Re: xorg not installing - Fixed!
On Sunday 12 November 2006 01:06, Larry Garfield wrote: Another thing to try is if discover1 works better than discover: http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/d/discover1/ Now this is fascinating. If I just switch directly to discover1: aptitude install discover1 Then it removes discover, installs discover1, sees that xserver-xorg is not fully installed and successfully installs it! Whatever the difference is between discover and discover1, it looks like discover is broken on my system but discover1 isn't. Very weird. I'm going to try restarting X and see if it survives. If you don't hear from me, it means my system is dead. ;-) Thanks. That seems to have done it. Thanks! What exactly is the difference between discover and discover1? I'm curious why one would die and the other not. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg not installing - Fixed!
On Sunday 12 November 2006 06:55, Florian Kulzer wrote: What exactly is the difference between discover and discover1? I'm curious why one would die and the other not. For some time I thought that discover1 was optimized for 2.6 kernels. That is not true, however: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2006/06/msg02440.html Now I have simply filed the discover/discover1 business under If one does not work try the other; if both do not work remove them. Huh. That's the problem with evolutionary systems this large. Cruft like that stays around and never quite goes away. Ah well. One of these days I'll probably remove them both. Thanks again. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg not installing - Fixed?
On Friday 03 November 2006 12:44, Florian Kulzer wrote: That's the last line of output. If I try to reinstall discover, however, aptitude simply tries to install xorg again and it freezes again. apt-get does the same. There's also no change if I do an aptitude clean and then try to download the package again. I think there are two possible approaches: 1) Find out why discover fails. You can run it yourself as root with the -d option. Maybe you will get some error messages that explain the behavior of the postinst script. discover on its own reports each piece of hardware multiple times in a row, then seems to freeze after reporting my video card three times: nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600/GeForce 6600 GT] The card was installed a few months ago, and I know things have been upgraded since then. If I run discover -v (verbose), then it doesn't get very far at all: rigel:~# discover -v Loading XML data... ata pci pcmcia scsi usb Done Scanning buses... ata pci pcmcia scsi usb Then it freezes. Ctrl+C doesn't even work. 2) You decide that you do not care about 1) and just get rid of discover: Another thing to try is if discover1 works better than discover: http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/d/discover1/ Now this is fascinating. If I just switch directly to discover1: aptitude install discover1 Then it removes discover, installs discover1, sees that xserver-xorg is not fully installed and successfully installs it! Whatever the difference is between discover and discover1, it looks like discover is broken on my system but discover1 isn't. Very weird. I'm going to try restarting X and see if it survives. If you don't hear from me, it means my system is dead. ;-) Thanks. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg not installing
On Thursday 02 November 2006 16:23, Florian Kulzer wrote: OK, so at least we know that it hangs in the post-installation script. This script is located at /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xorg.postinst but unfortunately it is quite complicated. You can check /var/log/dpkg.log, but it will probably only tell you that this script is run and give no further information or error messages. You can try to edit the script and change the line set -e (directly after the comment header) to set -xe The commands which are executed when the script is run will be echoed to stdout with this setting. Maybe that will give you a clue where/why it hangs if you try the upgrade again. With set -xe, it seems to freeze after this portion of the output: ++ UPSTREAM_VERSION=7.1.0 ++ CMD='discover --type-summary display' ++ eval discover --type-summary display +++ discover --type-summary display That's the last line of output. If I try to reinstall discover, however, aptitude simply tries to install xorg again and it freezes again. apt-get does the same. There's also no change if I do an aptitude clean and then try to download the package again. Maybe the postinst script gets stuck because some other xorg package is not installed properly; you might want to run aptitude search '~b' to check for further broken packages. Well, that finds a whole bunch that have a status of B. Joy. :-) Some are KDE packages, which seem to be working fine nonetheless. None look like something that xorg should be depending on. I also tried just now uninstalling xserver-xorg completely (and its half-dozen or so dependencies) and reinstalling them. Once again, it freezes in exactly the same place. If I uninstall it again and try to install discover, it's already at the latest version. I then tried installing xorg again, this time specifying testing as the release. It ignored me and installed the sid version again, which once again broke. I am still confused. :-( I could also imagine that closing down X might help to get the upgrade through. However, I realize that you are reluctant to do this and I cannot promise you that X will start again after such an experiment. After my testing above, I'm fairly sure it would die a horrible death. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: xorg not installing
