Re: Bug#250452: Out of date Qt makes Indian languages totally unusable in Qt/KDE apps

2004-05-31 Thread Brian Nelson
Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Sun, 30 May 2004, Brian Nelson wrote:

 Well, my packages are not yet fit for upload yet.  They contain some
 drastic changes that really need to be tested more.


 Would it be possible to upload the latest version at least?  That would
 solve my problem.

Not by me, at least for 9 days or so.  I didn't bring my private key
with me to Debconf4.  I can look at the packages you made though and let
you know if they look OK to NMU.

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kdenonbeta/kdedebian/kapture

2004-05-31 Thread Peter Rockai
CVS commit by mornfall: 

- add KNOWN BUGS to README
- fix PkgNodeViewCommon layout
- improved AcqProgress quite a bit (progressbars now work, Hits/Gets are
  displayed as well)


  M +4 -2  README   1.9
  M +2 -0  libcapture/depgroupers.cpp   1.2
  M +2 -0  libcapture/feeder.cpp   1.3
  M +66 -63libkapture/acqprogress.cpp   1.10
  M +6 -13 libkapture/acqprogress.h   1.8
  M +4 -0  libkapture/errordialog.cpp   1.2
  M +272 -379  libkapture/pkgnodeviewcommonui.ui   1.4





Bug#251872: konqueror: I can't search from location bar

2004-05-31 Thread jjluza
Package: konqueror
Version: 4:3.2.2-1
Severity: important
Tags: sid



Hello,
If I try to look for a word using a search engine (like google for
example) by writting a word in the location bar, it tries to load the
page www.word.com, which is a recent behaviour (it works properly one
month ago, I think).
It works if I write gg: a_word in the location bar, but since we can
select a default search engine, I would like to use it.
Thanks.




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Versions of packages konqueror depends on:
ii  kcontrol  4:3.2.2-1  KDE Control Center
ii  kdebase-kio-plugins   4:3.2.2-1  KDE I/O Slaves
ii  kdelibs4  4:3.2.2-2  KDE core libraries
ii  kdesktop  4:3.2.2-1  KDE Desktop
ii  kfind 4:3.2.2-1  KDE File Find Utility
ii  libart-2.0-2  2.3.16-5   Library of functions for 2D graphi
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ii  libfam0c102   2.7.0-5client library to control the FAM 
ii  libgcc1   1:3.4.0-2  GCC support library
ii  libice6   4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 Inter-Client Exchange library
ii  libjpeg62 6b-9   The Independent JPEG Group's JPEG 
ii  libkonq4  4:3.2.2-1  Core libraries for KDE's file mana
ii  libpcre3  4.5-1.1Perl 5 Compatible Regular Expressi
ii  libpng12-01.2.5.0-6  PNG library - runtime
ii  libqt3c102-mt 3:3.2.3-2  Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime v
ii  libsm64.3.0.dfsg.1-4 X Window System Session Management
ii  libstdc++51:3.3.3-9  The GNU Standard C++ Library v3
ii  libx11-6  4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 X Window System protocol client li
ii  libxext6  4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 X Window System miscellaneous exte
ii  libxrender1   0.8.3-7X Rendering Extension client libra
ii  xlibs 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4 X Window System client libraries m
ii  zlib1g1:1.2.1.1-3compression library - runtime

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Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Kevin Price

Hi,

on my sid machine, I solved the problem by simply recompiling kdelibs4 
with the correct libcupsys2-dev installed. IMHO a simple build-depends 
on libcupsys2-dev (= 1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4) would be appropriate.


See also the thread starting with M-ID 
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http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/01/msg01985.html


HTH
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Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Dominique Devriese
Kevin Price writes:

 Hi, on my sid machine, I solved the problem by simply recompiling
 kdelibs4 with the correct libcupsys2-dev installed. IMHO a simple
 build-depends on libcupsys2-dev (= 1.1.20final+cvs20040330-4) would
 be appropriate.

