To: John Gay
Regarding upgrading a Potato Debian to Woody, I beseech you for aid! Given your hints that there is a point in the installation process where you can choose to install Woody instead of Potato, I wiped my disk for the third time and proceeded with a reinstall. Failure. I noticed no point which was an opportunity to install Woody and ended up with a Potato box again. I quickly fixed LILO to let me get back to Windows 2000 so I could e-mail this message. I read over the installation manual included on the Debian CD in both HTML and PDF format with no enlightenment occurring. Mommy, make Debian give me Woody! Bahahaha -- Yes, I'm almost at the point of tears, at least metaphorically speaking. Robert P.S. Nor can I find a document entitled "How To Select Potato / Woody / Sid" on GNU/Debian. P.P.S. Could you please send me your e-mail address again as the previous mail is on my Linux partition.
Re: Pre-compiled Quanta available?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 29. May 2001 23:51, Chris Howells wrote: > Due to the fact that I'm having trouble compiling Quanta (it can't find > -lssl), I'm wondering if it's possible to get a binary version of Quanta > from anywhere? did you try "apt-get install quanta" with one of the KDE2 sources? HS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7FDK8zvr6q9zCwcERAp4EAJ9r2MQEWPFb9h246EX5MSs3EXeYYQCdEu0t FbkJBmlWOzzWENWX1/I/dD8= =98Fk -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Pre-compiled Quanta available?
Due to the fact that I'm having trouble compiling Quanta (it can't find -lssl), I'm wondering if it's possible to get a binary version of Quanta from anywhere? -- Cheers, Chris Howells -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.chowells.uklinux.net
Re: KDM Failure + Kcontrol errors
>So, I shall write what modules fail: > >look & feel : system notifications >sound:midi >sound:sound server These are all sound related. I'm no expert with sound, especially since I've got an ISA card and had to load the modules manually to get it to work. My MIDI still isn't working properly. This is probably due to the wrong modules, but I prefer timidity++ to my cheep sound card MIDI devices anyway. I know that my artsd didn't start up automatically anymore after I did my last dist-upgrade, but when I installed the kdebase-audiolibs it started working again. There might be other problems causing your sound troubles but I'm no expert with sound so hopefully someone else can offer better advice. >system: login manager kind of disabled..broken kdm? > This is probably due to your kdm problems. login manager IS kdm. As I said, I found gdm to be better because they have a way of registering window managers with gdm and just installing a new window manager will update gdm. kdm, on the other hand needs to be manually updated, though there was talk of setting up some auto-update for kdm, I'm not sure how far that got. >odd... > >If you do know a valid potato mirror..please send it to me.. >I'm compiling kde form source now, and it takes a while... >I started yesterdaynight :) I'll include this again, for completeness. There are probably others and Ivan has said that there will be a new master site soon. Hello: I am a mirror maintainer of two sites that are shown in: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:wO2peEYStdk:kde.tdyc.com/+kde+tdyc&hl=en , i.e.: -http://sapi.vlsm.org -http://kambing.vlsm.org > >Euhm, about the potato getting dated..I agree to that but as long >woody isn't seen as stable, people should take care for it too > Yes, woody, I.E. testing is not fully stable, however it is supposed to be fairly close. Packages in testing are supposed to be free of release critical bugs for some time before they are accepted into testing. This does not guarantee that you won't have problems with it, but the problems you do have should not be disastrous. Also, if more people are working with testing then Debian gets more bug reports and can get more fixed faster. So the general guidelines I follow are: If you know very little about Linux, computer internals or just want rock-solid operation without too many headaches and are willing to use dated software for stability, then stick with stable. If you are familiar with Linux and the general configurations and such, are looking for recent software but still want a system that won't completely break from time to time, you might consider trying testing. You shouldn't need to be an expert to keep testing working and you will get more recent versions of software. Also, your feedback to problems you do see with help the project immensely I would not run a mission critical system on testing, but I run my home system on Progeny, which is testing with some additions. If you are a Linux or UNIX expert, enjoy working with the latest and greatest and can live with the occasional broken system then unstable is probably what you want. Especially if you have good bug squashing skills and can track down bizarre problems. By no means run your regular system on unstable unless your are willing to live without it and re-build it from time to time. These are just my suggestions. I'm sure many others have their own views. After all, Ivan's kde for potato was beta anyway. This was my understanding when I started using his kde deb's on my system. Granted they were more stable than most beta software I've seen, but they did have their occasional breaks, though short-lived. So most people here should be forewarned and might want to consider trying testing. The sooner we can iron out the bugs in testing, the sooner testing will freeze and potato will become history. And thus the circle of life continues, sorry Disney ; ) >Greetz, > >hdcool > Cheers, John Gay
Re: Problems Upgrading To Woody