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 12:12, Florian Kulzer wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 23:48:13 -0500, Larry Garfield wrote: Hi folks. For the past week or so, every time I try to aptitude update/upgrade my Sid box, the upgrade process hangs when processing xserver-xorg. It simply freezes when processing that package until I Ctrl+C it. I know Sid breaks periodically, but it's been over a week on two different repositories. In what stage does it freeze? (unpacking, setting up, ...) Please post the full output and error messages, including the command that you use to upgrade. What is the result of apt-cache policy xserver-xorg? [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/public_html/eclipse/stflib$ apt-cache policy xserver-xorg xserver-xorg: Installed: 1:7.1.0-5 Candidate: 1:7.1.0-5 Version table: *** 1:7.1.0-5 0 500 ftp://debian.uchicago.edu sid/main Packages 500 ftp://debian.mirrors.pair.com sid/main Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status I'm using aptitude upgrade, but aptitude install xserver-xorg gives the same result. It downloads fine, but then goes to: Setting up xserver-xorg (7.1.0-5) And just sits there for literally hours (Athlon 2100+, I've left it over night and it still never finishes). If I Ctrl+C, I get: dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--configure): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt) Errors were encountered while processing: xserver-xorg E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Setting up xserver-xorg (7.1.0-5) ... And it seems to try again, and freeze again. Ctrl+C-ing again gives: dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg (--configure): subprocess post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt) Errors were encountered while processing: xserver-xorg And then it terminates. aptitude is never even in the top ten processes according to top. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xorg not installing
Hi folks. For the past week or so, every time I try to aptitude update/upgrade my Sid box, the upgrade process hangs when processing xserver-xorg. It simply freezes when processing that package until I Ctrl+C it. I know Sid breaks periodically, but it's been over a week on two different repositories. Has anyone else seen this? I'm afraid to restart KDE or X at this point for fear of it not coming back up again. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Deleted on server error in KMail
On Tuesday 05 September 2006 02:58, Pierre Habouzit wrote: Any idea what's going on? Should I be worried about data loss here? Is this a KMail problem or IMAP server problem? to complement what Fathi said: it asks you (before actually doing so) if it's ok to delete messages on your IMAP server, each time that it does a d-imap sync. So if it does not happen just after that you deleted some message in some folders, then it's a problem. It happens separately for different folders, and doesn't seem to correspond to recently-deleted mail. It has asked about my Sent folder many times (from which I NEVER delete anything), various mailing lists (which I clean out periodically, but haven't recently), pretty much anything that has mail filtered into it directly, I think. I don't believe it's happened to any folders that don't get new entries except by me manually moving mail. The error is also not asking about deleting mail on the server. It's saying that mail has been deleted on the server, and asks if it's OK to delete locally. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Deleted on server error in KMail
Hi folks. For the past 3 days or so, when my KMail sync with an IMAP account, I frequently get an error to the effect of Messages in folder X were deleted on the server. Delete them locally? It then lists several UIDs, which don't seem to have any pattern. I am fairly certain that nothing is being deleted, as regardless of whether I click Yes or No it doesn't seem like anything is removed, at least from my local copy. (I'm using Disconnected IMAP so that my local filters work.) But every time it complains it blocks the IMAP process, and if I'm away from my computer at the time, it means it blocks it until I come back and push a button. Any idea what's going on? Should I be worried about data loss here? Is this a KMail problem or IMAP server problem? Running Debian Sid, KMail 1.9.4 using KDE 3.5.4. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lime-wire
On Sunday 18 June 2006 16:17, Tim Folger wrote: - debian-kde@lists.debian.org,: hi Is there anyway to run lime-wire in konqurer or is there another good file-sharing programe i could install in konqurer to download music and media You might try apollon. I haven't been able to get Apollon or gIFT working properly with anything but the OpenFT network in a year. The Debian package, even in Sid, was insanely out of date the last time I checked. It was a nice program when it actually still worked. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: aRts crashes playing streams
On Tuesday 16 May 2006 08:54, Derek Broughton wrote: Sorry, you're right arts _is_ the ALSA selection - but any _other_ options I try end up with something getting exclusive access to the sound card. Which leaves your assertion, that arts is awful and ALSA works, incomprehensible to me. -- derek I believe the history is that arts dates from when the kernel used the OSS module as its sound system. OSS was very basic and couldn't handle multiple streams. arts was written as a wrapper layer to allow the sound system to actually have modern functionality. arts also allowed portability to non-Linux systems, eg, *BSD. Then, in 2.6 the kernel switched to the ALSA module as its main sound system, and was able of being a modern and proper sound system on its own. Meanwhile, the arts maintainer wandered off to Neverneverland, and various other similar and better maintained systems cropped up (gstreamer, improved support directly in xine, etc.). So now arts is years out of date, and everyone else has caught up and moved forward. Then plan is to fix it in KDE 4 by rm -rf-ing arts and replacing it with Phonon, which will be a thin wrapper for the backend of the user's choice (gstreamer, xine, yadda yadda) while still giving developers and easy KDE-esque API. Until then, play with the engine select boxes until you find a combination that works, because it makes little sense beyond that. :-) At least that's my understanding of the history involved. IANAKD (I Am Not A KDE Developer). -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5 taskbar usability issue
