Re: meta-kde package and Testing
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 09:51:44PM +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: > Is there any chance that the meta-kde package can make it into testing > before release? > > Sorry, this has probably been asked many many times... (where's the > answer, debian-devel ?) You'll have to check with the KDE maintainer, Chris Cheney. Somebody really needs to take it over and sort out its bugs - see #135796. -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
packages tasksel expects to find in woody, that arn't there
Tasksel expects to find a bunch of packages in woody that arn't there. This is not often a big deal; the missing packages will be silently skipped. That can sorta suck if it is one of the core packages in the task though. Of particular note is the missing KDE metapackage, which means that new woody installs do not get KDE at all, although tasksel claims to let you pick it as part of the desktop task. Someone needs to begin maintaining that package, fix its dependancy problems, and get it into woody posthaste. No cxterm-gb! No cxterm-big5! update-excuses hates it. If anyone cares about cxterm, someone needs to figure out why it has all these unsatisfiable Depends. No kde! Again, very, very bad. No asiya24-vfont! Has some RC bugs. Seems to be in the process of being removed, according to update-excuses, although they are all fixed. Hmm. No junior-programming! I wonder there this went. Ben? No python-base! No dpkg-python! No python-distutils! No python-mxdatetime! No python-mxstack! No python-mxtexttools! No python-mxtools! No python-pam! No pythondoc! No sulfur! Someone who cares about python needs to look at its task and send us a corrected version. Preferably a much smaller corrected version, the current one is ridiculously bloated. No mueller7-dict! Has rc bugs, and updates-excuses implies it is in the process of being removed. No dialdcost! Was only in stable, is there a replacement in unstable? -- see shy jo
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 22:42, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: > Hello PPL, > > not much heard about KDE3.deb lately. Are there any KDE3 > alpha/experimental debs around? Until last time when I worked upstream on > karm Ivan's alpha stuff did fine for me, but that's no longer the case it > seems. > > I'd really could use *any* quality of KDE-head debs, I only need to be > able to aproximately compile and start some stuff to check features etc. > It doesn't have to be anything near perfect or stable. > > *t > Hey folks, I'm new to the list, so forgive me if I ask silly questions :-p On a related note to Tomas' post, I noticed KDE3 (well, the splash screen at least :-) went into the unstable release a few weeks ago, but as of yet there has been no further updates. Is this normal practice, or does KDE take a little bit longer to settle in with Debian?? Cheers folks, Kyle
KDE3 alpha .debs around?
Hello PPL, not much heard about KDE3.deb lately. Are there any KDE3 alpha/experimental debs around? Until last time when I worked upstream on karm Ivan's alpha stuff did fine for me, but that's no longer the case it seems. I'd really could use *any* quality of KDE-head debs, I only need to be able to aproximately compile and start some stuff to check features etc. It doesn't have to be anything near perfect or stable. *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux & Open Source Solutions http://sourcepole.ch Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11
Re: Will KDE make it into Woody?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 02:58:28AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As everyone else on this list knows dates like are meaningless since > > it is impossible to predict what will come up and I do have lots of > > outside pressures that will take away some time. However, if you want > > I think, rather than "meaningless", a better phrase would be "subject to > change". The date infomation is, in fact, meaningfull. [Even with the > "subject > to change" proviso.] They can actually be meaningless since they can be seen to be misleading if they change. That's why I ignored this list. > This different choice of wording is important, because, IMO, some people in > Debian adopt a philosophy of "it's ready when it's ready", which I believe > does > actual damage to the Debian project, and FreeSW in general. Although I won't > do an analysis of this here [even though I believe it to be a very significant > current issue for the Debian project, which deserves significant consideration > (and discussion)] I think it would be worthwhile for you to consider > evaluating > this perspective, and see if you find it valueable to adopt, yourself. So you mean stuff should be ready *before* it's ready? Good plan! Debian doesn't have to move slower than time, but it doesn't have to be full of half-baked shit, either. > [Interested readers can learn more relevant to this issue at > Debian doesn't have to be slower than time. Joel Baker > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200202/msg01069.html ] > > > a pretty date list here it is. > > > > 2/24 - finish kdebase > > 2/25 - finish kdeadmin > > 2/26 - finish kdegraphics > > 2/27 - finish kdemultimedia > > 2/28 - finish kdenetwork > > 3/ 1 - finish kdepim > > 3/ 2 - finish kdeutils > > 3/ 3 - finish kde-meta > > 3/ 4 - finish kde-i18n > > 3/ 5 - finish kdebindings > > 3/ 6 - finish kdoc > > > > kdebase appears to be the biggest obstacle currently, and the others > > are probably easier to fix. I have been working on kdebase for about > > 5 days so far and I think it is almost finished. > > At what point in the above schedule will the Debian archive be in a state that > doing > > apt-get update > apt-get upgrade > apt-get install kde > > will properly install the kde metapackage on a bare Sid system? After the > (projected) 3/3 "finish kde-meta" is done? > > Also: Same question, but for kdebase. > > Request: Will you please send a message to the list when those are actually > ready to go, so those who are waiting for those events will know it's safe to > now do those installs? > > Also: If you would fit it in your schedule to do a weekly update/(progress > report) on the schedule, that would be very helpful. Why don't you do this, based on information you've collected? You're the only one agitating for it. -- Daniel Stone<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> DanielS: it wont let me post i click preview wolfie: have you ever thought to hit OK? oh yeah just figured that out pgpJCTfLnEmGK.