Bug#496110: Confirmed and working on it.

2008-08-27 Thread Raúl Sánchez Siles
  Hello:

  I've reproduced this bug, bug it doesn't belong to kdeprint which is just 
the printing dialog application, but to the kdelibs where the cups backend 
lives.

  I'm working on a very simple patch on it and I'm almost done. The root cause 
it's the debian patch 34_cups12_init_script.diff which needs updating.

  Anyway take into account that this bug may not be so important to be be 
fixed for Lenny, which is already frozen.

  Regards,
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Processed: reassign 496110 to kdelibs

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Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread Mike Bird
I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny.
It was a huge disappointment.  It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs
which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the
functionality of ktorrent 2.2.

And it crashes.  A lot.

What am I missing?  I don't understand why this piece of KDE 4
is being pushed prematurely.  Most users will simply have to
downgrade to ktorrent2.2.  Why not release ktorrent version 2.2
in Lenny and maybe have a ktorrent3 package for anyone that wants
to play on the bleeding edge?

--Mike Bird


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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19:02PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
 I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny.
 It was a huge disappointment.  It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs
 which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the
 functionality of ktorrent 2.2.
 
 And it crashes.  A lot.
 
 What am I missing?  

Install ktorrent2.2 and remove ktorrent.


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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread Mike Bird
On Tue August 26 2008 23:56:00 Ana Guerrero wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19:02PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote:
  I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny.
  It was a huge disappointment.  It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs
  which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the
  functionality of ktorrent 2.2.
 
  And it crashes.  A lot.
 
  What am I missing?

 Install ktorrent2.2 and remove ktorrent.

Perhaps I wasn't clear.  My question is why are we defaulting Lenny
users to ktorrent 3.1.1 which will only result in frustration and
cause thousands of users to have to manually remove ktorrent and
install ktorrent2.2?

It would be much more helpful if Lenny shipped with ktorrent at
version 2.2.7.  ktorrent 3.1.1 could be packaged as ktorrent3,
so that it is available to people who want to try KDE4 but without
annoying people who need a usable ktorrent.

The Debian KDE team has wisely decided to provide KDE3 as the
default in Lenny, with KDE4 as an option.  Ktorrent goes against
this policy and the result is (I choose these words deliberately)
disfunctional, buggy, fragile, and ugly.  I don't know how well
ktorrent 3.1.1 behaves when surrounded by a full KDE4 install, but
I can tell you that apt-get install ktorrent in KDE3 Lenny gives
a ktorrent which is painful and embarrassing.

FWIW I did an apt-cache search ktorrent to see if the missing
functionality was available in additional packages, perhaps as
plugins, but no joy there either.

--Mike Bird


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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread Alejandro Exojo
El Miércoles, 27 de Agosto de 2008, Mike Bird escribió:
 The Debian KDE team has wisely decided to provide KDE3 as the
 default in Lenny, with KDE4 as an option.  Ktorrent goes against
 this policy and the result is (I choose these words deliberately)
 disfunctional, buggy, fragile, and ugly.  I don't know how well
 ktorrent 3.1.1 behaves when surrounded by a full KDE4 install, but
 I can tell you that apt-get install ktorrent in KDE3 Lenny gives
 a ktorrent which is painful and embarrassing.

I'm curious: What's the missing functionality of ktorrent 3.1.1?

I've used it since it was the default, more or less, and I've found it stable, 
and with much more functionality that I need (I just needed to activate 2 
plugins, and none of them is a must have for me).

I don't do anything special with torrents, but I've downloaded a lot of stuff 
without problems, though. Maybe it's a plugin that is compromising stability.

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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread David Bremner

Mike Bird wrote:

Perhaps I wasn't clear.  My question is why are we defaulting Lenny
users to ktorrent 3.1.1 which will only result in frustration and
cause thousands of users to have to manually remove ktorrent and
install ktorrent2.2?

If things are as bad as you say, then you should file bugs with the
appropriate severity on ktorrent. At the moment there are no
outstanding bugs of severity higher than normal, and only two normal
bugs. 

David




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[KDE 4.1 backports] Bug in strigi? (libstrigiqtdbusclient0 et al.)

2008-08-27 Thread LKML
Hi,
while trying the KDE4.1 backports on lenny (good job, thank you!) I've 
encountered a bug that seems to be in strigi. See KDE Bug #169584 [1].

The source of the bug _seems_ to be in libstrigiqtdbusclient0 which is in 
lenny (right?). So please, someone, tell me: Is this a bug I should report to 
the Debian BTS or not?

Best Regards,
Dominik Schulz

[1] - http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169584


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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 03:19:02 Mike Bird wrote:
 I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny.
 It was a huge disappointment.  It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs
 which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the
 functionality of ktorrent 2.2.

 And it crashes.  A lot.

 What am I missing?  I don't understand why this piece of KDE 4
 is being pushed prematurely.  Most users will simply have to
 downgrade to ktorrent2.2.  Why not release ktorrent version 2.2
 in Lenny and maybe have a ktorrent3 package for anyone that wants
 to play on the bleeding edge?

Works pretty fine for me :-/

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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?

2008-08-27 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hi,

trečiadienis 27 rugpjūtis 2008, Mike Bird rašė:
 I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny.
 It was a huge disappointment.  It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs
 which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the
 functionality of ktorrent 2.2.
Come on, check your facts before saying anything. The only missing feature is 
RSS plugin. So basically there are two reasons ktorrent2.2 package exists:

1) For users who do not want to install KDE4 runtime libraries.
2) For users who can't live without RSS plugin.

Read /usr/share/doc/ktorrent/README.Debian

What is more, KTorrent is not an official KDE package. It can also be used as 
a standalone application on any desktop environment/window manager where KDE 3 
vs. KDE 4 argument does not matter.

 And it crashes.  A lot.
Report bugs with proper backtraces. It has been rock solid for me for a long 
time and I basically use it 24/7. Your bugs might help to get later ktorrent 
3.1.x upstream bug fix release into Lenny.

 What am I missing?  I don't understand why this piece of KDE 4
 is being pushed prematurely.
KTorrent 3.x series has already had TWO major stable releases, both of them 
with new features and improvements in core code arguably resulting into better 
performance. ktorrent 2.2.7 is unmaintained and aging hence it might start to 
be banned from trackers soon. Do not forget that Lenny lifetime is long.

 Most users will simply have to
 downgrade to ktorrent2.2. 
It is interesting that you say downgrade here. That's another reason 3.1.x 
is the default. By the way, your most users claim is not backed up. Actually 
my opinion is contrary that most users won't downgrade. However, I *do* 
understand your arguments, so you have a choice and you are not forced to 
upgrade ktorrent 3 by installing ktorrent2.2.

 Why not release ktorrent version 2.2
 in Lenny and maybe have a ktorrent3 package for anyone that wants
 to play on the bleeding edge?
It is by no way bleeding edge. It is a stable release. ktorrent2.2 will be 
gone from testing/unstable once Lenny is released and there will be no upgrade 
path to ktorrent 3 in the next Debian stable release for this package.

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KDE 4.1 printing

2008-08-27 Thread Ferdinand Smit
Hi,

I cannot print with KDE programs. When i press the print button, the
application freezes. It happens in all KDE 4.1 programs like konqueror,
kontact, kwrite etc...

I do not get usefull messages in the .xsession-error file.

I did not find any hits when searching in the repository for kde4 print,
i only found kdeprint, but that's for 3.5. (And i did not get it to work
with 4.1)

Is printing broke or do i something wrong ?

Regards,
Ferdinand


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