Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 22:06 schrieb Matej Cepl: > Michael Koch wrote: > > A big problem is that we don't get enough feedback from users > > with bug reports. More bug reports would be wonderful. All the > > people out there seem to like to use (buggy) proprietary software > > more than free software and report issues if there are some. Free > > Java in Debian is good. It supports many things like Tomcat 5 or > > Eclipse 3. People should really try it. > > IAJAL (I am just a lawyer -- actually, I am not anymore, but that > says something about my level of CI wizardry) so I cannot help you > with this, but I have a tip -- go, contact people on > openoffice.org-debian team and help to make openoffice.org-java > package go into main. It is currently in contrib, because it > depends on JRE 1.4, so without that I couldn't get OpenOffice.org > XSLT filter work. There are already people working on this with the openoffice.org people. Unfortunately much stuff in openoffice.org uses internal stuff of JDK. This needs to be rewritten. This is beeing worked on. The build system of openoffice.org is another problem ... Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: Artsd broken in Sid
On Thursday 06 January 2005 20:58, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Bob Hauck [Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:23:37 -0500]: > > I did an upgrade of my Sid installation tonight and now my KDE > > system notifications no longer work. > > what does "artsplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Event_1.ogg" do/say? Nothing. No sound, no message. > > If I run artsd in a terminal so I can see the messages, I get > > "can't open file" when attempting to play an ogg. Should have said I used artsplay for this. Artsplay really just tells artsd to play the file, it doesn't decode it directly like xmms does. > which ogg? sure it exists? The copy of KDE_Startup_1.ogg I put in my home directory. Xmms plays it fine. I figured the problem out eventually, see my other post to the list tonight. Thanks for your resposne though. -- -| Bob Hauck -| To Whom You Are Speaking -| http://www.haucks.org/
Re: Artsd broken in Sid
On Thursday 06 January 2005 21:05, Alejandro Exojo wrote: > El Viernes, 7 de Enero de 2005 02:23, Bob Hauck escribió: > > I did an upgrade of my Sid installation tonight and now my KDE > > system notifications no longer work. > > The problem is libflac, I'm afraid: > > http://bugs.debian.org/288876 Thanks for the response. I figured out the same answer a while after I sent the email to the list. A temporary fix is to symlink /usr/lib/libFLAC.so.6 -> libFLAC.so.4. I filed a bug report against libarts1 because it oughta be using what's actually on the system. -- -| Bob Hauck -| To Whom You Are Speaking -| http://www.haucks.org/
Re: Artsd broken in Sid
El Viernes, 7 de Enero de 2005 02:23, Bob Hauck escribió: > I did an upgrade of my Sid installation tonight and now my KDE system > notifications no longer work. It turns out that artsd will not play > ogg files at all. I can use artsplay to play wav fines, and they also > play fine in the Control Center notifications applet, but no ogg. Ogg > files work fine in xmms even when playing through artsd. The problem is libflac, I'm afraid: http://bugs.debian.org/288876 -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) - GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://darkshines.net/ - Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Artsd broken in Sid
* Bob Hauck [Thu, 06 Jan 2005 20:23:37 -0500]: > I did an upgrade of my Sid installation tonight and now my KDE system > notifications no longer work. It turns out that artsd will not play > ogg files at all. what does "artsplay /usr/share/sounds/KDE_Event_1.ogg" do/say? > If I run artsd in a terminal so I can see the messages, I get "can't > open file" when attempting to play an ogg. which ogg? sure it exists? -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 17:09, you wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 21:11 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > > > "What is Kaffe not? > > ... > > Kaffe is constantly under development, and lacks compatibility in > > many ways with the current releases of Java. It lacks many key > > features of a full Java virtual machine implementation - including > > security related features such as a complete bytecode verifier > > essential for running untrusted code. ... > > Once you get those beat, or even just the first, I'll be willing to > > try it again. > > This information is really old and not up-to-date. And you overrate > the meaning of it. Then _how_ do you expect to get people to use it and submit bug reports? You can hardly expect me and others to think it's safe to try if you don't tell us the real current state of the software. Update the website, give people hope, and maybe we'll try it. More apropos than that page is the one that actually lists the differences between kaffe and various versions of the JDK. With anywhere between 7 and 32 missing packages (depending on JDK version and whether or not you use jacOrb) and between 245 & 300+ missing classes, it isn't something you'd want to risk critical applications with. otoh, those might be really out of date too. -- derek
