmail configuration for schools
El mar, 01 de 07 de 2003 a las 07:35, Ross, Chris escribió: I need to provide email access for 13,000 to 14,000 K12 students. Last school year we used Microsoft Exchange BY GOD, did he really say that? with extremely 1. Postfix with either mysql or LDAP for virtual user delivery. 2. Courier-imap with a web interface (squirrelmail, sqwebmnail etc.) (Courier-imap authentication is the tricky bit.) Sounds great! Since we have been using a SQL database to track user account information, I thought that mysql would be the best means of dealing with Postfix. It would be trivial to load mysql with the information that Postfix needs. My experience with active directory LDAP is not great. When using active directory as an LDAP server, it seams like there is always more fiddling than there should be. Would mysql hold up well in this sort of environment? (load, speed etc.) Hell, postfix/courier wont even need the database to scale to that (but you will for peace of mind and easy of reporting), it aint that big. Properly tunned mysql would work very well, postgress would also do the job very well. Hell, ive a 10K accounts system, it runs all of it on a single host with webmail (yeah, i know i push it too hard), and it doesnt even use the database and its nowhere near saturation. Course, its a qmail based system, not postfix, but there shouldnt be much of a difference. Courier-imap authentication is the big question in my mind. It would be great if we could use active directory to do authentication here. LDAP authentication probably won't work correctly. There is no compatible password available and LDAP bind authentication is problematic. Microsoft lets you do an LDAP bind even if your account is locked, your password has expired etc. Would Kerberos be a reasonable solution? I have no direct experience with Kerberos. Im not shure ms kerberos plays nice with other's kerberos. Would it be possible to authenticate the user by having the courier authentication daemon request a Kerberos ticket? It is my understanding that the imap server would not be granted a ticket if the client credentials were not authentic. It would also be possible to set up RADIUS authentication. Would RADIUS be a better solution? USE THE PAM. I mean it, use pam, youll be able to even do NT domain based autentication (albeit with some tweaking and lots and lots of stress testing). Id go with SQL authentication+pam, or even courier mysql standard authentication, then dump from the activedir from time to time. You can also use pam and kerberos i think, so you dont need courier to do kerberos itself. The only remaining issue is a policy related one. Students and or parents have to sign an Internet acceptable use policy for a student to get access to the Internet. (The person that has to sign depends on the age/grade level of the student.) If they have a signed form, we enter this in the SQL database along with their other account info. Currently, we provide email accounts to all students. If they don't have a singed form, they can only send email internally. Can postfix be configured to allow virtual users access to specific domains based on the user? Um... not shure cool idea though.
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
I confirm with apache 2.0.44/PHP 4.3.1 B. Koba a écrit : On Wed, 7 May 2003 11:48:24 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at SquirrelMail, but php4 is not supported with apache2. Yes it does. I'm testing the Apache/2.0.45 PHP/4.3.1 combination and it works like a charm. You'll notice a huge speedup in php scripts if you are upgrading from apache 1.x. squirrelmail.org does not recommend using apache2 with it, but I didn't have any problem so far.
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 11:33:46PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeremy D. Zawodny Subject: Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why? Why does the implementation language matter? Although not a very technical example, you can't ignore this: http://www.google.com/search?q=Perl+exploits (about 45,400 hits) http://www.google.com/search?q=PHP+exploits (about 128,000 hits) Windows == 63M Linux == 57M Debian== 16M Microsoft == 40M You can try to prove anything with numbers. :-) -- Jeremy D. Zawodny | Perl, Web, MySQL, Linux Magazine, Yahoo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jeremy.zawodny.com/
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 11:33:46PM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeremy D. Zawodny Subject: Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why? Why does the implementation language matter? Although not a very technical example, you can't ignore this: http://www.google.com/search?q=Perl+exploits (about 45,400 hits) http://www.google.com/search?q=PHP+exploits (about 128,000 hits) ahh, but http://www.google.com/search?q=mygol+exploits (1 hit) So use mygol instead! This mostly just shows the popularity of the language, which is a good thing. To be slightly more scientific about it, you need to divide the total lang+exploits hits by the lang hits. This gives; Perl: 40,000 / 13,500,000 = 0.29 % PHP : 129,000 / 183,000,000 = 0.07% Python : 12,300 / 5,080,000 = 0.24% These figures probably show more about how bad this method of assessing something is than anything else. There are so many factors that could bias these results, they are hardly worth looking at. The Python hits at first glance seem to be badly biased by the Exploits of Monty Python all over the web (2,840 sub-hits on Monty, which brings it down to 0.18%). The PHP and Perl results are probably slightly more indicative, and show PHP as significantly less exploited than Perl. It also shows PHP as significantly more popular than Perl. -- Donovan Baardahttp://minkirri.apana.org.au/~abo/
RE: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
-Original Message- From: Jeremy D. Zawodny Windows == 63M Linux == 57M Debian== 16M Microsoft == 40M You can try to prove anything with numbers. :-) What we as Debian users know as fact (MS+Win has security flaws) is mirrored in your numbers. Linux is bigger than one OS, and as such would be expected to have 'greater than one' numbers. Btw, OpenBSD exploits only googled 22,000 hits. ;) While googling is by no means an exact science, it is a measurement that has some weight. -Jim P.
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Wed, May 07, 2003 at 01:07:11AM -0400, Jim Popovitch wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeremy D. Zawodny Windows == 63M Linux == 57M Debian== 16M Microsoft == 40M You can try to prove anything with numbers. :-) What we as Debian users know as fact (MS+Win has security flaws) is mirrored in your numbers. Thanks for reinforcing my point. Those numbers have nothing to do with security. They were single word searches. -- Jeremy D. Zawodny | Perl, Web, MySQL, Linux Magazine, Yahoo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jeremy.zawodny.com/
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 05:46:49PM -0500, Rod Rodolico wrote: PHP has some problems, at least in the SquirrelMail arena. First I want to say I use it, like it, and my clients like it. But I've had to create some work-arounds. The one that is most striking is that it will not easily download attachments of any great size. Some of my clients have sent me attachments of up to 6M, and SquirrelMail will not handle that. It seems the memory for a PHP app must be set aside before it is loaded into Apache. I assume there is a reason such as not allowing it to break as easily, but SquirrelMail out of the package won't handle attachments much larger than 1.5M. Since it is easier to just mime decode the stupid things than to talk someone through FTP (some of my clients are, shall we say, less than technically apt), I either go to the server and manually decode it, or use Netscrape mail to fetch it off the server (then ask the client not to do that again). Increasing the amount of memory in the PHP config file did not help (I set aside 64M and still couldn't download it). You've got three parameters to tune: max_execution_time memory_limit post_max_size Depending of your application you will have to set the last two (or/and) at your max attachment size, and djust max_execution_time according to the time needed to upload this size ;-) Also, I have had SquirrelMail break on upgrades due to differences in the configuration format. This happened in testing, so is probably not a big problem (I run testing on my production server, yes, I know). It has (appearantly permenantly) lost the themes. I often prefer to maintain php app as source (without .deb helping)... -- Emmanuel Lacour Easter-eggs 44-46 rue de l'Ouest - 75014 Paris - France - Métro Gaité Phone: +33 (0) 1 43 35 00 37- Fax: +33 (0) 1 41 35 00 76 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -http://www.easter-eggs.com
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
Jeremy Zawodny wrote: Why does the implementation language matter? Do you care if your system binaries are written in C vs C++? Not at all, unless the implementation language causes limitations. I looked at SquirrelMail, but php4 is not supported with apache2. It also looked painful to get the php stuff set up in the web server when I was using plain apache. And IIRC it wanted to copy all the php stuff into /etc or /var/www or somewhere, which does not seem like it would make it easy to upgrade. I have settled on sqwebmail, which is very easy to set up if you use courier already. It has some nice features like user configurable filtering via maildrop, and gpg support. It also does not require javascript or anything of that ilk, and is a plain jane cgi program and not some nasty thing embedded in the web server. I can't give any real testomony past that as I am just in the process of rolling it out. -- see shy jo pgpb7RMb26SZK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Wed, 7 May 2003 11:48:24 -0400, Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I looked at SquirrelMail, but php4 is not supported with apache2. Yes it does. I'm testing the Apache/2.0.45 PHP/4.3.1 combination and it works like a charm. You'll notice a huge speedup in php scripts if you are upgrading from apache 1.x. squirrelmail.org does not recommend using apache2 with it, but I didn't have any problem so far. -- Koba
Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
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Thanks for the info.
