Re: KDevelop for woody

2003-06-09 Thread Norman Jordan
You can get my version of KDevelop 2.1.5 using the following apt
source lines. It is compiled for KDE 3.1.2.

deb http://people.debian.org/~njordan/stable binary/
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~njordan/stable source/

You can also try out KDevelop 3 using the same lines. It is not stable
yet though. It uses the following package names:
gideon
gideon-data
gideon-dev (optional)
gideon-doc (optional)
gideon-plugins

On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 11:53:29PM +0100, David Pye wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> I have reinstalled my woody system and am now unable to find the kdevelop 
> packages that went along with the previous KDE 3 install I had here. 
> 
> I understand that they may have been part of Ralf's repository, which has now 
> disappeared.
> 
> I'd be very grateful if anybody has a copy of the deb (or knows where I can 
> find it!) as I'm stuck trying to manage my project with vi at the moment!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> David Pye
> 
> 
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Re: Writing CDs quickly - script included

2003-06-09 Thread Anders Ellenshøj Andersen
On Monday 09 June 2003 13:55, Jo Voordeckers wrote:
> > Hm. "ease" ... I have yet to find a way to burn a movie file to a CD
> > with _one_ mouse click
>
> Mandrake 9.1 includes K3B into te rightclick menu of konqueror allowing you
> to do a burn to cd from rightclicking a directory.

This is not special for Mandrake. It works that way in debian as well.

It creates a data cd with the file. If you wanted a vcd or svcd then you have 
to take further steps. But making a svcd from a movie file is not a simple 
thing either. There are file format conversion isues for instance. This is 
correlated with quality isues. I don't think it can be as simple as a mouse 
click.

Anders

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Re: KDE Installation with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread Tom Kloppel
thanks for the help guys

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Subject: Re: KDE Installation with 2.4.18


El Martes, 10 de Junio de 2003 00:36, Tom Kloppel escribió:
> deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main

That's right.

> When i do 'apt-get install kde' it wants to install an older version,
2.x.,
> but i want 3 heh

That's wrong. IIRC, it's explained in the readme. This is a very common
problem, did you check the archives? ;-)

kde, is the name of the _old_ metapackage of kde (kde 2, the one included in
woody officially). You must do "apt-get install kdebase kdm", and update
section by section (apt-get install kdenetwork kdemultimedia kde.).

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Re: KDE Installation with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread Alex
El Martes, 10 de Junio de 2003 00:36, Tom Kloppel escribió:
> deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main

That's right.

> When i do 'apt-get install kde' it wants to install an older version, 2.x.,
> but i want 3 heh

That's wrong. IIRC, it's explained in the readme. This is a very common 
problem, did you check the archives? ;-)

kde, is the name of the _old_ metapackage of kde (kde 2, the one included in 
woody officially). You must do "apt-get install kdebase kdm", and update 
section by section (apt-get install kdenetwork kdemultimedia kde.).

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Re: KDE Installation with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread Tom Kloppel
The source that i added to the list was the one provided by KDE's site for 
debian.

deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1.2/Debian stable main
When i add it then type 'apt-get update' i get:
# apt-get update
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release
Get:1 http://download.kde.org stable/main Packages [40.4kB]
Ign http://download.kde.org stable/main Release
Fetched 40.4kB in 1s (35.0kB/s)
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
When i do 'apt-get install kde' it wants to install an older version, 2.x., 
but i want 3 heh.

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Re: KDE Installation with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread John Gay

>> I upgraded my kernel to 2.4.18 and I added the KDE source to my
>> sources.list, did an update, and apt ignored it...  All that i can
install
>> is kde 2.x.,  but i want 3.1.2.  Am I doing something wrong or am i
going to
>> have to install by source since i upgraded the kernel? (please no.)
>>
>>
>
>What KDE "source" did you add to your /etc/apt/sources.list file?  It
>makes a difference if your other sources are "stable" or "testing" and
>your KDE source is "unstable".  You cannot normally "mix" Debian dists
>unless you do some additional config for apt.  This has nothing to do
>with your kernel upgrade, but everything to do with apt config.  What
>messages are you getting when you do an "apt-get update" regarding the
>new source?
>
Just to point out another, non-official source:

Ralf Nolan had back-ported KDE3 to Woody as part of a work project. This
was later move to KDE's own web site, where is is now updated to include
KDE-3.1.2 for Woody. So, it is possible to run KDE-3.1.2 on a Woody system
without the usual problems of trying to mix stable and unstable libs. This
also gets around the problems of different versions of GCC being used to
compile the different libs.