Artsd broken in Sid
I did an upgrade of my Sid installation tonight and now my KDE system notifications no longer work. It turns out that artsd will not play ogg files at all. I can use artsplay to play wav fines, and they also play fine in the Control Center notifications applet, but no ogg. Ogg files work fine in xmms even when playing through artsd. If I run artsd in a terminal so I can see the messages, I get "can't open file" when attempting to play an ogg. I tried downgrading arts, libarts1, and libartsc0 to the previous version from snapshots.debian.net, but that didn't help. Does anyone have any ideas? I'd kind of like to figure out what to report a bug against before shooting a report off. -- -| Bob Hauck -| To Whom You Are Speaking -| http://www.haucks.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Michael Koch wrote: > A big problem is that we don't get enough feedback from users with bug > reports. More bug reports would be wonderful. All the people out > there seem to like to use (buggy) proprietary software more than free > software and report issues if there are some. Free Java in Debian is > good. It supports many things like Tomcat 5 or Eclipse 3. People > should really try it. IAJAL (I am just a lawyer -- actually, I am not anymore, but that says something about my level of CI wizardry) so I cannot help you with this, but I have a tip -- go, contact people on openoffice.org-debian team and help to make openoffice.org-java package go into main. It is currently in contrib, because it depends on JRE 1.4, so without that I couldn't get OpenOffice.org XSLT filter work. Matej -- Matej Cepl, http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC 138 Highland Ave. #10, Somerville, Ma 02143, (617) 623-1488 The difference between death and taxes is death doesn't get worse every time Congress meets -- Will Rogers
Re: DPMS doesn't work with KDE
On Thursday 06 January 2005 19:45, Wolfgang Mader wrote: > xset -q: > DPMS (Energy Star): > Standby: 600Suspend: 600Off: 600 > DPMS is Enabled > Monitor is On > Font cache: > hi-mark (KB): 5120 low-mark (KB): 3840 balance (%): 70 > File paths: > Config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > Modules path: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules > Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log > > XF86Config-4: > Section "Monitor" > Identifier "Generic Monitor" > HorizSync 28-50 > VertRefresh 43-75 > Option "DPMS" > > This is the only section DPMS is mentioned. And > xset dpms force off > works "out of the box" Most of this is irrelevant. The real DPMS settings if you are running KDE are in Control Center -> Peripherals -> Display -> (tab) Power Control Cheers, FJP pgpbaMHpxIK20.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: java plug-in
On Wed 5 January 2005 04:54, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 5. Januar 2005 07:48 schrieb jianan: > > I would like to be completely free, software-wise, but do I have a > > choice in this case, if a vendor site uses Java applets to fill > > forms? > > Since konqueror does not rely on a mozilla-plugin, it should be able > to use any java interpreter. Kaffe is a free one but may have its > limitation (I never tried it): I don't know how this thread got so convoluted but the simple fact of the matter is that kaffe (most recent from unstable) does not work when used to display java applets in Konqueror. I wish it would, but it doesn't, so the rest of this thread seems to be pretty pointless having lost sight of the original question. -- David P James Ottawa, Ontario http://david.jamesnet.ca ICQ: #42891899, Jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Noone isn't no one pgplzYKDgPzX6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Q about konsole: button for closing tabs disapeared!
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 21:13 schrieb Wolfgang Mader: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 17:45, Ulrich Scholz wrote: > > KDE2.2 but ... > > > > I looked and they are not there. Probably they never were. I must > > have had halucinations. > > Sorry to correct you but they are :-), even on my debian/sid installation. I don't remember them in KDE-2.2 and IIRC he was speaking of Woody. I remember some interaction of Woody and Sid and Sid broke Woody but that's probably not related ;) HS
OT: Kaffe website (was: java plug-in (sablevm))
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 22:09 schrieb Michael Koch: > This information is really old and not up-to-date. And you overrate > the meaning of it. *g* I guess it's time to update the project site, then ;) BTW: the site layout is really bad, e.g. on http://www.kaffe.org/compatibility_applications.shtml (important web page for this matter) you force a specific width somehow, that's a no-no, especially for simple text :-/ And having some applet on that site that can run with Kaffe would really be a thing ;) HS
Re: Q about konsole: button for closing tabs disapeared!
