Re: How do I get "unknown key" recognized
> On Sat, 26 May 2001 00:28:59 +0200, Hendrik Sattler > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Hendrik> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hendrik> Hash: SHA1 Hendrik> On Saturday, 26. May 2001 00:22, Debian User wrote: >> I'm using KMail to read most of my mail. Somewhere along the way I >> got gnupg installed and now I get a line which reads "Message was >> signed by unknown key ID XXX". So, how do I get the supposedly >> "unknown key" recognized? Hendrik> import the public key to that signature with "gpg --import Hendrik> keyfile" Can gpg be pointed at a keyserver to automatically download the public keys? rob
Fwd: User Quota Exceeded kokuszka@wap.hu
Am getting mails from here in response to mail sent to debian-user & debian-kde lists. HTH & good luck -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: User Quota Exceeded Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 23:48:53 +0200 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fatal Error: \n \nQuota for user [EMAIL PROTECTED] exceeded! \n \nOriginal message follows: \n \n > Greets, > >I wanted to thank those that responded. -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls/TELE: USA-707-442-6579\/A GNU-Debian linux user Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls ICQ: 12741145 If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom!
Re: How do I get "unknown key" recognized
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 26. May 2001 00:22, Debian User wrote: > I'm using KMail to read most of my mail. Somewhere along the way I > got gnupg installed and now I get a line which reads "Message was > signed by unknown key ID XXX". So, how do I get the supposedly > "unknown key" recognized? import the public key to that signature with "gpg --import keyfile" HS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Dtyszvr6q9zCwcERAlWjAJ9A0XduzfL2CsQVEEDERgUXt2DLsQCeO/jl of3hOBrFPnhUNDjDhenZSw8= =MITp -END PGP SIGNATURE-
How do I get "unknown key" recognized
I'm using KMail to read most of my mail. Somewhere along the way I got gnupg installed and now I get a line which reads "Message was signed by unknown key ID XXX". So, how do I get the supposedly "unknown key" recognized? P.S. GPG is greek to me.
Re: kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
G. L. `Griz' Inabnit wrote: > After reading this, I GASPED!! Now I'm not only feeling foolish, > I've likely screwed some people up!! Where is the best mirror list > now, Ivan? (I got too damn spoiled by TDYC :-=) ) Mirror in http://ftp.linux.ee/pub/kde.tdyc.com/ or ftp://ftp.linux.ee/pub/kde.tdyc.com/ was updated once a day before kde.debian.net went down. regards, -- Hasso Tepper KDE Estonian Team
Re: thread reading in kmail - howto?
Greets, I wanted to thank those that responded. The advice was very useful and I am now able to navigate the lists effectively. I don't see a batching option, or thread delete on kmail - yet. But Now I just read thru the thread and select it and use the 'd' key. Very nice. thanks again. On Thursday 24 May 2001 12:29, David Bishop wrote: > On Thursday 24 May 2001 10:28, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote: > >Hello, > > > > I really like being able to thread messages on lists, but reading through > > them is next to impossible. I just finished re-reading the help files but > > I don't see any way to read the mail without jumping wildly through out > > read and unread messages. > > > > What I would like to do is have my mail sorted by date, then by threads. > > Now, the first thread that I come to is ok, the next will jump somewhere > > deep into un-read territory. Finally the next may or may not take me to > > the next thread. So my next unread message is lost in the depths of > > unread mails, instead of back to the top to continue reading in a linear > > date sorted fashion. Other mailers do this? > > > > Any help on reading mails with threading enabled would be much > > appreciated. I'm obviously missing the finer points of this code. > > > > tia > > I think your major problem is that (it sounds like) you are deleteing each > email as you read it. When you do that, Kmail resorts all of the other > messages in the thread, and splits stuff off/whatnot because the missing > email can't be referenced anymore. The work around is to read throughout > the thread, and then delete in batches. For instance, I read your email > and then the reply by Hendrik before deleting either, because otherwise > Hendrik's would have dropped four messages down to the bottom of my inbox. > Not optimal, but as long as kmail immediately moves deleted mail to the > trash, instead of just "marking" them as deleted (like mutt), this will be > an issue. > > HTH, > > D.A.Bishop > > P.S. I'm not advocating a "mark for delete" paradigm. I much prefer the > current system. But I do recognize the tradeoff :-) -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls/TELE: USA-707-442-6579\/A GNU-Debian linux user Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEB: http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls ICQ: 12741145 If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom!
