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[bts-link] source package kde-runtime

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# remote status report for #677625 (http://bugs.debian.org/677625)
# Bug title: kde-runtime: nepomuk spams .xsession-errors with FIXME debug 
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#  * http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=300323
#  * remote status changed: (?) - RESOLVED
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[bts-link] source package kdesdk

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[bts-link] source package kdepim

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# remote status report for #529227 (http://bugs.debian.org/529227)
# Bug title: akregator: Fails to properly select next item after deleting an 
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Bug#681386: RM: kdeutils -- ROM; replaced by split sources

2012-07-12 Thread Pino Toscano
Package: ftp.debian.org
Severity: normal

Hi,

the monolithic kdeutils module has been split by upstream since
KDE SC 4.8 in few smaller sources; the set of the KDE SC sources
replacing kdeutils is:
  ark, filelight, kcalc, kcharselect, kdf, kfloppy, kgpg, kremotecontrol,
  ktimer, kwallet, superkaramba, printer-applet, sweeper
The only loss package is kdeutils-dbg, but that is expected of course.

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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Andrej Kacian
On Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:41:43 +0200
Valerio Passini  valerio.pass...@unicam.it wrote:

 KDE 3 was very good, but leave it in its era, without fancy desktops,
 social networks, streaming media services, huge data collections,
 and  clouds.

Mmm, this statement makes me want to start using KDE3 again. :) But in
all fairness, it is perfectly possible to use KDE4 without all the
social, semantic, and/or cloudy crap that's being pushed to Linux
desktop in recent years. It just takes bit of tweaking.

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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Alex DEKKER
On Thursday 12 Jul 2012 08:44:47 Andrej Kacian wrote:
  it is perfectly possible to use KDE4 without all the
 social, semantic, and/or cloudy crap that's being pushed to Linux
 desktop in recent years. It just takes bit of tweaking.

That's prety much how I use KDE4.

alexd


Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello,

On 2012 m. of July 12 d., Thursday 00:10:57 Bruce Sass wrote:
 On July 9, 2012 01:54:05 PM hrvojes wrote:
  On Monday 09 of July 2012 15:48:01 john Culleton wrote:
   BTW KDE has gone down hill of late. It gets as many complaints as
   Vista it seems. My solution is simple. I use Trinity which is a
   clone of KDE 3.5. Try it, you might like it (or not.)
  
  Yes, the obvious solution is moving to obsoleted DE.
 
 I think you mean, STABLE, not obsoleted... Trinity is actively being
 developed (albeit slowly), and is a sane, somewhat lighter weight[1],
 alternative to the resource hungry bleeding edge which is KDE 4, for those
 who want a KDE experience without all the blood.

Trinity discussion is completely irrelevant for debian-kde mailing list 
because:

1) Trinity is not in Debian.
2) Trinity is not and has never been KDE despite its origins

So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is crap, Trinity 
rulez.


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Bruce Sass
On July 12, 2012 06:40:28 AM Modestas Vainius wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On 2012 m. of July 12 d., Thursday 00:10:57 Bruce Sass wrote:
  On July 9, 2012 01:54:05 PM hrvojes wrote:
   On Monday 09 of July 2012 15:48:01 john Culleton wrote:
BTW KDE has gone down hill of late. It gets as many complaints as
Vista it seems. My solution is simple. I use Trinity which is a
clone of KDE 3.5. Try it, you might like it (or not.)
   
   Yes, the obvious solution is moving to obsoleted DE.
  
  I think you mean, STABLE, not obsoleted... Trinity is actively being
  developed (albeit slowly), and is a sane, somewhat lighter weight[1],
  alternative to the resource hungry bleeding edge which is KDE 4, for
  those who want a KDE experience without all the blood.
 
 Trinity discussion is completely irrelevant for debian-kde mailing list
 because:
 
 1) Trinity is not in Debian.

True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems which 
makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some random piece of 
source out there.

 2) Trinity is not and has never been KDE despite its origins

Despite its orgins as a continuation of the KDE-3.5 codebase, eh. ;)

 So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is crap,
 Trinity rulez.