On Thursday 06 January 2005 17:45, Ulrich Scholz wrote: > KDE2.2 but ... > > I looked and they are not there. Probably they never were. I must > have had halucinations. > Sorry to correct you but they are :-), even on my debian/sid installation. Perhaps you must do the following: right click on the tabbar and enable under "Tab options" "Icons and Text". I can not confirm that if you have only text enabled the close and new buttons, both are visible to me, the on for new on the left sight the one for close on the right will disappeare. I have clicked trough the settings but didn't find any options related to the problem, so give it a try. Hops that helps cheers Wolfgang
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 21:11 schrieb Derek Broughton: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:58, Michael Koch wrote: > > I give up. "is not usable" is not really describing a problem. We > > can't even guess what your problem is out of this. There are many > > people out there that are happy with the free runtimes already. > > I give up, too. I haven't been trying to describe a problem. I've > been pointing out that as a general replacement for a Sun JRE > (which you and others have been suggesting), it just ain't here. > > How about this (from your own website): > > "What is Kaffe not? > ... > Kaffe is constantly under development, and lacks compatibility in > many ways with the current releases of Java. It lacks many key > features of a full Java virtual machine implementation - including > security related features such as a complete bytecode verifier > essential for running untrusted code. > > Kaffe is not the best Java virtual machine for developing Java > applications, as it lacks much in the way of documentation, > compatibility, debugging/profiling support, etc. If you are > learning Java, or are looking for a complete Java development > environment, you will probably be best served by using a "real" > Java development environment (such as the JDK) licensed from Sun. > Check out our links page for more information." > > Once you get those beat, or even just the first, I'll be willing to > try it again. This information is really old and not up-to-date. And you overrate the meaning of it. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:58, Michael Koch wrote: > > I give up. "is not usable" is not really describing a problem. We > can't even guess what your problem is out of this. There are many > people out there that are happy with the free runtimes already. > I give up, too. I haven't been trying to describe a problem. I've been pointing out that as a general replacement for a Sun JRE (which you and others have been suggesting), it just ain't here. How about this (from your own website): "What is Kaffe not? ... Kaffe is constantly under development, and lacks compatibility in many ways with the current releases of Java. It lacks many key features of a full Java virtual machine implementation - including security related features such as a complete bytecode verifier essential for running untrusted code. Kaffe is not the best Java virtual machine for developing Java applications, as it lacks much in the way of documentation, compatibility, debugging/profiling support, etc. If you are learning Java, or are looking for a complete Java development environment, you will probably be best served by using a "real" Java development environment (such as the JDK) licensed from Sun. Check out our links page for more information." Once you get those beat, or even just the first, I'll be willing to try it again. -- derek
Re: disable Lock Session button
Ave! Perfect, Antiphon! On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 08:51:16 -0500, Antiphon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 06:17 am, Joao Clemente wrote: > > Jonathan Meller wrote: > > > Ave! > > > > > > How can I disable "Lock Session" from my KDE 3.3 ? > > > > Hi! Dunno if with 3.3 also works, but in my 3.2 (I think) I located the > > binary that is runned when you click that and deleted/renamed it. > > I am not sure what it is right now, but lock your session an then from > > your text console check a "ps aux" and see what's running... > > > > For instance, if your find out that is something called 'klock' just do > > # which klock > > and it will say, for instance > > /usr/bin/klock > > > > Just rename/delete that file! > > > In 3.3, the file is kdesktop_lock. Rather than deleting or renaming it, I > suggest changing the permissions in case you decide to reenable locking > globally or for a particular user/group. > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- May the Shaolin Force be with you
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 17:45 schrieb Derek Broughton: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:28, tomas pospisek wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Derek Broughton wrote: > > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:39, Michael Koch wrote: > > > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > > > > If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years > > > > > past that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and > > > > > rewrite far too much. > > > > > > > > If you would provide more info we could work on your problem > > > > but with so much information I can't help you. > > > > > > There's no "information" because I need a Java2 runtime. > > > > I guess being constructive could f.ex. mean (in that order): > > > > 1. going through the list and noting where Java1 & Java2 differ > > 2. checking whether/where the free implementations (do not) > > conform 3. send patches > > > > Saying that the free VMs doesn't implement all of Java2 may help > > people not to waste their time on trying out different > > combinations of OSS, but I can't see how going on ranting about > > how crap the free implementations are will help anybody. > > I agree. I have explicitly _not_ used such words as "crap" though. > The problem is that kaffe (specifically - I haven't tried sablevm) > has never been at a stage where I could use if for my own > applications. If I can't use it _at all_ it's hard to get involved > to the point where I could even do 1 & 2, let alone 3. And for the > record, I wasn't "going on ranting" - Michael asked for specific > details and I told him I couldn't give any because kaffe had never > been usable for me. I give up. "is not usable" is not really describing a problem. We can't even guess what your problem is out of this. There are many people out there that are happy with the free runtimes already. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: DPMS doesn't work with KDE