On Sunday 23 April 2006 15:55, Larry Garfield wrote: Please try to take a look at the configuration options. There is one to enable alphabetic sorting with respect to the task names. However, strange that you work desktop oriented, not task oriented... Ah, thank you! I don't know how I missed that checkbox when I was playing with the drop down right below it. :-) A follow-up here. It seems that while that has solved the group-by-program problem (yay!), it has not solved the group-by-desktop issue. I *do* want any windows that are set to All Desktops to be listed first, always. The only way I see to group by desktop now, though, is to show windows from all desktops to enable that checkbox. Of course, that means 30+ windows on one taskbar, and rather defeats the purpose of multiple desktops, IMHO. Any suggestions? -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE 3.5 taskbar usability issue
Since upgrading to KDE 3.5 in Sid, I've noticed that the logic for the taskbar in Kicker has changed considerably. In 3.4, the order in which windows were listed was first by desktop (with All Desktops first), then by order opened. In 3.5, though, they're now grouped by application. I don't mean the pop-up Windows XP-style grouping, that's turned off, but all Konqueror windows are next to each other, all KMail windows are next to each other, etc. Is there any way to revert to the older 3.4 ordering? I absolutely loath the new organization with a passion, because it means I can never FIND my windows. I often have many open at once and like to have them at a known location on the taskbar so I can find them more easily. Now they're all over the place and keep moving (in practice). Ideally it would be nice if I could manually reorder them, but I'd settle for the 3.4 behavior. Anyone know how I can get the older, better behavior back? -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5 taskbar usability issue
On Sunday 23 April 2006 14:34, Jan De Luyck wrote: Anyone know how I can get the older, better behavior back? Configure it :) open kcontrol, Desktop - Taskbar, there you've got the option 'Group Similar Tasks', which I think is the one you're looking for. Nope. That's the clustering into a single popup menu a la Windows XP, which is something else. I already have that set to Never. This is another kind of grouping that I want to get rid of as well. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5 taskbar usability issue
On Sunday 23 April 2006 14:57, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Ideally it would be nice if I could manually reorder them, but I'd settle for the 3.4 behavior. Anyone know how I can get the older, better behavior back? Please try to take a look at the configuration options. There is one to enable alphabetic sorting with respect to the task names. However, strange that you work desktop oriented, not task oriented... Ah, thank you! I don't know how I missed that checkbox when I was playing with the drop down right below it. :-) And I do work task-oriented, but my tasks are not application-limited. I'm a web developer, so I'll have a Kate window, Konqueror (browser) window, Konqueror (file manager) window, GIMP window, etc. open all at once. I don't want all of the konqueror windows clustered together, especially when I'll have five open to different sites (the site I'm working on, references, a site I'm studying, etc.) and it's confusing if they're all together instead of nicely spaced out. I also like my common tasks, like KMail or Gaim, to always be on all desktops. That also then puts those flush-left, always, which makes more grouping sense to me. Once again, thanks! -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5 taskbar usability issue
On Sunday 23 April 2006 16:19, Florian Kulzer wrote: I also like my common tasks, like KMail or Gaim, to always be on all desktops. That also then puts those flush-left, always, which makes more grouping sense to me. Have you ever tried the kompose package? It is similar to Exposé for Mac OS X. With a keyboard shortcut (or a configurable mouse movement) you get a graphical overview of all application windows, grouped by desktop. Then you can just click on the one you want. A very nice way to switch to the right window if you are a visual person. Toyed with it briefly. Didn't really care for it, but then I don't care for Expose, or really anything Mac for that matter. :-) (Expose is a solution to the losing too many windows problem, which systems that have a proper task bar and proper Alt-Tab support don't have in the first place.) Kompose also doesn't allow for keyboard-based switching, AFAIK. Yes, I'm a very visual person who likes screen placement to be just right, and then does everything with a keyboard whenever possible. I don't claim to make complete sense, but that's how I work. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
KMail issues
I've a couple of issues with KMail recently I was hoping someone could help me with here. This is on Sid, KDE 3.5.1. First, a while back I accidentally enabled the HTML formatting toolbar. I hit a wrong key or something. Fine, I disable it from the Settings | Toolbars menu. Except that every time I open a new compose window now, it's back. I can't get it to go away and stay away. I have't found a setting in the Settings pages to make it leave and stay away. Any ideas? At pretty much the same time, as-you-type spellchecking stopped working. I now get a nice little message in the status bar at the bottom of the window, As-you-type spell checking disabled. I don't want it disabled. I want it very much enabled. Again, I haven't been able to find a setting to change it. Also same time (notice a pattern emerging?), the font used by the compose window seemed to shrink. I think it's using an HTML-intended font, but I'm not certain. It could just be my imagination. :-) I don't know what the correct default font should be, though, especially considering that I want my computer incapable of sending HTML-fubared email at all. All suggestions welcome. Thanks. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting KMail's To Do flag