Now I wonder why IMP3 have not a testing package... Would it be safe to use
it?
However... Is there any better web based mail?
Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
El Domingo, 20 de Abril de 2003 18:41, Ola Lundqvist escribió:
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:30:57PM +0200, Tomàs Núñez Lirola wrote:
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Hello
The imp debian package is depricated. You should really use the
imp3 packages from sarge. The support for imp2 (imp package) stopped
upstream over a year ago.
Regards,
// Ola (The imp package maintainer, but not imp3 :)
Hi
I think I've found a bug in IMP Debian package.
When I saved Full Name on preferences, IMP added a to the end of
the full name. Then, when I sent a message, the From: appeared
something like that:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I looked at the database and I found this in the Full Name field. I
looked where this string was added to the database and I found this
function ___
if (isset($fullname) ($fullname != $old_fullname)) {
// filter for existing quotes
if (substr($fullname, 0, 1) == '' substr($fullname, -1) == '') {
$fullname = substr($fullname, 1, -1);
}
// filter for illegal characters
$quoted = imap_rfc822_write_address('', '', $fullname);
$quoted = substr($quoted, 0, strlen($quoted)-4);
if (!(imp_set_fullname(addslashes($quoted), $imp-user,
$imp-server))) { $errormsg .= $lang-fullname_error; $updated = false;
}
}
___
I don't know a lot about PHP, so I don't fully understand this function,
but I changed the 8th line
$quoted = substr($quoted, 0, strlen($quoted)-4);
changing the -4 for a -5
$quoted = substr($quoted, 0, strlen($quoted)-5);
and now it works perfectly (I think).
My questions are:
Anyone faced this problem before? (In other words, is this a real bug or
it's only on my IMP?)
Should I inform IMP Debian package mantainer? Or IMP coders?
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Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
Hi, I use Squirrelmail from Woody as my prefered webmail. It's fast, easy to administer, nice, and with a lot of plugins. It handles a lot of imap4 folders (maildirs) with an average of 2000 mails per folder at home, with 5 users, in a P233MMX with 32 megs of RAM, and it's FAST. I have tried others, but with less features or ugly interfaces... Give it a try: http://www.squirrelmail.org Hope this help, Albert Tomàs Núñez Lirola dijo: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the info. Now I wonder why IMP3 have not a testing package... Would it be safe to use it? However... Is there any better web based mail? Which webmail do you prefer? Why? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+t39qGOU6HQZ81TcRAqXVAKCsGcUrtlRAk9F/b8Awcbf87HdfiACeNa4b PGIiLNSdzEsOVBral9M8Vvk=OSyt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Albert Teixidó Pub PGP key 0x0E16E76 Albert Teixidó [EMAIL PROTECTED] at pgp.rediris.es
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
Tomàs Núñez Lirola [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on Tue, 6 May 2003 11:24:55 +0200: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the info. Now I wonder why IMP3 have not a testing package... Would it be safe to use it? However... Is there any better web based mail? Which webmail do you prefer? Why? You don't need no package for IMP. Just download and install it from the Homepage (horde.org). It won't mess up your system because it's only PHP. I'm not really happy with it but it's the only webmail that works with my configuration and complies with my requirements (free, Maildir/IMAP support). If anybody has a suggestion what to use I'd be happy to hear your comments. I need an Webmail that works with Maildir or if this isn't possible with IMAP. IMP is a bit to overloaded in my opinion. Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regards Dominik Schulz
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts. Sounds weird, but it rocks. It's in PHP (I'd personally prefer perl) but it still works. I never could get imp to work properly, but I tried squirrel and eventually just forgot about imp horde. The communication with the server is over the IMAP protocol, so it doesn't actually matter which mail store format you use (or which IMAP server, for that matter, you could probably use exchange if it's got around to implementing IMAP properly yet). Try it out. I like it, my customers like it, and it rocks. Matthew King -- GIT/CM d+(-) s++:- a--? C UL$ P+++ L++ E++ W--$ N o? K++ w--- O-- M V? PS PE-- Y+++ PGP++@ t+ 5- X- R tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e(*) h!- r--- y-+++
RE: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
Due to customers like the interface, we run @Mail. See
http://www.webbasedemail.com
It's commercial though.
Dee
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From: Tomàs Núñez Lirola [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 1:25 AM
To: debian-isp@lists.debian.org
Subject: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
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Thanks for the info.
Now I wonder why IMP3 have not a testing package... Would it be safe to use
it?
However... Is there any better web based mail?
Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
El Domingo, 20 de Abril de 2003 18:41, Ola Lundqvist escribió:
On Thu, Apr 03, 2003 at 01:30:57PM +0200, Tomàs Núñez Lirola wrote:
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Hello
The imp debian package is depricated. You should really use the
imp3 packages from sarge. The support for imp2 (imp package) stopped
upstream over a year ago.
Regards,
// Ola (The imp package maintainer, but not imp3 :)
Hi
I think I've found a bug in IMP Debian package.
When I saved Full Name on preferences, IMP added a to the end of
the full name. Then, when I sent a message, the From: appeared
something like that:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I looked at the database and I found this in the Full Name field.
I
looked where this string was added to the database and I found this
function ___
if (isset($fullname) ($fullname != $old_fullname)) {
// filter for existing quotes
if (substr($fullname, 0, 1) == '' substr($fullname, -1) == '')
{
$fullname = substr($fullname, 1, -1);
}
// filter for illegal characters
$quoted = imap_rfc822_write_address('', '', $fullname);
$quoted = substr($quoted, 0, strlen($quoted)-4);
if (!(imp_set_fullname(addslashes($quoted), $imp-user,
$imp-server))) { $errormsg .= $lang-fullname_error; $updated = false;
}
}
___
I don't know a lot about PHP, so I don't fully understand this function,
but I changed the 8th line
$quoted = substr($quoted, 0, strlen($quoted)-4);
changing the -4 for a -5
$quoted = substr($quoted, 0, strlen($quoted)-5);
and now it works perfectly (I think).
My questions are:
Anyone faced this problem before? (In other words, is this a real bug or
it's only on my IMP?)
Should I inform IMP Debian package mantainer? Or IMP coders?
