Re: schmoozing for Ivan....

2001-09-22 Thread David Bishop
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Crap.  In fact, I'll repeat that.  Crap, crap, crap.  I forgot that paypal 
puts a limit on how much you can recieve into an account each month unless 
you upgrade, the cap being $100.  Well, due to the generousness of the 
people on this list, we are really close to that limit (I think we're at 
$90).  That means I just had to upgrade to a premier account, which also 
means paypal starts dinging 2.9% + $.30 per transaction.  So out of $100, 
we lose $3.20 :-(  Just thought I would mention this so that if anyone else 
had a better solution (i.e., fee-less online accounting) we could use that 
instead.  

Oh, and a heartfelf thanks to James Morton and David Kuntz for helping reach 
that $100 limit :-)

'Night,

D.A.Bishop
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xinerama

2001-09-22 Thread David Bishop
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Speaking of 2.2.1, does xinerama work for anyone else after upgrading?  It's 
not even an option in window behavior- advanced, anymore.  And judging by 
the behavior (bad, old, maximize across both screens) I would guess it isn't 
working.  Did Ivan forget to compile --with-xinerama?  Hrrm, well, I can wait 
until Monday for him to fix it

D.A.Bishop
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PLESE help me with my kppp connection PLEASE

2001-09-22 Thread todd mansill
My kppp connection fails giving the following message:
The remote server is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any 
suitanle secret(password) for it to use to do so.
(None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)

Have tried all the things I have found to fix this but no success - probably 
due to the fact I know very little about it all really and need so help 
PLEASE.

Thanks heaps
Todd
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Re: KDE 2.2.1 Dependencies

2001-09-22 Thread adcarlson
Progeny is based on Woody...therefore the new KDE will install properly perhaps
with a few minor updates.

Potato, could be a problem, although perhaps not.

On 21-Sep-2001 Andy Zbikowski (Zibby) wrote:
 There's no way you will be able to install Woody or Sid KDE packages on
 Potato. I even tried compiling the new packages on my Progeny machine and
 they wouldn't build.
 
 In the short run, it seems the best way to get 2.2.1 on your Potato or
 Progeny systems is to build from source. It's actually not that bad once
 you have all the build dependiencies installed.
 
 Just setenv KDEDIR /usr/local/kde-2.2.1 (csh) and add
 /usr/local/kde2.2.1/bin to your path.
 
 So far my build notes look like this:
 kdelibs: ./configure --disable-cups
 cups support doesn't like to build agnist the cups libs in
   Progeny. Things work fine without.
 kdebase: ./configure --without-gl
 Some GL stuff doesn't want to build. No big loss, most
   machines I'm bouilding this for have POS video anyway.
 
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Re: xinerama

2001-09-22 Thread Achim Bohnet
On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 12:18:46AM -0600, David Bishop wrote:
 
 Speaking of 2.2.1, does xinerama work for anyone else after upgrading?  It's 
 not even an option in window behavior- advanced, anymore.  And judging by 
 the behavior (bad, old, maximize across both screens) I would guess it isn't 
 working.  Did Ivan forget to compile --with-xinerama?  Hrrm, well, I can wait 
 until Monday for him to fix it

I read in the changelogs that xinerama is disabled.  Don't know why but
looks like it was no accident.

Achim
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Re: PLESE help me with my kppp connection PLEASE

2001-09-22 Thread Bill Leach
You need to put noauth (without the quotes) into your:
/etc/ppp/peers/provider file.

By default the /etc/ppp/options file has options set to require authorization.
It could be a hugh security hole for many systems to ship with ppp allowing 
any caller to log into your system.

Programs that set up your ppp/chat dialup configuration should place the 
noauth option into the provider file (provider is the default name but 
other names are possible).

DO NOT change the entry in your /etc/ppp/options files as then your dial up 
ability will break anytime that pppd is upgraded.

This is really not a KDE issue unless your dial up was configured using KDE 
tools and the tool failed to configure properly.



On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 06:31:30AM +, todd mansill wrote:
 
 My kppp connection fails giving the following message:
 
 The remote server is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't find any 
 suitanle secret(password) for it to use to do so.
 (None of the available passwords would let it use an IP address.)
 
