Re: KDE for Etch
On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Henry keultjes wrote: Nate Duehr wrote: History has shown that what you "need" and what the Debian hive- mind of developers want to do, are often two very different things. :-) Luckily, sometimes that is NOT the case. But in the case of Gnome vs KDE... I doubt the Debian developers can come to any reasonable consensus. You can follow the fun on debian-devel and search the archives if you're REALLY bored. This http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ link seems to be ample proof that Debian is just as interested in KDE as in Gnome so adding HDD install benefits Debian with whatever the desktop is. So why not help us out, take advantage of the GPL and take the code for the HDD install from SuSE's new live CD? You asking me? I'm not a Debian developer. Or are you just asking the group at large, hoping a dev is listening? -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE for Etch
Nate Duehr wrote: History has shown that what you "need" and what the Debian hive-mind of developers want to do, are often two very different things. :-) Luckily, sometimes that is NOT the case. But in the case of Gnome vs KDE... I doubt the Debian developers can come to any reasonable consensus. You can follow the fun on debian-devel and search the archives if you're REALLY bored. This http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ link seems to be ample proof that Debian is just as interested in KDE as in Gnome so adding HDD install benefits Debian with whatever the desktop is. So why not help us out, take advantage of the GPL and take the code for the HDD install from SuSE's new live CD? Henry Keultjes Mansfield Ohio USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Thursday 08 November 2007, Nate Duehr wrote: > I think there's more than ten options for desktop managers. Should it > install them all? Well, as far as I understand, somebody wanted to have a "desktop" choice in the installer but not ask any further questions. If not asking any further questions is really important, then yes, it should install them all. No questions ask, nothing lost. > I don't think it should install ANYTHING without asking the user what > they want. Exactly! > > If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file > > bug > > reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. > > Why wait? Get it in the BTS now so someone has time to work on it, if > you're passionate about it. I am pretty sure the d-i maintainer knows about the bug. Reporting it again is just a last resort in case he or she forgets about it and Lenny's installer wouldnot be fixed either. Usually grave bugs like this are fixed before anyway, DDs usually don't like to wait for the last possible moment. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
On Nov 7, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Curt Howland wrote: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop" he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. I still consider this a grave bug in the Debian installer. It either should install most popular desktops together when the desktop task is selected, or install a lightweight one like XFCE if space/ download time is a consideration. I think there's more than ten options for desktop managers. Should it install them all? I don't think it should install ANYTHING without asking the user what they want. Actually I'd expect an installer of a neutral distribution like Debian to ask. If OpenSUSE can do it, Debian should also be able to. Therefore is a bug or oversight in the Etch installer. Yep, asking is best. If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file bug reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. Why wait? Get it in the BTS now so someone has time to work on it, if you're passionate about it. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Curt Howland wrote: > On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: > > If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the > > following: expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop" > > he then will have an install with only KDE. > > If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: > > tasksel install kde-destop > > Thierry > > It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the > point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen > the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, > now Philip, what we should have done. I still consider this a grave bug in the Debian installer. It either should install most popular desktops together when the desktop task is selected, or install a lightweight one like XFCE if space/download time is a consideration. Actually I'd expect an installer of a neutral distribution like Debian to ask. If OpenSUSE can do it, Debian should also be able to. Therefore is a bug or oversight in the Etch installer. If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file bug reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