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Little Konqueror Irritations
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 25 February 2002 19:02, Jens Benecke wrote: > > > I am not sure what the problem is. I am using 1600x1200 and on > > my > screen it looks centered. Maybe the source is hardcoded for > > a fixed > location? > > > > I'm using it on 1024x768 and half of it is offscreen. Either it > > is a fixed location, or - at least it looks like it - it is > > opened in the bottom left corner (always!?!) and then resizes to > > a greater size. > > Actually I think it _is_ opened centered, then loads the first > plugin - which resizes the window, but only down/right, and doesn't > re-center.. Yeah, I observed that, too. Did you try the latest CVS version? For me, it doesn't work in KDE 2.2.2 but in my development version (~1 week old CVS checkout), it works (at least when the windows initially opens; clicking on 'Crypto' still enlarges the window off-screen). So, this seems to (mostly) be fixed upstream. - -- - -M - --- Magnus von Koeller --- email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] address: Georg-Westermann-Allee 76 38104 Braunschweig Germany phone:+49-531-2094886 mobile: +49-179-4562940 web: http://www.vonkoeller.de -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8eo0FUIvM6e6BgFARArkpAKCmJwsrHMd63+bdVIWgQ/evkr07DQCeOWCT vOCSqcPW7/x9KWLZ6Z8026c= =UKWa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- The gods alone know how/why this was sent to the list! I apologize NOW! It certianly wasn't intended to be. Again, I apologize. Regards, RedFaced Griz On Thursday 15 November 2001 10:33 am, G. L. `Griz' Inabnit wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > /usr/local/sbin/time > > #!/bin/sh > # /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/time > # Script to update system time whenever connected to the internet > # > # if these fail refer to: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ntp.html > rdate ntp0.cornell.edu >> /var/log/time.log > hwclock --systohc > > - -- > ___ >___ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon > http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 > Toll Free (866) 562-7160 > Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts >Via ICQ: UIN 138930 > > "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" > -anonymous- > > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! > > "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus > Torvalds > > "As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to > advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal > amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product." - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Toll Free (866) 562-7160 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus Torvalds "As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product." gawk; talk; nice; date; wine; grep; touch; unzip; touch; gasp; finger; gasp; lyx; mount; fsck; more; yes; gasp; umount; make clean; make mrproper; sleep. -- Just another *nix date --
Re: time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thursday 15 November 2001 10:33 am, G. L. `Griz' Inabnit wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > /usr/local/sbin/time > > #!/bin/sh > # /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/time > # Script to update system time whenever connected to the internet > # > # if these fail refer to: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ntp.html > rdate ntp0.cornell.edu >> /var/log/time.log > hwclock --systohc > > damn!! sorry guys. i didn't know that if i started a mail from a subfolder, it would put the mailing filter address of the subfilter in the TO: line. My appologies! - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Toll Free (866) 562-7160 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus Torvalds "As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product."
time
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- /usr/local/sbin/time #!/bin/sh # /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/time # Script to update system time whenever connected to the internet # # if these fail refer to: http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/ntp.html rdate ntp0.cornell.edu >> /var/log/time.log hwclock --systohc - -- __ OutCast Computer Consultants of Central Oregon http://outcast-consultants.redmond.or.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] (541) 504-1388 Toll Free (866) 562-7160 Via IRC at; 205.227.115.251:6667:#OutCasts Via ICQ: UIN 138930 "Failure is not an option...it's bundled with Microsoft" -anonymous- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! "Software is like sex. They're both better when they're free!!" - Linus Torvalds "As a computing professional, I believe it would be unethical for me to advise, recommend, or support the use (save possibly for personal amusement) of any product that is or depends on any Microsoft product."
