Re: proposal to remove skim and scim-qtimm from sid
On Wed, 13 Jan 2010, Zhengpeng Hou wrote: Hi all, the upstream author of skim and scim-qtimm is the same one, and he hasn't touched this two for quite a while, from what I remember, more than 2 years. And the fact is the whole scim project is under non-maintained as well. Besides this, KDE 4 is being widely adopted nowadays, I'm not sure how many users will still use these two qt3/kde3 applications, just for a input method. Therefore, I proposal to remove these two from sid. Skim has some reverse depends, so I looped in corresponding maintainers. What do you guys think about it? I agree and we should move quickly to ensure it is done before the lenny freeze. Question: is ibus a complete replacement for scim at this stage? If so we may want to deprecate scim altogether. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas jald...@debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-qt-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: QT needs new maintainer(s), or at least an NMU
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Martin Loschwitz wrote: I think the solution this time is rather to find people to send me patches; not to mix up people in a maintainer group. As maintainer of the Qt packages, I hereby officially deny an NMU or something similar, i.e. an upload not done by me, until things get clear again. However, as already said -- I would love to see people help me; I am thinking of doing a Qt 3.2.x upload to fix at least one of the two outstanding release critical bugs. Additionally, re-enabling STL is something one might take into consideration. Well it's been another week and still no new upload. Hopefully you are getting help with patches and so on but in the meantime you should still do an upload to fix the RC-bugs. Or if you are really busy (understandable) let someone else do it. I don't know what you have against NMUs. They are not a personal insult you know. A fixed Qt absolutely has to get into sarge. The current version simply isn't good enough. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
Re: Bug#250452: Out of date Qt makes Indian languages totally unusable in Qt/KDE apps
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Brian Nelson wrote: Not by me, at least for 9 days or so. I didn't bring my private key with me to Debconf4. I can look at the packages you made though and let you know if they look OK to NMU. Unfortunately my packages aren't quite ok. Some of the debian patches failed to apply and I didn't check to see if any of the patches were still relevant for the new version. Perhaps someone on debian-qt-kde or at debconf would like to do this properly? -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
Re: Bug#250452: Out of date Qt makes Indian languages totally unusable in Qt/KDE apps
[I'm Cc'ing the qt-kde packagers list for more input.] On Sun, 30 May 2004, Brian Nelson wrote: I've been maintaining my own Qt packages for some time at http://bignachos.com/~nelson/debian . I've been considering hijacking the Debian Qt packages because I use Qt extensively at work and am extremely dissatisfied with the packages currently in Debian. Go for it. I sympathize with madkiss if he is busy but he should have the decency to ask for help instead of leaving such an important package to stagnate like this. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
Re: RFS: umbrello (try #2)
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003, Robert Lemmen wrote: sorry for asking again, but i can't believe no one wants to take a look and upload for me. Actually I was interested in this the last time you posted but forgot to contact you about it. I'll take a look at it but I have a question first. Isn't this part of the main KDE distribution now? So won't it be pointless to package it seperately? -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
Re: Status report of Qt3 packages in Debian GNU/Linux unstable
Let me start by saying I personally have had no problems with your Qt packages. On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Martin Loschwitz wrote: I am convinced that most people, when thinking of Debian, identify the project with freedom. This is an important point since the past has shown us that freedom is one of the key conditions that must be there in order to establish any kind of society. Certainly but history has also shown us that societies need organization in order to retain freedom and that requires giving up a little freedom. A goal of a just society is to ensure that only the minimal amount of freedom necessary to meets its' goals are surrendered. The problem I see is that most people apply the term freedom to software only but not to the persons behind the project. This ends up in people being harrassed all the time for not doing things that person XYZ wants to see. If you want to make Qt packages on your own computer you may and no one will ever harass you ever. By volunteering to maintain packages for Debian whose priorities are our users and free software you have made a public commitment and persons other than yourself are allowed to impose upon you. Whether their demands are legitimate is another questions. Sadly many users outside there seem to think that Debian Developers are not allowed to have a private life besides Debian. This becomes more and more obvious, especially if one sees the mails a DD gets if RC-Bugs are not fixed within a day. Mmm...my experience is different. I think most people do realize we are volunteers. Sure there are some whiny crybabies but was that the case in