On Nov 7, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Henry keultjes wrote: Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. What makes you believe so? If non-techie Debian advocates like myself are to become more effective we absolute need a live Debian/ KDE CD that is also HDD installable because that's the way to make converts. History has shown that what you "need" and what the Debian hive-mind of developers want to do, are often two very different things. :-) Luckily, sometimes that is NOT the case. But in the case of Gnome vs KDE... I doubt the Debian developers can come to any reasonable consensus. You can follow the fun on debian-devel and search the archives if you're REALLY bored. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE for Etch
Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. What makes you believe so? If non-techie Debian advocates like myself are to become more effective we absolute need a live Debian/KDE CD that is also HDD installable because that's the way to make converts. Henry Keultjes Mansfield Ohio USA /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On 2007-11-07, Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate > options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. Try download the kde install cd from your favourite debian mirror. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Curt Howland wrote: >> It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the >> point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen >> the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, >> now Philip, what we should have done. >> >> Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate >> options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. >> > > That will be resolved if this > http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as > I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
* Curt Howland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007 Nov 07 15:25 -0600]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: > > If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the > > following: expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop" > > he then will have an install with only KDE. > > If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: > > tasksel install kde-destop > > Thierry > > It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the > point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen > the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, > now Philip, what we should have done. That was the only thing I groused about when Etch was released as I did a couple of practice installations. The consensus over on Debian-User seemed to be that no real problem exists since a working (open to interpretation, I guess) GUI was installed. Installing KDE was easy enough for me since I'm quite familiar with Aptitude. Ridding the system of GNOME to recover space was not so easily accomplished. The argument went that *something* had to be the default and since Debian had committed to GNOME years back, it was the default. Others cited "confusion" on the part of a newbie presented with a choice. Yeah, right. Newbie selects Debian out of a few hundred distros and only *then* during installation is confused by a choice? :-D I guess the standard answer is to "file a bug report". > Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate > options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. Egad, I haven't touched dselect in *years*. I use Aptitude in interactive mode (which I gather a lot of other people don't do since I see references to its commandline invocations). - Nate >> -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | "Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation!" http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE for Etch
Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. Henry Keultjes Mansfield Ohio USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: > If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the > following: expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop" > he then will have an install with only KDE. > If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: > tasksel install kde-destop > Thierry It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the "expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop"" is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has "desktop-Gnome" and "desktop-KDE" as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzIs+S9Y35yItIgBAQLmmAf+Pe57K9Xj4MR+WLkoLUscsAFD+VwWaOpu ZHi++j8Qm1ECpvNNWUdPyn/PYTMaiNKHERWaLkE6JCVTYi4U3ww5Z5VzVHbE35lY iUHKgqdtcY6MDuxQ+UyVKPZ6pHf7DNL3kM1nmEtzyN/1XheaASNWfI0FiRpWuPDw YNQZYVWG4mpiH4bKFFvyq1FiVdwOxrFeWgdUyA5jTH7f4AF3bAOegzzHKDkww0zx K7gc28/X2FGiko8xXBRS2lxgOgoZTiEW0EYDjHOMphx/ohYIe5EGq7iTnDt2uG8H mlI9oa2IhA0eXdan++W15N1comv1sw07QW4b7OaIm3pmt8pPUrHM0g== =gABT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 20:57, Curt Howland wrote: > On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Jan De Luyck was heard to say: > > On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when > > > will that be available? Thanks!! > > > > What KDE do you mean? > > In discussion with Philip, it's clear that he installed the default > GUI, which is GNOME, and didn't realize that anything and everything > else is available just an apt-get away. > > Maybe someone more versed in Aptitude or Synaptic could help him, I'm > rather too wedded to dselect to be any good to an honest-to-goodness > newbe any more. > > :^) > > Curt- If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks="standard, kde-desktop" he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Jan