kde: 3.3.1 (from sid :-)) xset -q: DPMS (Energy Star): Standby: 600Suspend: 600Off: 600 DPMS is Enabled Monitor is On Font cache: hi-mark (KB): 5120 low-mark (KB): 3840 balance (%): 70 File paths: Config file: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 Modules path: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules Log file: /var/log/XFree86.0.log XF86Config-4: Section "Monitor" Identifier "Generic Monitor" HorizSync 28-50 VertRefresh 43-75 Option "DPMS" This is the only section DPMS is mentioned. And xset dpms force off works "out of the box" cheers Wolfgang
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Derek Broughton pointerstop.ca> writes: > I agree. I have explicitly _not_ used such words as "crap" though. The > problem is that kaffe (specifically - I haven't tried sablevm) has never been > at a stage where I could use if for my own applications. If I can't use it > _at all_ it's hard to get involved to the point where I could even do 1 & 2, > let alone 3. And for the record, I wasn't "going on ranting" - Michael asked > for specific details and I told him I couldn't give any because kaffe had > never been usable for me. Thank you for your kind bug report, Derek. I couldn't find a bug report from you on the Kaffe mailing list, or in the Debian bug tracker, unfortunately, so I have no idea what you are talking about. Are your problems related to Kaffe crashing, or is it some class library issue? cheers, dalibor topic
Re: KDE 3.3.1 in Sarge
On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:11, Frans Pop wrote: > I also wonder if these messages really need to be printed: > gpgmeplug checkMessageSignature found email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > gpgmeplug checkMessageSignature status flags: 3 Run kdebugdialog and check if disabling the respective (or all) options avoids printing these messages. Cheers, Kevin
Re: Q about konsole: button for closing tabs disapeared!
KDE2.2 but ... I looked and they are not there. Probably they never were. I must have had halucinations. But anyway, thanks, Uli
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 12:28, tomas pospisek wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Derek Broughton wrote: > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:39, Michael Koch wrote: > > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > > > If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years past > > > > that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and rewrite far > > > > too much. > > > > > > If you would provide more info we could work on your problem but with > > > so much information I can't help you. > > > > There's no "information" because I need a Java2 runtime. > > I guess being constructive could f.ex. mean (in that order): > > 1. going through the list and noting where Java1 & Java2 differ > 2. checking whether/where the free implementations (do not) conform > 3. send patches > > Saying that the free VMs doesn't implement all of Java2 may help people > not to waste their time on trying out different combinations of OSS, but > I can't see how going on ranting about how crap the free implementations > are will help anybody. I agree. I have explicitly _not_ used such words as "crap" though. The problem is that kaffe (specifically - I haven't tried sablevm) has never been at a stage where I could use if for my own applications. If I can't use it _at all_ it's hard to get involved to the point where I could even do 1 & 2, let alone 3. And for the record, I wasn't "going on ranting" - Michael asked for specific details and I told him I couldn't give any because kaffe had never been usable for me. -- derek
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 16:55 schrieb Derek Broughton: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:39, Michael Koch wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > > If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years > > > past that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and > > > rewrite far too much. > > > > If you would provide more info we could work on your problem but > > with so much information I can't help you. > > There's no "information" because I need a Java2 runtime. When you > guys promise a conformant system, I'll try it again, but you're so > far out of date that it isn't worth the effort. I stopped writing > code to depend on 1.1 back around the turn of the century. > > I don't want to bash, but this is one of the major problems of OSS. > It's a catch-22 - nobody will use the software if it doesn't do > what the non-free software does, but if nobody uses it developers > can't improve it. -- > derek Not providing java2-runtime virtual package does not mean we don't support most of the features. I don't say you have to rewrite your stuff for 1.1. I just told you to try with free runtime and report problems. If you want you can help us with writing patches too. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: how to clear cache
On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:02, jianan wrote: > Your answer is the latest but the best, unlike the first few who see this as > a > opportunity to show-off and be rude. > > Thank you. > > Jianan I agree with what has been said. The lists are for people with problems, which your's can't be called. You're wasting our bandwith with these questions. What you should do is to poke around and STFW and RTFM (search for those too), before asking the list with such simple questions. Regards, Anders Breindahl.