I'm pretty sure the maintainer is aware of the problem and the fix,
but that he is only waiting until the KDE 3.3 release to upload a
fixed version. This allows him to combine the two uploads, and
prevents killing the buildd's with many resource-intensive kde*
uploads.

cheers
domi



Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Kevin Price

Hi,

Dominique Devriese wrote:
 I'm pretty sure the maintainer is aware of the problem and the fix,

I figure that much too. My suggestion was aimed at those users filing 
more and more reports about the same problem. That's why I merged the 
first couple of bugs I came across.


 but that he is only waiting until the KDE 3.3 release to upload a
 fixed version. This allows him to combine the two uploads, and
 prevents killing the buildd's with many resource-intensive kde*
 uploads.

My machine spent a long time compiling only the kdelibs4. I can well 
imagine how the buildds are impacted by too frequent kde* uploads. Is 
there a schedule for a kde 3.3 release?


brgds
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Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Christopher Martin
On May 31, 2004 11:16, Dominique Devriese wrote:
 I'm pretty sure the maintainer is aware of the problem and the fix,
 but that he is only waiting until the KDE 3.3 release

You mean 3.2.3? It should be tagged soon, IIRC.



Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Dominique Devriese
Kevin Price writes:

 Hi,
 Dominique Devriese wrote:
 I'm pretty sure the maintainer is aware of the problem and the fix,

 I figure that much too. My suggestion was aimed at those users
 filing more and more reports about the same problem. That's why I
 merged the first couple of bugs I came across.

Great, thanks.  Obligatory help request: If you're interested in
working on other kde* bugs in debian, we could very much use the
assistance ;)

 but that he is only waiting until the KDE 3.3 release to upload a
 fixed version. This allows him to combine the two uploads, and
 prevents killing the buildd's with many resource-intensive kde*
 uploads.

 My machine spent a long time compiling only the kdelibs4. I can well
 imagine how the buildds are impacted by too frequent kde*
 uploads. Is there a schedule for a kde 3.3 release?

Sigh, I meant 3.2.3 of course.  Look here for KDE release schedules:
  http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/

cheers
domi



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Bug#251878: evolution: removed by dist-upgrade, can't install any more
Bug reassigned from package `evolution' to `kdelibs4'.

 merge 251878 251832
Bug#251832: libcupsys2-gnutls10: Could you please do something agains broken 
dependencies
Bug#251878: evolution: removed by dist-upgrade, can't install any more
Bug#251104: kdelibs4-dev: fails to install because of dep problem with 
libcupsys2-dev
Bug#251129: kdelibs4: needs rebuilt against libcupsys-gnutls10
Bug#251318: can't install apt-get install kde
Bug#251782: kdelibs-bin: depends on libcupsys2 which is no longer available in 
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Bug#250765: kdm: never spawns a login shell; thus ~/.bash_profile is never read

2004-05-31 Thread Bob Proulx
martin f krafft wrote:
 On all KDE systems I administer, ~/.bash_profile is never read.
 Thus, any entries in there -- quite a few in the case of
 a programmer -- are never read. I think this is because KDM never
 spawns a login shell, and Konsole doesn't either. Could this please
 be fixed? There are a lot of reasons why kdmsession or the like
 should be started as a child of a proper login shell.

Perhaps.  But how?  The implementation for different users with bash,
csh, zsh, ksh, some other weird shell, is probably not impossible but
I can't think of a way to handle it cleanly.

This is an upstream FAQ:

  http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/configure.html#id2913380

  Summary:
9.7. KDE (kdm) does not read my .bash_profile!

The login managersxdm and kdm do not run a login shell, so .profile,
.bash_profile, etc. are not sourced. When the user logs in, xdm runs
Xstartup as root and then Xsession as user. So the normal practice
is to add statements in Xsession to source the user profile. Please
edit your Xsession and .xsession files.

They purposefully avoid reading the user's environment.  When you
select KDE you select *only* KDE and nothing else but KDE.  I imagine
it is just too difficult to guess the user's login shell and get the
syntax right for all of the possibilities so they avoid it entirely.
But I am not a KDE developer and do not know the actual reasons.