Re: kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 25 May 2001 14:14, Ivan E. Moore II wrote something to this effect: > > The debian kde2 stable archive can be found on sourceforge. Here's the > > link: > > > > > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/deb > >/ > > o don't point anyone there...that stuff is so old and out of > date it's scary. > > Ivan Hey Ivan, After reading this, I GASPED!! Now I'm not only feeling foolish, I've likely screwed some people up!! Where is the best mirror list now, Ivan? (I got too damn spoiled by TDYC :-=) ) p.s. I'll yank the bogus stuff out of my notes now, but it won't reflect the changes until after the hour when the servers are updated. - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus Torvalds -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: uL1pXKz6riS9p9o5tS9RUgFWoQbne1ad iQA/AwUBOw7QeghnWicv+0tKEQL2vgCeK2FhhIGwAiLhBxawHlbTo0d5wBUAnRS0 UvA08yBJ7sQqRaPMbYk9/27V =BxXK -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, 25 May 2001, Ben Burton wrote: > >> Is it generally possible (I know this is possible with sawfish) for the >> user to install a theme without root privileges? If so, then one big theme >> package is useful to allow a user to browse themes, select the one(s) they >> like, and copy it/them into an appropriate spot in their home directory >> (after which they can delete the big package). > >Yes, certainly possible. I am however attached to the idea of a user >unfamiliar with the details being able to simply say "apt-get install >kde-theme-foo" and have it/them magically show up in the control panel. > >Of course I am open to being convinced otherwise. :) Non-free themes. Some themes on kde.themes.org are very likely ripoffs that haven't been caught yet. An installer may provide a large enough level of indirection so as to not directly involve Debian... "Look, all we did is to provide a way to install an arbitrary theme from an allegedly trusted source on to a Debian system: can we help it if the user chose a theme that was in violation of your copyright?". Perhaps a double pronged method should be applied here: a (dozen? couple? few?) themes ought to be thrown into a package, and the installer should be used to get any arbitrary theme off k.t.o. Basically, use the themes package as a sampler of k.t.o and let the sysadmin grab all that they wish via the installer. The installer package would be nice if an individual user could run it to customize their work environment, but it's not really vital to be usable by non-root if it gets to be too much of a headache. JMHO, do with it what you will... >Ben. > > -- You have paid nothing for the preceding, therefore it's worth every penny you've paid for it: if you did pay for it, might I remind you of the immortal words of Phineas Taylor Barnum regarding fools and money? Who is John Galt? [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!
Re: kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
> The debian kde2 stable archive can be found on sourceforge. Here's the link: > > > http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/deb/ o don't point anyone there...that stuff is so old and out of date it's scary. Ivan -- Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
libssl096 for kde2
where can i find libssl 0.9.6 for potato? this package is showing as a failed dependency when tryin to install KDE 2.1.1 on potato. scott
Re: kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 25 May 2001 05:30, Frank Zimmermann wrote something to this effect: > Giacomo Mulas wrote: > > Hello, I browsed through the list archives (I am not > > subscribed) first, but I could not find any mention about this: are there > > any persistent problems with the kde packages for potato that used to be > > available at kde.tdyc.com? Apparently, only some of the authoritative DNS > > servers for the tdyc.com domain know the hostname kde.tdyc.com, those who > > do answer 128.196.206.206 but the host at this IP number has been > > unreachable for some days now, apparently because of some firewall in > > between. Actually, I get: > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 128.196.206.206 > > PING 128.196.206.206 (128.196.206.206) from 192.167.8.254 : 56(84) bytes > > of data. > > > > >From 192.80.43.33: Packet filtered > > > > Now the questions are the following: > > > > 1) has the apt'able archive of kde packages for potato been taken out of > > line or have some networks (including mine) been filtered out upstream > > for some reason? > > > > 2) is there any other up to date apt'able mirror available? I cannot look > > at the web pages at kde.tdyc.com myself, since it is unreachable from > > here > > > > 3) is there any other up to date mirror offering the rsync service? I > > maintain some 15 debian potato boxes here and for that reason I have been > > keeping a local, unofficial, partial mirror of the kde packages for > > potato, which is now out of date. > > > > Thanks, bye > > Giacomo > > So why don't you have a closer look at the Debain archives > especially the last 2 days?? kde.tdyc.com is down. > > Frank Giacomo, Here is a link that a very fine soul sent to the list a while ago: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:wO2peEYStdk:kde.tdyc.com/+kde+tdyc&hl=en It gives a fairly nice listing of all the mirror sites, and works well. :--) Frank, I'm curious. If you follow the list, why didn't YOU offer this to him? Instead of the almost nasty responce that TDYC was gone? We ARE here to assist/help each other (no flame intented, intentionally or accidently) - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus Torvalds -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: THV1GCd9TY/3L2JxhPqtnIwPb5hM24U0 iQA/AwUBOw7GxQhnWicv+0tKEQK5EACgzDSQgBDGWv29QFxWUdo+BVyo/OwAnRTc YpI/VMV/KWwbh2qGnsYwece4 =aibG -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Friday 