I don't have the actual source site as I'm at work, but I have used it to
update my woody system so I know it works.

Cheers,

  John Gay





Re: KDE Installation with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread Donald Spoon
Tom Kloppel wrote:
I upgraded my kernel to 2.4.18 and I added the KDE source to my
sources.list, did an update, and apt ignored it...  All that i can install
is kde 2.x.,  but i want 3.1.2.  Am I doing something wrong or am i going to
have to install by source since i upgraded the kernel? (please no.)

What KDE "source" did you add to your /etc/apt/sources.list file?  It 
makes a difference if your other sources are "stable" or "testing" and 
your KDE source is "unstable".  You cannot normally "mix" Debian dists 
unless you do some additional config for apt.  This has nothing to do 
with your kernel upgrade, but everything to do with apt config.  What 
messages are you getting when you do an "apt-get update" regarding the 
new source?

If your system is currently "stable" or Woody, then installing KDE 3.1.2 
from Debian "unstable" could be quite a chore involving a LOT of new 
packages beyond the KDE stuff just to meet dependency requirements. 
Getting it for a current "testing" install is a bit easier, but still 
nothing to sneeze at.  If you are concerned about having a lot of 
"testing" and/or "unstable" packages on your system, I wouldn't do the 
KDE 3.1.2 upgrade from Debian "unstable".  I believe there are other 
sources for Debian Woody and/or Sarge that would be better choices.

Let us know the current status of your install (stable or testing) and 
let us take a look at your /etc/apt/sources.list file.  Have you 
implemented "pinning" for apt yet?  This info would greatly help us 
present a more precise set of recommendations.

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-



Re: Writing CDs quickly - script included

2003-06-09 Thread Fred K Ollinger
> Op maandag 9 juni 2003 13:28, schreef Jens Benecke:
>
> > Hm. "ease" ... I have yet to find a way to burn a movie file to a CD
> > with _one_ mouse click
>
> Mandrake 9.1 includes K3B into te rightclick menu of konqueror allowing you to
> do a burn to cd from rightclicking a directory.

man cdburn
/bin/sh
vim

Fred

>
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KDE Install with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread Tom Kloppel
Sorry if this sent multiple times...

I upgraded my kernel to 2.4.18 and I added the KDE source to my
sources.list, did an update, and apt ignored it...  All that i can install
is kde 2.x.,  but i want 3.1.2.  Am I doing something wrong or am i going to
have to install by source since i upgraded the kernel? (please no.)




KDE Installation with 2.4.18

2003-06-09 Thread Tom Kloppel
I upgraded my kernel to 2.4.18 and I added the KDE source to my
sources.list, did an update, and apt ignored it...  All that i can install
is kde 2.x.,  but i want 3.1.2.  Am I doing something wrong or am i going to
have to install by source since i upgraded the kernel? (please no.)




Re: kde crash

2003-06-09 Thread James Michael Greenhalgh
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On June 8, 2003 01:35 pm, Tom Kloppel wrote:
> I'll give it a shot. Thanks

Hi Tom,

You may also want to check if you have a local network setup properly.  Can 
you ping localhost?  If not that has been the cause of the error you 
mentioned before.

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Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 08:39:11PM +0200, Mathieu Roy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was 
heard to say:
> Nikolaus Rath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :
> 
> > Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 2) Build 37 different koffice-i18n-lang binary packages (like kde-i18n).
> > > 
> > > This is bad because we add another 37 binary packages to the archives.
> > > This is also not a solution that generalises since if we did this
> > > for every package in the archive that provides i18n files our package
> > > list would get completely out of hand.
> > 
> > I think this is the way to go. If this is done using a common naming
> > scheme, aptitude or dselect could hide all the localisation packages
> > and ask for the language to be used when selecting the binary package.
> 
> Hum, it should be kept in mind that on some computer, several i18n are
> frequently used. 
> It's bad to assume that the root preferences are fine for all users.
>
> So aptitude or dselect should, indeed, directly automatically select
> appropriate i18n packages, but hiding others ones is more
> questionable.  

  I don't think automatically hiding languages other than the ones
selected on an initial install would be a bad idea, as long as there was
a straightforward procedure for modifying them or unhiding other language
data.  I'd say that in 99% of the cases I've seen, the languages needed for
a computer were known at install time. [0]

  I don't really like the idea of using the name to store this
information, though.  Couldn't we have a separate control field?

