Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
Am Mittwoch 13 Mai 2015, 08:35:00 schrieb Alejandro Exojo: > El Tuesday 12 May 2015, Jimmy Johnson escribió: > > Christian this is what I get after running the upgrade: > (...) > > > I was a little concerned with ruby being removed so I did not > > complete the upgrade. > > I think that you are missing the point. Christian's concern > wasn't how to do the installation, or if something might not > be 100% smooth. The point is that this is random software > found on the web, and if you install it without even knowing > the nickname of the person who did the packaging, you are > doing a huge leap of faith. You are installing plenty of > untrusted programs. Plus running maintainer scripts with root > permissions. Exactly. And this is why Alejandro advised to read the sources in order to ensure nobody messed with them. (To be really sure, one would still need to build the binary packages from the audited sources on a trusted machine - it is all about trust here.) Anyway, thanks again, guys. I guess I will not be doing that huge leap of faith, this time. :) Regards, Christian -- kernel concepts GmbH Tel: +49-271-771091-11 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48 D-57072 Siegen http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
El Tuesday 12 May 2015, Jimmy Johnson escribió: > Christian this is what I get after running the upgrade: (...) > I was a little concerned with ruby being removed so I did not complete > the upgrade. I think that you are missing the point. Christian's concern wasn't how to do the installation, or if something might not be 100% smooth. The point is that this is random software found on the web, and if you install it without even knowing the nickname of the person who did the packaging, you are doing a huge leap of faith. You are installing plenty of untrusted programs. Plus running maintainer scripts with root permissions. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201505130835.00730@badopi.org
Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
Hi Jimmy, Am Dienstag 12 Mai 2015, 07:53:12 schrieb Jimmy Johnson: > [...] > Christian this is what I get after running the upgrade: > jimmy# upgrade-system > 1) Updating package lists: > I: Package lists updated. > 2) Checking for upgradable packages: > I: Installing upgradable packages... > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Calculating upgrade... The following packages were > automatically installed and are no longer required: > [...] > plasma-scriptengine-ruby ruby-kde4 ruby-plasma ruby-qt4 >ruby-qt4-webkit > Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. > Done > The following packages will be REMOVED: >libmarblewidget19* libnepomuk4* libnepomukquery4a* > libnepomukutils4* The following NEW packages will be > installed: >baloo-utils baloo4 libakonadi-socialutils4 libatasmart-bin > [...] > 191 upgraded, 12 newly installed, 4 to remove and 0 not > upgraded. Need to get 249 MB of archives. > After this operation, 14.4 MB of additional disk space will be > used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] > > I was a little concerned with ruby being removed so I did not > complete the upgrade. Check the output of APT closely, it reveals what will actually happen: There's "The following packages will be REMOVED" section, which lists packages which will indeed be removed if you choose to continue the upgrade. Then, there's "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required", which lists packages to which, after the upgrade, no dependencies could be found. Under this category, some Ruby packages are listed. They will not be automatically removed. APT tells you how to get rid of them, if you choose to. Moreover, it is not Ruby itself, but some KDE packages with ruby stuff. These are no longer needed after the upgrade, either since the newer KDE does not make use of Ruby any more, or since there's some optional support for some stuff in KDE which needs Ruby, but which the package creator did not switch on. HTH, Christian -- kernel concepts GmbH Tel: +49-271-771091-11 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48 D-57072 Siegen http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
On 05/12/2015 07:34 AM, Christian Hilberg wrote: Hi Jimmy, Am Dienstag 12 Mai 2015, 07:02:04 schrieb Jimmy Johnson: On 05/12/2015 02:02 AM, Christian Hilberg wrote: Hi all, seeking for a less-painful-than-self-compile way to get KDEPIM 4.14.7 into Debian/Jessie (for much the same reasons as pointed out by the OP), I stumbled across http://kdebian.org/ppa/ Christian, this may help you: "KDE updated in Debian, here's how. In this guide we will see how to have KDE in Debian constantly updated thanks to third-party repositories KDEbian." http://media-opensource.blogspot.com/2014/09/kde-updated-in-deb ian-heres-how.html Thanks for the hint. This is one of the above-mentioned blogs linking to http://kdebian.org/. I'm still somewhat reluctant to use this repo, for no other reason than the creator of the PPA hiding. Undoubtedly, there may be good reasons to do so. But it gives me a hard time trusting in it. Sure, I can always read the sources, as has been suggested in another reply. :-) I did not do that for the packages I've got from Debian, because the fact that they do not even try to hide who they are makes me feel I can trust them. This is not the case for http://kdebian.org/. However, thanks dear Debian folks, thanks dear Debian community. You're great. Christian this is what I get after running the upgrade: jimmy# upgrade-system 1) Updating package lists: I: Package lists updated. 