Re: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
Am Sonntag 17 Mai 2009 schrieb Sune Vuorela: > Just FYI. KDE4 hits testing in a few hours. And it definately rocks! I upgraded yesterday. At first I was quite disappointed cause my ThinkPad T42 with Linux kernel 2.6.29.2 and TuxOnIce 3.0.1 crashed hard on every attempt to activate OpenGL compositing. Upgrading xserver-xorg-video- radeon from 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 from Lenny to 1:6.12.2-2 from Sid helped. EXA acceleration still tends to bring the X server into consuming all unused CPU cycles, but with XAA KDE 4.2.2 works stably with Open GL compositing to far. Beside that Kontact had all my valuable personal data. All the applications I tried migrated their configurations nicely. Basket while still a KDE 3 applications works, too. Since I had a stable X.org setup with X.org 7.4, X-Server 1.6.1 and xf86radeon 6.12.2 I remember no crash of any KDE applications. It works quite polished and stable to me. I guess I will find issues with longer use time, but well I know bugs.kde.org and I am pretty confident it will get better and better. So thank you very much to the whole Debian KDE 4 packaging team. And of course to the KDE development team itself. Thank you Debian for waiting this long before replacing KDE 3. I had a glimpse at earlier KDE 4 versions and I think other distributions adopted them to earlier - OTOH you could have installed KDE 3 and 4 in parallel there. I also installed Amarok 2. Now not only my multimedia ThinkPad T23 above my hi-fi equipment but also my production laptop is using KDE 4.2.2. Kaboom did not make complete backup of ~/.kde to ~/kde3-backup tough. Like on my other notebook it showed some errors with files that the rsync that I did manually before upgrading copied just fine. I think I have made a shot of that made with my digital camera. I think this might be worth a bug report. Did anyone else have such problems? Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Info about KDE versions in unstable, testing...
Hello, this is just an idea. What about to put some info about KDE versions in different Debian versions on KDE maintainers website (currently there is no information whether is 4.2.0, 4.2.1, 4.2.2 or 4.2.3 in testing and unstable) and what's more important, some info about when a new version will come, what must be done before say 4.3 beta will be in experimental or 4.2.3 in unstable and so? I mean some information about the process of getting a new version to unstable or experimental and also some information about the current status of the version in unstable - what prevents it from getting to testing. What do you think? Would that be too much additional work for the developers? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
In my case, I started having problems with kdm. I don't know why, but I have to install kde-standard so all the conflicts in aptitude can be resolved. After that, I was delighted with the stability and beauty of my new KDE4 Desktop (I have tried other versions of KDE 4 and all was problems). I had the same problem with Kaboom, It didn't make a full backup of my kde directory and reports problems with some files, but I don't investigate the problem because I supposed (correctly) that the files wasn't important for me. Until now, I only have to problems with KDE4, the first problem was that Kmail show the date of all my mail as "Unknow". Inside the mail, I can see the correct date, but in the folder, not. I solved that problem creating another temporary folder where I moved all my mail, and return back all the mails to the original folder, after that, the date was showed ok. The second problem was with the crash of Yakuake that was solved with the new version of that program that was available in testing yesterday. Finally, I want to thank you very much to the Debian KDE 4 packaging team and to the KDE development team itself for your hard and good work with KDE. On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Am Sonntag 17 Mai 2009 schrieb Sune Vuorela: > > Just FYI. KDE4 hits testing in a few hours. > > And it definately rocks! > > I upgraded yesterday. At first I was quite disappointed cause my ThinkPad > T42 with Linux kernel 2.6.29.2 and TuxOnIce 3.0.1 crashed hard on every > attempt to activate OpenGL compositing. Upgrading xserver-xorg-video- > radeon from 1:6.9.0-1+lenny4 from Lenny to 1:6.12.2-2 from Sid helped. > EXA acceleration still tends to bring the X server into consuming all > unused CPU cycles, but with XAA KDE 4.2.2 works stably with Open GL > compositing to far. > > Beside that Kontact had all my valuable personal data. All the > applications I tried migrated their configurations nicely. Basket while > still a KDE 3 applications works, too. Since I had a stable X.org setup > with X.org 7.4, X-Server 1.6.1 and xf86radeon 6.12.2 I remember no crash > of any KDE applications. It works quite polished and stable to me. I guess > I will find issues with longer use time, but well I know bugs.kde.org and > I > am pretty confident it will get better and better. > > So thank you very much to the whole Debian KDE 4 packaging team. And of > course to the KDE development team itself. Thank you Debian for waiting > this long before replacing KDE 3. I had a glimpse at earlier KDE 4 > versions and I think other distributions adopted them to earlier - OTOH > you could have installed KDE 3 and 4 in parallel there. > > I also installed Amarok 2. Now not only my multimedia ThinkPad T23 above > my hi-fi equipment but also my production laptop is using KDE 4.2.2. > > Kaboom did not make complete backup of ~/.kde to ~/kde3-backup tough. Like > on my other notebook it showed some errors with files that the rsync that I > did manually before upgrading copied just fine. I think I have made a shot > of that made with my digital camera. I think this might be worth a bug > report. Did anyone else have such problems? > > Ciao, > -- > Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de > GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 > -- Un saludo, Daniel Sutil -- Un saludo, Daniel Sutil
Re: Info about KDE versions in unstable, testing...