On Friday 17 March 2006 06:46, Matej Cepl wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: On a related note, what exactly is sieve? I've seen Debian packages for it, and KMail mentions it, but I haven't found any decent documentation on how exactly to USE it. It *appears* to be a client-controlled, server-implemented set of filters. If I'm right, then I really would like to know how to use it. :-) If not, then what exactly is it? It is what you think it is, but the biggest problem is that it has to be supported by the IMAP server (which is not that common) and even more important it has to be set available by the server administrator (I have never met IMAP server which would allow me to use SIEVE). Hm. Well, I run my own IMAP server so I can set up whatever I need. I just haven't found any decent info on doing so. Do you know where I could find any? (Preferably that doesn't start with first change these thousand settings and compile.) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting KMail's To Do flag
I have a very similar setup myself, with the same problem. (Sarger/postfix/courier-imap mail server and KDE 3.5/Sid desktop on the same LAN.) In 3.4, I had the same problem but according to top kio_imap was the biggest process. In 3.5 it seems to be kmail. The resulting symptoms are the same, however. Auto-checking email every 5 minutes means that every 5 minutes my computer (Athlon 2100+, so not a pushover) starts going all herky jerky. KMail is barely usable, as scrolling skips all over the place in spurts. I can't use normal IMAP, because last I heard normal IMAP does not support filtering of emails from the IMAP inbox to another IMAP folder. It only does that with disconnected IMAP. This has been a problem for a long time. I do not know what the cause or solution is, sadly, but if anyone else knows I'd love to find out. On Thursday 16 March 2006 15:49, Steven Ihde wrote: Hi, I hope someone can suggest a solution to my problem. I want to maintain a cached copy of email on my laptop disk so I can: 1. Set KMail's To Do flag (or something similar) while at work, and then 2. deal with mails marked To Do while I'm on the train with no net connectivity. Using KMail's disconnected IMAP seems like it should work. There's just one problem -- checking for new mail is so slow it's unusable. It takes more than five minutes to do one check for mail -- every time. It spends most of the time in the uploading status of messages phase. I have about 16000 messages in the folder -- should I expect dimap to perform well in this situation? Using KMail's regular imap, a check for new mail on the same folder is virtually instantaneous. I also tried using the script offlineimap to maintain a cache on the laptop disk. But the problem here is that KMail doesn't propagate the To Do flag (or any other flags except the basic read/unread status AFAICT) to the server, so the cached copy doesn't get the flag status. :-( Is there a way to force KMail to store the flags on the server instead of in its cached copy of the headers? BTW, the IMAP server is Courier running on a sarge box, and is under my control if it makes any difference. Thanks, Steve -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting KMail's To Do flag
On Thursday 16 March 2006 23:12, Matej Cepl wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: I can't use normal IMAP, because last I heard normal IMAP does not support filtering of emails from the IMAP inbox to another IMAP folder. It only does that with disconnected IMAP. It should be OK IMHO with KDE 3.5.1. Hm, that would be nice. Should clear up some disk space, too. I'll experiment and see if that's the case. (Have to be careful to not lose anything just in case the current sync isn't perfect.) On a related note, what exactly is sieve? I've seen Debian packages for it, and KMail mentions it, but I haven't found any decent documentation on how exactly to USE it. It *appears* to be a client-controlled, server-implemented set of filters. If I'm right, then I really would like to know how to use it. :-) If not, then what exactly is it? -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE, Debian and USB drives.
Martin, That thread was actually just being discussed over the past week, and some of us still have trouble. :-) As near as I can figure: 1) You want a very recent kernel (2.6.12 or later, I think), udev, hal, and pmount. 2) You do NOT want usbmount or hotplug, as those are deprecated despite still being in the archive and installing without complaining. 3) You do want to wait a few days for the latest version of udev to get checked in and become available, as it fixes a bug that keeps it from working with USB drives. :-) At least that's my understanding, and I hope that waiting a few days will finally get my expletive deleted USB card reader to work. To be fair, since you're writing an article, this is what happens when you run a devel edition of a distro. Sid, Mandriva Cooker, Red Hat Rawhide (or whatever the call it), I suspect you'd get similar here today, gone tomorrow issues with any of them. And yes, real documentation on what the current recommended setup is this week to make removable media work in Linux in a way that's not 30 years out of date is extremely lacking. It wasn't that long ago thot hotplug was The Answer. It's not a Debian-specific problem, it's just that Sid doesn't have a do it this way and shaddup pre-configured setup the way Fedora/SuSE/Mandriva/Kubuntu do so we notice it more when the mood changes this week. --Larry Garfield On Thu, February 2, 2006 9:40 am, EmIscA said: If you read the archives of this mailing list you will find all the informations you want. Bye Martin Lefebvre ha scritto: Hi, I'm new to the list, so I'll apologize in advanced if this was already covered :P I just installed Debian as part of an experiment as I'm writing an article about it for a Linux forums site. I have just come across a problem that I am unsure how to resolve: if I insert a CD/DVD in the PC, it gets mounted automatically, and is available in media:/ and in the Storage Device kicker applet as well. How can I do this with a USB drive as well? From what I have read, using HAL and udev should be enough to accomplish that. I have done many searches on google, but the results were less than satisfying. Many links pointed to hotplug, which according to my last update is deprecated, and was removed. Other sites just gave me information, but managed to contradict themselves, and wouldn't be of help. Can anyone give me pointers to up to date documentation regarding this issue, like Debian howto or something? In case it helps, I'm using Debian unstable, apt-get upgrade'd last night (Feb 1st). Thanks alot -- Martin Lefebvre eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: https://sigterm.homeunix.com Registered Linux #349269 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT dpu s:-- a- C+++ UL P-- L E--- W+++ N++ o-- K- w--- O- M-- V-- PS PE Y PGP-- t+++ 5- X R- tv++ b+ DI-- D+ G-- e h++ r++ y** --END GEEK CODE BLOCK-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE medium type notification does not work any more for the USB stick
