Re: meta-kde package and Testing
--- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 09:51:44PM +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: Is there any chance that the meta-kde package can make it into testing before release? Sorry, this has probably been asked many many times... (where's the answer, debian-devel ?) You'll have to check with the KDE maintainer, Chris Cheney. Somebody really needs to take it over and sort out its bugs - see #135796. Since Chris is probably very busy working of the tasks shown below, 1) Let me make you aware of his recent comments (below) 2) ajt: If ccheney is roughly able to achieve his estimated schedule (below), will that be sufficient to meet the deadline for inclusion in Woody's release? 3) ajt: Is there a posted release time table? I looked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/ and http://www.debian.org/devel/ and didn't find a timetable there. Would it be a good idea to post a timetable for the release at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/ ? --- On 24 Feb 2002 12:08:45 -0600 Chris Cheney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As everyone else on this list knows dates like are meaningless since it is impossible to predict what will come up and I do have lots of outside pressures that will take away some time. However, if you want a pretty date list here it is. 2/24 - finish kdebase 2/25 - finish kdeadmin 2/26 - finish kdegraphics 2/27 - finish kdemultimedia 2/28 - finish kdenetwork 3/ 1 - finish kdepim 3/ 2 - finish kdeutils 3/ 3 - finish kde-meta 3/ 4 - finish kde-i18n 3/ 5 - finish kdebindings 3/ 6 - finish kdoc kdebase appears to be the biggest obstacle currently, and the others are probably easier to fix. I have been working on kdebase for about 5 days so far and I think it is almost finished. Debian Bug report logs - #135796 meta-kde: this package badly needs a maintainer, and badly needs to get into woody Package: meta-kde; Reported by: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dated Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:33:02 UTC; Maintainer for meta-kde is Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Source for meta-kde is (unknown). Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Bug#135796; Package meta-kde. Full text available. Acknowledgement sent to Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED]: New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Debian QA Group [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Full text available. Message received at [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Feb 2002 02:22:56 + From: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Debian Bug Tracking System [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: meta-kde: this package badly needs a maintainer, and badly needs to get into woody Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:25:25 -0500 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Package: meta-kde Version: N/A; reported 2002-02-25 Severity: normal Tasksel depends on the kde metapackages for its desktop task to work as advertised. Somehow that metapackage has not yet made it into woody. It is release critical that it does. The packages in this metapackage have a large number of unsatisfyable depends, according to the excuses page, expecially on non-i386, but on i386 as well. I'm not marking this bug as RC since this package needs to get into woody and that won't help. Tasksel will be receiving the RC bug. IF this is not quickly corrected, tasksel might be forced to drop support for KDE. Debian bug tracking system administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Last modified: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:44:37 UTC __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:28:08PM +, Kyle Gordon wrote: On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 22:42, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: not much heard about KDE3.deb lately. Are there any KDE3 alpha/experimental debs around? Until last time when I worked upstream on karm Ivan's alpha stuff did fine for me, but that's no longer the case it seems. I have experimental .deb's which do not work. Everything segfaults on load, I'm going to check this out, but it could be due to a botched local qt3 install. I'd really could use *any* quality of KDE-head debs, I only need to be able to aproximately compile and start some stuff to check features etc. It doesn't have to be anything near perfect or stable. Give me 24 hours or so. I'm new to the list, so forgive me if I ask silly questions :-p On a related note to Tomas' post, I noticed KDE3 (well, the splash screen at least :-) went into the unstable release a few weeks ago, but as of yet there has been no further updates. Is this normal practice, or does KDE take a little bit longer to settle in with Debian?? KDE3 is not in unstable, and won't be for some time. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] doogie I just go and break dpkg. that's my lot in life. pgpgQ8xqA1QCO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: packages tasksel expects to find in woody, that arn't there
