Re: JavaMail and JAF
Marcus Better wrote: MrDemeanour wrote: Hmm, to me it seems that oddly enough FSF considers it free: That seems to mean that it's Debian-compatible There is apparently no consensus on this point. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/08/msg00028.html Thanks, that's a very helpful link. -- Jack. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
On Thu, 2006-08-31 at 15:15 +0200, Marcus Better wrote: > Matthias Klose wrote: > > what do you mean by "out of the box"? > > Sorry for being unclear. Can the classpathx versions work as drop-in > replacements for the Sun packages? > > (JBoss contains jar files for JavaMail 1.3.1 and JAF 1.0.2. I intend to > replace them with the ones from classpathx.) They really should. If you find issues doing that then please file bug reports. Thanks, Mark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
MrDemeanour wrote: >> Hmm, to me it seems that oddly enough FSF considers it free: > That seems to mean that it's Debian-compatible There is apparently no consensus on this point. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/08/msg00028.html Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes: > Hi, > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:33:03PM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > > It certainly doesn't appear on the FSF list of free licences. It is, > > Hmm, to me it seems that oddly enough FSF considers it free: > > $ lynx -dump http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html | grep -A 5 > "(CDDL)" >[101]Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) > This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; > it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with > the [102]GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be > maintained, while the GPL only requires certain types of > notices. Also, it terminates in retaliation for certain You're right, it is there. I missed it. Andrew. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote: Hi, On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:33:03PM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: It certainly doesn't appear on the FSF list of free licences. It is, Hmm, to me it seems that oddly enough FSF considers it free: $ lynx -dump http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html | grep -A 5 "(CDDL)" [101]Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the [102]GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be maintained, while the GPL only requires certain types of notices. Also, it terminates in retaliation for certain That seems to mean that it's Debian-compatible - as far as I can see. I'm not aware that Debian-free is identical with GNU-free. I've just re-read the license, and it appears to be OK to me - IANAIPL. Can it not be built with free tools, perhaps? That's a Debian requirement. Does it depend on proprietary Sun runtime code? That would be a killer. I'm sorry - I know and care little about JAF - by "it", I mean "JavaMail". -- Jack. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Hi, On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 05:33:03PM +0100, Andrew Haley wrote: > It certainly doesn't appear on the FSF list of free licences. It is, Hmm, to me it seems that oddly enough FSF considers it free: $ lynx -dump http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/license-list.html | grep -A 5 "(CDDL)" [101]Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL) This is a free software license which is not a strong copyleft; it has some complex restrictions that make it incompatible with the [102]GNU GPL. It requires that all attribution notices be maintained, while the GPL only requires certain types of notices. Also, it terminates in retaliation for certain best regards, Timo Lindfors pgpC9Fs6cLAwD.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Tom Marble wrote: > Why not use Sun's JavaMail and JAF? It seems that the CDDL is not considered sufficiently free for Debian. At least that's what I gathered from the lengthy discussions on mailing lists. Or is there a decision to the opposite effect? Anyway I would rather leave it to someone else to package software with doubtful licenses. (Hint, hint.) Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
MrDemeanour writes: > Tom Marble wrote: > > Marcus Better wrote: > >> the pkg-jboss project needs DFSG-free versions of Sun's JavaMail > >> and Java Activation Framework libraries. Can anyone tell me whether > >> the GNU versions (already in Debian) will work out of the box? > > > > Why not use Sun's JavaMail and JAF? As of April they are now Free > > software under the CDDL: > > http://java.sun.com/products/javamail/index.jsp > > Since when did the CDDL equate to "Free"? It certainly doesn't appear on the FSF list of free licences. It is, however, on the OSF list at http://www.opensource.org/licenses/cddl1.php Andrew. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Tom Marble wrote: Marcus Better wrote: the pkg-jboss project needs DFSG-free versions of Sun's JavaMail and Java Activation Framework libraries. Can anyone tell me whether the GNU versions (already in Debian) will work out of the box? Why not use Sun's JavaMail and JAF? As of April they are now Free software under the CDDL: http://java.sun.com/products/javamail/index.jsp Since when did the CDDL equate to "Free"? -- Jack. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Marcus Better wrote: > the pkg-jboss project needs DFSG-free versions of Sun's JavaMail and Java > Activation Framework libraries. Can anyone tell me whether the GNU versions > (already in Debian) will work out of the box? Why not use Sun's JavaMail and JAF? As of April they are now Free software under the CDDL: http://java.sun.com/products/javamail/index.jsp HTH, --Tom _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] (952) 832-4123 Senior Java Performance Engineer Sun Microsystems, Inc. http://blogs.sun.com/tmarbleWhat do you want from Java Libre? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Marcus Better writes: > Hello, > > the pkg-jboss project needs DFSG-free versions of Sun's JavaMail and Java > Activation Framework libraries. Can anyone tell me whether the GNU versions > (already in Debian) will work out of the box? what do you mean by "out of the box"? If they don't work, please update the packages to more recent versions. Matthias -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JavaMail and JAF
Matthias Klose wrote: > what do you mean by "out of the box"? Sorry for being unclear. Can the classpathx versions work as drop-in replacements for the Sun packages? (JBoss contains jar files for JavaMail 1.3.1 and JAF 1.0.2. I intend to replace them with the ones from classpathx.) Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JavaMail and JAF
Hello, the pkg-jboss project needs DFSG-free versions of Sun's JavaMail and Java Activation Framework libraries. Can anyone tell me whether the GNU versions (already in Debian) will work out of the box? Thanks, Marcus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