25 May 2001 00:55, Ben Burton wrote something to this effect: > > Is it generally possible (I know this is possible with sawfish) for the > > user to install a theme without root privileges? If so, then one big > > theme package is useful to allow a user to browse themes, select the > > one(s) they like, and copy it/them into an appropriate spot in their home > > directory (after which they can delete the big package). > > Yes, certainly possible. I am however attached to the idea of a user > unfamiliar with the details being able to simply say "apt-get install > kde-theme-foo" and have it/them magically show up in the control panel. > > Of course I am open to being convinced otherwise. :) > > Ben. My one comment is pretty please remember my poor clients out in the remote areas, stilll limited to DIAL-UP connections!! Option 1 would be a killer for them. Regards, - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus Torvalds -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use MessageID: Ggh/darw51dbOh6cdB3tDektW666hnz2 iQA/AwUBOw7DWQhnWicv+0tKEQItqQCdHAC04CiSA1t7UzUMUXBxMlvxCW8AoJzo 8WC2j1poUS39BeLwWHoAfX19 =f/Ma -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
Giacomo Mulas wrote: Hello, I browsed through the list archives (I am not subscribed) first, but I could not find any mention about this: are there any persistent problems with the kde packages for potato that used to be available at kde.tdyc.com? Apparently, only some of the authoritative DNS servers for the tdyc.com domain know the hostname kde.tdyc.com, those who do answer 128.196.206.206 but the host at this IP number has been unreachable for some days now, apparently because of some firewall in between. Actually, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 128.196.206.206 PING 128.196.206.206 (128.196.206.206) from 192.167.8.254 : 56(84) bytes of data. From 192.80.43.33: Packet filtered Now the questions are the following: 1) has the apt'able archive of kde packages for potato been taken out of line or have some networks (including mine) been filtered out upstream for some reason? 2) is there any other up to date apt'able mirror available? I cannot look at the web pages at kde.tdyc.com myself, since it is unreachable from here 3) is there any other up to date mirror offering the rsync service? I maintain some 15 debian potato boxes here and for that reason I have been keeping a local, unofficial, partial mirror of the kde packages for potato, which is now out of date. Thanks, bye Giacomo _ Giacomo Mulas <[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]> _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel.: +39 070 71180 216 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 _ "When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are" (Freddy Mercury) _ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] The debian kde2 stable archive can be found on sourceforge. Here's the link: http://ftp.sourceforge.net/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/latest/distribution/deb/ Scott
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, 25 May 2001, Rob Walker wrote: > It would be nice if there were a suid root, but user-runnable, theme > installer which would install over the Network or from a local tarball > of themes. That way a user could install the themes which he wanted, > they would go in system space, and the other users would not have to > install them also. > > One problem I see is a user downloading a malicious theme tarball, and > installing themes from it, causing problems system wide. The > verification process in the installer would have to be good. This is do-able, and a lot of the system specific pieces are in place, perhaps something like... - get a theme unpacked into a tempdir - debianize it with: dh_make --custom /path/to/kde-template dh_make -o /path/to/kde-theme-overlay this gives you a "wedge" into the debianization process (a place to do the verification from, within the framework provided by the existing packaging tools) - lintian (doesn't hurt) - install Right now, kde-template == /usr/share/doc/kdelibs-dev/dh-make. - Bruce
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, 25 May 2001, Ben Burton wrote: > > Although best would be a KDE-theme installer. Are the themes > > available individually anywhere, in a format consistent enough for > > automating the debianization and installation? > > By this do you mean an empty debian package whose configuration procedure is > to download themes and install them on the fly? ...or a packaged program that does for KDE-themes what apt-get does for Debian (kinda like what the Perl maintainers have done with CPAN). > The themes are available on the web in a format that's very easily > debianised/installed. However, the connection between my machine and the > Russian server is quite flaky, and I recall the author saying the problem was > at his/her end (although for the life of me I can't find the email). Thus I > would be happier for the themes to be in debian per se. :) Hmmm, OK. Maybe he needs a mirror. I'm one of those people running KDE on a small system, a very small and slow system (about a gig of hdd space and connecting at 28.8kbps)... Huge packages can be a major pain because they take a long time to download (feels worse if I really only want a small piece of the package), and I may need to make room just to download them (especially if they come along with the daily system upgrade). The dpkg/apt DB overhead is almost inconsequential (about 25M, ~2% of my hdd space, and I'm tracking testing/unstable/source). I have used a system so small that 25M was too much overhead, but then I didn't even use dselect (would not have used apt) and ignored any "huge-arse" packages of `toy' stuff -- but as long as I had enough room to download a .deb, and it fit onto a floppy, I could install it. If you do one huge package you will be more likely to leave out people with small systems than if you do a bunch of small packages. If the DB overhead of lots of packages is too much for users with small systems they will likely find a way around it. e.g., (packages.debian.org --> download --> "dpkg -i..."), or keeping on top of the caches and backups and only tracking what they need to. If the total number of packages is overwhelming... tough, but that is a programming problem (devise a better interface to the package pool) and should not be solved by limiting options. - Bruce