2) Checking for upgradable packages: I: Installing upgradable packages... Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libkactivities-models1 libnepomukcore4 libokularcore5 libparted-fs-resize0 libqtruby4shared2 libsmokekdecore4-3 libsmokekdeui4-3 libsmokekfile3 libsmokekhtml3 libsmokekio3 libsmokeknewstuff2-3 libsmokeknewstuff3-3 libsmokekparts3 libsmokektexteditor3 libsmokekutils3 libsmokeplasma3 libsmokeqtopengl4-3 nepomuk-core-data plasma-scriptengine-ruby ruby-kde4 ruby-plasma ruby-qt4 ruby-qt4-webkit Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. Done The following packages will be REMOVED: libmarblewidget19* libnepomuk4* libnepomukquery4a* libnepomukutils4* The following NEW packages will be installed: baloo-utils baloo4 libakonadi-socialutils4 libatasmart-bin libjs-underscore libkfbapi1 libmarblewidget20 libmygpo-qt1 libnatspec0 libokularcore6 libqtcurve-utils1 libqzeitgeist1 The following packages will be upgraded: akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server amarok amarok-common amarok-utils ark dolphin freespacenotifier gtk2-engines-qtcurve gwenview kate-data katepart kcalc kde-base-artwork kde-baseapps kde-baseapps-bin kde-baseapps-data kde-plasma-desktop kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kde-style-oxygen kde-style-qtcurve kde-wallpapers kde-wallpapers-default kde-window-manager kde-workspace kde-workspace-bin kde-workspace-data kde-workspace-kgreet-plugins kde-workspace-randr kdegames-card-data kdelibs-bin kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdepasswd kdepim-runtime kdepimlibs-kio-plugins kdf kdm kdoctools kfind kget khelpcenter4 kinfocenter kio-audiocd klipper kmenuedit kmix konq-plugins konqueror konqueror-nsplugins konsole konversation konversation-data kpartsplugin kpat ksysguard ksysguardd ksystemlog ktorrent ktorrent-data kwin-style-crystal kwin-style-qtcurve kwrite libakonadi-calendar4 libakonadi-contact4 libakonadi-kabc4 libakonadi-kcal4 libakonadi-kde4 libakonadi-kmime4 libakonadi-notes4 libakonadiprotocolinternals1 libastro1 libbaloocore4 libbaloofiles4 libbalooqueryparser4 libbaloowidgets4 libbalooxapian4 libdbusmenu-qt2 libgpgme++2 libkabc4 libkactivities-bin libkactivities6 libkalarmcal2 libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcal4 libkcalcore4 libkcalutils4 libkcddb4 libkcmutils4 libkcompactdisc4 libkdcraw-data libkdcraw23 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecorations4abi2 libkdecore5 libkdegames6abi1 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkephal4abi1 libkexiv2-11 libkexiv2-data libkfile4 libkfilemetadata4 libkholidays4 libkhtml5 libkidletime4 libkimap4 libkio5 libkipi-data libkipi11 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkldap4 libkmbox4 libkmediaplayer4 libkmime4 libknewstuff2-4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkonq-common libkonq5-templates libkonq5abi1 libkonqsidebarplugin4a libkparts4 libkpimidentities4 libkpimtextedit4 libkpimutils4 libkprintutils4 libkpty4 libkresources4 libkrosscore4 libkscreensaver5 libksgrd4 libksignalplotter4 libktexteditor4 libkunitconversion4 libkutils4 libkwineffects1abi5 libkwinglesutils1 libkwinglutils1abi2 libkworkspace4abi2 libkxmlrpcclient4 libmailtransport4 libmicroblog4 libphonon4 libplasma-geolocation-interface4 libplasma3 libplasmaclock4abi4 libplasmagenericshell4 libpolkit-qt-1-1 libprocesscore4abi1 libprocessui4a libqca2 libqgpgme1 libqmobipocket1 libsolid4 libsyndication4 libtaskmanager4abi4 libth
Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
Hi Jimmy, Am Dienstag 12 Mai 2015, 07:02:04 schrieb Jimmy Johnson: > On 05/12/2015 02:02 AM, Christian Hilberg wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > seeking for a less-painful-than-self-compile way to get > > KDEPIM > > 4.14.7 into Debian/Jessie (for much the same reasons as > > pointed out by the OP), I stumbled across > > > > http://kdebian.org/ppa/ > > > > While this repo seems to have all of the packages I'm after, > > I do not really know to make heads or tails of it. > > > > There site does not mention any maintainer. The owner of the > > domain hides behind some privacy service. There seems to be > > some connection to a live.ru account, but that does not > > necessarily mean anything. > > > > Other than being referred to from some blog posts, I did not > > find any information as to whether or not this PPA can be > > trusted. I for one do *not* trust, because of missing > > information about who's behind that PPA, but maybe there is > > some info about this site I missed? > > > > Anyway, the DSC files from that repo might be worth a look > > when trying to set up some trustworthy alternative to it, > > which would surely be of a great relief to Debian/Jessie > > KDEPIM users. > Christian, this may help you: > "KDE updated in Debian, here's how. In this guide we will see > how to have KDE in Debian constantly updated thanks to > third-party repositories