Re: KDE on Sarge

[Marc Haber]

On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 03:04:19AM +0200, justme wrote:
> then there is NO X 

Looks like you didn't install an X server. Sheesh.

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Fabricio \"segfault\" Cannini]

Hi guys!!

> > > all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then
> > > kvim ever did IMO).

It sounds like a dream coming true!!

> > Could you specify what is better with yzis compared to kvim? I can't find
> > anything that is better.

I, for example,  could never set vim to use a specific font.
If i'd do so, kvim would freak out and display the text very badly. 
Example:

Mary had a little lard.



M   a r  y ha   d  a lit  t  le  l   ar  d


Then I simply put kvim aside.

Kyzis is promising good things, let's wait for it.

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Matej Cepl]

cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
>> It doesn't add its entry to the Konqi settings menu,
>> the standalone program doesn't change the kpart,
> I think it's supposed to work the way you guessed (wich would make these
> bugs)

It is not in Konqui's settings, but go to Control Panel/KDE
Components/Setting KDE Components.

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KDE on Sarge

[justme]

I installed KDE on sarge debian

It does not start automaticaly

when I do: startX it says:

/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Xinit/Xserverrc:  line 2:  /usr/bin/X11/X: Onknown

 directory or file

Xinit: no such file or directory (errno2): unable to connect to X
server.


When I look into thefile:  /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Xinit/Xserverrc

there is line 2 and it says:


exec /usr/bin/X11/X  -dpi  100 -nolisten tcp


When I go to /usr/bin/X11/

then there is NO X 


please who can help me

thanks in advance


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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Matej Cepl]

cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
>> > Is there any plan for a fix?
> kvim is abandonded upstream and never worked that well to begin with

So, we have kyzis comparing to which kate is mighty tool.

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Matej Cepl]

cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> I never got kvim working sufficiently well that I could have it open more
> then briefly before I closed it again out of sheer annoyance. I've had no
> such frustratrions with kyzis sofar (but then i use it mostly as a way to
> open textfiles in an embedded text viewer within konqueror, not exactly
> heavy usage)

Well, was not much exciting for me either, but at least it worked like vim.
Where in kyzis I can find:
- folding
- digraphs
- advanced outliner (http://www.vimoutliner.org)
- LaTeX editing environment (like vim-latexsuite)
- email editing environment (like mail.vim)
- etc., etc.

Well, I cannot, so the result is that for next couple of years (before kyzis
will be developed), I have touch luck. I know that there is not much joy in
maintaining something which doesn't work well, and which is doomed to be
scrapped anyway, but during that time even kate will be usable. Oh, well.
For anybody interested I have ignited long discussion on comp.editors about
kvim and kyzis like two weeks ago -- Google Groups are your friends.

Best,

Matej

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)]

On Saturday 28 May 2005 00:06, Nick Leverton wrote:
> It doesn't add its entry to the Konqi settings menu, 
> the standalone program doesn't change the kpart, 
I think it's supposed to work the way you guessed (wich would make these 
bugs)

> If you can point me at a bugzilla or similar I'll go and enter what I've
> found. 
bugs.yzis.org
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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Nick Leverton]

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 11:24:10PM +0200, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2005 23:18, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
 
> > Kyzis works as  kpart conforming to the texteditor interface
> > -> you need to set it as the preferred component for embedded viewing of
> > whatever mime-type you want to open in it.
> > -> it also works in e.g kdevelop

Aha, thank you for the tip.  How do I configure it when it's used as a
kpart though ?  It doesn't add its entry to the Konqi settings menu, the
standalone program doesn't change the kpart, and its idea of a colour
schema is ... well, not readable on my desktop.
And nyzis displays in white-text-on-white, which is even less useful.

> general integration with the rest of kde is IMO also an area where kyzis 
> shines in comparison with kvim

On a quick test, it falls down badly on both keystroke compatibility and
command usability.  I could possibly get used to its implementation of
vi commands (after all I did start on vi many years before I got used
to the power of vim), but yzis seems very buggy, either that or it has
more differences than those detailed on the web site.  If you can point
me at a bugzilla or similar I'll go and enter what I've found.

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)]

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:08, Alex Nordstrom wrote:
> On Sat, 28 May 2005 01:09, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> > all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then
> > kvim ever did IMO).
>
> Not in my experience. Kyzis doesn't even remember its own configuration
> from session to session. I'll still stick with GVim (through vim-perl)
> for some time.