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
> On Fri, 25 May 2001 03:44:46 -0400, Matt Zimmerman > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> > Ben> I am hesitant to do (1) because of the user's disk space usage. >> > Ben> I am hesitant to do (2) because I'm not sure that debian wants a >> > Ben> million kde-theme-* packages on its servers. Matt> Is it generally possible (I know this is possible with sawfish) Matt> for the user to install a theme without root privileges? If so, Matt> then one big theme package is useful to allow a user to browse Matt> themes, select the one(s) they like, and copy it/them into an Matt> appropriate spot in their home directory (after which they can Matt> delete the big package). # apt-get install big-theme-package # dpkg --purge big-theme-package I do not like that method too much. You do two root things to save some system space, but then have to do those two root things everytime any user installs a theme? And furthermore, if a second user installs the same theme, the disk-space-savings story get weaker. It would be nice if there were a suid root, but user-runnable, theme installer which would install over the Network or from a local tarball of themes. That way a user could install the themes which he wanted, they would go in system space, and the other users would not have to install them also. One problem I see is a user downloading a malicious theme tarball, and installing themes from it, causing problems system wide. The verification process in the installer would have to be good. rob
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
> On Fri, 25 May 2001 15:07:46 +0200, Casper Gielen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: Casper> The only disadvantage I can think of is that when a new Casper> section is added apt/dselect won't know about it until it's Casper> added to sources.list . I've made up two solutions to this but What about a sources.list sources.list line? A sources.list line which will d/l the sources.list lines, and if there are new ones in the repository for official debian, present them to the user to decide about. rob
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:57:02PM +0200, andrea gelmini wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:07:46PM +0200, Casper Gielen wrote: > > No, but those packages need to be parsed and checked for dependencies by > > pkg etc... This takes lots of cycles and lots of RAM on _all_ machines, > > regardless of wether those packages are actually installed. Using > > i see, but the consequence of this would be, imho, to change the way > debian uses /var/lib/dpkg/available and friends, not to try to make > less packages... Not really. They way in which /var/lib/dpkg/available is used doesn't change, however many packages that one doesn't never reach /var/lib/dpkg/available and thus won't slow the system down. -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- People just generally like to disagree. Bill Joy
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, 25 May 2001 15:26:38 +0200 Casper Gielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:44:14AM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > > > > Don't tell me, that you absolutely have to install Debian on a 386. No > > one has to do that, you can always use a bigger machine for the initial > > setup. Hell, back in the "old days" people were suggesting to compile > > the kernels on another machine, so you wouldn't have to wait all day > > long. > > Unfortunatly large parts of the world still consider a 386 a fast > computer. > -- > Casper Gielen > [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > People just generally like to disagree. > Bill Joy > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > While nothing is perfect and nothing can meet everyone's needs, Debian and KDE as they are today remain quite useable on minimal machines in the right situations. The ticket for these older boxes is to deploy them as X Terminals within a LAN. I don't have any 386 machines, but I do have some as minimal as 486SX 33 with 8MB and can assure you that KDE 2.x and applications like the Star Office suite can be used on these little beasts. Later, Colin Mattoon
Re: Sound module not loading
On Thursday, 24. May 2001 03:30, Tim Everding wrote: > Its not a kernel problem. Sound works fine outside KDE (like in gnome). But > sound will only work in KDE if I manually start artsd. > > I also get an error under KDE control center if I select "Look & > Feel"->"System Notifications". Again, KDE complains that "there was an > error loading the module", without any additional info. Same thing here. The control modules for midi and the soundserver aren't working. Starting artsd manually in a shell works. Starting kcontrol --nofork doesn't give any debug messages. kdebase2.1.1.0-0.potato Does anyone have a solution ?? Michael
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 03:07:46PM +0200, Casper Gielen wrote: > No, but those packages need to be parsed and checked for dependencies by > pkg etc... This takes lots of cycles and lots of RAM on _all_ machines, > regardless of wether those packages are actually installed. Using i see, but the consequence of this would be, imho, to change the way debian uses /var/lib/dpkg/available and friends, not to try to make less packages... ciao, andrea