On Tuesday 31 January 2006 17:19, Adrián Santos wrote: Have a look at the thread 'Problems with hal, devices and udev' starting 23-01-2006, it's probably the same issue. Try purging the 'usbmount' package if you have it installed. It doesn't work for me ... Same here. It seems this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=350762 Hm. I've been following this and the referenced thread, as I've had similar issues. Would the USB stick bug also affect multi-card USB readers, and other USB storage devices like ZIP drives? (I don't think I've ever had my multi-card reader working properly for more than a day...) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: Spellchecker accepts too many incorrectly spelled words
On Sunday 08 January 2006 02:01 pm, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: Something which bugs me immensely about kde 3.4 is the spell checker. In 3.3 when you were typing an email or filling in a web form. Automatic spellchecking would turn itself off after you typed in about 10 misspelled words. In kde 3.4 this has changed so now it will accept a lot more.. perhaps 50 words. So that's why the spellchecker only sometimes turns on for me... And here I thought it was a bug. :-) Is there a way to configure the number of errors before it gives up on me? I often am quoting previous posts by someone else that have a dozen errors in them already, so I don't get any spellchecking assistance on my own post, which is badness. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: kmail corrupts emails [solved]
On Monday 26 September 2005 11:30 am, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Montag, 26. September 2005 14:07 schrieb Randy Kramer: Is there / will there ever be a fix for this? Sure, rename your inbox to some other folder and let kmail recreate it as maildir. maildir does not has such problems because every e-mail is a seperate file. Speed then depends on the used filesystem (e.g. for lots of small files if you only have short text mails). Maildir is usually faster for mailboxes with lots of (big) attachments. HS I'm having/had a similar problem (hasn't happened recently, but I'm still concerned about it), but I use Maildir locally in KMail. It's an IMAP account, and the IMAP server (which I also run) is also using Maildir. There's no mbox anywhere, AFAIK. Why would I be having similar nullified email problems, if mbox is the culprit? -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: AW: Running KDE 3.4.2 with Transparent Windows
Hm. If I enable RenderAccel, Xorg shoots up to 99% of the CPU time while the splash screen is showing and never finishes booting. The mouse works, but that's it. I have to log in over ssh and kill -9 the Xorg process by hand. Without that set, the transparency and shadow effects are there but the system is also unusably slow. Any idea what the issue could be? My card is an NVidia GeForce3, using their proprietary driver installed the debian way. Thanks. On Saturday 24 September 2005 12:08 pm, Mart van Santen wrote: Here also no problems, please be sure to enable the RenderAccel and AllowGLXWithComposite option in xorg.conf/XF86Config Before I enabled RenderAccel it was unusable slow. This is my config (only device, module and section settings): Section Device Identifier NVIDIA Corporation NV40 [GeForce 6200 TurboCache] Driver nvidia BusID PCI:1:0:0 Option AllowGLXWithComposite true Option RenderAccel true EndSection Section Module Loadbitmap Loaddbe Loadddc Loadextmod Loadfreetype Loadglx Loadint10 Loadrecord Loadtype1 Loadvbe EndSection Section Extensions Option Composite true EndSection Regards, Mart -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kmail corrupts emails
Would two filters, one on the client and one on the server, have the same effect? I've had this problem as well, and AFAIK I'm not using bogofilter anywhere but I do have spamassassin on my server as well as on my KMail client. On Friday 23 September 2005 03:55 am, Børre Gaup wrote: Bearjadat, čakčamánu 23. b. 2005 10:16, Theo Schmidt čálii: Help! As I write, kmail is generating lots of unkown subject, unknown date, unknown everything mails and lots of my old mails seem to be corrupted, mainly headers gone. I can't find anything on the internet. Anybody come across this? Suggestions? Please copy any answer to schmidt at umwelteinsatz.ch Theo Schmidt I experienced this behavior when I used two antispam filters (spamassassin and bogofilter). Look into the filter rules and remove the spamassassin or the bogofilter rules. Hope it works :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: winkey (tuxkey) for launching k-menu problem
On Thursday 18 August 2005 11:26 pm, Kchula-Rrit wrote: Thanks- I found this through Google after losing my winkey when I upgraded to KDE 3.4 in RedHat. You know, without the space in there that line is just SO wrong... Or maybe I'm just disturbed. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
konq-plugins vs. kdelibs-data
I am living dangerously and running Sid with the Alioth KDE 3.4.1 packages. For the most part it's been reasonably stable, but I have run into an apt-snag. kdeaddons will not upgrade or install, because it depends on konq-plugins = 3.3.2. konq-plugins 3.3.2 is available (via sarge), but it won't install because it is: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/mimelnk/application/x-webarchive.desktop', which is also in package kdelibs-data I've tried apt-get -f and aptitude -f on konq-plugins, and moving/removing that file. It still refuses to install konq-plugins, which in turn holds various other things back (and of course means I don't have konq-plugins installed). Uninstalling and reinstalling kdelibs-data, of course, would take with it nearly all of KDE, so I haven't done that. :-) Any advice on how to unjam apt without totally blowing away KDE and starting from scratch? -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automounter in KDE