Use a .xsession file with the #! line using your login shell and
passing in whatever options your shell uses to make it a login shell.
That will read your login environment.  Here is one example for a bash
shell as the login shell.

  #!/bin/bash --login
  exec x-session-manager  # or startkde or fvwm or whatever

Make sure it is executable or it will have no effect.

  chmod a+x $HOME/.xsession

Then when you log in with kdm/gdm/xdm make sure you select default
and not specifically KDE since selecting KDE avoids reading your
environment files.

Bob

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2004-05-31 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.06.01.0108 +0200]:
 Perhaps.  But how?  The implementation for different users with bash,
 csh, zsh, ksh, some other weird shell, is probably not impossible but
 I can't think of a way to handle it cleanly.

exec $(getent passwd `whoami` | cut -d: -f7) --login -c Xsession

?

   #!/bin/bash --login
   exec x-session-manager  # or startkde or fvwm or whatever

Thanks. That's what I have been doing. It's just ugly...

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Bug#251691: k3b: K3b does not install in Sid
Severity set to `grave'.

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Bug#251691: k3b: K3b does not install in Sid
Bug reassigned from package `k3b' to `kdelibs4'.

 merge 251691 251878
Bug#251691: k3b: K3b does not install in Sid
Bug#251878: evolution: removed by dist-upgrade, can't install any more
Bug#251104: kdelibs4-dev: fails to install because of dep problem with 
libcupsys2-dev
Bug#251129: kdelibs4: needs rebuilt against libcupsys-gnutls10
Bug#251318: can't install apt-get install kde
Bug#251782: kdelibs-bin: depends on libcupsys2 which is no longer available in 
sid
Bug#251832: libcupsys2-gnutls10: Could you please do something agains broken 
dependencies
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Bug#250765: kdm: never spawns a login shell; thus ~/.bash_profile is never read

2004-05-31 Thread Bob Proulx
martin f krafft wrote:
 also sprach Bob Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004.06.01.0108 +0200]:
  Perhaps.  But how?  The implementation for different users with bash,
  csh, zsh, ksh, some other weird shell, is probably not impossible but
  I can't think of a way to handle it cleanly.
 
 exec $(getent passwd `whoami` | cut -d: -f7) --login -c Xsession
 
 ?

Assume /bin/ksh as the login shell for one counter example.  That does
not produce a valid command for ksh.

  ksh --login
  ksh: ksh: --: unknown option

Nor for /bin/csh.

  csh --login
  Unknown option: `--login'
  Usage: csh [ -bcdefilmnqstvVxX ] [ argument ... ].

The ksh needs -l to be told it is a login shell.  That works for bash
and zsh too so looks promising.  But csh won't take -l unless it is
the only option present.  I can't think of a way to pass an option to
a shell and have it work for every possible shell.

One time in the past I tried using a file of my construction at
/etc/X11/Xsession.d/95xfree86-common_userprofile which would load up
the user's profile.  But at that time the script is /bin/sh.  I knew
that but we were all running bourne compatible shells.  Or so I
thought.  The first user who put '. /etc/bash_completion' into their
$HOME/.profile (read by bash at login) broke things because that is
not /bin/sh shell syntax in there.  So just noting one type of failure
mechanism.

The real answer would have to be that the program name starts with a
'-' like login shells expect.  Of course we can do that[1], but then
we need to be able to tell the shell in the shell's command syntax to
run the Xsession command.

  # just for example but not for real
  echo Xsession | -$(basename $SHELL)
  
Something along those lines seems like the best way to go.

I think upstream is the right place to push these types of design
decisions.  This is not specific to Debian in any way.  KDE has this
issue on all platforms.

#!/bin/bash --login
exec x-session-manager  # or startkde or fvwm or whatever
 
 Thanks. That's what I have been doing. It's just ugly...

And poorly documented.

Bob

[1] Perl comes to mind.  Off the top of my head.  Untested!