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:15:06PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Of particular note is the missing KDE metapackage, which means that new woody installs do not get KDE at all, although tasksel claims to let you pick it as part of the desktop task. Someone needs to begin maintaining that package, fix its dependancy problems, and get it into woody posthaste. KDE is maintained, and works fine. kdelibs is sitting in incoming and AIUI needs an override to go in (even though it's not NEW). Most of its dependency problems are there; a kdebase package has also been prepared for upload to fix the other dependancy problem. Hopefully, with these uploads, meta-kde should hit woody. -d, crossing his fingers and knocking on wood(y?) -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] stibbons I'm sorry I'm a trendy breakdancer with orange sunglasses. pgpOZi5JzUsG8.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: meta-kde package and Testing
On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 10:24:30PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 09:51:44PM +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote: Is there any chance that the meta-kde package can make it into testing before release? Sorry, this has probably been asked many many times... (where's the answer, debian-devel ?) You'll have to check with the KDE maintainer, Chris Cheney. Somebody really needs to take it over and sort out its bugs - see #135796. Since Chris is probably very busy working of the tasks shown below, 1) Let me make you aware of his recent comments (below) 2) ajt: If ccheney is roughly able to achieve his estimated schedule (below), will that be sufficient to meet the deadline for inclusion in Woody's release? 3) ajt: Is there a posted release time table? I looked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/ and http://www.debian.org/devel/ and didn't find a timetable there. Would it be a good idea to post a timetable for the release at http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/ ? It's ready when it's ready when it's ready. You will find this philosophy all through Debian. It's not just debian-kde that's been telling you this. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] *** tbm has joined channel #debian-bugs weasel The Master is alive! weasel Has he found precious? weasel Has he found The Ring? tbm I search... tbm I eat tbm. tbm Right now I am working on his liver. tbm It is tasty. pgpog2oT5MtBS.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Daniel Stone wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:28:08PM +, Kyle Gordon wrote: On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 22:42, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: not much heard about KDE3.deb lately. Are there any KDE3 alpha/experimental debs around? Until last time when I worked upstream on karm Ivan's alpha stuff did fine for me, but that's no longer the case it seems. I have experimental .deb's which do not work. Everything segfaults on load, I'm going to check this out, but it could be due to a botched local qt3 install. I'd really could use *any* quality of KDE-head debs, I only need to be able to aproximately compile and start some stuff to check features etc. It doesn't have to be anything near perfect or stable. Give me 24 hours or so. Absolutely no problem. But please (that's a plea only, no pressure in my voice) give feedback to the list as soon as there's *anything* available. Thanks a lot Daniel, *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://sourcepole.ch Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 12:47:56PM +0100, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Daniel Stone wrote: On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 22:42, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: I'd really could use *any* quality of KDE-head debs, I only need to be able to aproximately compile and start some stuff to check features etc. It doesn't have to be anything near perfect or stable. Give me 24 hours or so. Absolutely no problem. But please (that's a plea only, no pressure in my voice) give feedback to the list as soon as there's *anything* available. Update: I need to change /usr/share/kde3 to /usr/share for it to work (long story), but my build box is suddenly unroutable due to @home being stupid. Shit! Ironic that it's always up when I'm tooling around just trying to get the answer with no firm idea, yet when I know exactly what I want, it's screwed. Great. -- Daniel Stone[EMAIL PROTECTED] * wiggy points people to arcanum.co.nz wiggy apparently it's fun asuffield wiggy: the last time you said that we lost an entire weekend of useful activity to cocklefighting pgpDWHJXgxVRL.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Window Raise from konsole
On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:52:41AM +0100, Oleg Cherkasov wrote: I have process running in konsole, so I would like to bring this window up as soon as something will happened in it. The idea is to have a script which accepts one argument, window name. This window will be raised ... The KDE 3 konsole will be much improved. It talks about Monitoring for activity and/or silence, sending of input to all sessions (cluster management) [1] Maybe the monitoring will do what you're after. Chris [1] http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-features.html -- Chris Halls | Frankfurt, Germany | apt-proxy pgpBDVKmIadUm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