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Derek Broughton wrote: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:39, Michael Koch wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > > If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years past > > > that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and rewrite far > > > too much. > > > > If you would provide more info we could work on your problem but with > > so much information I can't help you. > > There's no "information" because I need a Java2 runtime. I guess being constructive could f.ex. mean (in that order): 1. going through the list and noting where Java1 & Java2 differ 2. checking whether/where the free implementations (do not) conform 3. send patches Saying that the free VMs doesn't implement all of Java2 may help people not to waste their time on trying out different combinations of OSS, but I can't see how going on ranting about how crap the free implementations are will help anybody. *t
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:39, Michael Koch wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years past > > that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and rewrite far > > too much. > > If you would provide more info we could work on your problem but with > so much information I can't help you. There's no "information" because I need a Java2 runtime. When you guys promise a conformant system, I'll try it again, but you're so far out of date that it isn't worth the effort. I stopped writing code to depend on 1.1 back around the turn of the century. I don't want to bash, but this is one of the major problems of OSS. It's a catch-22 - nobody will use the software if it doesn't do what the non-free software does, but if nobody uses it developers can't improve it. -- derek
Re: how to clear cache
On Thursday 06 January 2005 15:02, jianan wrote: > Your answer is the latest but the best, unlike the first few who see this > as a opportunity to show-off and be rude. > > Thank you. You might want to read http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html to understand way people on the list are reacting this way (and to avoid it in the future) -- Cheers, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) 1. Encrypted mail preferred (GPG KeyID: 0x86624ABB) 2. Plain-text mail recommended since I move html and double format mails to a low priority folder (they're mainly spam) pgpbfb3RZOvaa.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:47 schrieb Derek Broughton: > If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years past > that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and rewrite far > too much. If you would provide more info we could work on your problem but with so much information I can't help you. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: how to clear cache
On Thursday 06 January 2005 10:02, jianan wrote: > Your answer is the latest but the best, unlike the first few who see this > as a opportunity to show-off and be rude. You still don't get it. This refusal to quote, and asking questions for which you could get answers from Google, shows _you_ to be rude. People here are trying to help, but they'll run out of patience. -- derek
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 09:17, Michael Koch wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 13:52 schrieb Derek Broughton: > > On Thursday 06 January 2005 06:42, Michael Koch wrote: > > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 11:35 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj > > Andersen: > > > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > > > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for > > > > > it) > > > > > > > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > > > > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of > > > the Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. > > > > Oh, please. Neither one of them appears to support Java2 (at > > least, they don't provide java2-runtime). That puts them so far > > behind the state of the art as to be worthless. > > They dont provide it because Swing is not complete (but mostly > working). Other things like NIO are better supported. E.g. Tomcat 5.5 > and Eclipse 3 can be run with today's free runtimes. I don't call > this useless. Its even possible to compile Eclipse 3 to native and > use it. If I can't use Swing, it's useless. Sorry, but we're years past that. I tried to use kaffe, but I have to go back and rewrite far too much. -- derek
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:29 schrieb Rafael Rodríguez: > Erm.. that's nice, but when i talked about an intro, i meant what's > the status of each solution right now (kaffe, sablevm, gcj, etc). > > For the simple things i do with java, jikes + kaffe work great. > Jikes is blinking fast and provides much better error output than > sun's Well, the status is more or less the same. All use GNU classpath (directly or indiretly). It only depends on what version/snapshot of GNU classpath a special VM depends on/uses iternally. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 15:08 schrieb tomas pospisek: > Unless Gadek is a blockhead you both should be able to find a > solution where the package only consists of dependencies and where > the user can choose one or the other. Or at least that's what > rationality would imply. *t He is surely not. Its just that noone cared enough to include other dependencies yet. I will speak with him on IRC later. Michael. -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: KDE 3.3.1 in Sarge