Hello, On 2009 m. May 21 d., Thursday 13:12:49 Tadeas Moravec wrote: > important, some info about when a new version will come, what must be done > before say 4.3 beta will be in experimental It must be packaged (MUCH (really) work, somewhat low interest recently). > or 4.2.3 in unstable and so? I 4.2.4 is coming in a bit more than a week. 4.2.3 is not much better than 4.2.2 so skipping 4.2.3 does not seem to be a very bad idea. > mean some information about the process of getting a new version to > unstable or experimental and also some information about the current status > of the version in unstable - what prevents it from getting to testing. 4.2.2 is in testing. > What do you think? Would that be too much additional work for the > developers? When you want more info about the process, you just ask here or hang in the respective IRC channels. -- Modestas Vainius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Info about KDE versions in unstable, testing...
On Thursday 21 May 2009, Modestas Vainius wrote: > It must be packaged (MUCH (really) work, somewhat low interest > recently). Yeah, the downside of a large distro trying to support so many platforms, and KDE being pretty mammoth. Everything I've said elsewhere about the quality of the KDE4 suite per se aside, the work that goes into this is known to be huge, and is very much appreciated. > 4.2.4 is coming in a bit more than a week. 4.2.3 is not much better > than 4.2.2 so skipping 4.2.3 does not seem to be a very bad idea. I think the KDE dot releases are meant to be every month, was that right? I think I'd be happy with jumping every second release like that - as much as I'd love to get bug fixes and new (well, recover the 3.5) features as fast as possible. Do you expect that a two monthly, or every second dot release, is about the pace that will be settled on? Jedd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
Am Donnerstag 21 Mai 2009 schrieb Daniel Sutil: > In my case, I started having problems with kdm. I don't know why, but I > have to install kde-standard so all the conflicts in aptitude can be > resolved. After that, I was delighted with the stability and beauty of > my new KDE4 Desktop (I have tried other versions of KDE 4 and all was > problems). I just installed kde-full ;-). > I had the same problem with Kaboom, It didn't make a full backup of my > kde directory and reports problems with some files, but I don't > investigate the problem because I supposed (correctly) that the files > wasn't important for me. Well I have no issue with that cause I did a rsync beforehand and have a fcron job which does a rdiff-backup every 12 hours anyway. > Until now, I only have to problems with KDE4, the first problem was > that Kmail show the date of all my mail as "Unknow". Inside the mail, I > can see the correct date, but in the folder, not. I solved that problem > creating another temporary folder where I moved all my mail, and return > back all the mails to the original folder, after that, the date was > showed ok. Hmmm, I do see this too with the inbox for local mail that Postfix delivers. Each mail data appears after I click on the mail which triggers immediate sorting into the correct date group. The POP3 account folders appear to be fine - luckily, cause I have more than 50 folders. I will consider moving mails around to fix the date information in the folder list - just as you did. Rebuilding the index did not help. Maybe that should be reported upstream as well if not already done. But it might be better to wait for KDE 4.2.4 and see whether it might be fixed. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Info about KDE versions in unstable, testing...
Hello, thank for the reply. I probably didn't express myself correctly. I wasn't inquiring about the actual versions nor about what's preventing new from getting to Debian at the moment, but I suggest putting this info on the web. Yes, we can ask here or on IRC, but there's probably a lot of people who don't use IRC nor write to this mailing list - who would like to know too. Moreover personally I'm eager to get 4.2.3 to unstable because of some fixes - but I really don't want to bother others on IRC or here every day inquiring about what's holding 4.2.3 from unstable, so it would be great if this updated info was on the web. I agree about the point of 4.2.4 - but if this was already settled on, why don't we write it somewhere everybody can read it? I imagine it like this. There will be a message - in the FAQ section for example or on the main page on http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ in which something like this will be: "We are currently working on getting XYZ version to get into unstable. It's almost ready, we are just waiting for package ABC to be packaged and bug DEF to be solved. It will probably happen tomorrow in the evening, so you can look forward to having KDE version XYZ in unstable the day after tomorrow or the day after that. The current version BLAH in unstable is waiting for bugs 1,2,3,4 and 5 to be solved. One of them is solved in experimental and more two are solved upstream, so we need just to get these fixes to unstable first. After this will happen, version BLAH will migrate to testing." # > Původní zpráva # > Od: Modestas Vainius # > Předmět: Re: Info about KDE versions in unstable, testing... # > Datum: 21.5.2009 12:31:09 # > # > Hello, # > # > On 2009 m. May 21 d., Thursday 13:12:49 Tadeas Moravec wrote: # > > important, some info about when a new version will come, what must be done # > > before say 4.3 beta will be in experimental # > It must be packaged (MUCH (really) work, somewhat low interest recently). # > # > > or 4.2.3 in unstable and so? I # > 4.2.4 is coming in a bit more than a week. 4.2.3 is not much better than 4.2.2 # # > so skipping 4.2.3 does not seem to be a very bad idea. # > # > > mean some information about the process of getting a new version to # > > unstable or experimental and also some information about the current status # > > of the version in unstable - what prevents it from getting to testing. # > 4.2.2 is in testing. # > # > > What do you think? Would that be too much additional work for the # > > developers? # > When you want more info about the process, you just ask here or hang in the # > respective IRC channels. # > # > -- # > Modestas Vainius # > # > # > # -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Lenny with KDE 3.5.10 on 256MB memory