This is fine if you want to do this, but I am of the opinion that putting up KDE3 now is superfluous work since it is on the verge of its stable release. I think if we wait a little longer, we would benefit more since we will eventually have to compile that anyway and compiling takes a while. Rene On Tuesday 26 February 2002 12:29 am, Daniel Stone wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2002 at 11:28:08PM +, Kyle Gordon wrote: On Mon, 2002-02-25 at 22:42, Tomas Pospisek's Mailing Lists wrote: not much heard about KDE3.deb lately. Are there any KDE3 alpha/experimental debs around? Until last time when I worked upstream on karm Ivan's alpha stuff did fine for me, but that's no longer the case it seems. I have experimental .deb's which do not work. Everything segfaults on load, I'm going to check this out, but it could be due to a botched local qt3 install. I'd really could use *any* quality of KDE-head debs, I only need to be able to aproximately compile and start some stuff to check features etc. It doesn't have to be anything near perfect or stable. Give me 24 hours or so. I'm new to the list, so forgive me if I ask silly questions :-p On a related note to Tomas' post, I noticed KDE3 (well, the splash screen at least :-) went into the unstable release a few weeks ago, but as of yet there has been no further updates. Is this normal practice, or does KDE take a little bit longer to settle in with Debian?? KDE3 is not in unstable, and won't be for some time. -- Alternate email addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Window Raise from konsole
On Tuesday 26 February 2002 13:35, Chris Halls wrote: On Fri, Feb 22, 2002 at 10:52:41AM +0100, Oleg Cherkasov wrote: I have process running in konsole, so I would like to bring this window up as soon as something will happened in it. The idea is to have a script which accepts one argument, window name. This window will be raised ... The KDE 3 konsole will be much improved. It talks about Monitoring for activity and/or silence, sending of input to all sessions (cluster management) [1] Maybe the monitoring will do what you're after. Chris [1] http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.0-features.html Thanks, but I found a solution for my problem: rxvt + xtctl http://freshmeat.net/projects/xtctl/ Oleg
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Daniel Stone wrote: Update: I need to change /usr/share/kde3 to /usr/share for it to work (long story), but my build box is suddenly unroutable due to @home being stupid. Shit! Ironic that it's always up when I'm tooling around just trying to get the answer with no firm idea, yet when I know exactly what I want, it's screwed. Great. If you are having notorious problems with bandwidth/ horsepower/ connectivity I might try to help you. I'd take some time though. Please contact me if that's the case. *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://sourcepole.ch Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11
Re: packages tasksel expects to find in woody, that arn't there
Daniel Stone wrote: KDE is maintained, and works fine. kdelibs is sitting in incoming and AIUI needs an override to go in (even though it's not NEW). Most of its dependency problems are there; a kdebase package has also been prepared for upload to fix the other dependancy problem. Hopefully, with these uploads, meta-kde should hit woody. -d, crossing his fingers and knocking on wood(y?) aj reminded me that there was a reason we were trying to avoid using meta/task packages -- at least big ones that have the potential to go boom easily, and the above is why. On the other hand I don't want to have to track what is in the kde package by hand. So I have implemented something in tasksel that will automatically explode the task package into its dependancies and list all of those. Tasksel need only be rebuilt when the deps change. -- see shy jo
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DCOP/KDE IPC error
After installing the vncserver package, and running it several times, both as root and as myself, I'm now getting this error when logging into KDE. The startup screen shows Setting up IPC... and then displays the following message. 'There was some error setting up inter-process communication for KDE. The message returned by the system was:' 'Could not read the network connection list. /home/entropy/DCOPserver_hostname_:0' 'Please check that the dcopserver program is running!' I can still login as root and browse, but I'm completely stumped as to why this is happening. A bug filed against the VNC server package hints at permissions being munged after running it *before* KDE, but that isn't the case with me. I'm sorry I don't have more information. I've tried removing the files related to the user from /tmp to no avail, as well as the .DCOP* files in the users home dir. I can start the dcopserver from the command line, but this doesn't seem to affect logging in through KDM. I'm running unstable, and have had no problems till I ran the vncserver. Again, my apologies if this is not much. Any help is appreciated.