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Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, 6 May 2003, Dominik Schulz wrote: I need an Webmail that works with Maildir or if this isn't possible with IMAP. IMP is a bit to overloaded in my opinion. have you tried sqwebmail? .. i'm very happy with it!.. it accesses the maildirs directly, so you don't need any pop or imap server. (i use it with qmail vpopmail) greets Martin -- Martin Kos Handy +41-76-384-93-33 http://kos.li/ICQ# 13556143Fax +49-89-244-323-681 Say NO to HTML in mail Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux. See http://www.debian.org/
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Matthew King wrote: SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts. Sounds weird, but it rocks. It's in PHP (I'd personally prefer perl) but it still works. Why does the implementation language matter? Do you care if your system binaries are written in C vs C++? I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? Jeremy -- Jeremy D. Zawodny | Perl, Web, MySQL, Linux Magazine, Yahoo! [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://jeremy.zawodny.com/
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
It's emphasised bigotry. On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 11:13:05AM -0700, The voices made Jeremy Zawodny say: On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Matthew King wrote: It's in PHP (I'd personally prefer perl) but it still works. Why does the implementation language matter? Basically because I don't like PHP and I like (and more importantly - know) Perl. Do you care if your system binaries are written in C vs C++? No, but 1) they're compiled languages and 2) they're not that dissimilar (and I know them both :-) I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? Though yes, I am trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work. I don't know why, and it could quite easily just be me, but I've had a lot of issues with getting PHP sites to work (eg. imp and phpGW) At the end of the day, though, PHP vs Perl (vs Python), VI vs Emacs, C vs C++, BSD vs Linux, etc., etc., etc. They're all the same - boring. As a geek I have a million and one better things to do than argue why one tool is better than another. I have my opinions, but they're mine and not anyone elses. I do, however, find it rather amusing to see how easily my fellow geeks can be reduced to squabbling children. Not in this forum, though. Nosir. :-) Matthew -- GIT/CM d+(-) s++:- a--? C UL$ P+++ L++ E++ W--$ N o? K++ w--- O-- M V? PS PE-- Y+++ PGP++@ t+ 5- X- R tv b+++ DI++ D++ G e(*) h!- r--- y-+++
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
Jeremy Zawodny [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Matthew King wrote: SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts. Sounds weird, but it rocks. It's in PHP (I'd personally prefer perl) but it still works. Why does the implementation language matter? Do you care if your system binaries are written in C vs C++? Yes. Certainly, I care whether they're written in a systems programming language (C, C++), a good stable interpreted language (Python, Perl), or somebody's favorite toy language with semantics resembling a language best left on the dustheap of the eighties (Copy on read? What were they thinking?). I'd rather have an SSH server written in a garbage-collected language with mandatory bounds checking, for example: on those machines which aren't terminal servers, OpenSSH's has about ten times as much code as I'd like. I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? Yes. PHP's not Ultimate Evil, it's just kind of chintzy: * It's a special-purpose language, but used to write large applications. General purpose languages tend to pick up more mindshare, attract better programmers, and pick up more eyeballs skimming for bugs. Their code's more maintainable, too. * The language was never planned. PHP is still at the stage Perl was with Perl 4: a bunch of Neat Features without any idea of what happens when you use them all at once. * Because of its niche, it picks up an unusually high proportion of poor programmers. This doesn't affect any *particular* program -- I use SquirrelMail myself, and love it -- it's just that PHP is as much of a warning sign to me when looking at a programmer's resume as seeing one published piece of software, an IRC client. * It's very easy to use PHP insecurely. This is compounded by the PHP engine's security record. So what does this mean for you, as an ISP considering two web-interface applications, one written in PHP, and the other in Perl (say, with Mason)? You have reason to be more nervous about the machine the PHP app is on, and you'll have to search more widely and examine candidates more closely when finding maintenance programmers. -Brian -- Brian T. Sniffen[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.evenmere.org/~bts/
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 11:13:05AM -0700, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Matthew King wrote: SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts. Sounds weird, but it rocks. It's in PHP (I'd personally prefer perl) but it still works. Why does the implementation language matter? Do you care if your system binaries are written in C vs C++? I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? I'm not the OP, but I'm guessing he's referring to the fact that it's far more likely that you're going to tweak a web-app than some system binary. Therefore, implementation does matter. Also, many people are already running mod_perl; it's nicer to leverage that than to configure additional modules. In my expereince, mod_perl + apache interaction is more stable than PHP + apache, especially across upgrades. -- Nathan Norman - Incanus Networking mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] prepBut nI vrbLike adjHungarian! qWhat's artThe adjBig nProblem? -- alec flett @netscape
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 11:13:05AM -0700, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? I just think that's because he like perl and is more confortable with perl than php so he prefer to have perl softwares... of course, it's not really interesting to have bash written in perl, but a webmail is often modified for own purpose so a known (and easy for you) language could be one think to consider in such a choice. That's my analyze, and I agree with me ;-) -- Emmanuel Lacour Easter-eggs 44-46 rue de l'Ouest - 75014 Paris - France - Métro Gaité Phone: +33 (0) 1 43 35 00 37- Fax: +33 (0) 1 41 35 00 76 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -http://www.easter-eggs.com
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
PHP has some problems, at least in the SquirrelMail arena. First I want to say I use it, like it, and my clients like it. But I've had to create some work-arounds. The one that is most striking is that it will not easily download attachments of any great size. Some of my clients have sent me attachments of up to 6M, and SquirrelMail will not handle that. It seems the memory for a PHP app must be set aside before it is loaded into Apache. I assume there is a reason such as not allowing it to break as easily, but SquirrelMail out of the package won't handle attachments much larger than 1.5M. Since it is easier to just mime decode the stupid things than to talk someone through FTP (some of my clients are, shall we say, less than technically apt), I either go to the server and manually decode it, or use Netscrape mail to fetch it off the server (then ask the client not to do that again). Increasing the amount of memory in the PHP config file did not help (I set aside 64M and still couldn't download it). Also, I have had SquirrelMail break on upgrades due to differences in the configuration format. This happened in testing, so is probably not a big problem (I run testing on my production server, yes, I know). It has (appearantly permenantly) lost the themes. I'd suggest installing SquirrelMail, but be prepared to get your hands dirty a little. Great little program and there are tons of add-on modules you can, but don't have to, install. I especially like the fortune module. :) Perl vs PHP? I'm a Perl programmer, and have a bias. But, it seems PHP is more prone to breaking. However, whether it is a problem with the language or a problem with the type of programmers using it, I don't know. VisualBasic is actually a pretty good language, but the programmers who use it are generally not professionals or experienced, so you get lower quality software as a result. SquirrelMail is, as far as I've seen, done by some programmers who know what they are doing, and it is pretty stable. Rod On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 11:13:05AM -0700, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? I just think that's because he like perl and is more confortable with perl than php so he prefer to have perl softwares... of course, it's not really interesting to have bash written in perl, but a webmail is often modified for own purpose so a known (and easy for you) language could be one think to consider in such a choice. That's my analyze, and I agree with me ;-) -- Emmanuel Lacour Easter-eggs 44-46 rue de l'Ouest - 75014 Paris - France - Métro Gaité Phone: +33 (0) 1 43 35 00 37- Fax: +33 (0) 1 41 35 00 76 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -http://www.easter-eggs.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ameobit, noun- Ameoba/Rabbit cross. It can multiply and divide simultaneously.
Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 20:13, Jeremy Zawodny wrote: On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 02:23:58PM +0100, Matthew King wrote: SquirrelMail. Webmail for nuts. Sounds weird, but it rocks. It's in PHP (I'd personally prefer perl) but it still works. Why does the implementation language matter? Do you care if your system binaries are written in C vs C++? I always wonder what people really mean when they say things like that--especially in this sort of context. Can you clarify why it matters? Are you trying to imply that PHP software is less likely to work? I like it when I can go and have a look in the code and understand what is being said. I don't speak X, I do speak Y. So I would prefer(!) my app. of choice to be written in Y. tinus.
RE: Which webmail do you prefer? Why?
-Original Message- From: Jeremy D. Zawodny Subject: Re: Which webmail do you prefer? Why? Why does the implementation language matter? Although not a very technical example, you can't ignore this: http://www.google.com/search?q=Perl+exploits (about 45,400 hits) http://www.google.com/search?q=PHP+exploits (about 128,000 hits) -Jim P.