On Thursday 11 August 2005 09:13 am, serja wrote: This has been a long thread which has left me none the wiser. Could somebody sum up the present conclusions or point to an easy-to-understand resource on present KDE, Debian or Linux mounting philosophy? I think developers from kernel.org not really support the idea of automounting and they definitely not support the unplugging / hardware eject of removable media thingies without umounting them. And that, of course, is the core problem. Yes, removing stuff without unmounting it is a problem that is not solved without eliminating write-behind cache. Fine. But when I plug in my multi-slot USB card reader, it should automatically create logical, consistent names for each slot independently and then mount them as needed. There is, in 2005, simply no excuse for that to not work automatically. Yet, when I do so, I have to first spend an hour with udev's various not-well-named-or-documented tools to figure out what the heck it is and how to identify it, then write a udev rule that I hope works. Then when I insert a card, I first have to unplug and replug the reader so that it notices (no joke), then wait about 15 seconds while nothing happens, then try to mount the device (generally using KDE 3.4's media:/ IOSlave these days, but whatever). That's about a paragraph too long. And that's on Debian with KDE. Fedora with Gnome, SuSE with fvwm, it would likely be different. This is very much a hardware-software interface issue, which means it's a kernel issue. Whether the tool itself is in user space or kernel space architecturally, the fault for removable media still sucking lies with the kernel team. This is a problem they should be solving, not punting to a half-dozen half-baked, incompatible bandaids. (And yes, that's what even media:/ is.) GNU doesn't have a problem with removable media. Linux, the kernel, sucks for removable media. And until the kernel devs get out of the 1970s, that's not going to change. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automounter in KDE
On Thursday 11 August 2005 01:22 pm, serja wrote: GNU doesn't have a problem with removable media. Linux, the kernel, sucks for removable media. And until the kernel devs get out of the 1970s, that's not going to change. but the problem is that GNU is nothing without Linux kernel. And things with removable media should be done on kernel side. I won't argue the first point. I was merely clarifying that the problem is not with Linux the system, how 99% of the world uses the word Linux, but with Linux the kernel, the specific piece of software available on kernel.org. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automounter in KDE
On Thursday 11 August 2005 02:19 pm, serja wrote: About multiuser OS theory I've read in suse faq: Q: why can't I simply remove the CD from drive without umount it first? A: because it's a multiuser OS and if you simply remove the CD without umounting it first the other users can't read it! *** Isn't it an excuse rather that theory? :) And whats happen if I umount it first and that remove? For other users the result will be the same. :) SuSE is only giving you half the story. Even in a single-user environment, you have to mount and unmount if you have write-behind caching[1] enabled, which it is by default on all drives under Linux. It's not unmounting that bothers me, though. It's mounting in the first place. That has nada to do with single- vs. multi-user OS design, and everything to do with kernel developers who haven't realized that the 70s are over and not everything is either a fixed drive or badly-implemented network share. [1] Wire-behind caching is where the OS queues up stuff to write to disk, then tells you that it's done before it actually is. It then gets to actually writing the data out when it gets around to it, which may well be after you've given it a dozen more write commands for the same disk, which overall saves time. If the device disappears or the system crashes before it gets around to it, though, you lose data. The sync command force-flushes all of those caches for various disks, and journaling file systems are intended, in part, to address the potential for badness when that happens. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automounter in KDE
On Thursday 11 August 2005 04:55 pm, Randy Kramer wrote: Thanks! Not sure that's the perfect solution, but it sure sounds like a step in the right direction--thinking of a way to accomplish something rather than reasons to not accomplish something. Also, in terms of numbers, I wonder how many Linux systems have a single (vs. multiple) real (i.e., human) users? Maybe we need a single user and a multiuser Linux (OS and kernel?)? False. Single-user means a single security space. One key reason that Windows is historically so insecure is that it's a single security space, and programs are written to assume that so you really can't operate any other way. If you're splitting admin mode and non-admin mode, then you already have a multi-user system. Artificially limiting the system to just one non-admin accomplishes nothing. I've never had a problem with my multi-user OS used by a single user that has been the result of it being a multi-user OS. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Automounter in KDE
On Thursday 11 August 2005 07:38 pm, Derek Broughton wrote: Larry Garfield wrote: False. Single-user means a single security space. One key reason that Windows is historically so insecure is that it's a single security space, and programs are written to assume that so you really can't operate any other way. While that's true, it puts the lie to the quoted FAQ's reason about why you shouldn't just be able to eject a CD. If you only need multi-user to separate security spaces, there's no reason not to let just anybody eject the CD. To put the blame once again on the kernel dev team (not that I dislike them, I just think they're way off when it comes to removable media), limiting who can change the hardware configuration of the system is not an unreasonable thing from a security standpoint. That was doubly true when all mounted devices were hard drives, network shares, or core memory. We've still not figured out how to make multi-user work with removable media in general. :-) -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Gmail Konqueror?