* Frans Pop [Thu, 06 Jan 2005 15:18:01 +0100]: > I ran into one other problem this morning when I booted the system. > The keyboard was completely dead in kdm, including console switching. > In the end I rebooted into single user mode, started kde with 'startx' and > checked the keyboard settings in the control panel. > It turned out that the "Enable keyboard layouts" checkbox had somehow been > deselected and also my Xkb Options were gone. > After resetting these, kdm works normally again. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the settings of your user's keyborad layouts shouldn't affect what happens in kdm. I belive you can easily find a couple or more bugs related to non-working keyboards in kdm. IIRC, it's due to an upsteam change in the kdm/Xservers file. We will discuss providing a workaround for the 3.3.2 packages. -- Adeodato Simó EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | PK: DA6AE621 Listening to: Andrés Calamaro - Me Pierdo A conference is a gathering of important people who singly can do nothing but together can decide that nothing can be done. -- Fred Allen
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Erm.. that's nice, but when i talked about an intro, i meant what's the status of each solution right now (kaffe, sablevm, gcj, etc). For the simple things i do with java, jikes + kaffe work great. Jikes is blinking fast and provides much better error output than sun's Regards, Rafael Rodríguez El Jueves, 6 de Enero de 2005 13:30, Michael Koch escribió: > We try to support as much as possible. Kaffe, sablevm and > jamvm/classpath are the most complete runtimes because they release > more often then GCJ (this is bound to GCC releases). > > A big problem is that we don't get enough feedback from users with bug > reports. More bug reports would be wonderful. All the people out > there seem to like to use (buggy) proprietary software more than free > software and report issues if there are some. Free Java in Debian is > good. It supports many things like Tomcat 5 or Eclipse 3. People > should really try it. > > > Michael
Re: KDE 3.3.1 in Sarge
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 16:59, Frans Pop wrote: > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 14:36, Frans Pop wrote: > > Just upgraded to 3.3.1 in Sarge. No problems and... I ran into one other problem this morning when I booted the system. The keyboard was completely dead in kdm, including console switching. In the end I rebooted into single user mode, started kde with 'startx' and checked the keyboard settings in the control panel. It turned out that the "Enable keyboard layouts" checkbox had somehow been deselected and also my Xkb Options were gone. After resetting these, kdm works normally again. Cheers, FJP pgpMtiHEFQgQ3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: how to clear cache
Your answer is the latest but the best, unlike the first few who see this as a opportunity to show-off and be rude. Thank you. Jianan
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005, Michael Koch wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 14:23 schrieb Daniel Serpell: [...] > > ~$ apt-cache show free-java-sdk > > Package: free-java-sdk > > [...] > > Depends: jikes-sablevm, fastjar, sablevm, classpath-tools > > [...] > > Description: Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java > > tools [...] > It's maintainer is the same as the maintainer as for sablevm. (Hi > Gadek ;-)). When I would have made such a package I would have used > jamvm as I'm it's maintainer in Debian. > > free-java-sdk provides some of the stuff kaffe provides too but I > would always use kaffe because its more complete. Unless Gadek is a blockhead you both should be able to find a solution where the package only consists of dependencies and where the user can choose one or the other. Or at least that's what rationality would imply. *t
Re: KDE 3.3.1 in Sarge
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 18:07, Andrew Schulman wrote:
> kate always throws out reams of failed assertions to the console. I
> got sick of it and now use
>
> function kate
> {
> /usr/bin/kate "$@" 2>/dev/null
> }
Yes, but that is not a real solution and it is very much worse than in the
previous version of kate in Sarge.
I yesterday deleted my ~/.xsession-errors, but now it is already at 180kB.
The main culprits are:
ASSERT: "!m_doc->wrapCursor()" in ../../../kate/part/katerenderer.cpp
(626)
konqueror: ERROR: Error in BrowserExtension::actionSlotMap(), unknown
action : searchProvider
IMHO, these really need to be fixed.
