Re: KDE3.2.1 X resolution
Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: After upgrading to kde 3.2.1 my x resolution has gone from 100x100 to 75x75 dpi. I saw this happen yesterday, quite some time after I had upgraded KDE to 3.2.1, so I don't think that's what does it. I looked in /var/log/XFree86.log and saw an error relating to reading VESA information from the video card. This caused it to default to 75 dpi instead of 100, resulting in very small fonts. So I restarted the X server and the error was not repeated. Everything seems happy now. So my guess is that this is a small, intermittent glitch in XFree86 4.3. Craig
Re: udev HOWTO?
Paul Johnson wrote: Is there some sort of HOWTO for udev anyplace? Any good resources for people interested in udev that might have some Debian hints? I'm curious about it, but I'm not sure if udev is right for me (and it's not something I can ask a doctor about). In theory, I think the HOWTO for udev on Debian (unstable) is basically just apt-get install udev. I have not dared to try it, however, as there were, last time I looked (a week or two back), some outstanding bug reports from people saying that udev made their system unusable due to its failure to create some essential device (e.g. /dev/console). Craig
Re: Konqueror, UTF-8
Børre Gaup wrote: It displays just fine in my cvs konqueror (from orth's packages). Do you use automatic encoding detection? It turned out that Privoxy was messing up UTF-8 encoded pages. There is an open bug against Privoxy about this. When I don't go through the proxy, the problem mostly goes away. There are still a few less common characters, such as the Greek heavy-breath mark, that render correctly in Mozilla Firebird but not in Konqueror, but that's a relatively minor issue. Thanks, Craig
Re: Konqueror, UTF-8
Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: You may want to put a screenshot online somewhere - konqueror 3.1.1-1 with lucida as default font seems to display the greek name just fine. Also, the greek debian.org homepage seems to display fine. The Debian Greek page looks fine to me too, but it's not encoded in UTF-8; it's in ISO-8859-7. It seems like an encoding problem, not a font problem. Another thing that might serve as a hint to the enlightened: if you copy-paste from the konqueror window to some other unicode-enabled window (kwrite? Mozilla mail composer?) do these chars appesr? Cut-and-paste from Konqueror to KWrite gives the same messed-up Greek that Konqueror itself shows. Cut-and-paste from Mozilla Firebird gives the correct Greek. Saving the resulting file as UTF-8 and hexdumping shows that the messed-up part is encoded as a UTF-8 invalid character code: : 46 72 2E 20 EF BF BD CE BB CE B7 CE B8 CE AD EF Fr. 0010: BF BD 2E 2E CF 89 0A 46 72 2E 20 CE 91 CE BB CE ...Fr. . 0020: B7 CE B8 CE AD CF 85 CF 89 0A .. The first line (up to the newline at offset 0x16) is from Konqueror; the rest is from Firebird. The UTF-8 sequence EF BF BD, if I recall correctly, means invalid character (Unicode code point 0xFFFD). So this suggests that either Konqueror is mangling the page's text, or the server is sending it something different than it's sending to Firebird. Which I suppose is possible, based on request headers or something. I've tried using Konqueror's lie about browser identity feature to pretend to be Mozilla or IE, but it makes no difference. Thanks, Craig pgpTFoBJNgv3g.pgp Description: PGP signature
Konqueror, UTF-8
I find that Konqueror (3.1.2-1.1, current Debian unstable) does not cope with UTF-8 web sites very well; it displays some characters well, and others not, even when Mozilla Firebird on the same machine (in the same KDE session, using the same fonts) can display them all correctly. An example of such a site can be found here: http://aletheuo.ath.cx On my system, if I bring this page up in Konqueror and Firebird side by side, Firebird gets the Greek characters right, and Konqueror trashes some of them. I can also see the Greek correctly on Windows XP with either Mozilla 1.4 or IE 6. Changing locales seems to have no effect; I have tried both en_US and en_US.UTF-8 (the latter of which is my usual locale). I don't see any outstanding bugs related to this. If no one knows of a configuration change that would fix this, I can file a bug. Craig pgpKOGPwIEUGn.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Odd pauses with KDE 3