KDEbian." > http://media-opensource.blogspot.com/2014/09/kde-updated-in-deb > ian-heres-how.html Thanks for the hint. This is one of the above-mentioned blogs linking to http://kdebian.org/. I'm still somewhat reluctant to use this repo, for no other reason than the creator of the PPA hiding. Undoubtedly, there may be good reasons to do so. But it gives me a hard time trusting in it. Sure, I can always read the sources, as has been suggested in another reply. :-) I did not do that for the packages I've got from Debian, because the fact that they do not even try to hide who they are makes me feel I can trust them. This is not the case for http://kdebian.org/. However, thanks dear Debian folks, thanks dear Debian community. You're great. Christian -- kernel concepts GmbH Tel: +49-271-771091-11 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48 D-57072 Siegen http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
On 05/12/2015 02:02 AM, Christian Hilberg wrote: Hi all, seeking for a less-painful-than-self-compile way to get KDEPIM 4.14.7 into Debian/Jessie (for much the same reasons as pointed out by the OP), I stumbled across http://kdebian.org/ppa/ While this repo seems to have all of the packages I'm after, I do not really know to make heads or tails of it. There site does not mention any maintainer. The owner of the domain hides behind some privacy service. There seems to be some connection to a live.ru account, but that does not necessarily mean anything. Other than being referred to from some blog posts, I did not find any information as to whether or not this PPA can be trusted. I for one do *not* trust, because of missing information about who's behind that PPA, but maybe there is some info about this site I missed? Anyway, the DSC files from that repo might be worth a look when trying to set up some trustworthy alternative to it, which would surely be of a great relief to Debian/Jessie KDEPIM users. Christian, this may help you: "KDE updated in Debian, here's how. In this guide we will see how to have KDE in Debian constantly updated thanks to third-party repositories KDEbian." http://media-opensource.blogspot.com/2014/09/kde-updated-in-debian-heres-how.html -- Jimmy Johnson Debian Sid - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD64 - EXT4 at sda14 Registered Linux User #380263 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/555207dc.9000...@gmail.com
Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
El Tuesday 12 May 2015, Christian Hilberg escribió: > Hi all, > > seeking for a less-painful-than-self-compile way to get KDEPIM > 4.14.7 into Debian/Jessie (for much the same reasons as pointed > out by the OP), I stumbled across > > http://kdebian.org/ppa/ > > While this repo seems to have all of the packages I'm after, I do > not really know to make heads or tails of it. > > There site does not mention any maintainer. The owner of the > domain hides behind some privacy service. There seems to be some > connection to a live.ru account, but that does not necessarily > mean anything. Opened the akonadi package (first one alphabetically), and the author of the latest changelog entry is Nikolay Romanov > Other than being referred to from some blog posts, I did not find > any information as to whether or not this PPA can be trusted. I > for one do *not* trust, because of missing information about > who's behind that PPA, but maybe there is some info about this > site I missed? The sources. :) > Anyway, the DSC files from that repo might be worth a look when > trying to set up some trustworthy alternative to it, which would > surely be of a great relief to Debian/Jessie KDEPIM users. I haven't inspected all of them, just akonadi. But for it, there are sources (and I haven't inspected que quality). That doesn't mean the work done for those packages can be reused. Making a quick and dirty package for yourself can be done in minutes if for your use case some things are irrelevant. But that is not normally the case of official packages. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201505121514.20963@badopi.org
Re: Re: Newer KDEPIM for Jessie
Hi all, seeking for a less-painful-than-self-compile way to get KDEPIM 4.14.7 into Debian/Jessie (for much the same reasons as pointed out by the OP), I stumbled across http://kdebian.org/ppa/ While this repo seems to have all of the packages I'm after, I do not really know to make heads or tails of it. There site does not mention any maintainer. The owner of the domain hides behind some privacy service. There seems to be some connection to a live.ru account, but that does not necessarily mean anything. Other than being referred to from some blog posts, I did not find any information as to whether or not this PPA can be trusted. I for one do *not* trust, because of missing information about who's behind that PPA, but maybe there is some info about this site I missed? Anyway, the DSC files from that repo might be worth a look when trying to set up some trustworthy alternative to it, which would surely be of a great relief to Debian/Jessie KDEPIM users. Kind regards, Christian -- kernel concepts GmbH Tel: +49-271-771091-11 Sieghuetter Hauptweg 48 D-57072 Siegen http://www.kernelconcepts.de/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