I also wonder if these messages really need to be printed:
gpgmeplug checkMessageSignature found email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gpgmeplug checkMessageSignature status flags: 3
Cheers,
FJP
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Re: disable Lock Session button
On Thursday 06 January 2005 06:17 am, Joao Clemente wrote: > Jonathan Meller wrote: > > Ave! > > > > How can I disable "Lock Session" from my KDE 3.3 ? > > Hi! Dunno if with 3.3 also works, but in my 3.2 (I think) I located the > binary that is runned when you click that and deleted/renamed it. > I am not sure what it is right now, but lock your session an then from > your text console check a "ps aux" and see what's running... > > For instance, if your find out that is something called 'klock' just do > # which klock > and it will say, for instance > /usr/bin/klock > > Just rename/delete that file! In 3.3, the file is kdesktop_lock. Rather than deleting or renaming it, I suggest changing the permissions in case you decide to reenable locking globally or for a particular user/group.
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 14:23 schrieb Daniel Serpell: > Hi! > > El Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:42:54AM +0100, Michael Koch escribio: > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 11:35 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: > > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for > > > > it) > > > > > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of > > the Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. > > ~$ apt-cache show free-java-sdk > Package: free-java-sdk > [...] > Depends: jikes-sablevm, fastjar, sablevm, classpath-tools > [...] > Description: Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java > tools > > So, at least the existance of this package seems to imply this :-) It's maintainer is the same as the maintainer as for sablevm. (Hi Gadek ;-)). When I would have made such a package I would have used jamvm as I'm it's maintainer in Debian. free-java-sdk provides some of the stuff kaffe provides too but I would always use kaffe because its more complete. I still don't think this is a well choosen name. "Java" is a trademark by SUN. And we are not allowed to call it "Java" when we don't verify we are compatible to SUN (which currently costs much money). Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Hi! El Thu, Jan 06, 2005 at 11:42:54AM +0100, Michael Koch escribio: > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 11:35 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for it) > > > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of the > Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. ~$ apt-cache show free-java-sdk Package: free-java-sdk [...] Depends: jikes-sablevm, fastjar, sablevm, classpath-tools [...] Description: Complete Java SDK environment consisting of free Java tools So, at least the existance of this package seems to imply this :-) Daniel.
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 12:47 schrieb Rafael Rodríguez: > El Jueves, 6 de Enero de 2005 11:12, Michael Koch escribió: > > Some of the "facts" in this document are outdated and others are > > just wrong or incomplete.I will try to get some free time to > > update it. > > Can u give us a little informal intro? Would be nice to know about > the actual status of debian java... and konqui possibilities with > it too! We try to support as much as possible. Kaffe, sablevm and jamvm/classpath are the most complete runtimes because they release more often then GCJ (this is bound to GCC releases). A big problem is that we don't get enough feedback from users with bug reports. More bug reports would be wonderful. All the people out there seem to like to use (buggy) proprietary software more than free software and report issues if there are some. Free Java in Debian is good. It supports many things like Tomcat 5 or Eclipse 3. People should really try it. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 13:52 schrieb Derek Broughton: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 06:42, Michael Koch wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 11:35 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: > > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for > > > > it) > > > > > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of > > the Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. > > Oh, please. Neither one of them appears to support Java2 (at > least, they don't provide java2-runtime). That puts them so far > behind the state of the art as to be worthless. They dont provide it because Swing is not complete (but mostly working). Other things like NIO are better supported. E.g. Tomcat 5.5 and Eclipse 3 can be run with today's free runtimes. I don't call this useless. Its even possible to compile Eclipse 3 to native and use it. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 06:42, Michael Koch wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 11:35 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: > > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for it) > > > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of the > Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. Oh, please. Neither one of them appears to support Java2 (at least, they don't provide java2-runtime). That puts them so far behind the state of the art as to be worthless. -- derek
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
El Jueves, 6 de Enero de 2005 11:12, Michael Koch escribió: > Some of the "facts" in this document are outdated and others are just > wrong or incomplete.I will try to get some free time to update it. Can u give us a little informal intro? Would be nice to know about the actual status of debian java... and konqui possibilities with it too! thx, Rafael Rodríguez
Re: disable Lock Session button