James Michael Greenhalgh wrote: On April 30, 2003 01:29 pm, Craig Dickson wrote: Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this, or suggestions for things I should check? This problem does not occur under Gnome 2 or in other non-KDE environments, even on the same machine. Try running fc-cache as root. This has been known to cause slow downs if your fontconfig cache is out of date. Also check your version of libstdc++5 , if it's pre6, there are known recent errors and you may have to revert to pre5 or wait for your mirror to get pre7 (which should be within 24 hours) Thanks, but these are not my problems. Running fc-cache can fix up a long delay when kdm is starting up, but I'm talking about a delay that occurs while KDE is up, both when new Konqueror processes (specifically Konqueror, nothing else) are started, and when the KDE save file dialog is being manipulated (and come to think of it, this was in Konqueror -- I was saving a web page -- so maybe this whole problem is only in Konqueror). The libstdc++5 problem caused C++ programs to fail to start entirely, not to pause strangely while they were running. In any case, I had downgraded to -pre5 within minutes of -pre6 being installed, as -pre6 was obviously causing problems. I'm now on -pre7, which seems to work. I have the feeling that this problem is ultimately some sort of odd locking problem. It might be in Konqueror itself (though why, then, does the whole system seem to freeze?), or in glibc, or the X server, or even the kernel (though why, then, does only Konqueror cause it?). Funny. Craig pgplklURtpnr7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Odd pauses with KDE 3
On my only sid KDE 3 machine, I notice that the entire system seems to pause for a few seconds at a time. Launching a new Konqueror process (I have minimize memory usage set to local only, so I assume starting a Konqueror web browser will start a new process) has this effect, and the KDE save file dialog also does it sometimes, particularly if I am editing the filename to save to. When these pauses occur, everything (or at least everything KDE-related, which is usually everything visible) is unresponsive; even XMMS (which is using xmms-arts for output) pauses when its current sample buffer runs out. Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this, or suggestions for things I should check? This problem does not occur under Gnome 2 or in other non-KDE environments, even on the same machine. TIA for any help that anyone can offer. Craig pgpouUy9ZJCCc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Where is kdenetwork, where is Chris?
Karolina Lindqvist wrote: As it is now I have a stable KDE for debian, as well as over 60 applications/additions. Are your packages still built with gcc 2.95, or have you moved to gcc 3.2? I switched to the official sid packages when they got in, as it was becoming increasingly painful to keep up-to-date with other sid packages without breaking KDE due to the gcc transition. But sid is still missing some important (to me) packages such as gwenview, kgamma, and noteedit. It would be nice, if it were possible, to be able to add a few of your packages to a sid KDE3 installation. But if you're still using gcc 2.95, it obviously can't be done. Craig pgpDlf27gPPm1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: kdm and use of /etc/profile
Henning Moll wrote: It has been discussed a few days before how to setup kdm to use a login shell: in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession change the first line from: #!/bin/sh to #!/bin/bash --login ok. i wonder if this should be the default (it seems to be default for xdm/gdm) as some packages need /etc/profile sourced. Hmm. Isn't the real issue that the user expects that his login script will be sourced at login time? /bin/bash --login is fine if your login shell is in fact bash, but what if it's zsh, ksh, tcsh...? There really ought to be a better solution for this. Currently, /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsession (on my system) contains (ignoring a few comment lines) only the following: #!/bin/sh . /etc/X11/Xsession How about the substituting the following: #!/bin/sh myshell=`grep ^$USER: /etc/passwd | cut -d : -f 7` exec $myshell -l -c /etc/X11/Xsession Maybe there's a simpler way of determining the user's login shell? That grep-and-cut is the way I generally do it. Craig pgp7KzB1frBPU.pgp Description: PGP signature
Sid KDE 3.1 upgrade report
I finally removed all of Karolina's packages and replaced them with official Sid packages, plus those in people.debian.org/~ccheney that haven't made it into Sid yet. Mostly went well, but perhaps I did not get my sources.list quite right for ~ccheney? I have the following lines: deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/ kde-3.1.0-1/ deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/ kde-other/ Most things installed, but kdenetwork packages from ~ccheney/kde-other got error 404, file not found. Are the above lines not right, or is there a problem in the repository? Also, a few packages from Karolina's repository are not yet available in sid or ~ccheney. The ones I particularly want are kgamma and noteedit. I gather noteedit has recently been adopted, so hopefully we'll see a new build of that soon in Sid. Will someone be making a kgamma package? A couple of things continue to annoy me about KDE which it seems (to me) that I can't be the only person bothered by them. So perhaps there are solutions I don't know about for these issues: 1. Keyboard repeat rate. KDE Control Center lets you enable or disable keyboard repeat, but you cannot set the initial delay time or repeat rate. 2. Locale setting. KDE keeps leaving me with LANG=C. I have selected English, USA in KDE Control Center's locale panel, but this seems not to have any effect on the environment variables visible in Konsoles. 