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:44:14AM +0200, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote: > > Don't tell me, that you absolutely have to install Debian on a 386. No > one has to do that, you can always use a bigger machine for the initial > setup. Hell, back in the "old days" people were suggesting to compile > the kernels on another machine, so you wouldn't have to wait all day > long. Unfortunatly large parts of the world still consider a 386 a fast computer. -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- People just generally like to disagree. Bill Joy
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 11:39:23AM +0200, andrea gelmini wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 10:32:41AM +0200, Michael Neuffer wrote: > > > There are more then enough machines around that already have > > problems with the package management. Machines that must run > > with 16 or maybe 8 MB of memory (or even less) with an 386sx/16 > > CPU or similar. > do you really install useless and heavy, for ram and cpu, kde > themes on such machines? No, but those packages need to be parsed and checked for dependencies by pkg etc... This takes lots of cycles and lots of RAM on _all_ machines, regardless of wether those packages are actually installed. Using dselect on a P75/24 MB is a true PITA, In the past I've used a script that fingered the machine every minute and raised an alarm if it didn't respond. I ran it when upgrading that machine so I knew when (not if) it crashed (ok, not really crashed, but unusable). On my 386 I don't even try to do automatic installs anymore. I use dpkg to install packages one by one. My solution to this is to split the package archives. Currently a typical /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free Why not add a few more directories. eg KDE, Gnome, Dutch translations like this: deb http://http.us.debian.org/KDE stable main contrib non-free or deb http://GNOME.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free By removing such a line from /etc/apt/sources.lists my machine my machine wouldn't even know about all those packages, which would mean a significant speed-up. Another (small) benefit would be that I don't have to download package information about packages I don't want to install anyway. The difference would be just a few K per apt-get update, which is completly neglectible for my broad-band connection. But it certainly matters to the server and modem users. To implement this not a single line of code needs to be written. Apt is designed to do stuff like this. A utillity to add/remove lines to /etc/apt/sources.list would be nice, but IIRC such a tool does exist. Dselect->Access also has a (very ugly IMHO) interface to this. The only disadvantage I can think of is that when a new section is added apt/dselect won't know about it until it's added to sources.list . I've made up two solutions to this but they are a bit ugly. I'll take KDE for an example and show which steps need to be made to install KDE when a KDE section is added.: solution 1: Every time a new section is added the sources.list managment tool needs to be updated. To add KDE: -apt-get update -upgrade sources.list tool -use the tool/dselect->access to add a line for KDE to sources.list -apt-get update -use dselect/apt-get install to install KDE packages pro: -everything can be done with existing software con: -many users won't even realize KDE exists until they figure out how to add entry to sources.list as it doesn't show up in dselect->select solution 2: use packages to add lines to sources.list To add KDE: -apt-get update -use dselect to install task-kde upon installation task-kde will add a line to sources.list pointing to the KDE archives -apt-get update -install KDE packages pro: -the user doens't need to know about /etc/apt/sources.list, when a new section is added it shows up with other new packages and the user can decide wether or not he likes to use this section. con: -when taks-kde is installed KDE isn't until apt-get update/upgrade is run a second time -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- People just generally like to disagree. Bill Joy
Re: kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
Giacomo Mulas wrote: > > Hello, I browsed through the list archives (I am not > subscribed) first, but I could not find any mention about this: are there > any persistent problems with the kde packages for potato that used to be > available at kde.tdyc.com? Apparently, only some of the authoritative DNS > servers for the tdyc.com domain know the hostname kde.tdyc.com, those who > do answer 128.196.206.206 but the host at this IP number has been > unreachable for some days now, apparently because of some firewall in > between. Actually, I get: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 128.196.206.206 > PING 128.196.206.206 (128.196.206.206) from 192.167.8.254 : 56(84) bytes > of data. > >From 192.80.43.33: Packet filtered > > Now the questions are the following: > > 1) has the apt'able archive of kde packages for potato been taken out of > line or have some networks (including mine) been filtered out upstream > for some reason? > > 2) is there any other up to date apt'able mirror available? I cannot look > at the web pages at kde.tdyc.com myself, since it is unreachable from here > > 3) is there any other up to date mirror offering the rsync service? I > maintain some 15 debian potato boxes here and for that reason I have been > keeping a local, unofficial, partial mirror of the kde packages for > potato, which is now out of date. > > Thanks, bye > Giacomo > So why don't you have a closer look at the Debain archives especially the last 2 days?? kde.tdyc.com is down. Frank
kde.tdyc.com unreachable?