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Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Mathieu Roy
Nikolaus Rath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté :

> Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2) Build 37 different koffice-i18n-lang binary packages (like kde-i18n).
> > 
> > This is bad because we add another 37 binary packages to the archives.
> > This is also not a solution that generalises since if we did this
> > for every package in the archive that provides i18n files our package
> > list would get completely out of hand.
> 
> I think this is the way to go. If this is done using a common naming
> scheme, aptitude or dselect could hide all the localisation packages
> and ask for the language to be used when selecting the binary package.

Hum, it should be kept in mind that on some computer, several i18n are
frequently used. 
It's bad to assume that the root preferences are fine for all users.

So aptitude or dselect should, indeed, directly automatically select
appropriate i18n packages, but hiding others ones is more
questionable.  

Bye,


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Re: Writing CDs quickly - script included

2003-06-09 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag, 9. Juni 2003 15:11 schrieb Jo Voordeckers:
> Op maandag 9 juni 2003 14:51, schreef Felix Homann:
> > So does Debian(Sid)! I guess it's a KDE feature.
>
> I tought it wasn't, I'm running 3.1.1a from the woody backport and it's not
> there...

Then enable this option in K3b. This is not a feature of KDE but a feature of 
K3b (at wizard configuration time).
It's the same feature like kgpg adding the option to encrypt a file...

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Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Nikolaus Rath
Ben Burton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2) Build 37 different koffice-i18n-lang binary packages (like kde-i18n).
> 
> This is bad because we add another 37 binary packages to the archives.
> This is also not a solution that generalises since if we did this
> for every package in the archive that provides i18n files our package
> list would get completely out of hand.

I think this is the way to go. If this is done using a common naming
scheme, aptitude or dselect could hide all the localisation packages
and ask for the language to be used when selecting the binary package.


   --Nikolaus




Re: X weird thing

2003-06-09 Thread cdcengi8
hi radus,

On Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:55:52 +0300
radus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why after a dist-upgrade if i try to run a X program as another user i get 
> 
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified

you might want to have a look at http://debianplanet.org/ or read about bug
#196575 (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=196575)

something with xserver-xfree86, xlibs and gcc-3.2/gcc-3.3 seems not to work as
expected resulting in breaking xauth with xdm/kdm (while gdm seems to be working
for many). 

3 most popular workarounds:
A: downgrade to version 4.2.1-6 of xserver-xfree86, xlibs and related packages
B: don't use kdm. use 'startx' or 'gdm' instead.
C: upgrade to XFree86 4.3.x (unofficial but interesting if you have modern
grafix hardware)

greets, f.soul




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Burton

> So, if you put all kde translations in kde-i18n-**, you will have to do this 
> with the others kde apps which have a different release cycle.

FWIW, I was proposing this just for koffice (which has an unusually large
amount of i18n data), not for all KDE apps.

Ben.




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Matthieu Robin
Le Lundi 9 Juin 2003 15:25, Ben Burton a écrit :
> Ah, okay, I wasn't entirely clear on the kde-i18n-lang option.  What I
> meant by this is that kde-i18n-lang would be updated for both KDE and
> KOffice releases, and would include code taken from both branches as
> appropriate.  e.g., when KOffice 1.3 is released, even though KDE 3.1.2
> stays the same, a new upload of kde-i18n is made with new koffice
> translations.

So, if you put all kde translations in kde-i18n-**, you will have to do this 
with the others kde apps which have a different release cycle.

For example : a new version of k3b is released. You have to take the new 
k3b.po and re-upload kde-i18n.

If I want to upgrade k3b, I have to download i18n-xy just for k3b.po

And the users would have to always keep the last stable version of every kde 
apps they want.

And what if I want to keep an old koffice with the last kde ?

Option 3 is very not modular... I also vote for option 2.

> This is of course a mess to sort out since the apps are on different
> release cycles.  That is the big problem with option 3.
>
> b. :)




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Frank Van Damme
On Monday 09 June 2003 03:46, Ben Burton wrote:
> 2) Build 37 different koffice-i18n-lang binary packages (like kde-i18n).
>
> This is bad because we add another 37 binary packages to the archives.
> This is also not a solution that generalises since if we did this
> for every package in the archive that provides i18n files our package
> list would get completely out of hand.

So what? 37 packages is nothing ;-)

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X weird thing

2003-06-09 Thread radus
Hello!

Why after a dist-upgrade if i try to run a X program as another user i get 

Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


K9




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Burton

Ah, okay, I wasn't entirely clear on the kde-i18n-lang option.  What I
meant by this is that kde-i18n-lang would be updated for both KDE and
KOffice releases, and would include code taken from both branches as
appropriate.  e.g., when KOffice 1.3 is released, even though KDE 3.1.2
stays the same, a new upload of kde-i18n is made with new koffice
translations.