Jonathan Meller wrote: Ave! How can I disable "Lock Session" from my KDE 3.3 ? Hi! Dunno if with 3.3 also works, but in my 3.2 (I think) I located the binary that is runned when you click that and deleted/renamed it. I am not sure what it is right now, but lock your session an then from your text console check a "ps aux" and see what's running... For instance, if your find out that is something called 'klock' just do # which klock and it will say, for instance /usr/bin/klock Just rename/delete that file! Good luck Joao Clemente
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 12:00 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: > On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:42, Michael Koch wrote: > > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of > > the Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. > > I don't remember. I just seemed to remember seeing it somewhere. > > Anyway. Some hard core facts can be found here: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/index.html Some of the "facts" in this document are outdated and others are just wrong or incomplete.I will try to get some free time to update it. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:42, Michael Koch wrote: > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > > recommended free jvm for Debian. > > Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of the > Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. I don't remember. I just seemed to remember seeing it somewhere. Anyway. Some hard core facts can be found here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/index.html Anders
Re: how to clear cache
El Jueves, 6 de Enero de 2005 11:18, C. Hurschler escribió: > gosh are you smart!!! You must be bored out of your gord, please add me > to your filter too. For me, belonging to this mailing list, or another, means belonging to a small community, where there are some small and easy to follow rules: the nettiquette. When you ask really simple questions before asking, or post at the top of the previous email, quoting it entirely, you are going against this rules, and making the life in this small community a bit more unpleasant. Maybe you didn't liked Frans' way of saying this, but he is right in the meaning. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) - GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://darkshines.net/ - Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 11:35 schrieb Anders Ellenshøj Andersen: > On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for it) > > It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the > recommended free jvm for Debian. Where have you read this ? As a free java developer and part of the Debian Java effort I would recommend kaffe. Michael -- Homepage: http://www.worldforge.org/
Re: java plug-in (sablevm)
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 12:38, Kevin Krammer wrote: > Or maybe Sable VM (not sure if there is a Debian package for it) It's in unstable. And I seem to remember that it is in fact the recommended free jvm for Debian. Anders
Re: how to clear cache
gosh are you smart!!! You must be bored out of your gord, please add me to your filter too. Chris On Thursday 06 January 2005 11:13, Frans Pop wrote: > > After visiting some sensitive sites, you are advised to 'clear the > > cache' for security reason. In IE, this involves clearing files in a > > folder, and there's a button for that > > > > How is this handle in Konqueror? > > You really are good in asking trivial questions that you could very easily > figure out for yourselves. > The answer is: exactly the same. > > But as you apparently are not capable of locating it, the full > instructions are: > Settings (in the menu)->Configure Konqueror (menu option)->Cache (big icon > in first column)->Clear cache (nice button) > > Extremely obvious IMHO. > > Cheers, > FJP > > /me very much hopes you will search a little bit harder before asking > questions on this list in the future; if not you will be the very first > person I will give his very own mailfilter assigning your mails straight > to trash.
Re: how to clear cache
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 10:24 schrieb jianan: > After visiting some sensitive sites, you are advised to 'clear the cache' > for security reason. In IE, this involves clearing files in a folder, and > there's a button for that > > How is this handle in Konqueror? You can also do that in kcontrol under security&privacy->privacy HS
Re: how to clear cache
Am Donnerstag, 6. Januar 2005 10:24 schrieb jianan: > After visiting some sensitive sites, you are advised to 'clear the cache' > for security reason. In IE, this involves clearing files in a folder, and > there's a button for that > > How is this handle in Konqueror? The same, you have buttons for that in the settings, not hard to find. HS
Re: how to clear cache
> After visiting some sensitive sites, you are advised to 'clear the > cache' for security reason. In IE, this involves clearing files in a > folder, and there's a button for that > > How is this handle in Konqueror? You really are good in asking trivial questions that you could very easily figure out for yourselves. The answer is: exactly the same. But as you apparently are not capable of locating it, the full instructions are: Settings (in the menu)->Configure Konqueror (menu option)->Cache (big icon in first column)->Clear cache (nice button) Extremely obvious IMHO. Cheers, FJP /me very much hopes you will search a little bit harder before asking questions on this list in the future; if not you will be the very first person I will give his very own mailfilter assigning your mails straight to trash. pgppR3GA9pc8l.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to clear cache
On Thursday, 6 de January de 2005 10:24, jianan wrote: > Hi, > > > After visiting some sensitive sites, you are advised to 'clear the cache' > for security reason. In IE, this involves clearing files in a folder, and > there's a button for that > > How is this handle in Konqueror? Settings Menu->Cache->Clear Cache -- temp: http://temp.roncero.org Out: 8.88 ºC -- In: 20.25 ºC
how to clear cache
Hi, After visiting some sensitive sites, you are advised to 'clear the cache' for security reason. In IE, this involves clearing files in a folder, and there's a button for that How is this handle in Konqueror? Jianan