Hello, I browsed through the list archives (I am not subscribed) first, but I could not find any mention about this: are there any persistent problems with the kde packages for potato that used to be available at kde.tdyc.com? Apparently, only some of the authoritative DNS servers for the tdyc.com domain know the hostname kde.tdyc.com, those who do answer 128.196.206.206 but the host at this IP number has been unreachable for some days now, apparently because of some firewall in between. Actually, I get: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping 128.196.206.206 PING 128.196.206.206 (128.196.206.206) from 192.167.8.254 : 56(84) bytes of data. >From 192.80.43.33: Packet filtered Now the questions are the following: 1) has the apt'able archive of kde packages for potato been taken out of line or have some networks (including mine) been filtered out upstream for some reason? 2) is there any other up to date apt'able mirror available? I cannot look at the web pages at kde.tdyc.com myself, since it is unreachable from here 3) is there any other up to date mirror offering the rsync service? I maintain some 15 debian potato boxes here and for that reason I have been keeping a local, unofficial, partial mirror of the kde packages for potato, which is now out of date. Thanks, bye Giacomo _ Giacomo Mulas <[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]> _ OSSERVATORIO ASTRONOMICO Str. 54, Loc. Poggio dei Pini * 09012 Capoterra (CA) Tel.: +39 070 71180 216 Fax : +39 070 71180 222 _ "When the storms are raging around you, stay right where you are" (Freddy Mercury) _
Bug#98688: RFP: knapster2 -- KDE2 napster client
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Re: Packaging WM themes - question
andrea gelmini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit Hi, > > There are more then enough machines around that already have > > problems with the package management. Machines that must run > > with 16 or maybe 8 MB of memory (or even less) with an 386sx/16 > > CPU or similar. > do you really install useless and heavy, for ram and cpu, kde > themes on such machines? Note that having many packages slows down dpkg and apt and whatever that does the package management, regardless of whether the user ever wants KDE on his system. I would suggest packaging it as one big package, or something that is divided into two or three, no larger. The same kind of thread continued with gnome-applets some time ago. I seem to remember. gnome-applets comes as one, because it's easier that way for the sysadmin to handle, when there are so many users on one machine. regards, junichi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d+ s:- a-- C+ UL P- L+++ E W++ N o-- K- w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t-- 5 X-- R* tv- b+ DI- D++ G e h* r% !y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
(Disclaimer: I'n not a Debian devoloper nor did I read the ancient flame wars.) Michael Neuffer wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/$ apt-cache search . | wc -l > >7230 > > > > what's another 40 packages? > > Argh ! > > > Exactly this brain damaged behaviour is why we have > so many (useless mini)packages ! > > There are more then enough machines around that already have > problems with the package management. Machines that must run > with 16 or maybe 8 MB of memory (or even less) with an 386sx/16 > CPU or similar. This is a bogus arguement. I installed Debian potato on a 386DX/33 with 8 MB just two month ago. First I did just like that and after two hours or so of waiting I had a shiny new potato system. Only to realize that I had fsck'd up and had to install again. Well, this time I put the harddisk into an Pentium 133, did the install and kernel compile in a breeze and put the harddisk back into the 386. Once Debian is installed, you can add or delete new packages without much trouble. Sure it'll take longer than with my main workstation, but then again: everything takes longer on a 386. > Not everbody can like you afford the latest and greatest > machines with GHz CPUs, hundereds of MBs of memory and huge > harddisks. Don't tell me, that you absolutely have to install Debian on a 386. No one has to do that, you can always use a bigger machine for the initial setup. Hell, back in the "old days" people were suggesting to compile the kernels on another machine, so you wouldn't have to wait all day long. > We have now more then 500 Debian developers and if everbody > would follow your exceedingly stupid example, we would very > quickly have on the border to 30.000 packages ! > > Who on earth would want to dig through such masses of packages ? > > NOBODY. > > It would make Debian instantly unusable. You have yet to prove that. And personally I like the fact that there are lot's of packages in Debian. And navigating through them with `apt-cache search` is no problem, if they use reasonable names (like kde-theme-*). > Ben: It might make sense to split it into 2 or 3 packages but > certainly not more. Which I oppose. I'm in Germany and I'm paying for my internet connection by the minute. Now imagine, I download that whoop-ass package, but only use one theme. All the other themes just occupy space on my harddisk, which is annoying, but I can live with that. I'm following unstable or testing though, and one particular theme (of those that I don't use), get's changed very often. Meaning, that whenever I do `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade`, I'll download the whoop-ass package _again_ only to find out, that my theme hasn't changed a bit. WTF?! This is why Debian packages are splitted into all kind of bits and pieces, at least in my opinion. So the end-user can have _exactly_ the software installed that he wants/needs and no other crap, which might even interfere with his installation. Of course, I can put the package on hold, but then I'd miss a potential update to my theme. Ugly hack und inefficient. > People don't get me wrong. I am _NOT_ opposed to new packages > per se. They just should bring something new into Debian. Each and every theme is something new. What's your point? > > What I oppose is stupid splits of packages and things like the > 50th ICQ client. Hmm, I was under impression, that the Linux people (including myself) constantly