this situation? Nobody calls into question that Debian Maintainers have to do their work in a conscientious and diligent manner, but due to their granted freedom, they also have the right on a private life, a life which has got nothing to do with Debian (You could also call it 'freetime'). In my opinion, this applies to every person being involved in the project, no matter if the person is DAM, ftpmaster or packager of a 5kb big application. I sympathize with need to maintain a real life. Ever since my daughter was born my time for Debian stuff has been severely cut down. I have a responsibility to her but also to the project. If I can't keep up with my Debian duties, the responsible thing is to cut down that work to a manageable level not to just stop responding. (And that goes for everyone not just you.) Qt is a key package. hold ups in Qt affect many other developers and users other than yourself. If you are not up to the job in terms of time or abilities, there is no harm in stepping aside or sharing the burden. No one will think you are less of a man for it. In my opinion, to esteem this right is the duty of everybody who thinks that freedom is important. I think that if the trend described below does not die, this problem will in short time become one of the hardest problems debian ever had to face. Less and less competent people will want to join the project if they see that the work they do is not being appreciated and that the only feedback they get is harassment if there is something not correct. Well the point expressed in the thread was that you were not competent and didn't respond adequately. I don't know if that is true. Like I said I've had no problems with your packages. But if it is true, then how does having such people on board help Debian achieve its' goals? It is better that they do not join the project. While considering this, another question comes to my mind: Is it really necessary to flock together against somebody on a public mainlinglist, ending in requestion him to be sacked? Is it necessary to show the whole world how harsh one can be? Is this the way a project which has to have a social structure can work? Do you get The Osbournes on TV in Germany? Debian is that kind of family, one that loves each other but airs its' dirty laundry in public. (We will not hide problems from our users.) Nobody said you were a bad person only that you were not up to the task of maintaining Qt. That's a technical matter which can be solved with facts. As last point, I want to call the benefit of flamewars like the one against me in question. Just have a look at the tree of the thread Ralf started some days ago. What did it bring to us? We got some new packages finally, but we would also have had those if the flamewar never existed at all since it was beyond any question for me to fix the packages like Ralf suggested. Then you should have said so as quickly as possible. We are hundreds of people spread out all over the world and good communication is key. The last thing we need is more silent unresponsive people in key places. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] La Salle Debain - http://www.braincells.com/debian/
Re: kdegames for 3.0 (fwd)
On 24 Apr 2002, Daniel Schepler wrote: Umm, I'd already done my own work on kdegames packaging for 3.0 and committed to CVS. It's probably a bit out of date by now, especially with a new game megami added to CVS since then, but I'd prefer to wait to see how the official KDE3 packages will be organized before I fiddle with file locations in kdegames. Oh I don't know how I missed that. Never mind then. If you need any help, let me know. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a girl! See the pictures - http://www.braincells.com/shailaja/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dissimilar konsole instances
On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, kiss the sun and walk on air wrote: with aterm I can change the WM_CLASS of the window using the -name parameter. I guess I will file a bug report / feature request for konsole for a similar command-line option. According to konsole --help there is a --name option present and it does set the window class. I'm using KDE3 CVS mind you. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a girl! See the pictures - http://www.braincells.com/shailaja/
Re: KDE filesystem structure
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: It seems that your reasoning that /opt is reserved for things like Loki games is incorrect. See my mail titled Interpeting FHS. [...] That is a serious misunderstanding of add-on. By add-on here it means application software that is not essential for system functionality, such as KDE. Saying that distribution provided software is not add on application software is gross misunderstanding of the terms involved. Yes I saw it but you are still missing the point. English is not the most precise of languages but the meaning of add-on should be fairly clear. It is something extra beyond what is provided in the base distribution. So how would you define that for Debian? contrib and non-free which are not officially part of Debian? Any package of priority optional or extra? As you can see none of those packages are placed in /opt. The use of /opt goes back to the bad old days of commercial UNIX when vendors would try and soak you for every penny you had. (I believe with SCO even TCP/IP was an add-on at one point!) You would have a base OS and other extra packages you could purchase. Also third-party vendors would sell their own packages. Plus there was free software. All