I'm glad my advice worked better than your last attempt. Unfortunately upgrading X can be very tricky. I've had quite a few issues trying to get X4.x.x working, but I think it's just the completely new design of X. As I said, the Debian site should have installation instructions for each version available. I don't have URL's at the moment because I'm at work and don't have Internet access. Any version-update can be problematic. Debian seems to be better behaved than most, though. If the dist-upgrade to woody directly still gave problems, I would think the next thing to try would be a fresh installation of testing directly. Again, check for instalation instructions on Debians main site. Another option is to try Progeny, which is Debian-based and headed by Debians founder. This is testing with some really nice installation GUI's and fairly good autodetection tools. The only down-side to Progeny is their latest KDE is 2.0.0-final. I overcame this by pointing to Ivan's site and upgrading KDE from there, but with that site gone, you will have to use one of the mirrors. I hope this is of some use to you and good luck with the upgrade to testing. It's not completely stable but it's supposed to be better than unstable had been in the past. Feel free to ask me directly for any other help I can give. I've also got a home address at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] They are both on this list so I can keep up with developments from work and at home. Cheers, John Gay
Problems Upgrading To Woody
Given that KDE is now a part of Woody and active development (or re-development by the illustrious Mr. Moore II has ceased) I have sought to upgrade my Potato platform to Testing. Problem? The first assay I did in these untested waters was to simply change all occurrences of "stable" in my sources.list file to "testing". This led to multiple dependency problems when I did an apt-get upgrade. There was too much work to do to correct my machine, so I wiped and reloaded. The second time I followed some advice I had received and changed "stable" to "woody" then proceeded with an apt-get dist-upgrade. This was better and I actually began the process of changing to XFree86 4.0.3 (which was my main goal, aside from KDE). Problems arose again and given my frustration level at this and the lateness of the hour, I wiped and reloaded Potato. This morning I decided to ask for help from the group. Where are some instructions on safely and cleanly upgrading to Woody? I know I can play around with my sources.list and apt-get but I would like to read some documentation that tells where to point apt-get and what procedure to follow. Thank you for any information! Robert "The Meticulous" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Audio problems w/es1371
On Mon, May 28, 2001 at 09:36:31PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > First, the freezing problem. This primarly happens with the console > > > beep in KDE2's 'konsole' program. I can make the beep in konsole as > > > many times as I like with no problems, but after a beep has been > > > played in konsole, the sound driver goes into a weird state for around > > > 30 seconds or more, where if any other program is loaded that tries to > > > play sounds (xmms, snes9x, rocknes, and so forth) there will either be > > > an error (rocknes says "Cannot find sound card"), or more commonly, > > > the program will simply freeze hard for 30 seconds or so, and then > > > start executing normally as soon as the driver decides it wants to > > > work again. > > > KDE has a special daemon to handle sound. When a KDE programm wants to use the sound, the daemon locks the device and allows the programm to play. Other programms can't play sound during this time and have to wait until KDE is ready. When it is the sound deamon (artsd) goes to sleep and another application can play sound. -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- People just generally like to disagree. Bill Joy
Re: WM (KDE) themes - current plan
Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> immo vero scripsit > John Galt raises an important point here. I've posted small shots of all the > themes at http://people.debian.org/~bab/themes/ and I would love if people > could take a glance and point out any obvious copyright violations. Some > themes are original, some are based on IceWM themes according to the author's > comments. Your ITP only says they are GPL. It's not quite clear where things are taken from. Reading the documentation this guy seems to have gotten a screenshot and changed color (MacBlue). Matthe looks like an Aqua theme to me, and microGUI seems strikingly similar to QNX. However, "is looking similar to one" a big problem ? If so, sawmill seems to contain a theme that resembles QNX, for example. regards, junichi -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GE d+ s:- a-- C+ UL P- L+++ E W++ N o-- K- w++ O- M- V-- PS+ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t-- 5 X-- R* tv- b+ DI- D++ G e h* r% !y+ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
Re: KDE and crypto
Am Tuesday 29 May 2001 00:02 schrieb Ivan E. Moore II: > JAVA SSL support requires a seperate JAVA package..or rather a "non-free" > (I believe) .jar file from SUN's site...I don't remember the url off the > top of my head... You need the Java secure socket extensions from Sun if you are running jdk 1.3. The URL is: http://java.sun.com/products/jsse/ Extract the zip file, copy jcert.jar, jnet.jar and jsse.jar to /usr/share/apps/kjava and restart Konqueror. The good news is that these extensions are integrated in Java 1.4, so hopefully SSL problems with Java applets in Konqueror will be a non issue in autumn, when Java 1.4 is released. -- WfG, Chris