Re: Little Konqueror Irritations
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 23 February 2002 07:37 am, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: > > > Secondly, the reason I'm using it so much, I have the following in my > > > "No Proxy for" list: > > > > > > *.sun.ac.za > > > > This doesn't work. See http://bugs.kde.org/db/16/16136.html > > Hmm, pity a fix will possibly not be in time for Woody? :-\ Take out the *. I.e., I have "no proxy for" localhost and micron.com, and that covers all "sub"-hosts as well. - -- D.A.Bishop -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8elIlEHLN/FXAbC0RAt7GAJ4vvlz1MlSFaj6ZyYpeFpaM9wUnQACg0XLD Vhcy4nzxBwxp7QbUyW4KjtU= =6/l2 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Will KDE make it into Woody?
Thanks. Great list. --- Chris Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As everyone else on this list knows dates like are meaningless since > it is impossible to predict what will come up and I do have lots of > outside pressures that will take away some time. However, if you want I think, rather than "meaningless", a better phrase would be "subject to change". The date infomation is, in fact, meaningfull. [Even with the "subject to change" proviso.] This different choice of wording is important, because, IMO, some people in Debian adopt a philosophy of "it's ready when it's ready", which I believe does actual damage to the Debian project, and FreeSW in general. Although I won't do an analysis of this here [even though I believe it to be a very significant current issue for the Debian project, which deserves significant consideration (and discussion)] I think it would be worthwhile for you to consider evaluating this perspective, and see if you find it valueable to adopt, yourself. [Interested readers can learn more relevant to this issue at Debian doesn't have to be slower than time. Joel Baker http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200202/msg01069.html ] > a pretty date list here it is. > > 2/24 - finish kdebase > 2/25 - finish kdeadmin > 2/26 - finish kdegraphics > 2/27 - finish kdemultimedia > 2/28 - finish kdenetwork > 3/ 1 - finish kdepim > 3/ 2 - finish kdeutils > 3/ 3 - finish kde-meta > 3/ 4 - finish kde-i18n > 3/ 5 - finish kdebindings > 3/ 6 - finish kdoc > > kdebase appears to be the biggest obstacle currently, and the others > are probably easier to fix. I have been working on kdebase for about > 5 days so far and I think it is almost finished. Great work! At what point in the above schedule will the Debian archive be in a state that doing apt-get update apt-get upgrade apt-get install kde will properly install the kde metapackage on a bare Sid system? After the (projected) 3/3 "finish kde-meta" is done? Also: Same question, but for kdebase. Request: Will you please send a message to the list when those are actually ready to go, so those who are waiting for those events will know it's safe to now do those installs? Also: If you would fit it in your schedule to do a weekly update/(progress report) on the schedule, that would be very helpful. TIA. :) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: Will KDE make it into Woody?
On Sunday 24 February 2002 05:23 am, Daniel Stone wrote: > No, the number 1 priority is the maintainer's personal life. Give Chris > a break, he's a busy man. He's also doing a fucking good job. Excuse my > French, but it's very very hard to maintain KDE, and I think Chris is > doing an outstanding job. You're right, absolutely right about that. However, I think that sometimes people have to realize that sometimes they are at a point in their life in which they do not have time to deal with Debian packages. If he doesn't have time to maintain the KDE packages, then perhaps he should make that announcement. I did not make a judgement call on Ivan Moore when he left this project, because, as you say, KDE is an extremely difficult package to maintain. Now, I am not speaking for or against Mr. Cheney being maintainer as I too think he's doing a pretty good job. Whether or not he has the capability to maintain this package or not is a judgement call he must make, not us (to some degree.) My point is that we need to leave him alone on that decision since I don't think he has done anything significant that would make him a bad maintainer. We don't even know what he's doing behind the scenes. We need to give him the benefit of the doubt for a little longer. -- Alternate email addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