I'm mostly comparing them from a vi-like editor kde app, it's the 
kde-integration I'm looking for (function as kpart, work with ioslaves, 
look like the rest of the apps, ..), I tend to mostly actual work from a 
commandline (vt, or konsole) anyway, In which case I'll use plain vim

I never got kvim working sufficiently well that I could have it open more 
then briefly before I closed it again out of sheer annoyance. I've had no 
such frustratrions with kyzis sofar (but then i use it mostly as a way to 
open textfiles in an embedded text viewer within konqueror, not exactly 
heavy usage)
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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)]

On Friday 27 May 2005 23:18, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2005 20:26, Nick Leverton wrote:
> > On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:05:59PM +0200, Robert Lindgren wrote:
> > > > all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better
> > > > then kvim ever did IMO). see www.yzis.org, they have deb packages
> > > > available.
> > >
> > > Could you specify what is better with yzis compared to kvim? I can't
> > > find anything that is better.

> Kyzis works as  kpart conforming to the texteditor interface
> -> you need to set it as the preferred component for embedded viewing of
> whatever mime-type you want to open in it.
> -> it also works in e.g kdevelop

general integration with the rest of kde is IMO also an area where kyzis 
shines in comparison with kvim
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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)]

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:26, Nick Leverton wrote:
> On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:05:59PM +0200, Robert Lindgren wrote:
> > > all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then
> > > kvim ever did IMO). see www.yzis.org, they have deb packages
> > > available.
> >
> > Could you specify what is better with yzis compared to kvim? I can't
> > find anything that is better.
>
> I'd certainly like to know.  Neither yzis nor kyzis works when filled
> into the Vim component selection of kcontrol.  I get an error "your Vim
> does not propvide any GUI support".

That's the configuration thing for vimpart which has nothing at all to do 
with any non vim-? editors (hence it won't recognize kyzis, or other 
vi-alike editors)

Kyzis works as  kpart conforming to the texteditor interface 
-> you need to set it as the preferred component for embedded viewing of 
whatever mime-type you want to open in it. 
-> it also works in e.g kdevelop
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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)]

On Friday 27 May 2005 20:05, Robert Lindgren wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2005 19:09, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> > On Friday 27 May 2005 16:14, Rigo Wenning wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, I just found:
> > > http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/03/28#20050328_dropping-kvim
> > >
> > >  According to popcon, kvim is the most often installed vim package
> > > after vim and vim-common.
> > >
> > > But it is not maintained...
> >
> > all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then
> > kvim ever did IMO). see www.yzis.org, they have deb packages available.
>
> Could you specify what is better with yzis compared to kvim? I can't find
> anything that is better.

I always found the kvim ui to very quirky, with several very annying (to me) 
bugs, like the one where the window automatically started shrinking when 
you opened it, or when it started shrinking

Those quirks always annoyed me enough that I never really used kvim, as I 
always got frustrated with the gui fast, Kyzis so far hasn't really annoyed 
me  (but then my vi usage is fairly basic).
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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Nick Leverton]

On Fri, May 27, 2005 at 08:05:59PM +0200, Robert Lindgren wrote:
 >
> > all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then kvim
> > ever did IMO). see www.yzis.org, they have deb packages available.
> 
> Could you specify what is better with yzis compared to kvim? I can't find 
> anything that is better.

I'd certainly like to know.  Neither yzis nor kyzis works when filled
into the Vim component selection of kcontrol.  I get an error "your Vim
does not propvide any GUI support".

ii  kyzis  20050526-1 KDE Frontend for the Yzis editor
ii  kcontrol   3.3.2-1KDE Control Center

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Alex Nordstrom]

On Sat, 28 May 2005 01:09, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then
> kvim ever did IMO).

Not in my experience. Kyzis doesn't even remember its own configuration 
from session to session. I'll still stick with GVim (through vim-perl) 
for some time.

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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Robert Lindgren]

On Friday 27 May 2005 19:09, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Friday 27 May 2005 16:14, Rigo Wenning wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I just found:
> > http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/03/28#20050328_dropping-kvim
> >
> >  According to popcon, kvim is the most often installed vim package after
> > vim and vim-common.
> >
> > But it is not maintained...
>
> all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then kvim
> ever did IMO). see www.yzis.org, they have deb packages available.