Re: webmail
On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:34:26PM -0600, Rod Rodolico wrote: I am using SquirrelMail to provide web based e-mail for my clients. I used to use NeoMail and have investigated phpGroupWare. SquirrelMail also has a (currently broken) nice calendar and some other add-in modules which is nice. Any suggestions of other packages I should investigate? imp3, even if it is only in sarge. Imp is the old version and the one one in stable. Regards, // Ola Also, I use usermin to give clients the ability to modify passwords, vacation replies, etc... (maildir support stinks, however). Suggestions on this would be appreciated also. Rod -- 1.79 x 10^12 furlongs per fortnight -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- - Ola Lundqvist --- / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Annebergsslingan 37 \ | [EMAIL PROTECTED] 654 65 KARLSTAD | | +46 (0)54-10 14 30 +46 (0)70-332 1551 | | http://www.opal.dhs.org UIN/icq: 4912500 | \ gpg/f.p.: 7090 A92B 18FE 7994 0C36 4FE4 18A1 B1CF 0FE5 3DD9 / --- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I am using SquirrelMail to provide web based e-mail for my clients. I used to use NeoMail and have investigated phpGroupWare. SquirrelMail also has a (currently broken) nice calendar and some other add-in modules which is nice. Any suggestions of other packages I should investigate? Also, I use usermin to give clients the ability to modify passwords, vacation replies, etc... (maildir support stinks, however). Suggestions on this would be appreciated also. Rod -- 1.79 x 10^12 furlongs per fortnight -- it's not just a good idea, it's the law! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:34:26 -0600 (CST) Rod Rodolico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using SquirrelMail to provide web based e-mail for my clients. I used to use NeoMail and have investigated phpGroupWare. SquirrelMail also has a(currently broken) nice calendar and some other add-in modules which is nice. Any suggestions of other packages I should investigate? Also, I use usermin to give clients the ability to modify passwords, vacation replies, etc... (maildir support stinks, however). Suggestions on this would be appreciated also. Rod I've recently begun using Openwebmail (I Believe it's based on NeoMail) and have been_very_ satisfied with it. Multiple authentication schemes, pop3 support, virtual hosting support, flexible configuration, Calendar (Though the calendar isn't very pretty). Every time I think oh man, I wish it did this It turns out that it does and it's just a config option away. Openwebmail can even (If configured properly) allow users to change passwords and such. -- Dustin Douglas -- Free The Lapland Six!!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 09:53:49PM +0200, Dieter Heiliger wrote: I built vpopmail and sqwebmail successfully now. I did not use the Debian source packages any longer but the more current versions from www.inter7.com - as some of you suggested. And now the combination of qmail, vpopmail and sqwebmail works. Once again: Thanks to everyone who contributed. You are welcome ;-) I'm in the process of building debian/woody packages containing the most recent versions of vpopmail and vpopmail-enabled courier. Unfortunately it may take a few extra weeks since I'm involved in many other projects. I'll keep you informed just in case ;-) Best regards, -- Theodor Milkov Administrator IP Networks Davidov Electric Ltd.Phone: +359 (2) 730158 PGP: http://www.zimage.delbg.com/zimage.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Theodor et al.! First of all: Thanks for all the mails and hints! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access Just what I use down here on the farm ;-) qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. It (recompilation) works for me with just trivial changes to ./configure line in debian/rules. What kind of problem do you have? I built vpopmail and sqwebmail successfully now. I did not use the Debian source packages any longer but the more current versions from www.inter7.com - as some of you suggested. And now the combination of qmail, vpopmail and sqwebmail works. Once again: Thanks to everyone who contributed. Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
On Mon, Jun 24, 2002 at 09:53:49PM +0200, Dieter Heiliger wrote: I built vpopmail and sqwebmail successfully now. I did not use the Debian source packages any longer but the more current versions from www.inter7.com - as some of you suggested. And now the combination of qmail, vpopmail and sqwebmail works. Once again: Thanks to everyone who contributed. You are welcome ;-) I'm in the process of building debian/woody packages containing the most recent versions of vpopmail and vpopmail-enabled courier. Unfortunately it may take a few extra weeks since I'm involved in many other projects. I'll keep you informed just in case ;-) Best regards, -- Theodor Milkov Administrator IP Networks Davidov Electric Ltd.Phone: +359 (2) 730158 PGP: http://www.zimage.delbg.com/zimage.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
I'm in the process of building debian/woody packages containing the most recent versions of vpopmail and vpopmail-enabled courier. Unfortunately it may take a few extra weeks since I'm involved in many other projects. I'll keep you informed just in case ;-) Best regards, I thought Sanjay (please excuse me if I got your name wrong, as the last time I communicated with you was a year ago and I am working from memory) created the original vpopmail debs? So insteaed of recreating the wheel, why not start from there instead? I know that perhaps the latest vpopmail stuff is incompatible with the previous, but at least it may help to have a base to start from. On another note... do you plan on making it easy for those of us using the previous older vpopmails? We use the vpopmail packages, and it would be terrible if we had to manually upgrade each box. Perhaps some sort of upgrade script or program, or SOME way to upgrade as painlessly as possible? I am sure those of us using the existing vpopmail implementation would be greatful (at least I would!). Thanks. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hello, Phpgroupware does look intersting. Quoting Alejandro Borges [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Kayive a phpgroupware that does this very well with a little tweaking on phpgw's email client (the default wont do) documented tweaking ? Best [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
El dom, 23-06-2002 a las 05:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Hello, Phpgroupware does look intersting. Glad you think so! documented tweaking ? Glad you asked...:-\.. Um no, docs are pretty limited for deployment (but abundant for end users).assisted tweaking in #phpgroupware and #axisgroupware (my nick is lex there if you want to ask for me)... But you can start by dl'ding the source for phpgroupware RC3 (forget the debs for now), doing cvs update on the root of the source, and looking at it (docs for complete installation in the doc directory) Phpgroupware supports at least three email clients: a squirrelmail derivative (which will best support imap rather than POP3) called felamimail, the native client (which is, as of now, deprecated but functional for small sites) and anglesmail (which is what i use, made by Angles Puglisi -hacker extraordinaire- and you can get it and its great docs at www.anglemail.com) I try to help as much as possible in testing the thing and anglemail has been/is being tested in production environments for 400+ heavy email users, felamimail has been tested for 3000 users (and it has had a bunch of other tests) in another kind of envirnoment. As this are relatively new deployments, they are not thoroughly documented (one of them is mine so i have to find an excuse) but the deployers (such as myself) are somehow friendly depending on the day of the week and/or phase of the moon. Alex B Step One Group www.sogrp.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. In case you give up on sqwebmail, I can really advise you to use squirrelmail. I use it in a production env running potato and woody and it works fine together with qmail and courier-imap (using auth from qmail). With kind regards, Wim Fournier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi, Please take a look at Bill's toaster at http://shupp.org/toaster/. It contains all the things you want, and more: - Qmail SMTP Mail Server with SMTP-AUTH (Plain, CRAM-MD5), TLS (SSL) support, and optional Virus Scanner. - POP3 Server with APOP and SSL support - IMAP Server with TLS (SSL) support - WebMail Server - Quota Support (usage viewable by webmail) - Autoresponder - Mailing Lists - Web-Based Email Administration The installation is very well documented in a nice copy-'n-paste howto. Have fun! Pim Effting Van: Dieter Heiliger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 2002/06/21 vr AM 10:21:41 GMT+02:00 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Onderwerp: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:21:41AM +0200, Dieter Heiliger wrote: Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access Just what I use down here on the farm ;-) qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. It (recompilation) works for me with just trivial changes to ./configure line in debian/rules. What kind of problem do you have? vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? -- Theodor Milkov Administrator IP Networks Davidov Net Phone: +359 (2) 730158 PGP: http://www.zimage.delbg.com/zimage.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Theodor! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access Just what I use down here on the farm ;-) Good to hear! qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. It (recompilation) works for me with just trivial changes to ./configure line in debian/rules. What kind of problem do you have? I installed vpopmail binary package from unstable (it is not included in woody). dpkg --list *vpopmail* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un libvpopmail-ba none (no description available) ii libvpopmail-de 4.9.9-1vpopmail development files ii libvpopmail-fr 4.9.9-1vpopmail mysql plugin un libvpopmail0 none (no description available) ii libvpopmail1 4.9.9-1vpopmail libraries un vpopmail none (no description available) ii vpopmail-bin 4.9.9-1vpopmail binaries ii vpopmail-doc 4.9.9-1vpopmail documentation Afterwards I tried to build sqwebmail from the debian source package. I changed the rules file: --with-authvchkpw --without-authdaemon This leads to the following error during build: echo '#include /var/lib/vpopmail/include/config.h' vpopmail_config.h gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/var/lib/vpopmail/include -lcrypt -Wall -I.. -I./.. -c authvchkpw.c authvchkpw.c: In function `auth_vchkpw_changepass': authvchkpw.c:142: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type authvchkpw.c:151: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type authvchkpw.c:151: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make[2]: *** [authvchkpw.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/authlib' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3' make: *** [build] Error 2 I found numerous occurences of this error message on Google and groups.google.com - unfortunately all without replies. :-( What does your working rules file look like? TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Dieter Heiliger wrote: cut I installed vpopmail binary package from unstable (it is not included in woody). dpkg --list *vpopmail* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un libvpopmail-ba none (no description available) ii libvpopmail-de 4.9.9-1vpopmail development files ii libvpopmail-fr 4.9.9-1vpopmail mysql plugin un libvpopmail0 none (no description available) ii libvpopmail1 4.9.9-1vpopmail libraries un vpopmail none (no description available) ii vpopmail-bin 4.9.9-1vpopmail binaries ii vpopmail-doc 4.9.9-1vpopmail documentation Unfortunately the vpopmail package provided in sid is too old. courier/sqwebmail included in woody requires newer version. I personaly used to download/compile vpopmail 5.2.1 from www.inter7.com. The downside is that I have not debianized version of this newer vpopmail - just copypaste ./configure lines from debian/rules and copy by hand init.d/vpopmail script from sid's debianized vpopmail. Best regards, -- Theodor Milkov Administrator IP Networks Davidov Net Phone: +359 (2) 730158 PGP: http://www.zimage.delbg.com/zimage.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Theodor et al.! I installed vpopmail binary package from unstable (it is not included in woody). dpkg --list *vpopmail* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un libvpopmail-ba none (no description available) ii libvpopmail-de 4.9.9-1vpopmail development files ii libvpopmail-fr 4.9.9-1vpopmail mysql plugin un libvpopmail0 none (no description available) ii libvpopmail1 4.9.9-1vpopmail libraries un vpopmail none (no description available) ii vpopmail-bin 4.9.9-1vpopmail binaries ii vpopmail-doc 4.9.9-1vpopmail documentation Unfortunately the vpopmail package provided in sid is too old. courier/sqwebmail included in woody requires newer version. I personaly used to download/compile vpopmail 5.2.1 from www.inter7.com. The downside is that I have not debianized version of this newer vpopmail - just copypaste ./configure lines from debian/rules and copy by hand init.d/vpopmail script from sid's debianized vpopmail. I did that (download vpopmail source from inter7.com, copy configure line from the Debian source package's rules file, make, make install). Afterwards the build of sqwebmail from the Debian source package seemed to go fine, but failed not very far from the end: c++ -I./.. -I.. -I./../afx -I./../rfc822 -I./libs -Wall -g -O2 -o courierd cddrvinfo.o cddlvrhost.o cddelinfo.o cdmsgq.o cdmsgq2.o cdmsgq3.o cdpendelinfo.o cdrcptinfo.o courierdb.o courierd.o libs/libmodule.a module.uucp/.libs/librewrite.a module.local/.libs/librewrite.a module.esmtp/.libs/librewrite.a module.dsn/.libs/librewrite.a libs/libcommon.a libs/libcourier.a ../authlib/libauth.a ../rfc822/librfc822.a ../numlib/libnumlib.a ../userdb/libuserdb.a ../gdbmobj/libgdbmobj.a ../libhmac/libhmac.a ../md5/libmd5.a ../sha1/libsha1.a -lpam -lm -L/var/lib/vpopmail/lib /usr/lib/libvpopmail.so -lfreecdb -lfreecdbmake -ldl /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so -lnsl -lgdbm -lcrypt ../afx/libafx.a ../liblock/liblock.a ../tcpd/libspipe.a ../soxwrap/libsoxwrap.a -lgdbm ../authlib/libauth.a(preauthvchkpw.o): In function `auth_vchkpw_pre': preauthvchkpw.o(.text+0x118): undefined reference to `vset_lastauth' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [courierd] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/courier' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/courier' make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/courier' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3' make: *** [build] Error 2 Any idea? TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
High dieter, Kayive a phpgroupware that does this very well with a little tweaking on phpgw's email client (the default wont do) Vpopmail can be tricky, but just follow the isntructions on their site (the debs have never worked fo us) and youll be fineactually its a pretty nifty solution check www.phpgroupware.org El vie, 21-06-2002 a las 02:21, Dieter Heiliger escribió: Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
I currently run 2 systems with qmail/vpopmail/courier-imap and squirrelmail. The only thing installed from source is vpopmail and courier-imap (no working .deb's) but the default squirrelmail works just fine. The user just has to enter the entire email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a username. I have had no problems with this configuration. It all worked the first time and hasn't broke yet... I run the imap on localhost so only the webmail system can get at it. Loren At 01:08 PM 6/21/2002 -0600, Alejandro Borges wrote: High dieter, Kayive a phpgroupware that does this very well with a little tweaking on phpgw's email client (the default wont do) Vpopmail can be tricky, but just follow the isntructions on their site (the debs have never worked fo us) and youll be fineactually its a pretty nifty solution check www.phpgroupware.org El vie, 21-06-2002 a las 02:21, Dieter Heiliger escribió: Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. In case you give up on sqwebmail, I can really advise you to use squirrelmail. I use it in a production env running potato and woody and it works fine together with qmail and courier-imap (using auth from qmail). With kind regards, Wim Fournier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi, Please take a look at Bill's toaster at http://shupp.org/toaster/. It contains all the things you want, and more: - Qmail SMTP Mail Server with SMTP-AUTH (Plain, CRAM-MD5), TLS (SSL) support, and optional Virus Scanner. - POP3 Server with APOP and SSL support - IMAP Server with TLS (SSL) support - WebMail Server - Quota Support (usage viewable by webmail) - Autoresponder - Mailing Lists - Web-Based Email Administration The installation is very well documented in a nice copy-'n-paste howto. Have fun! Pim Effting Van: Dieter Heiliger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Datum: 2002/06/21 vr AM 10:21:41 GMT+02:00 Aan: debian-isp@lists.debian.org Onderwerp: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:21:41AM +0200, Dieter Heiliger wrote: Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access Just what I use down here on the farm ;-) qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. It (recompilation) works for me with just trivial changes to ./configure line in debian/rules. What kind of problem do you have? vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? -- Theodor Milkov Administrator IP Networks Davidov Net Phone: +359 (2) 730158 PGP: http://www.zimage.delbg.com/zimage.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Theodor! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access Just what I use down here on the farm ;-) Good to hear! qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. It (recompilation) works for me with just trivial changes to ./configure line in debian/rules. What kind of problem do you have? I installed vpopmail binary package from unstable (it is not included in woody). dpkg --list *vpopmail* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un libvpopmail-ba none (no description available) ii libvpopmail-de 4.9.9-1vpopmail development files ii libvpopmail-fr 4.9.9-1vpopmail mysql plugin un libvpopmail0 none (no description available) ii libvpopmail1 4.9.9-1vpopmail libraries un vpopmail none (no description available) ii vpopmail-bin 4.9.9-1vpopmail binaries ii vpopmail-doc 4.9.9-1vpopmail documentation Afterwards I tried to build sqwebmail from the debian source package. I changed the rules file: --with-authvchkpw --without-authdaemon This leads to the following error during build: echo '#include /var/lib/vpopmail/include/config.h' vpopmail_config.h gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I. -I/var/lib/vpopmail/include -lcrypt -Wall -I.. -I./.. -c authvchkpw.c authvchkpw.c: In function `auth_vchkpw_changepass': authvchkpw.c:142: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type authvchkpw.c:151: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type authvchkpw.c:151: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type make[2]: *** [authvchkpw.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/authlib' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3' make: *** [build] Error 2 I found numerous occurences of this error message on Google and groups.google.com - unfortunately all without replies. :-( What does your working rules file look like? TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:36:05AM +0200, Dieter Heiliger wrote: cut I installed vpopmail binary package from unstable (it is not included in woody). dpkg --list *vpopmail* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un libvpopmail-ba none (no description available) ii libvpopmail-de 4.9.9-1vpopmail development files ii libvpopmail-fr 4.9.9-1vpopmail mysql plugin un libvpopmail0 none (no description available) ii libvpopmail1 4.9.9-1vpopmail libraries un vpopmail none (no description available) ii vpopmail-bin 4.9.9-1vpopmail binaries ii vpopmail-doc 4.9.9-1vpopmail documentation Unfortunately the vpopmail package provided in sid is too old. courier/sqwebmail included in woody requires newer version. I personaly used to download/compile vpopmail 5.2.1 from www.inter7.com. The downside is that I have not debianized version of this newer vpopmail - just copypaste ./configure lines from debian/rules and copy by hand init.d/vpopmail script from sid's debianized vpopmail. Best regards, -- Theodor Milkov Administrator IP Networks Davidov Net Phone: +359 (2) 730158 PGP: http://www.zimage.delbg.com/zimage.asc -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