3. Mouse buttons. I have a Microsoft Optical Intellimouse with both a wheel and extra side buttons. KDE seems to offer no convenient way to initialize this correctly so that the scroll wheel works right. 4. There seems to be no KDE-specific per-user init script for customization of the environment. My current hacked-up fix for this is to give myself a fix for #4 by invoking $HOME/.kdestart from /etc/kde3/debian/startkde, just after the invocation of ksplash. In $HOME/.kdestart, I call xmodmap to set up the mouse buttons, kbdrate to set up the keyboard repeat rate, and invoke my $HOME/.bash_profile to initialize my environment. Are there better solutions? Craig pgp2djHLOzcCA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sid KDE 3.1 upgrade report
Lucas Moulin wrote: Craig Dickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Keyboard repeat rate. KDE Control Center lets you enable or disable keyboard repeat, but you cannot set the initial delay time or repeat rate. See the Option AutoRepeat in your XF86Config-4. I will look that up and use it to set a reasonable system default, but still, each user ideally ought to be able to customize it, so an X server setting is not appropriate for my purpose. 2. Locale setting. KDE keeps leaving me with LANG=C. I have selected English, USA in KDE Control Center's locale panel, but this seems not to have any effect on the environment variables visible in Konsoles. Environment variables are changed with dpkg-reconfigure locales. Kcontrol only changes KDE environment. No, each user should be able to choose his own environment, which may be different from the system default. Gnome's GDM allows the user to choose his locale at login time, and remembers it for future logins, KDM appears not to have this capability, nor have I been able to find it elsewhere in KDE. Or are you suggesting that the KDE developers fundamentally do not understand that a multi-user OS may actually have multiple users? Surely that's not possible. 3. Mouse buttons. I have a Microsoft Optical Intellimouse with both a wheel and extra side buttons. KDE seems to offer no convenient way to initialize this correctly so that the scroll wheel works right. See your XF86Config-4, Option ZAxisMapping. This is already set up, and works in every other environment that is installed on the machine. Break everything else to make KDE work seems like a poor solution. Craig pgpIRXAxW2DEQ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sid KDE 3.1 upgrade report
Børre Gaup wrote: You can make a file ~/.xsession . X uses this as a startup file. Here is a snippet from mine: --- #!/bin/sh export LANG=se_NO.UTF-8 keychain $HOME/.ssh/id_dsa source ~/.keychain/`uname -n`-sh eval $(gpg-agent --daemon) xsetroot -solid black setxkbmap sapmi+us_group3 setxkbmap -option ctrl:swapcaps setxkbmap -option grp:menu_toggle startkde -- Hope this helps. At least you won't have to edit files in /usr :-) Yes, the goal is for individual user configuration, not system-wide settings. I was hoping for a KDE-specific startup script, so that the user could do something different depending on the environment. Perhaps there is some environment variable that is only set in KDE sessions? I will look into this. Also, perhaps I should have noted that I am using KDM to start up my KDE session, if that makes any difference. Craig pgp8g5rbqvSlA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: konqueror 3.1.0 does not launch from kicker
Joseph Reagle wrote: That's probably the konqueror.desktop missing file problem. I have fixed that problem. I just upgraded to from kde 3.1.0rc6 to kde 3.1.0 and have this problem presently. I fixed it for myself by extracting the konqueror.desktop file from the rc6 package and copying it to /usr/share/services. Also, my fonts have gone kind of screwy, Arial looks rather bad at size 9 and 11 (good at 10!) smile/. I've been careful not to dip from sid during the transition, but maybe some package got updated and now my fonts are a little off. That's probably libfreetype6. The new -8 package has some changes to the font rendering which some people don't care for. Downgrade to -7 if you prefer it as it was. With luck, things will get straightened out in another update or two... Craig pgp0YVUbOS43L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: konqueror 3.1.0 does not launch from kicker