Could you specify what is better with yzis compared to kvim? I can't find 
anything that is better.

Cheers
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Re: icons moving

[Roman Kreisel]

On Friday 27 May 2005 18:03, Kim Scales wrote:
> Hi
>
> Having trouble with my desktop icons moving away from my cursor.  They
> are like magnets turned the wrong way.  The cursor gets close to the
> icon and it runs.  Any helpful hints
>
> Thanks

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Hm... maybe you should use another OS? *g*

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icons moving

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Title: Message



Hi
 
Having trouble with 
my desktop icons moving away from my cursor.  They are like magnets turned 
the wrong way.  The cursor gets close to the icon and it runs.  Any 
helpful hints
 
Thanks

Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)]

On Friday 27 May 2005 16:14, Rigo Wenning wrote:
> Unfortunately, I just found:
> http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/03/28#20050328_dropping-kvim
>
>  According to popcon, kvim is the most often installed vim package after
> vim and vim-common.
>
> But it is not maintained...

all the kvim authors moved over to kyzis (already working better then kvim 
ever did IMO). see www.yzis.org, they have deb packages available.

> > Is there any plan for a fix?
kvim is abandonded upstream and never worked that well to begin with 
-> IMO at this point any fix at this point seems like a wast of time
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Re: Kvim broken in alioth

[Rigo Wenning]

Unfortunately, I just found:
http://www.inittab.de/blog/2005/03/28#20050328_dropping-kvim

 According to popcon, kvim is the most often installed vim package after 
vim and vim-common.

But it is not maintained...

*sigh*

Rigo

Am Friday 27 May 2005 16:03 verlautbarte Rigo Wenning :
> Using the alioth packages, the dependencies to kvim are broken and
> vimpart-kde has a dependency on vim-gtk.
>
> Is there any plan for a fix?
>
> Rigo


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Re: Menus

[Derek Broughton]

On Tuesday 24 May 2005 14:42, Kevin Krammer wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 May 2005 18:23, Derek Broughton wrote:
> > Can someone either describe, or point me to a description, of the KDE
> > menu system, please?
>
> As of KDE3.2 the menu is build after the freedesktop.org menu
> specification.
>
> This means that application menu entries are described by .desktop files
> under /usr/share/application or more precisely in any directory listed by
> #> kde-config --path xdgdata-apps

That's annoying.  I have:
/home/derek/.local/share/applications/:/usr/share/applications/
and the local applications directory contains some CrossOver .desktop files 
that I created manually.  These do show up in the menu.

>
> The structure is described by .menu files under /etc/xdg/menus or more
> precisely and directory under
> #> kde-config --path xdgconf-menu

Which contains: /home/derek/.config/menus/:/etc/xdg/menus/

where ~/.config/menus/applications-merged/cxlegacy.menu points to 
~/cxoffice/support/xdg-legacy-menus 
(/home/derek/cxoffice/support/xdg-legacy-menus)
which contains two directories "CrossOver" and "Windows_Applications".  Those 
directories contain .desktop files and other directories.  However, none of 
those files get included into the menu in any way.

> > Also, iirc, KDE used to have a program that would find .desktop files and
> > add them to the K menu.  If it still exists, kubuntu doesn't put it onto
> > a menu. What program is it?
>
> kappfinder

Which I have.  I think this might all be kubuntu related - I think kubuntu is 
(very annoyingly) suppressing all sorts of menus - which is why kappfinder 
isn't there.  I'll have to try on the kubuntu list.
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Kvim broken in alioth

[Rigo Wenning]

Using the alioth packages, the dependencies to kvim are broken and 
vimpart-kde has a dependency on vim-gtk. 

Is there any plan for a fix?

Rigo


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kde 3.4.0 can't wake up on an ibook2.2

[Jorge Salamero]

hi all,

i've installed kde 3.4.0 on my ibook2.2 from 
http://amaretto.inria.fr/~mc/debian/ most of things work fine, but if i sleep 
the ibook, i can't wake up it again.

with xfree safemode session or fluxbox with kde apps running (konqueror and 
kmail) i've no problem and wakes up as used.

no extrange message during the wake up, do you know what could be ?

thanks in advance !
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