Hi Theodor et al.! I installed vpopmail binary package from unstable (it is not included in woody). dpkg --list *vpopmail* Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name VersionDescription +++-==-==- un libvpopmail-ba none (no description available) ii libvpopmail-de 4.9.9-1vpopmail development files ii libvpopmail-fr 4.9.9-1vpopmail mysql plugin un libvpopmail0 none (no description available) ii libvpopmail1 4.9.9-1vpopmail libraries un vpopmail none (no description available) ii vpopmail-bin 4.9.9-1vpopmail binaries ii vpopmail-doc 4.9.9-1vpopmail documentation Unfortunately the vpopmail package provided in sid is too old. courier/sqwebmail included in woody requires newer version. I personaly used to download/compile vpopmail 5.2.1 from www.inter7.com. The downside is that I have not debianized version of this newer vpopmail - just copypaste ./configure lines from debian/rules and copy by hand init.d/vpopmail script from sid's debianized vpopmail. I did that (download vpopmail source from inter7.com, copy configure line from the Debian source package's rules file, make, make install). Afterwards the build of sqwebmail from the Debian source package seemed to go fine, but failed not very far from the end: c++ -I./.. -I.. -I./../afx -I./../rfc822 -I./libs -Wall -g -O2 -o courierd cddrvinfo.o cddlvrhost.o cddelinfo.o cdmsgq.o cdmsgq2.o cdmsgq3.o cdpendelinfo.o cdrcptinfo.o courierdb.o courierd.o libs/libmodule.a module.uucp/.libs/librewrite.a module.local/.libs/librewrite.a module.esmtp/.libs/librewrite.a module.dsn/.libs/librewrite.a libs/libcommon.a libs/libcourier.a ../authlib/libauth.a ../rfc822/librfc822.a ../numlib/libnumlib.a ../userdb/libuserdb.a ../gdbmobj/libgdbmobj.a ../libhmac/libhmac.a ../md5/libmd5.a ../sha1/libsha1.a -lpam -lm -L/var/lib/vpopmail/lib /usr/lib/libvpopmail.so -lfreecdb -lfreecdbmake -ldl /usr/lib/libmysqlclient.so -lnsl -lgdbm -lcrypt ../afx/libafx.a ../liblock/liblock.a ../tcpd/libspipe.a ../soxwrap/libsoxwrap.a -lgdbm ../authlib/libauth.a(preauthvchkpw.o): In function `auth_vchkpw_pre': preauthvchkpw.o(.text+0x118): undefined reference to `vset_lastauth' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[4]: *** [courierd] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/courier' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/courier' make[2]: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3/courier' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/tmp/courier-0.37.3' make: *** [build] Error 2 Any idea? TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
High dieter, Kayive a phpgroupware that does this very well with a little tweaking on phpgw's email client (the default wont do) Vpopmail can be tricky, but just follow the isntructions on their site (the debs have never worked fo us) and youll be fineactually its a pretty nifty solution check www.phpgroupware.org El vie, 21-06-2002 a las 02:21, Dieter Heiliger escribió: Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Looking for qmail, vpopmail, webmail solution
I currently run 2 systems with qmail/vpopmail/courier-imap and squirrelmail. The only thing installed from source is vpopmail and courier-imap (no working .deb's) but the default squirrelmail works just fine. The user just has to enter the entire email address [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a username. I have had no problems with this configuration. It all worked the first time and hasn't broke yet... I run the imap on localhost so only the webmail system can get at it. Loren At 01:08 PM 6/21/2002 -0600, Alejandro Borges wrote: High dieter, Kayive a phpgroupware that does this very well with a little tweaking on phpgw's email client (the default wont do) Vpopmail can be tricky, but just follow the isntructions on their site (the debs have never worked fo us) and youll be fineactually its a pretty nifty solution check www.phpgroupware.org El vie, 21-06-2002 a las 02:21, Dieter Heiliger escribió: Hi Gurus! I am trying to set up a mail toaster on a Debian Woody system. Here are the requirements: - qmail - pop3 - pop3 authentification _not_ against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow - virtual pop3 users - webmail access qmail is installed and works fine. I tried to implement vpopmail and sqwebmail, but I was not able to get it to work. The sqwebmail debian package does not come with vpopmail authentification included. My attempts to build it from the source package with modified rules file all failed. vpopmail as such works in combination with the pop3 server. sqwebmail works with authentification against /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow. Did anyone out there already implement qmail/vpopmail/sqwebmail successfully and can give me some hints? Are there any other combinations of applications that meet the requirements (Debian packaged preferred)? Any help is highly appreciated! TIA Dieter -- Dieter Heiliger | [EMAIL PROTECTED] (private) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (business) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
Hi Russell, I've tested all webmailers, I've heard of. 90% are total crap. As others already said, there are only a few useable webmailer. I would recommmend squirrelmail, because it has some (at least for me) important features, the others haven't: - search all subfolders for new mails (very important if you use a big IMAP tree and sort the mails on delivery via procmail, etc.) - It has a useable search engine ... Regards Michael Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. pgpbp6fNqddvP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: webmail
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 11:09:44PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? courier's sqwebmail is not too bad. reasonably fast, quite configurable. it goes direct to each user's Maildir/ spool. this could be good or it could be bad, depending on your setup. i don't think it has an IMAP or POP option, but i could be wrong on that. worth a look, anyway. it's packaged for debian. There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, the thing that pissed me off with IMP was that it was so fragile. upgrading it could break it. upgrading php or apache could break it. upgrading something (seemingly) unrelated could break it. just thinking about upgrading something on a different machine could break it. it was a major hassle keeping the damn thing running just for the handful of staff members who insisted that they needed it. and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. imp stores user prefs, address books, etc in postgres (or mysql). How do the other webmail systems compare? i've used IMP and sqwebmail, looked briefly at several others. so far, i prefer sqwebmail. truth is, i don't like any of them, they all suck (but that's partly because i think that a web application is an inherently crappy way of accessing email)...so my preference for sqwebmail is from the POV of someone who dislikes web mail apps but was required to set one up. sqwebmail is minimal hassle to set up and keep running, and does the job about as well as it's possible to do (i.e. badly rather than abysmally). Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. it has some sort of optional calendar feature. no idea how good it is, or whether it works with outlook or not. i think it's just a web groupware calendar thing. craig -- craig sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fabricati Diem, PVNC. -- motto of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
Neomail is quite good as a web interface for email. Send, Receive and import address book from csv. http://neomail.sourceforge.net/ Works well with debian. Bill Lumsden Widebay Internet http://widebay.net.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
At 11:09 PM 16/06/02 +0200, Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? We have used sqwebmail for well over a year now with no problems. I use the web interface myself when I am travelling of on a slow modem connection and it does everything I need. Russell, if you would like me to set up an account for you to have a look at let me know. Cheers Garry Garry Byrne Highway Internet Services. http://hwy.com.au -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 23:09:44 +0200, Russell Coker writes: What's a good webmail system to use? squirrelmail has proved the least painful (they _all_ are) for me. There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? I've had acmemail running for some time, but it's bugginess and _slw_ness closely resemble certain MS-prdoucts. All the others I've had a look at required something I'm not willing to install on my servers, so it got to be one that's either perl, C, or PHP, and actually _works_. squirrelmail was the only one I could find which matched those requirements, but YMMV, of course. cheers, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / pgprIB1Qxnoi8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: webmail