On Monday 25 July 2005 04:43 pm, Douglas Stanley Jr. wrote: On Monday 25 July 2005 04:32 pm, Robert Tilley wrote: Why does Gmail continue to tell me: If you wish a better Gmail experience, use a supported browser? I guess Google doesn't think Konq is worth supporting, that it's market share isn't high enough. Considering Google's roots, and the kind of people that work there, I'm a bit surprised at that. In Google's defense, I've not been able to get decent Ajax (XmlHttpRequest) working under Konqueror, either. I don't know any Ajax-using site that supports Konqueror. Mayhaps if Konqueror supported Mozilla-style XmlHttpRequest objects, it would support these new fangled features. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth
To the best of my knowledge (I am not a maintainer or developer), the process is something like this: 1) Wait for gcc 4 transition to be complete in Sid. 2) Wait for Xorg to be available on all platforms in Sid. 3) Recompile KDE 3.4.1 for both of the above and move into Sid. The alioth packages are compiled for gcc 3 and XFree86. So mixing those with gcc4 and Xorg causes Bad Things(tm) to happen. In my case, sound is so delayed that listening to music is almost impossible. I'm sure others have their own unique stories of weirdness. Hopefully #1 and #2 won't take too much longer, as I miss my music. :-) I've not a clue what the time table is for any of that, though. For now, avoid the upgrade command. ;-) On Saturday 23 July 2005 02:02 am, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: Does anybody know what's going on with KDE 3.4.1 in sid? Since the xorg server came into sid, alioth packages of KDE 3.4.1 has been broken for me. Now xorg seems to be running ok on both my systems, so what is the latest thinking on what is going to happen with KDE? Will there be new packages on alioth that are xorg compatible or is KDE 3.4.1 going into sid? I know this is why they named it unstable/experimental.. Just asking if anyone knows what is going on. Anders -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: KDE 3.4.1 in sid/alioth
On Saturday 23 July 2005 02:50 am, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: For now, avoid the upgrade command. ;-) Wyy too late for that I'm afraid. ;) I am running xorg with Enlightenment right now using Mozilla Firefox/Thunderbird for my communication and browsing needs. This is probably a solved problem that I just don't know about yet, but is there any sort of push- or subscription-based method for getting status updates on Sid's (lack of) stability? The last time I asked in #Debian I was told you come into IRC and ask, which I find to be a significantly less than optimal solution, particularly for the IRC regulars who then have to answer questions over and over again. :-) I'm not thinking of anything fancy; just, say, an announce mailing list that gets messages like: We're starting the gcc 4 ABI transition tomorrow. Stuff will be broken for a long time as we slowly recompile the entire tree. apt-get upgrade is a very bad idea for now, unless you like submitting bug reports (which are always welcome). Gnome 2.10 entered Sid today. It should all work properly, but no promises. Xorg enters Sid tomorrow. Before upgrading, PLEASE read the upgrade guide at http://someurl/; That would be a good way to reduce the number of redundant questions in IRC and on lists like these, as well as a way for the cutting edge folks to not slit their wrists by accident. (And if they do anyway, then they can't say they weren't warned. g) Anyway, does something like that already exist? If so, where? If not, would there be any interest in creating something like that? A mailing list or RSS feed would be most sensible, I'd think. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
Well, there is a certain logic to it. Sid is explicitly not intended for production use (although many, including myself, get away with it without too man problems). So, if given the choice between these two options: - Upgrade package XYZ - Switch to gcc 4 - Recompile/debug package XYZ under gcc 4 - Switch to Xorg - Recompile/debug package XYZ for Xorg -or- - Switch to gcc 4 - Switch to Xorg - Recompile/debug package XYZ for Xorg and gcc 4 It makes perfect sense that the Debian maintainers would go with the option that means less work for them but ends up in the same place in the end. The whole point of Sid is that they make that decision rather than the other way around. That's what unstable means in practice: Unsupported, bugs will get fixed when convenient for the maintainer, not when convenient for the user. On Saturday 16 July 2005 12:37 pm, Anders Breindahl wrote: On Saturday 16 July 2005 05:11, Josh Metzler wrote: There is also the gcc 4.0 transition going on and the xfree86 - x.org transition. The current plan is that qt3 and then kde 3.4 will be uploaded once x.org has built on all architectures. I plan to wait on upgrading anything x or kde related until kde 3.4 is available, assuming that that will indicate the transitions that affect me will be made. You may want to do the same. It is rather disturbing, that errors in libraries in unstable is not prioritized any higher than the ongoing transitions. You can of course upgrade, but you'll need to manually install the old kdelibs-packages (-6.1). They'll be upgraded next time too, AFAIK. Annoying. But then again, that's ``unstable'' for you. Regards, Anders Breindahl. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: safe to upgrade sid?