This is of course a mess to sort out since the apps are on different
release cycles.  That is the big problem with option 3.

b. :)




Re: Writing CDs quickly - script included

2003-06-09 Thread Jo Voordeckers
Op maandag 9 juni 2003 14:51, schreef Felix Homann:

> So does Debian(Sid)! I guess it's a KDE feature.

I tought it wasn't, I'm running 3.1.1a from the woody backport and it's not 
there...

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Regards,

Jo Voordeckers




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Kevin Krammer
On Monday 09 June 2003 05:52, John Gay wrote:
> >2) Build 37 different koffice-i18n-lang binary packages (like
> > kde-i18n).
> >
> >This is bad because we add another 37 binary packages to the archives.
> >This is also not a solution that generalises since if we did this
> >for every package in the archive that provides i18n files our package
> >list would get completely out of hand.
>
> This is the lessor of the 4 evils, but it might be possible to simplify
> a little? Several languages are related to some degree. Maybe if the
> languages could be grouped. I.E. the different asian languages would
> include the various chinese and japanese localizations, the spanish
> group could include the different variations like brazilian, mexican
> etc. I'm no language expert, but I think this might reduce the number
> of different packages to a more managable number, and still reduce the
> download times to within reasonable limits.

Maybe grouped for geographical regions.
How big would a "-europe" package be?

Or by encoding
-8859-15 for those latin1 languages, etc

Cheers,
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Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Pablo de Vicente
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El Lunes 9 de Junio de 2003 14:38, escribiste:
> Hi. :)
>
> >  we already discussed this sometime ago
>
> Though not with any resolution.
>
> > and since then there are koffice-i18n-xx packages
>
> Not on the debian servers.
>
> > apt-cache show koffice-i18n-es
> > Package: koffice-i18n-es
>
> ...
>
> > Maintainer: Ralf Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> ...
>
> > Version: 1.2.1-0woody2
>
> These are Ralf's backports of KDE3 and related material to woody.
> Whilst I appreciate Ralf's work, I would like to get wider input on this
> issue from other debian developers as well as users before uploading to
> the official debian archives.

OK, I understand.

>
> One of the main reasons for starting this thread is to see if there is
> any strong reaction from other debian developers to the addition of 37 new
> i18n packages.  As I mentioned earlier, if every software packager uses
> this solution then we have chaos.
>
> > (Discussing merging koffice i18n materials into kde-i18n-lang)
>
> ...
>
> >  No, that spoils the translations from the translation teams due to the
> > different release cycles between KDE and KDE.
>
> How does this spoil the translations?  I don't see what you're saying here.
>

 Well, perhaps I should be more exact, It spoils translations because it 
misses the work done by the translators of KOffice and because translations 
may not corresponds to the messages of the real applications. If you include 
koffice translations in kde-i18n-xx you will only get the translation done by 
the KDE release time and it may well happen that the translator has not ended 
his work, because he/she plans translations taking into account KOffice 
freeze, or just that the translated PO file corresponds to a POT updated by  
KDE release time, while the KOffice application may have a different POT.  

...mmm... I bit confusing ?.

>
> How does this spoil the translations?  I don't see what you're saying here.
>
> > option 4 (should not be even considered).
>
> Which is why I've restarted this thread, since option 4 is unfortunately
> the status quo.

 Certainly,

 Thanks

>
> Ben. :)

regards,

Pablo de Vicente.
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Re: Writing CDs quickly - script included

2003-06-09 Thread Felix Homann
On Monday 09 June 2003 13:55, Jo Voordeckers wrote:
> Mandrake 9.1 includes K3B into te rightclick menu of konqueror allowing you
> to do a burn to cd from rightclicking a directory.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Jo Voordeckers

So does Debian(Sid)! I guess it's a KDE feature.

--Felix




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Ben Burton

Hi. :)

>  we already discussed this sometime ago

Though not with any resolution.

> and since then there are koffice-i18n-xx packages

Not on the debian servers.

> apt-cache show koffice-i18n-es
> Package: koffice-i18n-es
...
> Maintainer: Ralf Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...
> Version: 1.2.1-0woody2

These are Ralf's backports of KDE3 and related material to woody.
Whilst I appreciate Ralf's work, I would like to get wider input on this
issue from other debian developers as well as users before uploading to
the official debian archives.

One of the main reasons for starting this thread is to see if there is
any strong reaction from other debian developers to the addition of 37 new
i18n packages.  As I mentioned earlier, if every software packager uses
this solution then we have chaos.

