Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Le 14/12/2017 à 23:54, Markus Koschany a écrit : > *psst* he is even writing from Windows 10 /*prepares a nice bonfire*/ Haha I'm busted ;) More precisely I have two desktop computers on Windows and Mac OS X and a laptop on Debian (plus several servers on Debian and an Android phone). Do I get to keep my card of the Party or should I head directly to the nearest T&S reeducation camp? Emmanuel
Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Am 14.12.2017 um 19:15 schrieb Thorsten Glaser: > you’re writing from an @apache.org address May I point out that I'm the only one who is allowed to insult people on this list. :E *psst* he is even writing from Windows 10 /*prepares a nice bonfire*/ @Andreas Getting back to the issue at hand: I also suggest OpenJDK 7 unless you want to maintain openam in non-free. If you decide to forwardport OpenJDK 7 then you should be prepared that security support will come to an end eventually. I am not completely sure but I suspect OpenJDK 7 will reach EOL next year. Regards, Markus signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Le 14/12/2017 à 19:15, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : > you’re writing from an @apache.org address, so I’m assuming you’re > affiliated with the ASF. I'm just a casual contributor to some Apache projects, not an open source guru. Maybe you confused the ASF with the FSF? > Furthermore, you’re a Debian Developer¹. I'm honored that you eventually noticed I was a DD after hundreds of uploads and contributions here since 2013 ;) > How can you, in full conscience, suggest something like this, to a > fellow Debian Developer, on a Debian mailing list? I made this suggestion because: - I happen to maintain java-package - The Oracle JRE consists in 99% of open source code. - This alternative is possible from a technical point of view. I'm not to judge its morality, Andreas can decide himself if it suits his ethic and needs. - As far as I know mentioning contrib/non-free packages on the Debian mailing lists isn't forbidden. Note that I'm not arguing against rebuilding Doko's openjdk package, which is indeed remarkable for its portability. But maybe Andreas needs a quick solution and prefers avoiding the long compilation time of OpenJDK. > No ad-hominem intended You are just stating I'm a bad DD that should go back to school, I've seen better praises ;) Emmanuel Bourg
Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
On Thu, 14 Dec 2017, Miguel Landaeta wrote: > There are better and more respectful ways to express your disagreement > with the approach proposed by Emmanuel here. Can you please point out to me what *exactly* you think was not so good in my eMail, to help me understand? I think a DD (and ASF associated-person) should not recommend non-free software on a Debian mailing list, to another DD, when Debian main provides a (better, even, in this case) alternative. bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg
Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Hi, On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > How can you, in full conscience, suggest something like this, to a > fellow Debian Developer, on a Debian mailing list? I mean, really? > That’s nōn-free and, in this case, useless, and additionally un‐ > supported software at *best*, sabotage worse. (Admittedly, forward‐ > porting would also need regular updates, but Doko provides those, > and one can subscribe to be notified upon new package uploads, and > I believe they’re prototyped in experimental first, which makes them > very easy to quickly grab.) There are better and more respectful ways to express your disagreement with the approach proposed by Emmanuel here. Just saying. Cheers, Miguel. -- Miguel Landaeta, nomadium at debian.org secure email with PGP 0x6E608B637D8967E9 available at http://miguel.cc/key. "Faith means not wanting to know what is true." -- Nietzsche signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Hello Andreas, > > What is the best way to deal with this under stretch? > > My first idea was a forwardport of openjdk-7. Is this a sensible > > approach? yes, this is a sensible approach. Doko’s packages build for a lot of Debian and Debian-derivate-that-must-not-be-named releases, and I’ve personally done a lot of back‑ and forwardports of them for my workplace, so this should go without a hitch. He’s also mostly receptive for patches fixing build issues on various releases. Hello Emmanuel, > Hi Andreas, you may also install the Oracle JRE with java-package. you’re writing from an @apache.org address, so I’m assuming you’re affiliated with the ASF. Furthermore, you’re a Debian Developer¹. How can you, in full conscience, suggest something like this, to a fellow Debian Developer, on a Debian mailing list? I mean, really? That’s nōn-free and, in this case, useless, and additionally un‐ supported software at *best*, sabotage worse. (Admittedly, forward‐ porting would also need regular updates, but Doko provides those, and one can subscribe to be notified upon new package uploads, and I believe they’re prototyped in experimental first, which makes them very easy to quickly grab.) No ad-hominem intended, but I’m wondering whether DDs should take a periodical requalification for the P&P part of NM if things like this are being suggested. (With some packages I’ve seen, not from you though, I’ve been wondering whether T&S refreshers are also necessary, looking at lintian warnings alone is often enough to make one shudder, and my DM mentee is cursing DDs often enough, justifiedly, when he’s updating their packages.) ① lookup login:ebourg on https://db.debian.org/ bye, //mirabilos -- tarent solutions GmbH Rochusstraße 2-4, D-53123 Bonn • http://www.tarent.de/ Tel: +49 228 54881-393 • Fax: +49 228 54881-235 HRB 5168 (AG Bonn) • USt-ID (VAT): DE122264941 Geschäftsführer: Dr. Stefan Barth, Kai Ebenrett, Boris Esser, Alexander Steeg
Re: How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Le 14/12/2017 à 16:33, Andreas Tille a écrit : > What is the best way to deal with this under stretch? > My first idea was a forwardport of openjdk-7. Is this a sensible > approach? Hi Andreas, you may also install the Oracle JRE with java-package. Emmanuel Bourg
How to install openjdk-7-jre-headless on Stretch
Hi, I have an application that is not yet ported to JDK 8[1] (featuring some import sun.io.CharToByteConverter; statements). What is the best way to deal with this under stretch? My first idea was a forwardport of openjdk-7. Is this a sensible approach? Kind regards Andreas. [1] https://github.com/ForgeRock/openam-community-edition/issues/52 -- http://fam-tille.de