bitch about given the choice to the users. Cheers, Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld WWW: http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 10:32:41AM +0200, Michael Neuffer wrote: > Exactly this brain damaged behaviour is why we have > so many (useless mini)packages ! i don't think this is stupid. if I want one thing, I want that one, and only that. using packages it's good, because I can manage with the software on my computer. > There are more then enough machines around that already have > problems with the package management. Machines that must run > with 16 or maybe 8 MB of memory (or even less) with an 386sx/16 > CPU or similar. do you really install useless and heavy, for ram and cpu, kde themes on such machines? > Not everbody can like you afford the latest and greatest > machines with GHz CPUs, hundereds of MBs of memory and huge > harddisks. exactly, huge hd... if i want a themes of 100kb, i don't want to download and install megabytes... > We have now more then 500 Debian developers and if everbody > would follow your exceedingly stupid example, we would very > quickly have on the border to 30.000 packages ! > > Who on earth would want to dig through such masses of packages ? ususally people thinks it's good to have a lot of packages in their distributions. do you thins that a big choise is a bad thing? > It would make Debian instantly unusable. do you propose the big-freeze? no more new packages in debian? > hell and they rather switch to SuSE or RedHat where you don't > have to choose. a) there are task-packages. b) these are marketing things, and i don't really care. i use debian for technical reasons. > Go, ask some of the other oldtimers on debian-devel that still > remember the old flamewars with Bruce where this was a topic > as well, what they think. and after that? > Go and learn from those people before you speak such utter > nonsense again. uh... this sound like the good way to work in open projects... wasting time and bandwith with good words... congratulations... > People don't get me wrong. I am _NOT_ opposed to new packages > per se. They just should bring something new into Debian. People don't get me wrong. I am _NOT_ opposed to put themes packages in debian, but i don't like them. anyway, i will never say "don't do it" to maintainers involved in it. > What I oppose is stupid splits of packages and things like the > 50th ICQ client. of course. we hope you decide for us the right & good programs to put in debian. i don't want users can decide which is the best icq clients for them... seems microsoft approach... big packages full of everything, dictation on packages available for users... ciao, andrea
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday, 25. May 2001 10:32, Michael Neuffer wrote: > What I oppose is stupid splits of packages and things like the > 50th ICQ client. Hmm, then why are so many "small" editors there? The first thing after a standard debian install is to remove all those tiny editors as I do not use them anyway. On most systems I do this, those are more than just two or three packages. There are also so many packages that have "no available version". Will they be ever cleaned up? Of those 7230 packages this must be several hundreds, grrr. But there are others goodies: I never _saw_ something like wdm in SuSE although it is really cool (and pretty independent of any desktop). Those small packages make a smaller install with debian possible than you can do with something like SuSE. HS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Dhxlzvr6q9zCwcERAsUPAJwOoM86uup+QKoCzatyUKr6Is6nQACfbVid 0AyRyUWh81UDQtM6IemRTaQ= =pD3e -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
Quoting Rob Walker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > > On Thu, 24 May 2001 20:23:35 -0500, Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > said: > > Ben> Options are (1) release one huge-arse binary package; (2) release > Ben> 39 packages, one for each theme; (3) release a moderate number of > Ben> packages each containing a few themes. > > Ben> I am hesitant to do (1) because of the user's disk space usage. > Ben> I am hesitant to do (2) because I'm not sure that debian wants a > Ben> million kde-theme-* packages on its servers. > > I like (2). > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/$ apt-cache search . | wc -l >7230 > > what's another 40 packages? Argh ! Exactly this brain damaged behaviour is why we have so many (useless mini)packages ! Debian is NOT a trash dump. Have you put even 2 cents worth of thoughts into what you just suggested ? There are more then enough machines around that already have problems with the package management. Machines that must run with 16 or maybe 8 MB of memory (or even less) with an 386sx/16 CPU or similar. Not everbody can like you afford the latest and greatest machines with GHz CPUs, hundereds of MBs of memory and huge harddisks. We have now more then 500 Debian developers and if everbody would follow your exceedingly stupid example, we would very quickly have on the border to 30.000 packages ! Who on earth would want to dig through such masses of packages ? NOBODY. It would make Debian instantly unusable. It is the perfect way to get rid of most of our users and many developers. It is already hard to manage as many packages as we have, in terms of CPU cycles, used memory and psychologically. Almost no normal user is willing to dig through the amount of packages that we have already, to them it is confusing as hell and they rather switch to SuSE or RedHat where you don't have to choose. Go, ask some of the other oldtimers on debian-devel that still remember the old flamewars with Bruce where this was a topic as well, what they think. Ask the people that put much more thought, energy, money and their heart into this project then you ever did and probably ever will, people that build debian from ground up, what they think. Go and learn from those people before you speak such utter nonsense again. Ben: It might make sense to split it into 2 or 3 packages but certainly not more. People don't get me wrong. I am _NOT_ opposed to new packages per se. They just should bring something new into Debian. What I oppose is stupid splits of packages and things like the 50th ICQ client. Cheers Mike -- - ScioByte GmbH Michael NeufferPhone:+49 6131 540117 Zum Schiersteiner Grund 2 Fax: +49 6131 6109916 D-55127 Mainz Mobile: +49 171 1406664 GermanyMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - People often think of research as a form of development -- that it's about doing exactly what you planned, doing it on time, and doing it with resources that you said you'd use. But if you're going to do that, you have to know what you are doing, and if you know what you are doing, it isn't really research." --Dave Liddle, The New Yorker, Feb. 23/Mar.2, 1998, p84