of those things were usually placed in /opt to signify they were not part of the base OS. For instance on a Solaris 8 system I have here there are only three things under /opt. /opt/gnome-1.4 is GNOME, not a Sun product. /opt/sfw comes from a CD of freeware they put out which again is not a Sun product and /opt/SUNWebnfs is WebNFS which is a Sun product but not part of basic Solaris. Now how do you map this concept of addons to Debian? All our packages, even the extra and non-free ones are first-class citizens. We don't sell enhancements or upgrades. Conceivably in the days of the licensing wars you could have considered KDE an add-on to Debian but not now. On the contrary, FHS says distributions can install software in /opt, except certain subdirs reserved for the system administrator. Does SuSe consider KDE3 to be a preview release or unsupported or sometheing you pay extra for? Then it would be legitimate to put it into /opt. If they are just too lazy to properly integrate it into their system then this is not something we should be emulating. Before you give an answer to this, please read the mail I mentioned, and section 3.8 in complete. Also bear in mind the purpose of the FHS is not just to set policy but codify existing practice. Somethings may be allowed which are not necessarily recommended to do. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a girl! See the pictures - http://www.braincells.com/shailaja/
Re: KDE filesystem structure
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 15 January 2002 22:55, James Thorniley wrote: So I'm afraid it's wrong to say a move to /opt/kde violates debian policy, since it's in accordance with FHS. I'm supported also by Mosfet, see www.mosfet.org/fss.html for an actual argument for why directory layout should be more logical. We know that FHS allows it, Read carefully what the FHS says. (You can find a copy in the debian-policy package.) According to section 3.8 /opt is for third-party addons. If KDE is packaged for Debian by Debian developers it is not an addon and _does_not_ belong in /opt. that's why many RPM's have files in /opt. Ha! RPMs tend to spew files all over the place. Hardly relevant. I have some non-free packages such as icc that installs itself in /opt/intel. I'm ABSOLUTELY sure that intel's build and release engineers are smart enough to interpret FHS correctly (unlike some other people). It's not a question of non-free but third-party. Is icc part of any distribution? No. So it belongs in /opt. Were it to be packaged for Debian (or SuSe etc. if they gave a damn) it would have to go into /usr/bin, /usr/lib etc. On my computer things like Loki games, VMware, WordPerfect, are installed in /opt. But .debs even if they are of things I haven't contributed to Debian and never will, follow Debian policy and are in /usr. It's actually a pretty good idea, because the subsystem for a whole software package is defined very well under /opt. As it is under /usr. You just put the front end in /opt/bin. Very well. To comply with the debian policy some symlinks would have to be made, that's all. Also note the FHS says that /opt/bin is reserved for the local admin only. It looks like /opt/kde3 is the proper choice for KDE after all. Well I hope I've convinced you that it isn't. Should such broken .debs actually make it into the archive they would get critical bugs almost immediately. I was going to suggest creating /usr/lib/kde3, make this KDE prefix with symlinks to whichever directories are appropriate. For instance there would be a /usr/share/kde3, and /usr/lib/kde3/share would point to /usr/share/kde3/ Wasn't that Ivans' plan? However, your quote does imply that redhat, suse, etc. packaging which installs in /opt/kde3 is indeed FHS compliant. I wonder who was clueless enough to think otherwise upon reading FHS. I for one. And SuSe Red Hat have never impressed me with their adherence to standards. Note that *everybody* except debian uses /opt/kde3, If it's not Debian it's CRAP! :-) Oh and btw, /usr/X11R6 and /usr/games were both UNIX traditions from before Linux and were grandfathered in to the FHS. They really shouldn't exist. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a girl! See the pictures - http://www.braincells.com/shailaja/
Re: Multiple KDE 2.2beta crashes
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, Renaud [iso-8859-1] Guérin wrote: Hello, I've just upgraded from KDE 2.1.2 to unstable's KDE 2.2beta. I'm experiencing numerous segfaults in many apps, and it looks like it has something to do with fonts or QT. Are you using the megagradient theme? I had the same problem and it stopped when I switched to one of the Qt builtin themes. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more protocol dying unexpectedly
On Sat, 30 Jun 2001, David Bishop wrote: Is anyone else seeing this? Yup. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#98688: RFP: knapster2 -- KDE2 napster client
Package: wnpp Version: N/A; reported 2001-05-25 Severity: wishlist -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- I've already packaged this up. The menu stuff and the build-dependencies may not be quite right but other than that, the package is in good shape. However I can't take on another package right now so would someone like to take it off my hands? If so, let me know and I'll tell you where to find the files. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7Dkrt2kYOR+5txmoRASkDAJ4zJT9W6Dh7OXvgewR2Zc3CffdDTACgqmVH DwLNdX08nfqDpmDDr+OVh9A= =NGNw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: libqt2-2.3.0-final-2 not compiled with -xft?