De Luyck was heard to say: > On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when > > will that be available? Thanks!! > > What KDE do you mean? In discussion with Philip, it's clear that he installed the default GUI, which is GNOME, and didn't realize that anything and everything else is available just an apt-get away. Maybe someone more versed in Aptitude or Synaptic could help him, I'm rather too wedded to dselect to be any good to an honest-to-goodness newbe any more. :^) Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzIYrC9Y35yItIgBAQJQ3Qf+LeYhopRLwP/PHZZDqkZPXfODYRwFoF5y rNypY2GtmWP80Tc+9yNTNWiroijl3pPoQ0p3gtakGSQufxcKYajvo01yAZzrQuEV Gd6xUcHoD1KceEvtQRBpY+tPpnKuUuQPl6geogl3pAK8XGuauCJDOa3rqurzZ6wM U3q0IG2sHNo2DlT8hIB93gsPbsl9Z1UTC2xqoDcg799EenVVIT2NqTNurzxhYzN5 ut2J5P9GPZXSxDay1tU34rvULWKZsEa8lx6NwoDen8gi43vdknKfBUVOQLLUo6uW /BfDzbp8b+T5m7XsDJrAJbG2aawjCncS9It368JjB/rbtOTYKkQXrA== =x9mO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
> > Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when > > will that be available? Thanks!! > > What KDE do you mean? > > Etch comes with a KDE version (no idea which). 'apt-get install kdm kde koffice' See also add this to /etc/apt/sources.list after installing KDE... deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/emiscabpo/kde358-bpo ./ http://emiscabpo.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/kde-358-backports-are-online-d/ -- Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kitchensync + syncML over OBEX client
Am Mittwoch 07 November 2007 schrieb Wolfgang Mader: > Am Dienstag 06 November 2007 23:37:51 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > > Am Dienstag 06 November 2007 schrieb Wolfgang Mader: > > > I have an new LG Shine mobile phone an want to sync this device with > > > kde KDE-pim apps. I found kitchensync to be (hopefully) the right tool. > > > I can connect the phone via usb to my computer. So I wanted to use the > > > syncML over OBEX client. This modules asks for the usb interface on > > > which the mobile found is to be found. > > > > > > I can mount the phone with /dev/sdb1. But I can not figure out which is > > > the usb interface expected from kitchensync. Any ideas? > > > > What makes you think that your mobile phone exports the proper USB > > descriptor? It is highly unlikely that USB mass-storage and UBS-OBEX (via > > CDC) are supported at the same time. > > Hmm, I do not know if my mobile phone supports OBEX, but this was the only > protokoll in kitchensync which seems to use usb, and I have an usb-cable > for my phone. I have never had a phone befor which was able to sync with > the pc. Perhaps I have to read a bit. Can you please point me to the right > documentation? You could try running "obexftp -u" (as root). It will tell you if there is a supported USB device. If it finds one as root but not as your user, you have to play some udev magic. HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: KDE for Etch
Thanks, everyone. I have my answer. -Original Message- From: Ana Guerrero [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:55 AM To: Philip Joslin - C10554 Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: KDE for Etch On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:56:58AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will > that be available? Thanks!! > You have Etch available with KDE 3.5.5 and you can install 3.5.7 from backports.org Ana >
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:56:58AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will > that be available? Thanks!! > You have Etch available with KDE 3.5.5 and you can install 3.5.7 from backports.org Ana > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will > that be available? Thanks!! What KDE do you mean? Etch comes with a KDE version (no idea which). -- modem, adj.: Up-to-date, new-fangled, as in "Thoroughly Modem Millie." An unfortunate byproduct of kerning. [That's sic!] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kitchensync + syncML over OBEX client
Am Dienstag 06 November 2007 23:37:51 schrieb Hendrik Sattler: > Am Dienstag 06 November 2007 schrieb Wolfgang Mader: > > I have an new LG Shine mobile phone an want to sync this device with kde > > KDE-pim apps. I found kitchensync to be (hopefully) the right tool. I can > > connect the phone via usb to my computer. So I wanted to use the syncML > > over OBEX client. This modules asks for the usb interface on which the > > mobile found is to be found. > > > > I can mount the phone with /dev/sdb1. But I can not figure out which is > > the usb interface expected from kitchensync. Any ideas? > > What makes you think that your mobile phone exports the proper USB > descriptor? It is highly unlikely that USB mass-storage and UBS-OBEX (via > CDC) are supported at the same time. > Hmm, I do not know if my mobile phone supports OBEX, but this was the only protokoll in kitchensync which seems to use usb, and I have an usb-cable for my phone. I have never had a phone befor which was able to sync with the pc. Perhaps I have to read a bit. Can you please point me to the right documentation? Thank you. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
KDE for Etch
Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!!