 Have tried all the things I have found to fix this but no success - probably 
 due to the fact I know very little about it all really and need so help 
 PLEASE.
 
 Thanks heaps
 Todd
 
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Re: KDE Control Center acting weird

2001-09-22 Thread George Russell
On Saturday 22 September 2001 12:21 am, David Nielsen wrote:
 I just upgraded to SID in order to try out KDE 2.2.1, but now my Control
 Center is acting all weird, I get this error message when clicking on most
 of the topics:
 ---
 There was an error loading the module.
 The diagnostics is:

Your kdecontrol panel is out of sync with its entries, such as desktop 
preferences. Everything compiled with the same compiler from the same kde 
version? 

I get that error with out of date entries hanging around.

George




Re: KDE Control Center acting weird

2001-09-22 Thread David Nielsen
On Saturday 22 September 2001 12:33, George Russell wrote:
 On Saturday 22 September 2001 12:21 am, David Nielsen wrote:
  I just upgraded to SID in order to try out KDE 2.2.1, but now my Control
  Center is acting all weird, I get this error message when clicking on
  most of the topics:
  ---
  There was an error loading the module.
  The diagnostics is:

 Your kdecontrol panel is out of sync with its entries, such as desktop
 preferences. Everything compiled with the same compiler from the same kde
 version?

 I get that error with out of date entries hanging around.

 George

Well, I got the debs from SID... soo you better ask Ivan..

- David




Strange delays - new to this Please Help! Thanks

2001-09-22 Thread todd mansill
Hi All,
Sorry about the multiple To: but I'm new to this and I don't know what 
category this falls into: My PC is running KDE2 and I put a program called 
cnet (network layer simulator) which requires tcl/tk to run it's windows on 
and for some reason the program takes 3 minutes before the windows are 
displayed. When I run this at Uni it is instant.

Also, I just tried to set up my 56K modem and I ran a program called ppp-up 
and followed to instructions to the tee. For some reason once I ran this 
program, my modem connected but Netscape didn't seem to think so. Ever since 
this My KDE has thrown its toys. It now hangs on every window open (between 
30secs - 1min). When my PC boots up it hangs for about a minute on the line:

Starting system log daemon : syslogd
and then also for about another minute when loading the window manager. It 
now takes aboout 5-7 minutes for KDE to load up. Please can someone help me 
with these problems.

Thanks heaps
Todd
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Re: 2.2.1

2001-09-22 Thread Malte Cornils
David Bishop wrote:
 Sound agreeable?

Jens or someone else, can you take Überweisungen (money transfers)
from Germany to your bank account and send them to David somehow
(via Paypal or whatever)? I neither have Paypal nor a credit card.

Thanks,

Yours Malte #8-)




Re: xinerama

2001-09-22 Thread David Bishop
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Ah, thank you.  I didn't even stop to think that it would be on purpose :-)  
Well, as I said, I can wait until at least Monday...

D.A.Bishop

On Saturday 22 September 2001 01:26, Achim Bohnet wrote:
 On Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 12:18:46AM -0600, David Bishop wrote:
  Speaking of 2.2.1, does xinerama work for anyone else after upgrading? 
  It's not even an option in window behavior- advanced, anymore.  And
  judging by the behavior (bad, old, maximize across both screens) I would
  guess it isn't working.  Did Ivan forget to compile --with-xinerama? 
  Hrrm, well, I can wait until Monday for him to fix it

 I read in the changelogs that xinerama is disabled.  Don't know why but
 looks like it was no accident.

 Achim
 P.S. Install apt-listchanges, really useful.

  D.A.Bishop
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Re: KDE 2.2.1 Dependencies

2001-09-22 Thread John Gay
Actually, Progeny is based on Potato, with quite a bit of testing and a few
new packages thrown in. Upgrading Progeny to KDE2.2 would be only slightly
easier that upgrading Potato. I've had a look at what Progeny wants to
upgrade to install KDE2.2 and I won't try it yet. I'm still waiting for the
freeze to try KDE2.2.

If you are that adventurous to try KDE2.2 then just upgrade to woody now
and give it a go. Lots of people on this list seem to like it. I'm just not
that brave.