Michael Hoodes wrote: OK I'll bite. What package has konqueror.desktop in it? My Woody 3.1 partition doesn't have it. What's a good way to check for inclusion of that file? I've tried grep konqueror.desktop * in my 130MB Sid /var/cache/apt/archives directory but that didn't find it. It's in Karolina's konqueror rc6 package. I still have a copy of it. Grepping your archive directory probably won't do. A .deb file is an uncompressed ar(1) archive containing a gzipped tar file (data.tar.gz) which in turn contains all the files to be installed. Since the tarball is compressed, grepping it isn't useful. I don't suppose zgrepping the .deb would be useful either, since the ar(1) archive isn't compressed. To unpack a .deb: ar -x file.deb tar xzf data.tar.gz then look under ./usr/share/services for the konqueror.desktop file. The exact file you want is: konqueror_4%3a3.1.0+rc6+kl-2_i386.deb unless Karolina has posted a fixed version already. Craig pgpqdIBKyO7YP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: libfam0
R. Rodriguez wrote: I've just installed a woody, and upgraded it to sid. When i apt-get install kdexxx packages from official ftp (the stable packages... just like ralf recommended) it dumps a libfam0 dependency. At home i got that package installed, but right now i can't find it in my sources. You can install libfam0 from testing (sarge). Craig
Re: NoteEdit for KDE 3.1?
Craig Dickson wrote: I haven't been able to find a NoteEdit package for KDE 3, I see that a NoteEdit package has been added to Karolina's repository. Thank you! It works very nicely, modulo some minor issues that are probably either bugs in NoteEdit itself, or perhaps relate to the outdated version of Lilypond in Debian unstable. (I have tried exporting to PMX and MusiXTeX, but the page images generated by these tools left something to be desired -- I am hoping Lilypond will do better, once I can get it to accept NoteEdit's output.) However, I would still like to understand and fix the build problem I was experiencing. Can anyone offer any suggestions? I'm not even sure which tool is at fault (make, autoconf, bison...?). Here is the error again: % make cd . make -f admin/Makefile.common configure.in ; make[1]: Entering directory /home/craig/src/noteedit-2.0.17' cd . aclocal cd . automake --gnu ./Makefile cd . perl admin/am_edit Makefile.in cd . autoconf configure.in:243: warning: AC_PROG_LEX invoked multiple times configure.in:569: error: m4_popdef: undefined macro: AC_Dest autoconf/status.m4:844: AC_CONFIG_FILES is expanded from... configure.in:569: the top level autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1 make: *** [configure] Error 1 Craig pgpnP4GblweR5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: new kde 3.1 packages from Ralph Nolden and Konsole
Russell Coker wrote: I am now running Ralph's packages on Debian/unstable. Is there some reason to prefer these packages over Karolina's? Craig pgpEU7GtbOtut.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Karolina's KDE 3.1RC5 packages - K Menu Issues...
Doug Holland wrote: I just apt-get updated my system today, which fetched a bunch of fresh KDE packages from http://wh9.tu-dresden.de/kde3/karolina, and now I noticed many of the items in my K menu are now gone. Specifically, the Debian menus are now missing, which contained all sorts of stuff. Is there any easy way to get them back? I've never seen the Debian menus under KDE using Karolina's packages. How did you ever get them in the first place? Craig pgpNFYPQ5QB4q.pgp Description: PGP signature
NoteEdit for KDE 3.1?
I haven't been able to find a NoteEdit package for KDE 3, so I tried building it from source. Unfortunately, it won't build. At first, it wouldn't even configure, complaining that its test of bison/yacc failed; I fixed that by correcting a syntax error in its yacctest.y file. Then it configured, but building gave this error: % make cd . make -f admin/Makefile.common configure.in ; make[1]: Entering directory /home/craig/src/noteedit-2.0.17' cd . aclocal cd . automake --gnu ./Makefile cd . perl admin/am_edit Makefile.in cd . autoconf configure.in:243: warning: AC_PROG_LEX invoked multiple times configure.in:569: error: m4_popdef: undefined macro: AC_Dest autoconf/status.m4:844: AC_CONFIG_FILES is expanded from... configure.in:569: the top level autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1 make: *** [configure] Error 1 At this point, I'm stuck; I don't know what this means or how to fix it. Can anyone offer any suggestions? Has anyone else managed to build NoteEdit for KDE3? Craig
Today's libpng 1.2.5-8 good?