On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Jens Benecke wrote: On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 03:57:07PM -0600, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: Just FYI (I haven't followed all of this), in case you are wondering why AA fonts are not working and are using the NVIDIA drivers. NVIDIA drivers claim they can do RENDER, but they can NOT yet do AA fonts. They just have every app crash or ignore the settings. (At least here.) Are you sure about that? I'm using the 0.97 drivers and I *think* I have anti-aliasing working. At least $QT_XFT = 1 and the fonts seem to look somewhat better then they did before to my untrained eye. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freetype - we may not be out of the woods yet
I have a 32MB Diamond Viper V770 (Riva TNT 2) video card with the Debianized 0.9.767 drivers and Debian upgraded nightly from unstable. (kdelibs3 is 2.1.0.1-5 and libqt2-gl is 2.3.0-final-1.) Since the new nvidia driver .debs came out, I've been successfuly using AA without problems (after downgrading libfreetype6 as suggested on this list.) Today I read that the latest freetype fixes the problems reported before so I unheld it and let it upgrade. I rebooted for good measure. This is what happens now: 1. new libfreetype6 and login to KDE via KDM Doesn't work. Grey Screen of Death. If however I go to a console and run for instance konqueror -display localhost:0.0 and then switch back to vt7, it does come up and does seem to be antialised. By manually running kwin, kdesktop, dcopserver etc in the same way. I can get a complete KDE session back. 2. new libfreetype6 and login from console via startx Works as aspected. 3. Downgrade to known safe libfreetype6 and login via KDM works as expected. 4. Downgrade to known safe libfreetype6 and login via startx works as expected. This leads me to believe libfreetype6 itself may not be the problem but something KDM does or doesn't do. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: heads up - kde.tdyc.com crazyness
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Christophe Prud'homme wrote: BTW I have revamped the kdevelop(1.4) debian packaging script, and after some discussion with some kdevelop guys, the commit will be in Real soon Now Would it be possible to add kdevelop 1.4 in your amazing work in the future? I can build the complete package for sid if you want Raphael Bossek [EMAIL PROTECTED] has already posted an ITP for kdevelop. You should discuss this with him. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: probelm with libqt2.2-gl
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Christophe Prud'homme wrote: Hie, I didn't have time to investigate but there is a problem with libqt2.2-gl type dcop for example and you will have error while loading shared lib /usr/lib/libqt.so.2 undefined symbol __pure_virtual changing libqt2.2-gl to libqt2.2 solves the problem but I guess that some GL support is missing it is for debian/sid Me too. kxmlrpcd doesn't seem to work either. Client connects just hangs for a long time then timout. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: configuring kmail
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, TimPep wrote: Hi, Okay, I'm sorry if this is an idiotic question. I just successfully completed my installation of KDE, (thanks Ivan!) and now I'm trying to configure kmail. I've read the instructions in the help file and tried to carry them out but I get an unknown host error when I try to receive mail. (I'm using a different OS right now which is why I can email.). I'm entering the info just as I would here in windoze (okay I confess) which I suspect is probably wrong. I.e. SMTP server: pacific.net.ph incoming mail server: pacific.net.ph Clearly this is wrong in the context Linux, but I'm clueless as to what's right. I suppose it's related to the fact that under linux my machine has it's own hostname. (pudgy - don't ask). So does that have to get worked in somehow? Or do I have to use sendmail? Thanks. It shouldn't make a difference that you are using Linux. can you ping pacific.net.ph? Is their server doing a reverse DNS lookup? You will get more help if you ask this question on debian-user. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.debs for Aethera