On Tue, 2009-05-19 at 09:53 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote: > This is, I know, below the recommended amount of RAM (512MB), but comfortably > above the minimum. > > Has anyone any experience of how well or badly this actually runs? > > TIA > Lisi > I run a Lenny machine with 256MB in an office environment. I use it as a daily work machine, low use server (smb, http, ssh, xrdp [rdesktop]), and network monitor. KDE is my desktop environment, and runs absolutely fine. This machine is also joined to the windows domain using Likewise. Oh, and this is all while running (24/7) a qemu based vm of freenas configured to use 96MB. Back when this machine was still an etch install, it had 512MB, but we had to take out one stick to put it in my other system, an XP box with "only" 256MB at the time. It still runs slower than the Debian box. :) PaulNM
Re: SQUEEZE - KDE4 - kdm doesn't start session, gdm does
Hi, following my kdm login problem I have found that gdm has a group and a user on my system, but not kdm. Isn't kdm supposed to have one too ? Tom -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
I've spent the last few days tinkering with KDE4. It's bad. But not so bad as to make me drop kde. So I'll just stick and hope they'll restore the functionality I lost. Which can only be realized to a certain extent: for example, as bad as it is, qdbus will never become dcop... On the other hand I like plasma, but it really can't make up for the crippling of konqueror and konsole. -- Lancelot du Lac http://www.contrees-du-reve.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
On Wednesday 20 May 2009 16:22:34 Mike Bird wrote: > We can no longer run Testing anywhere. Eventually I expect we'll run > into video driver problems on new hardware but thus far we've been OK > with Lenny. Hopefully by then XFCE will be fully usable. It is well on the way. Nowhere near as nice as KDE3.5, of course, but it has a huge head start on KDE4. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
Am Donnerstag 21 Mai 2009 schrieb Daniel Sutil: > In my case, I started having problems with kdm. I don't know why, but > I have to install kde-standard so all the conflicts in aptitude can > be resolved. After that, I was delighted with the stability and > beauty of my new KDE4 Desktop (I have tried other versions of KDE 4 > and all was problems). Yes, I guess that I also have not installed a kde-meta package. KDM has not started either. I guess that for squeeze as stable there should be at least installed kde-minimal or so as a dependency of some core kde lib so that this problem does not happen. Martin -- http://www.bretschneidernet.de/OpenPGP-key: 0x4EA52583 (o__ (O_ Ernest Hemingway: //\' //\I like to listen. I have learned a great deal V_/_ V_/_from listening carefully. Most people never listen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
On Thursday 21. May 2009 23:38:17 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 20 May 2009 16:22:34 Mike Bird wrote: Hi, > > We can no longer run Testing anywhere. Eventually I expect we'll run > > into video driver problems on new hardware but thus far we've been OK > > with Lenny. > > Hopefully by then XFCE will be fully usable. It is well on the way. Nowhere > near as nice as KDE3.5, of course, but it has a huge head start on KDE4. From the day development versions of KDE 4 compiled, there were users complaining. Many of them tried to talk to the developers about what could be improved, many wrote bug reports, some even started contributing, adopted unmaintained software and some wrote rants about the way KDE 4 sucked in. All that is helpful in its own way. But there were also those who just told everyone that they will be switching to GNOME, XFCE, OS X, Vista, XP, Console, Abacus, whatever. I never understood the intention of the latter ones. It helps noone. That's what Twitter is for. I am only subscribed here for a few days but these days felt like planet.k.o or kde-de...@k.o about a year ago. If that is the usual chant here, then I apologize for disturbing the routine. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: KDE4 hits testing in a few hours
* Lancelot du Lac [2009 May 21 14:05 -0500]: > On the other hand I like plasma, but it really can't make up for the > crippling of konqueror and konsole. I hear ya. I've made some noise on a bug report about the lack of the PC style beep in Konsole. One response was on the order of adding an option for it would confuse users. I hope the goal of KDE is not to emulate GNOME so closely that features are being dropped. The beep may come back as it appears that the enable system notifications option that enables the beep is broken in 4.2.2 but a fix has been applied if I read things right. Perhaps this will be corrected in 4.2.4. While I like aspects of KDE4 I plan to keep 3.5 on my main desktop for some time. - Nate >> -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