Nowhere is a good place for: KDE is crap, Trinity rulez!

However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed 
alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place within 
Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive to bring it up--
this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4 resides, and this is the 
place with the most potential for finding interested users.

- Bruce


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Modestas Vainius
Hello,

On Thursday 12 July 2012 13:55:17 Bruce Sass wrote:
  1) Trinity is not in Debian.
 
 True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems which
 makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some random piece
 of source out there.

FIY, nobody stepped up to take over maintainance of Qt 3 in Debian. So you can 
basically forget about KDE 3.5 at this point.

  2) Trinity is not and has never been KDE despite its origins
 
 Despite its orgins as a continuation of the KDE-3.5 codebase, eh. ;)

Everything about KDE 3.5 is long dead. No matter how good or bad it was, its 
base system (Qt 3) is not supported anymore.

 
  So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is crap,
  Trinity rulez.
 
 Nowhere is a good place for: KDE is crap, Trinity rulez!
 
 However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed
 alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place within
 Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive to bring it
 up--

We had this discussion before. It ended up in trolling and left a bad taste 
for everyone involved.

 this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4 resides, and this
 is the place with the most potential for finding interested users.

If anyone wanted to bring trinity to Debian, (s)he would have already done it. 
But every maintainer understands that it is impossible to provide good 
packages for outdated and basically abondoned software.

All you do is encourage people to install random packages of bad quality. 
Eventually users will face problems and/or break systems, many have already 
broke.


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Pino Toscano
Hi,

Alle giovedì 12 luglio 2012, Bruce Sass ha scritto:
  1) Trinity is not in Debian.
 
 True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems
 which makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some
 random piece of source out there.

Not really; consider for example that qt3 has been removed recently from 
Debian (so squeeze is the last stable release with qt3), so any kind of 
reintrouction of it into the archive will not be that welcome.

  So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is
  crap, Trinity rulez.
 
 Nowhere is a good place for: KDE is crap, Trinity rulez!
 
 However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed
 alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place
 within Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive
 to bring it up-- this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4
 resides, and this is the place with the most potential for finding
 interested users.

No, debian-kde is definitely *not* the place for advertising Trinity in 
any form, nor for finding your users.

Please bring Trinity away from this list, thank you.

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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Bruce Sass
On July 12, 2012 02:10:33 PM Modestas Vainius wrote:
 Hello,
 
 On Thursday 12 July 2012 13:55:17 Bruce Sass wrote:
   1) Trinity is not in Debian.
  
  True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems
  which makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some
  random piece of source out there.
 
 FIY, nobody stepped up to take over maintainance of Qt 3 in Debian. So you
 can basically forget about KDE 3.5 at this point.
 
   2) Trinity is not and has never been KDE despite its origins
  
  Despite its orgins as a continuation of the KDE-3.5 codebase, eh. ;)
 
 Everything about KDE 3.5 is long dead. No matter how good or bad it was,
 its base system (Qt 3) is not supported anymore.

Trinity uses the KDE3.5 code and maintain Qt3 themselves, so it is not long 
dead nor unsupported.

   So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is crap,
   Trinity rulez.
  
  Nowhere is a good place for: KDE is crap, Trinity rulez!
  
  However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed
  alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place
  within Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive to
  bring it up--
 
 We had this discussion before. It ended up in trolling and left a bad
 taste for everyone involved.

That is unfortunate. :(

  this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4 resides, and this
  is the place with the most potential for finding interested users.
 
 If anyone wanted to bring trinity to Debian, (s)he would have already done
 it. But every maintainer understands that it is impossible to provide good
 packages for outdated and basically abondoned software.

It may be outdated from the perspective of KDE, but if people are working on 
it and maintaining its core then it is not abandoned.

 All you do is encourage people to install random packages of bad quality.
 Eventually users will face problems and/or break systems, many have already
 broke.

random packages of bad quality... we must be talking about two different 
things... I am only considering Trinity--KDE-3.5, bits of KDE-4, and the 
toolkit it is built upon--not arbitrary packages which depend on Qt3.