  #!/usr/bin/perl
  my $SHELL = $ENV{'SHELL'};
  my $SHELL_BASENAME = $SHELL;
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  exec {$SHELL} -$SHELL_BASENAME;

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Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Kevin Price

Hi Chris,

thanks for writing despite of your sickness. I hope you feel better 
soon. I cannot NMU, but if I were a DD, I would attempt. I guess it 
would be worth waiting for 3.2.3, since KDE scheduled ther upload for 
May 30th. Where do they upload to the packagers?


Thanks for your work up to now, please get well soon!
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Bug#251878: evolution: removed by dist-upgrade, can't install any more
Bug#251104: kdelibs4-dev: fails to install because of dep problem with 
libcupsys2-dev
Bug#251129: kdelibs4: needs rebuilt against libcupsys-gnutls10
Bug#251318: can't install apt-get install kde
Bug#251691: k3b: K3b does not install in Sid
Bug#251782: kdelibs-bin: depends on libcupsys2 which is no longer available in 
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Bug#251832: kdelibs4, kdelibs-bin uninstallable in sid

2004-05-31 Thread Chris Cheney
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 03:30:24AM +0200, Kevin Price wrote:
 Hi Chris,
 
 thanks for writing despite of your sickness. I hope you feel better 
 soon. I cannot NMU, but if I were a DD, I would attempt. I guess it 
 would be worth waiting for 3.2.3, since KDE scheduled ther upload for 
 May 30th. Where do they upload to the packagers?

I have started feeling a bit better late tonight so I might be well by
tomorrow. KDE 3.2.3 is now available to packagers on ktown.kde.org but
you have to have a special account to get access to the files.

 Thanks for your work up to now, please get well soon!

Thanks :)

Chris


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Re: No Debian Menus in Kicker (Debian Unstable)

2004-05-31 Thread Paul Scott
Jerome wrote:
I followed the suggestion for  bug #246561 to no avail.
A while back I removed the menu package from Debian. I may or may not have manually deleted the shell menus after that, but I'm not sure. I've since re-installed the menu package. Gnome and xfce4 show debian menus. How do I get the Debian menus back for kde 3.2? I've tried kbuildsyscocao and the suggestion for bug #246561 but it hasn't worked. 
 

I think this was discussed recently on debian-user.  My Debian menus are 
back to normal after installing either menu or menu-xdg.

Paul Scott



Re: XF86Config and restarting X

2004-05-31 Thread Nick Leverton
On Sun, May 30, 2004 at 05:51:19PM -0400, Robert Tilley wrote:
 I have edited my /etc/X11/XF86Config file to include 1280x1024 wherever 
 screen sizes are mentioned.  When accessing KDE RandR or the KDE Display 
 control panel, the only modes available to me are 1024x768 and lower.
 
 How can I restart X to reflect my new sizes?

Control-alt-backspace is the most immediate way.

Nick




100%CPU!

2004-05-31 Thread Raul Montagne
Hi,
Im running the old, KDE 3.2
A extrange mixture left back by the knoppix 3.3.
It used to work fine until a few days...I don't know what have I done may 
be some update or install done did it.
The problem:
It starts to create several kdeinit
The CPU usage increase (to 99% or 100%)

I notice that it happens when I tried to close a xterm, with a simple exit.
I tried to initiate with a fresh user and happens the same.
There are some .xsession-errors but I don't understand the meaning of them.
Also the .fonts.cache-1 has increase a lot.
Any clue?
any special place to look for an answer?
thanks
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Re: 100%CPU!

2004-05-31 Thread Felix Reuning
Raul Montagne wrote:
Hi,
Im running the old, KDE 3.2
A extrange mixture left back by the knoppix 3.3.
It used to work fine until a few days...I don't know what have I done 
may be some update or install done did it.
The problem:
It starts to create several kdeinit
The CPU usage increase (to 99% or 100%)

I notice that it happens when I tried to close a xterm, with a simple 
exit.
I tried to initiate with a fresh user and happens the same.
There are some .xsession-errors but I don't understand the meaning of 
them.
Also the .fonts.cache-1 has increase a lot.