I see yet another new libpng today, 1.2.5-8. Like other people, I found that Konqueror, Kicker, and other K programs crashed with yesterday's 1.2.5-7, so I am feeling a little wary of new libpngs right now. Would someone more brave than me please try the new libpng and let the rest of us know if it's safe? Thanks, Craig
Re: Beware official Qt packages
Hendrik Sattler wrote: Is QT3.1 incompatible with KDE3.0.5 in general? If yes, why was it uploaded? Perhaps because KDE 3.0.x isn't in Debian and never will be? Craig pgpbvgLJ9mAdM.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Fwd: Konqueror Shortcuts ???
Greg James wrote: As you can now browse the web with all your windows tabulated under 1 konqueror window i tried to configure the shortcut to open a link in a new tab to be like operas default shortcut (SHIFT+LeftMouseClick) which is very comfortable, or to even be the middle mouse button but there seems to be no way to be able to configure any mouse button to be a shortcut ?!!? Anyone know if this is possible or im i stuck with the old right click, select from menu style of opening links in new tabs ??? Hmm? Middle click opens a link in a new tab for me (using Konqueror 3.1 from Karolina's debs). Craig
Re: Customization questions
Craig Dickson wrote: (Speaking of which: Is there a KDE-specific per-user session startup script?) I think I have answered this question for myself, and the answer is no. It seems like a useful thing to have, though, so I created one. Here is what I did, in case anyone else is interested in having such a thing, or wants to tell me why it's a stupid idea or why my method is stupid: In /etc/kde3/debian/startkde, just after the invocation of ksplash, I added this: if [ -e $HOME/.kdestart ]; then . $HOME/.kdestart fi I source the file, rather than launching a sub-shell, to allow .kdestart to modify KDE's environment. In particular, I dislike the fact that KDE's session never runs my .bash_profile (Konsole ignores it; apparently Konsole has no run as login shell option, unlike most other xterms), so my personal .kdestart sources .bash_profile. - With KDM, what is the best place to put system-wide X initialization such as xmodmap settings? I haven't experimented with this yet, but I think KDM launches /etc/X11/Xsession (with the name of the chosen session as an argument), so presumably dropping a file into /etc/X11/Xsession.d would do the trick. Craig
Re: Customization questions
Karolina Lindqvist wrote: konsole has the --ls option; from man konsole: --ls Start with a login shell environment. What that does varies depending on your system, but generally it means that files such as ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile will be read. (If that doesn't mean anything to you, don't worry about it, but keep in the back of your mind for when you realize you need it.) Maybe that options does what you want? Okay, I guess I was just looking in the configuration GUI. I guess I could add --ls to the command line for the Konsole button. Thanks for the tip. I still like the idea of a per-user KDE init script, though. Sourcing .bash_profile at that point ensures (well, almost) that any shell spawned by any app in the session will have my environment settings. It's also a good time to do any per-user X configuration that might be desired (e.g. xmodmap stuff). Craig
Customization questions
I'm new to KDE, which I installed from Karolina Lindqvist's 3.1 packages. In general I really like KDE and find it much more complete and better integrated than Gnome, but there are a few things I haven't yet been able to get to behave the way I want, and I wonder if I've just missed something, or if there's a back-door way to do what I want (such as editing a KDE conf file by hand). - KDE Control Center just has a check box to enable key repeat; there are no controls for setting the initial delay or rate of repeating. KDE's defaults are too slow for me; I want an initial delay of 250 ms, followed by about 30 repeats per second. Is there a way to do this within KDE, or do I have to run kbdrate from a session startup script? (Speaking of which: Is there a KDE-specific per-user session startup script?) - Can Konquerer be made to use the side buttons on a Microsoft Intellimouse to go back and forwards in the browser history? The Configure Shortcuts dialog box seems to be only for keyboard configuration. - Can a different screen saver be chosen randomly each time? It seems that in the Control Center only one can be selected. - With KDM, what is the best place to put system-wide X initialization such as xmodmap settings? Thanks, Craig