KMail is behaving itself for me (Sid + Alioth), but right now konq-plugins and kdeaddons are conflicting with each other, even though kdeaddons requires konq-plugins. :-) (I think it's because for some reason apt-get show gives konq-plugins 3.4.0pre2 while apt-get install gives konq-plugins 3.3.something. Not sure why). My sound system is also very jerky all of a sudden. I think at the moment, best advice is to not upgrade Sid until it has settled down more, unless you're fixing a specific problem. (Of course I now have several of my own doing. g) On Friday 15 July 2005 08:16 pm, Tim Folger wrote: Has anyone upgraded sid within the last few days without encountering the segfault with kmail? Does the upgrade still break kmail? Tim -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading KDE and it's dependencies
On Wednesday 06 July 2005 08:54 am, Derek Broughton wrote: I've concluded that apt-get (much as I've loved it for years) is obsolete. Aptitude from the command line is better - yet command compatible. It's definitely going to screw things up, though, if you're using both. Joy. OK, sell me on using aptitude exclusively. I've been using apt-get for 2 years on this system and it's worked well enough for me. I don't like aptitude's GUI, so I'll be using it on the command line either way. Why should I use aptitude, and what brakes if I mix and match? -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Juk crashes on cover art lookup
in KApplication::notify () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #31 0xb6e7bd89 in KAccelEventHandler::x11Event () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #32 0xb6dfcbbf in KApplication::x11EventFilter () from /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 #33 0xb67463c8 in qt_set_x11_event_filter () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #34 0xb67500bb in QApplication::x11ProcessEvent () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #35 0xb6767254 in QEventLoop::processEvents () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #36 0xb67d01d8 in QEventLoop::enterLoop () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #37 0xb67d0088 in QEventLoop::exec () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #38 0xb67be071 in QApplication::exec () from /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 #39 0x080c8b82 in main () -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ooo in kde
That's odd. It doesn't crash anything for me; It just doesn't do anything. :-) On Tuesday 28 June 2005 02:25 am, Marco Calviani wrote: I've got your very same error. Regards, MC Žáček Kryštof wrote: Interesting. I have just tried it. The KDE dialog opens for a fraction of second and then it crashes :-( KDE 3.4.1, fresh up-to-date unstable -Original Message- From: Jan De Luyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:25 PM To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Cc: Ritesh Raj Sarraf Subject: Re: ooo in kde On Monday 27 June 2005 21:16, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: Even the open dialog box isn't that of KDE which is what I expected to be. Else what is similar in it to KDE ? You need to change a setting in Openoffice too: Menu Tools Options Openoffice.org General Deactivate 'Use Openoffice.org dialogs' Jan -- I distinctly remember forgetting that. -Clara Barton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson
Re: CD-ROM eject
The 2.6.8 and 2.6.9 kernels were horribly buggy. It's really unfortunate that Debian decided to keep 2.6.8 for the sarge launch. Hopefully an RC release later on will switch to a more stable kernel. Before you try work-arounds for Konqueror, try upgrading to 2.6.10 or 2.6.11. They're far more stable. (Either the pre-packaged Debian ones or fresh copies from kernel.org. I prefer the latter, but either should work.) On Sunday 26 June 2005 02:07 pm, Serja wrote: I use the default 2.6.8-2-686 Debian kernel. I have only a dvd reader. Since I've found that the krusader filemanager work correctly in that case, I think this is a bug in konqueror or any other kde utility, because in gnome it work as it should work. Well probably gonna use something like sysctl -w dev.cdrom.lock=0 to fix it somehow. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 6817012 If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. -- Thomas Jefferson -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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