Any clue?
any special place to look for an answer?
thanks
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Re: No Debian Menus in Kicker (Debian Unstable)

2004-05-31 Thread Jerome

 --- On Mon 05/31, Paul Scott  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
From: Paul Scott [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org
Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:16:56 -0700
Subject: Re: No Debian Menus in Kicker (Debian Unstable)

Jerome wrote:brbrI followed the suggestion for  bug #246561 to no 
avail.brbrA while back I removed the menu package from Debian. I may or 
may not have manually deleted the shell menus after that, but I'm not sure. 
I've since re-installed the menu package. Gnome and xfce4 show debian menus. 
How do I get the Debian menus back for kde 3.2? I've tried kbuildsyscocao and 
the suggestion for bug #246561 but it hasn't worked. br  brbrI think 
this was discussed recently on debian-user.  My Debian menus are brback to 
normal after installing either menu or menu-xdg.brbrPaul 
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Thanks for the help. I apt-got menu-xdg. I ran update-menus again. I checked 
out the debian-user threads too. I re-logged into kde (xnest while running 
another DE). I ran the update menu utility. Still no Debian menus. 

My situation seems to differ from other people's situations in that this 
happened months back, not due to a recent change in sid. Also, I think i 
manually deleted the debian shell menus from the menu editor utility. This was 
stupid, yes. But now how do I get them back? Is there a way to just start the 
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Re: No Debian Menus in Kicker (Debian Unstable)

2004-05-31 Thread Frans Pop
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On Monday 31 May 2004 19:26, Jerome wrote:
 Thanks for the help. I apt-got menu-xdg. I ran update-menus again. I
 checked out the debian-user threads too. I re-logged into kde (xnest while
 running another DE). I ran the update menu utility. Still no Debian menus.

Try looking in ~/.config/menus and maybe delete/move that.

Cheers,
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Re: KDE 3.2.2 slow in starting applications

2004-05-31 Thread johnny geling
Month ago there was a thread that famd wasn't necessary anymore. KDE has is 
own or something like that. So delete it. I don't have installed. 

Johnny


On Monday 31 May 2004 03:19, Michael Montagne wrote:
 Try killing famd.  That is giving me consistent problems with
 konqueror and I'm not even sure what it does.

 On 05/31/04, Adeodato Sim? busted out the keyboard and typed:
 
  * Xaveer Leijtens [Mon, 31 May 2004 00:38:42 +0200]:
   Any other suggestions?
 
you could try strace and/or ltrace with -r or -c options, to see if
that gives a hint what is making gvim take so long to start.
 
also, does the problem happen when you log with a newly created user?

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(SOLVED) KDE 3.2.2 slow in starting applications

2004-05-31 Thread Xaveer Leijtens

 * Xaveer Leijtens [Mon, 31 May 2004 00:38:42 +0200]:
 
  Any other suggestions?
 
   you could try strace and/or ltrace with -r or -c options, to see if
   that gives a hint what is making gvim take so long to start.
 
   also, does the problem happen when you log with a newly created user?
 
 -- 
 Adeodato Simó

Thanks! The strace didn't help, but since the fresh user didn't suffer my
problems, I removed my gtk/gnome config files (kde configs had already
been changed) which solved the problem. Times are now around 0.7 seconds!

Thanks to all who replied.

Xaveer




Re: No Debian Menus in Kicker (Debian Unstable)

2004-05-31 Thread Jerome

 --- On Mon 05/31, Frans Pop  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
From: Frans Pop [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:01:24 +0200
Subject: Re: No Debian Menus in Kicker (Debian Unstable)

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19:26, Jerome wrote:br Thanks for the help. I apt-got menu-xdg. I ran 
update-menus again. Ibr checked out the debian-user threads too. I re-logged 
into kde (xnest whilebr running another DE). I ran the update menu utility. 
Still no Debian menus.brbr


Try looking in ~/.config/menus and maybe delete/move 
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I tried moving ./config/menus. There are still no debian menus in kde. FYI, I 
see debian menus in gnome and xfce4. 

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