For theKompany, I've debianized Aethera 0.9.0 . I don't think they've installed it yet, but you can find it in the incoming directory of their FTP site if you hunt around. For those who don't know, Aethera is KDEs answer to Evolution or Outlook. This version is a technology preview so it is still rough around the edges but it's looking pretty good. For more information see: http://www.thekompany.com/projects/aethera/ Aethera is GPLed so it should go into Debian. The problem is I have my hands full with my other packages right now so I can't afford to take on another one. Would someone like to adopt it and upload it to Debian (and TDYC)? If you are not already a maintainer, I'd be happy to sponsor you. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: .debs for Aethera
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Ivan E. Moore II wrote: fyi... I have idle time on my box so I'm building it right now...if all goes well I'll upload packages to tdyc. And if someone wants to maintain as requested above, I'll also be willing to sponser or you can just steal my stuff as a start...don't matter to me...I'll even be willing to maintain it if I like it. :) btw, if you are building for potato, you might run into the problem described earlier about the qt-designer includes being in the wrong place. I don't think you made the fix in the potato libqt packages. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kivio still missing ?
On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Thibaut Cousin wrote: After having installed KDE 2.0.1, dselect still complains about kivio being recommended and missing (for koshell). Is it normal ? I never got around to uploading it. I'm doing it right now. Ok, it's there now. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: postinst bug in kdelibs and/or kdebase
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Thibaut Cousin wrote: Hello, I've had a problem for a few days : two days ago it was the postrm script of kdebase, yesterday and today it is the postinst script of kdelibs. Here is the message (translated from french, so it is not exact) : Setting up kdelibs3 (2.0-final-0.potato.10) ... Installing new version of configuration file /etc/kde2/charsets ... dpkg: error processing kdelibs3 (--configure): the subprocess post-install script returned an output error 1 If I move kdelibs3.postinst from /var/lib/dpkg/info, the installation can be finished with no further problem. Then if I launch kdelibs3.postinst by hand (./kdelibs3.postinst configure), it works without problem... Any idea ? Its not really a bug in the postinst. You see, dpkg keeps a database of all the fies it has installed on your computer and which package they belong to. It has code to check that a package does not install a file which belongs to another package. During a release that code is turned off, now it has been turned on again so dpkg gives error messages when this happens. The thing to do is to report to Ivan the file and the overlapping packages it is in so when he does the next set he can make sure it appears in only one package. In the mean time, you can turn off this check yourself and install the package manually by doing $ dpkg --install --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3.deb Because apt-get was unable to finish, you may have broken dependencies at this point so you may have to do $ dpkg --install --force-overwrite --force-depends /var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs3.deb other dpkg options are explained in the man page. When you have resolved the packages with errors, re-run apt-get upgrade to properly install the rest. But whatever you do, do report these kind of problems to the package maintainer. Use of force-* options is not recommended on a regular basis. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: qt-designer
On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Bud Rogers wrote: OK. Pizza Hut does gift certificates. If you're willing to pass me your mailing address, on or off list as you wish, I'll send you one. Just a small gesture to say THANKS for the incredible amount of work you've done to make KDE for Debian a reality. I'll sponsor the breadsticks :-) Seriously we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Ivan for all the hard work he's put into this so I'd like to get in on any gift we get him. -- Jaldhar H. Vyas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