- Bruce


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Diederik de Haas
Bruce Sass bms...@shaw.ca wrote:

Bla bla bla

Seriously ???


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Bruce Sass
On July 12, 2012 03:37:38 PM Diederik de Haas wrote:
 Bruce Sass bms...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 Bla bla bla
 
 Seriously ???

Yup


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Bruce Sass
On July 12, 2012 02:13:20 PM Pino Toscano wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Alle giovedì 12 luglio 2012, Bruce Sass ha scritto:
   1) Trinity is not in Debian.
  
  True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems
  which makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some
  random piece of source out there.
 
 Not really; consider for example that qt3 has been removed recently from
 Debian (so squeeze is the last stable release with qt3), so any kind of
 reintrouction of it into the archive will not be that welcome.

That's a good thing... nobody should want old and unmaintained Qt3 apps in the 
archive. However, it may open the door a little more for the introduction of 
Trinity since there is now no pressure to accommodate arbitrary Qt3 based 
apps.

   So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is
   crap, Trinity rulez.
  
  Nowhere is a good place for: KDE is crap, Trinity rulez!
  
  However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed
  alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place
  within Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive
  to bring it up-- this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4
  resides, and this is the place with the most potential for finding
  interested users.
 
 No, debian-kde is definitely *not* the place for advertising Trinity in
 any form, nor for finding your users.
 
 Please bring Trinity away from this list, thank you.

Sure... all I wanted to do was correct some BS about Trinity being an obsolete 
clone of KDE-3.5.

- Bruce


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Re: Trinity

2012-07-12 Thread Peter Dahlberg
On Thursday 12 July 2012 23:22:04 Bruce Sass wrote:
 On July 12, 2012 02:10:33 PM Modestas Vainius wrote:
  Hello,
  
  On Thursday 12 July 2012 13:55:17 Bruce Sass wrote:
1) Trinity is not in Debian.
   
   True, but it has been packaged for Stable and Oldstable based systems
   which makes it more likely to eventually appear in Debian than some
   random piece of source out there.
  
  FIY, nobody stepped up to take over maintainance of Qt 3 in Debian. So
  you can basically forget about KDE 3.5 at this point.
  
2) Trinity is not and has never been KDE despite its origins
   
   Despite its orgins as a continuation of the KDE-3.5 codebase, eh. ;)
  
  Everything about KDE 3.5 is long dead. No matter how good or bad it was,
  its base system (Qt 3) is not supported anymore.
 
 Trinity uses the KDE3.5 code and maintain Qt3 themselves, so it is not long
 dead nor unsupported.

Oh yes a handful of people are able to maintain 2 large projects with tons of 
code. Sure...

 
So unless any of above changes, this is not a place for KDE is crap,
Trinity rulez.
   
   Nowhere is a good place for: KDE is crap, Trinity rulez!
   
   However, given Trinity's origins (as KDE-3.5) and goals (be installed
   alongside and work with KDE-4 and apps), debian-kde is the best place
   within Debian for someone looking at introducing it into the archive to
   bring it up--
  
  We had this discussion before. It ended up in trolling and left a bad
  taste for everyone involved.
 
 That is unfortunate. :(
 
   this is where the DD/DM expertise wrt KDE-3.5 and 4 resides, and this
   is the place with the most potential for finding interested users.
  
  If anyone wanted to bring trinity to Debian, (s)he would have already
  done it. But every maintainer understands that it is impossible to
  provide good packages for outdated and basically abondoned software.
 
 It may be outdated from the perspective of KDE, but if people are working
 on it and maintaining its core then it is not abandoned.
 
  All you do is encourage people to install random packages of bad quality.
  Eventually users will face problems and/or break systems, many have
  already broke.
 
 random packages of bad quality... we must be talking about two different
 things... I am only considering Trinity--KDE-3.5, bits of KDE-4, and the
 toolkit it is built upon--not arbitrary packages which depend on Qt3.
 
 - Bruce

Martin Gräßlin recently wrote a nice blog entry about Trinity and its 
problems:
http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2012/02/having-a-look-at-the-oldnew-
desktop-environments/

-- Peter


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