Re: packages tasksel expects to find in woody, that arn't there
On Tue, Feb 26, 2002 at 11:07:49AM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: Daniel Stone wrote: KDE is maintained, and works fine. kdelibs is sitting in incoming and AIUI needs an override to go in (even though it's not NEW). Most of its dependency problems are there; a kdebase package has also been prepared for upload to fix the other dependancy problem. Hopefully, with these uploads, meta-kde should hit woody. -d, crossing his fingers and knocking on wood(y?) aj reminded me that there was a reason we were trying to avoid using meta/task packages -- at least big ones that have the potential to go boom easily, and the above is why. On the other hand I don't want to have to track what is in the kde package by hand. So I have implemented something in tasksel that will automatically explode the task package into its dependancies and list all of those. Tasksel need only be rebuilt when the deps change. I am adding the meta packages to each kde source so they are rebuilt each time a new upload is done to fix any problems. example) kdelibs (meta) which depends on: libkdecore libkdecore-bin (...) then the kde (meta) package just depends on each of the others so it won't go boom (in theory). Chris
Re: KDE3 alpha .debs around?
On Tuesday 26 February 2002 04:33 am, Daniel Stone wrote: Update: I need to change /usr/share/kde3 to /usr/share for it to work (long story), but my build box is suddenly unroutable due to @home being stupid. Shit! Ironic that it's always up when I'm tooling around just trying to get the answer with no firm idea, yet when I know exactly what I want, it's screwed. Great. Daniel: Have posted you a private reply, bugus lives .. . /me finds another bug in kde . . . argh -- Jaye Inabnit\ARS ke6sls\/A GNU-Debian linux user\/ http://www.qsl.net/ke6sls If it's stupid, but works, it ain't stupid. I SHOUT JUST FOR FUN. Free software, in a free world, for a free spirit. Please Support freedom!
KDE 2.2.2 crash when it's compiled when objprelink
I don't know if this is the appropiate place to discuss objprelink problems with KDE, but if someone can help me I apreciate it a lot. I tried to build KDE 2.2.2 from the Debian sources generating binary packages compiled with objprelink and optimizations for 686. I get objprelink form: http://leon.bottou.com/objprelink/ I compiled Qt with the patch from this page with the Debian sources generating a binary debian package. After compiling and installing the Qt and kdelibs binaries that I generated I have no problems, but I don't notice anything especial. Later I compiled kdebase always from the Debian sources with objprelink. After installing these packages kdm crashes when it want to display the background image, but fortunatelly I can login. KDE seems to load more faster than ever but crashed when it want to launch kicker and absolutelly nothing appears. From IceWM I started konqueror from an xterm and it loads amazing fast and their performance are very great but always crashed when I want to see the sidebar or want to display everything. On the contrary konsole is the only application that works and also loads fast. I'm running woody with KDE 2.2.2 and their dependences from unstable with binutils 2.11.92.0.12.3-2. From the Linux From Scratch project also I read this: You'll need the latest version of binutils (2.11.2 at this point), and if any of glibc, gcc or binutils were compiled with optimizations there is a chance that everything you prelink will segfault when run. Prelinking failed for me on my LFS 2.4.3 system where those were built with optimizations; on a LFS 3.0 system where glibc, gcc and binutils were compiled with no optimizations and everything else was built -O3 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686, prelinking worked fine. Proceed with caution. Also I don't have any problems compiling KDE with objprelink. Are there anyone that enjoy with objprelink on Debian? Any help will be sincerelly appreciated, I felt the speed of objprelink on my P II 350, but I can't applied.