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
> Is it generally possible (I know this is possible with sawfish) for the > user to install a theme without root privileges? If so, then one big theme > package is useful to allow a user to browse themes, select the one(s) they > like, and copy it/them into an appropriate spot in their home directory > (after which they can delete the big package). Yes, certainly possible. I am however attached to the idea of a user unfamiliar with the details being able to simply say "apt-get install kde-theme-foo" and have it/them magically show up in the control panel. Of course I am open to being convinced otherwise. :) Ben. -- Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://baasil.humbug.org.au/bab/ Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Art is the most intense mode of individualism that the world has known. - Oscar Wilde
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
> Although best would be a KDE-theme installer. Are the themes > available individually anywhere, in a format consistent enough for > automating the debianization and installation? By this do you mean an empty debian package whose configuration procedure is to download themes and install them on the fly? The themes are available on the web in a format that's very easily debianised/installed. However, the connection between my machine and the Russian server is quite flaky, and I recall the author saying the problem was at his/her end (although for the life of me I can't find the email). Thus I would be happier for the themes to be in debian per se. :) Ben. -- Ben Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://baasil.humbug.org.au/bab/ Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each song has a little soul, a little persona, it's own little birth certificate and favorite shoe shops. - Tori Amos
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Fri, May 25, 2001 at 01:19:41AM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote: > On Thu, 24 May 2001, Rob Walker wrote: > > > > On Thu, 24 May 2001 20:23:35 -0500, Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > said: > > > > Ben> Options are (1) release one huge-arse binary package; (2) release > > Ben> 39 packages, one for each theme; (3) release a moderate number of > > Ben> packages each containing a few themes. > > > > Ben> I am hesitant to do (1) because of the user's disk space usage. > > Ben> I am hesitant to do (2) because I'm not sure that debian wants a > > Ben> million kde-theme-* packages on its servers. Is it generally possible (I know this is possible with sawfish) for the user to install a theme without root privileges? If so, then one big theme package is useful to allow a user to browse themes, select the one(s) they like, and copy it/them into an appropriate spot in their home directory (after which they can delete the big package). -- - mdz
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
On Thu, 24 May 2001, Rob Walker wrote: > > On Thu, 24 May 2001 20:23:35 -0500, Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > said: > > Ben> Options are (1) release one huge-arse binary package; (2) release > Ben> 39 packages, one for each theme; (3) release a moderate number of > Ben> packages each containing a few themes. > > Ben> I am hesitant to do (1) because of the user's disk space usage. > Ben> I am hesitant to do (2) because I'm not sure that debian wants a > Ben> million kde-theme-* packages on its servers. > > I like (2). > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/$ apt-cache search . | wc -l >7230 > > what's another 40 packages? Exactly. Although best would be a KDE-theme installer. Are the themes available individually anywhere, in a format consistent enough for automating the debianization and installation? - Bruce
Re: can't log into KDE using Ximian's gdm
On 2001.05.24 20:18:34 +0200 James Lindenschmidt wrote: > Greetings. > > I'm a KDE 2.1.1 user on my Debian potato 2.2r3 machine who also plays > around > wtih Ximian GNOME. Well, after the latest "upgrade" from Ximian, gdm > thinks > KDE isn't installed on my system. I'm tired of Ximian GNOME breaking > things > on my computer right and left, and I think I want to switch over to use > kdm. > > What's the best way to switch so that I'll still be able to log in to > both > KDE 2.1.1 and Ximian GNOME? The list of availables Session Managers available with GDM is stored in /etc/X11/gdm. In previous releases, this directory was a link to /etc/gdm, where KDE session file is, but with the last release it's a real directory. I think you could move (or copy or link) your /etc/gdm/Sessions/KDE file to /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions/KDE, but I didn't tested this solution ; you could also move all the /etc/X11/gdm stuff to /etc/gdm and recreate the link... If you want to switch from gdm to kdm, just replace the link /etc/rc2.d/S99gdm with a link S99kdm to /etc/init.d/kdm and that should be OK. If you try any of these, could you give me your feedback...?? Thierry
Re: Packaging WM themes - question
> On Thu, 24 May 2001 20:23:35 -0500, Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > said: Ben> Options are (1) release one huge-arse binary package; (2) release Ben> 39 packages, one for each theme; (3) release a moderate number of Ben> packages each containing a few themes. Ben> I am hesitant to do (1) because of the user's disk space usage. Ben> I am hesitant to do (2) because I'm not sure that debian wants a Ben> million kde-theme-* packages on its servers. I like (2). [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/$ apt-cache search . | wc -l 7230 what's another 40 packages? rob