Cheers,

 John Gay




Re: Strange delays - new to this Please Help! Thanks

2001-09-22 Thread Martin Albert
Hi, Todd!

You should first mail to debian-user for questions like this. d-anounce 
is definitely the wrong place. I left the other list adresses in for 
this mail, so that people know that there was an answer to your 
request. When you reply, please consider to remove some more.

I can only guess that you hosed your network setup.
Although networking is well structured, it may well look confusing to a 
newbie at first.

The reason for most delays are network packets send to unknown or 
unreachable hosts. Timeouts then are the only indication for the local 
host that sth. is wrong and they may take a while (you wouldn't want to 
loose your packets to mars because of timeouts).

The most important network inside your linux box is the unix network.

Everything else is for most installations TCP/IP networking.

Some files in the /etc directory (where all the configuration for your 
machine is stored) store the basic networking configuration:
hosts   - your local 'DNS'. Hostnames to IP-Numbers table. Only used when
host.conf - contains 'order host,...', see? The file
resolv.conf - at last stores adresses of name servers.

If any of your programs calls for a host by its name, this has to be 
translated (looked up) into the corresponding IP number, as the network 
itself doesn't know anything about names. If this lookup process is 
misconfigured, the resulting timeouts make up already for quite a delay.

Now all your packets have to find their way through the network. This 
is known as 'routing'. See the 'route' and 'ping' commands.

Most networking commands have an option like '-n', that makes them 
output (N)umbers instead of names. Trying one and the same command that 
hangs without -n once again with -n and it works, shows you clearly 
that you have a problem looking up names.

KDE is communicating a lot, fix your network and retry.

You found out that networking is very important these days.
Try to read up on how this is handled with linux and the tools.
You won't have to install obscure tools then, to try to make it, hm, 
work, as it did under this other non-free os ...

There are a lot of good readings on the internet. For a fine catalog 
with well defined topics you might want to look at 'dmoz.org'.
This one is FREE!

Have fun! martin




Re: PLESE help me with my kppp connection PLEASE

2001-09-22 Thread Martin Albert
On Saturday 22 September 2001 08:31, todd mansill wrote:
 My kppp connection fails giving the following message:

 The remote server is required to authenticate itself but I couldn't
--^^^--^
 find any suitanle secret(password) for it to use to do so.

You try to force your isp to authenticate against you. While this ... 
short, they're bigger, you loose.

The relevant config script (don't know what kppp produces, usually 
there are some of them hanging around) you have to define:

noauth

Please ask questions about using debian on the debian-user mailing list.

greetings, martin




Problem with apt and kdemultimedia-dev

2001-09-22 Thread Robert Tilley
The following error messages arose during a recent use of apt and I need a 
way to correct the situation.  Any information is most appreciated.

tillarium:/home/tilleyrw# apt-get -f install kdemultimedia-dev
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kdemultimedia-dev
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0  not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/100kB of archives. After unpacking 1450kB will be used.
(Reading database ... 84575 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking kdemultimedia-dev (from .../kdemultimedia-dev_4%3a2.2.1-1_i386.deb) 
...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-dev_4%3a2.2.1-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libmpeg.so', which is also in package 
libmpeg-dev
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/kdemultimedia-dev_4%3a2.2.1-1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
tillarium:/home/tilleyrw#

Again, any information leading to the unraveling of this tangled web is most 
appreciated.  Thank you.
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Re: Strange delays - new to this Please Help! Thanks

2001-09-22 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Sat, Sep 22, 2001 at 12:12:48PM +, todd mansill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 Sorry about the multiple To: 

*DON'T* cross post.

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Re: Problem with apt and kdemultimedia-dev

2001-09-22 Thread Jason Boxman
On Saturday 22 September 2001 05:38 pm, Robert Tilley wrote:
 The following error messages arose during a recent use of apt and I need a
 way to correct the situation.  Any information is most appreciated.


Well, I had that happen when I upgrade kdebase and libkonq or something.  I 
ran a

dpkg --reconfigure --pending

and then a

apt-get -f install

And it seemed to sort itself out.  No errors while upgrading packages or any 
other odd issues.

Maybe that'll fix you up too.

snip  log

 Again, any information leading to the unraveling of this tangled web is
 most appreciated.  Thank you.