I have been using PHPGroupware for a while now and it has been very easy to setup and maintain. Works with a lot of IMAP servers, LDAP support + all the (un)useful apps that come with the package. I think it is also debianized :-) - Original Message - From: Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gerard MacNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Debian ISP debian-isp@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 1:49 AM Subject: Re: webmail On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:41, Gerard MacNeil wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? I have tried most Debianized Webmail package combinations. For only email and throwing in calendaring support, you are describing the sqwebmail with courier-pcp (Personal Calendaring Protocol). The sqlwebmail package actually has the documentation for PCP. It is a logical extension to also use the courier-imap and pop servers which will also require the courier-authdaemon package. OTOH, that gives you a basketful of authentication mechanisms. Sounds like the first thing for me to test then. I'm happily using courier POP and IMAP on all my servers... Thanks! Also thanks Alexander for the list of all the servers, I'll check them out if sqwebmail doesn't do the job for me. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
I have a list and some notes of web-based email clients at http://www.reedmedia.net/misc/mail/web-based.html (That reminds me ... I have a six pages of notes from testing six of them around here somewhere.) Jeremy C. Reed echo '9,J8HD,[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]@5GBIELD54DL@8L?:5GDEJ8LDG1' |\ sed ss,s50EBsg | tr 0-M 'p.wBt SgiIlxmLhan:o,erDsduv/cyP' -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
webmail
What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
On Jun 16, Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? [snipped] not all of them are debianized however recently in preparation of a big service server I'm setting up soon I looked into webmail stuff and trawled through *every* one on freshmeat :) heres the list (well actually the e-mail I sent to my friends who are involved in the 'project'): --- if we are doing all this fancy e-mail stuff with tacobell it may be worth considering setting up a web-based e-mail thing. Especially if you are planning on telling your friends about the 'service'. Most won't like using a UNIX mail client 'fun' and they probably don't want to use an IMAP/POP account. Some of these clients are *very* nice, others less so. I would recommend, if you consider this a good idea, is to have several/all running on the machine at first and then after a period of trial testing we select the one we all love the most :) Before I hand out a stack of links to them heres some interesting bits that could help enchance the 'experience' of webmail: http://wuming.it/wap/ (WAP access) http://www.sanisoft.com/wappop/ (WAP access) http://www.verelst.net/outlook.html (access outlook accounts via our thing transparently) And heres the list of them (review page http://www.cru.fr/http-mail/): http://ilohamail.org/main.php http://www.horde.org/imp/ http://jawmail.sourceforge.net/index.php http://neomail.sourceforge.net/ http://webmail.omnis.ch/omail.pl?action=3Dabout http://openwebmail.org/ http://www.phpgroupware.org/index.php http://phorecast.org/ http://ractive.ch/popper/index.php http://prometheus.zerodivide.net/apps/pimp/ http://www.squirrelmail.org/ http://www.trlinux.com/ http://twig.screwdriver.net/ http://www.uebimiau.sili.com.br/ Tell me what you lot think and we will deal with it, this collection was made up from trawling freshmeat.net. So if you are looking for other ones I would use freshmeat. :) Alex -- most of the above have a 'preview' feature you can use on their website. And there are definately one or two very professional GPL ones which have calender support. have fun Alex -- ___ / All things being equal, you are bound \ \ to lose. / --- \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || pgpulaTSfxKDb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: webmail
Hello On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 10:22:39PM +0100, Alexander Clouter wrote: not all of them are debianized however recently in preparation of a big service server I'm setting up soon I looked into webmail stuff and trawled through *every* one on freshmeat :) Wow, great work! Useful would also be remarks about * how fast it is (does it feel sluggish?) * how good it deals with *big* multipart mime mails (people like to send 50MB Excel sheets via mail. Crashes some of those systems.. * activeness of development (sometimes noted). You could maybe add those fields and ask people visiting your web page for their experiences to complete them... anyways, please don't remove this page, I will surely need it soon :-)) bye, -christian- -- Christian HammersWESTEND GmbH - Aachen und Dueren Tel 0241/701333-0 ch@westend.com Internet Security for ProfessionalsFax 0241/911879 WESTEND ist CISCO Systems Partner - Authorized Reseller -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
On Jun 17, Christian Hammers wrote: Wow, great work! Useful would also be remarks about * how fast it is (does it feel sluggish?) * how good it deals with *big* multipart mime mails (people like to send 50MB Excel sheets via mail. Crashes some of those systems.. * activeness of development (sometimes noted). You could maybe add those fields and ask people visiting your web page for their experiences to complete them... anyways, please don't remove this page, I will surely need it soon :-)) well the review page wasn't done by me, it was something I came across whilst looking for suitable webmail services :) The ones I was interested in seemed easy enough to set up and so it shouldn't be difficult to test them and remove them without feeling you have put wasted work into your 'testing'. As for the sluggish factor as I mentioned there are online 'previews' and usually an indication to what hardware is underneath the webserver (if not I think useful information can be extracted from the HTTP headers) so you know what sort of hardware you need to 'hide' the sluggishness. have fun and let me know what you find out about them. I'm yet to personally test them until we get our domain registered and the e-mails coming in :) Alex -- / Fortune finishes the great quotations, \ | #3 | || | Birds of a feather flock to a newly| \ washed car./ \ ^__^ \ (oo)\___ (__)\ )\/\ ||w | || || pgpmduzMFWekt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: webmail
On Sun, 2002-06-16 at 18:09, Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. I have tried most Debianized Webmail package combinations. For only email and throwing in calendaring support, you are describing the sqwebmail with courier-pcp (Personal Calendaring Protocol). The sqlwebmail package actually has the documentation for PCP. It is a logical extension to also use the courier-imap and pop servers which will also require the courier-authdaemon package. OTOH, that gives you a basketful of authentication mechanisms. Disclaimer: I have not used courier-pcp (yet) and have not had the courier packages under load. However, all courier packages install cleanly (woody), are relatively easy to configure, and of course, use the Maildir storage format. The calendar goes in there as well. The IMAP/POP combination was the only combined solution I found without some sort of conflict or complexity. Still prefer Postfix as the mail server. My testing phase is complete, deployment awaits time and energy. And I certainly have do not have the potential user base on a scale that you have reported to this list on earlier occasions. -- We just need to figure out which pieces to apply in various combinations to optimally meet the needs of our different user communities. -- Bdale Garbee, Debian Project Leader http://www.debian.org/vote/2002/platforms/bdale -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
I hate been using Cyclonic webmail www.greyguy.com.au for several months now (not a debian package). It connects to the pop3 server so it doesn't matter what your system setup is (mbox, maildir, etc). The logon screen doesn't give ANY error messages if your login fails, and there's a few other little problems, buit appart from that it has worked well for me. There are sevral versions ranging from free (for commercial use) to enterprise. Andrew Tait System Administrator Country NetLink Pty, Ltd E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.cnl.com.au 30 Bank St Cobram, VIC 3644, Australia Ph: +61 (03) 58 711 000 Fax: +61 (03) 58 711 874 It's the smell! If there is such a thing. Agent Smith - The Matrix - Original Message - From: Russell Coker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian ISP debian-isp@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 7:09 AM Subject: webmail What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
I'd also recommend squirrelmail, as I tried using imho and it was very crashy, I've also had painful experiences with imp, and none of the other ones seemed as nice. squirrelmail just works, with any given imap server you have. Good luck, and have fun! D.A.Bishop On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 11:09:44PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
On Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:41, Gerard MacNeil wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? I have tried most Debianized Webmail package combinations. For only email and throwing in calendaring support, you are describing the sqwebmail with courier-pcp (Personal Calendaring Protocol). The sqlwebmail package actually has the documentation for PCP. It is a logical extension to also use the courier-imap and pop servers which will also require the courier-authdaemon package. OTOH, that gives you a basketful of authentication mechanisms. Sounds like the first thing for me to test then. I'm happily using courier POP and IMAP on all my servers... Thanks! Also thanks Alexander for the list of all the servers, I'll check them out if sqwebmail doesn't do the job for me. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail
On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 11:09:44PM +0200, Russell Coker wrote: What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. Openwebmail or squirrelmail are the two most popular according to my users. I run both of them, since the users cant' decide on which one to use Tim -- Tim Sailer (at home) Coastal Internet,Inc. Network and Systems Operations PO Box 671 http://www.buoy.comRidge, NY 11961 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] (631)924-3728 (888) 924-3728 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: webmail