> (Discussing merging koffice i18n materials into kde-i18n-lang)
...
>  No, that spoils the translations from the translation teams due to the 
> different release cycles between KDE and KDE.

How does this spoil the translations?  I don't see what you're saying here.

> option 4 (should not be even considered).

Which is why I've restarted this thread, since option 4 is unfortunately
the status quo.

Ben. :)




Re: Writing CDs quickly - script included

2003-06-09 Thread Jo Voordeckers
Op maandag 9 juni 2003 13:28, schreef Jens Benecke:

> Hm. "ease" ... I have yet to find a way to burn a movie file to a CD
> with _one_ mouse click

Mandrake 9.1 includes K3B into te rightclick menu of konqueror allowing you to 
do a burn to cd from rightclicking a directory.

-- 
Regards,

Jo Voordeckers




Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Pablo de Vicente
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El Lunes 9 de Junio de 2003 03:46, Ben Burton escribió:
> Hi.  I'd love some input here on the packaging of very large i18n
> components of software.  The specific case at hand is koffice, which
> still doesn't ship with i18n files.  I'd love to get this sorted out.

Ben, 

 we already discussed this sometime ago, and since then there are 
koffice-i18n-xx packages

apt-cache show koffice-i18n-es
Package: koffice-i18n-es
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 2104
Maintainer: Ralf Nolden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: koffice-i18n
Version: 1.2.1-0woody2
Provides: koffice-i18n
Suggests: koffice
Description: Spanish (es) i18n files for KOffice
 This package contains the Spanish i18n files for all KOffice
 appliactions.

>
> The problem is that there is a *lot* of i18n material provided with
> koffice.  There are translations for 37 different languages, coming to a
> total 21.7Mb.
>
> The question is how to actually package it.  All of the available
> options have clear drawbacks.  The options as I see it are as follows.
>
> 1) Build a single koffice-i18n binary package.
>
> This is bad because each non-US user will be required to download all
> 21Mb of translations for 37 languages just to get their own language,
> quite a big ask for users with slower/limited net connections.
>

 No. I would not vote for that. That is crazy for the users.

> 2) Build 37 different koffice-i18n-lang binary packages (like kde-i18n).
>
> This is bad because we add another 37 binary packages to the archives.
> This is also not a solution that generalises since if we did this
> for every package in the archive that provides i18n files our package
> list would get completely out of hand.

 Yes, I think that not been good, that is the best solution. 

>
> 3) Include koffice i18n files in the individual kde-i18n-lang packages.
>
> This is bad because koffice and kde are on different release cycles.
> It's also bad because it means I have to ask Noel (the kde-i18n maintainer)
> to do this job.

 No, that spoils the translations from the translation teams due to the 
different release cycles between KDE and KDE.

>
> 4) Don't ship koffice i18n files at all.
>
> I don't need to explain why this is bad.  It's also the current
> situation, which I'd like to rectify.

 No. That is the worst solution. One throws away all the work of the 
translation teams and leaves the users without that work.

>
> And so I honestly don't see a good solution to this.  Can I please have
> some opinions on which of these solutions is least bad?

 Summing up, from best to worst: option 2, option 1, option 3, option 4 
(should not be even considered).

>
> Ben. :)
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Re: Packaging very large i18n material

2003-06-09 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Mon, Jun 09, 2003 at 04:52 +0100, John Gay wrote:
> the spanish group
> could include the different variations like brazilian, mexican etc.

That was a bad example.

Brazilians speak portuguese (wich is _not_ a spanish variation) and
mexicans speak spanish.

Kind regards,

Aníbal


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Re:

2003-06-09 Thread Derek Chew En-Hock
Hello Tom,

great! finally a question that I a 2 month++ newbie can hopefully
answer!! :)

anyway I checked your log file and the error is 'Caught signal 11.
Server aborting'

from what I understand to solve this issue, comment out/remove the
DPMS line in your XF86Config-4 file as shown below...

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "Generic Monitor"
HorizSync   30-60
VertRefresh 50-75
#   Option  "DPMS"
EndSection

Sunday, June 8, 2003, 6:27:35 AM, you wrote:
TK> Hey folks.
TK> Little problem here with kde.  I get it all loaded up and it gets to the 
splash screen where it says it's loading peripherals, and then the xserver (and 
kde) just crash.  No errors, just back to
TK> the console...  
TK> I checked the log and there arnt any errors of any importance listed at 
all.  Ill attach that, and my config file.
TK> Thanks ahead of time. :-)

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