I have tried more than at least 40 webmails in the search of something that is visually pleasing / user friendly / hassle free and is very portable in the event of changing systems, and it all came down to OpenWebMail. Before you settle on a webmail to use, give it a go. -Original Message- From: Russell Coker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, 17 June 2002 7:10 AM To: Debian ISP Subject: webmail What's a good webmail system to use? There are several in Debian, I've had experience with IMP, but that experience has been mostly painful. Upgrading it is always difficult, and the packages insist on Postgresql even though it's not needed at all unless you have a cluster. How do the other webmail systems compare? Calendaring support which integrates with Outlook would be a bonus, but apart from that I just need basic functionality. -- I do not get viruses because I do not use MS software. If you use Outlook then please do not put my email address in your address-book so that WHEN you get a virus it won't use my address in the From field. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail for debian
does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Just remember there is both IMAP and POP. With webmail this is important. IMAP is more efficient than POP. With IMAP, the webmail client will grap the mail headers first. When users click on the mail to view, the webmail client will send a request through port 143 for the individual message. According to my understanding, POP uses a simplier and less efficient approach. I think that most would recommend IMAP for webmail. An IMAP server should be a prerequisite for webmail unless you have unlimited bandwidth. So, do you have an IMAP server ? My 2 favorite are Cyrus or Courier IMAP. Courier IMAP provides the greatest performance for disk reads and writes. Cyrus provides the greatest flexibility and works with most proprietary mail clients, including Eudora and Outlook. UW IMAP is probably the best documented, but has various problems. I have Cyrus working with Postfix. All mail accounts are stored and managed by Cyrus. Thus, there is no need for shell accounts for mail users. Cyrus does not seem to have a stable native Directory Service, so LDAP may be needed if you want to lookup globally shared addresses like a campus directory. My favorite IMAP webclient is Silkymail. O'Reilly publishing also recommends Silymail in the IMAP book. http://demo.silkymail.com For an IMAP example you and use: loging of anonymous password [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail for debian
does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Just remember there is both IMAP and POP. With webmail this is important. IMAP is more efficient than POP. With IMAP, the webmail client will grap the mail headers first. When users click on the mail to view, the webmail client will send a request through port 143 for the individual message. According to my understanding, POP uses a simplier and less efficient approach. I think that most would recommend IMAP for webmail. An IMAP server should be a prerequisite for webmail unless you have unlimited bandwidth. So, do you have an IMAP server ? My 2 favorite are Cyrus or Courier IMAP. Courier IMAP provides the greatest performance for disk reads and writes. Cyrus provides the greatest flexibility and works with most proprietary mail clients, including Eudora and Outlook. UW IMAP is probably the best documented, but has various problems. I have Cyrus working with Postfix. All mail accounts are stored and managed by Cyrus. Thus, there is no need for shell accounts for mail users. Cyrus does not seem to have a stable native Directory Service, so LDAP may be needed if you want to lookup globally shared addresses like a campus directory. My favorite IMAP webclient is Silkymail. O'Reilly publishing also recommends Silymail in the IMAP book. http://demo.silkymail.com For an IMAP example you and use: loging of anonymous password [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: webmail for debian
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Try twig http://twig.screwdriver.net/ Yours Tony. /* * The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the * same level of thinking we were at when we created them. * --Albert Einstein */
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:52:29 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? squirrelmail (from unstable, but getting it to work on a stable box is a one-line - fix) works pretty well here. cheers, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / msg05303/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: webmail for debian
Try horde / imp ..Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: webmail for debian does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Thanks Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:52:47 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any hint about the fix for squirrel? dpkg -i squirrelmail-package vi /var/lib/dpkg/status change the dependency from perl-base to perl or perl-5.005 (or the other way around, can't remember) apt-get install squirrelmail cheers, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / msg05305/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: webmail for debian
On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:52:29PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Try apt-get install nocc on sid/woody. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: webmail for debian
I've been using Silkymail from http://www.cyrusoft.com/silkymail. It's a modified version of IMP that has a very smooth user interface (it's very similar to the Mulberry email client, which I also use and like very much). Installation is either a (relative) breeze or a nightmare. It's a breeze if you're installing on an otherwise barren machine because the tarball includes about six different packages -- apache, SSL, uw-imap, imp, and gawd-knows-what-else -- which it installs under its own directory tree. The nightmare comes in if you already have some of those tools installed in other places on your system. But it can be made to work. The version I'm running right now is 1.1.x. 1.2 is out, and I was told several weeks ago that 1.3 is imminent, but there's no sign of it at the web site yet. John [EMAIL PROTECTED] --On Friday, February 08, 2002 3:57 PM +0200 Craigsc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Try horde / imp ..Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: webmail for debian does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Thanks Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] John AckermannN8UR [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.febo.com President, TAPR[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.tapr.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Try IMP http://www.horde.org/ zs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 2002. február 8. 14:52 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: webmail for debian does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Thanks Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Yes, And for the all important, What is the best one? I do not know. We have used IMP 2.x for more than a year and has worked well. We use it with postgres and set it for IMAP to only one domain / mail server. It's what I use to read my mail. As I had some problems in the install I would recomend seting up the SQL (postgres) server before installing IMP. There are some things I do not like about IMP but it looks like IMP 3 is much better. (not.deb yet) Best [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:52:29PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Thanks Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I lately have been using squirrelmail, and there are also imp and aeromail. The first and third are the easiest to use... Saludos -- Daniel Ferradal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user # 128322 http://www.debian-gnu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, We are very happy using openwebmail Cheers. Rudi. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2002 1:09 AM Subject: Re: webmail for debian Hi, Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Yes, And for the all important, What is the best one? I do not know. We have used IMP 2.x for more than a year and has worked well. We use it with postgres and set it for IMAP to only one domain / mail server. It's what I use to read my mail. As I had some problems in the install I would recomend seting up the SQL (postgres) server before installing IMP. There are some things I do not like about IMP but it looks like IMP 3 is much better. (not.deb yet) Best [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
webmail for debian
does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Thanks Josep
Re: webmail for debian
On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 14:52:29 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? squirrelmail (from unstable, but getting it to work on a stable box is a one-line - fix) works pretty well here. cheers, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / pgpOb6wH1bLPc.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: webmail for debian
Try horde / imp ..Craig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 3:52 PM To: debian-isp@lists.debian.org Subject: webmail for debian does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Thanks Josep -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2002 10:52:47 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any hint about the fix for squirrel? dpkg -i squirrelmail-package vi /var/lib/dpkg/status change the dependency from perl-base to perl or perl-5.005 (or the other way around, can't remember) apt-get install squirrelmail cheers, rw -- / Ing. Robert Waldner | Security Engineer | CoreTec IT-Security \ \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] | T +43 1 503 72 73 | F +43 1 503 72 73 x99 / pgpnKI9brVRGH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: webmail for debian
On Fri, Feb 08, 2002 at 02:52:29PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anybody know some webmail system for debian? Try apt-get install nocc on sid/woody. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
