Simple way to downgrade libc6 (fix Konqueror, Mozilla and Galeon problems)

[Mark Purcell]

Given the current interest in downgrading libc6, to enable unstable
Konqueror, Mozilla or Galeon to function correctly, I thought I
would post the simplest method of downgrade.

# apt-get install libc6=2.2.4-1

This of course assumes you have testing listed in your apt.sources:

deb http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian testing main

Please ensure you use your local mirror for testing...

For full details please consult apt-get(8).

For those who are interested in the problem with libc6, please
look at:

http://bugs.debian.org/libc6

Hope this is of some help... I know I have been scratching my head for
the last couple of days trying to work out what is wrong...

Mark


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Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

[Mark Purcell]

On Tue, Jan 01, 2002 at 06:50:03PM +0900, Junichi Uekawa wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:39:07 +1100 Mark Purcell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > The solution is rather simple, requiring recompilation to
> > get the correct linkage to libpng3, but it would of been nice to
> > see some dicussion on debian-devel before the upload of
> > libpng3 to unstable 'broke' all our pacakges.
> 
> Do you call that solution pretty simple?

Well it is simple once you know about it.  I have two complaints as
a maintainer of a couple of libpng dependant packages.

1.  Why hasn't there been any discussion on debian-devel to actually 
let maintainers know that there is this major backwards incompatibility issue, 
which is going to create all sorts of user problems.  The only reports I 
have seen sofar are Bug#126808 and Bug#126904.  Have a look in debian-kde 
'where have my icons gone threads' to guage the amount of confusion this 
issue is causing.

2.  What measures are in place to prevent such a monster change
as caused by the uncontrolled introduction of libpng3??

This is a big issue, I'm stll suprised there has been zero discussion
about this and the implications for developers of libpng dependant packages.

> We have around 300+ packages depending on libpng2, 
> which amounts to more than 1000 rebuilds.
> And we don't have the incompatibility information in
> our dependency system, which means that it will fail to trickle 
> into "testing".

The incompatibility as I see it from here is that any application
which depends on libpng2, is only good with libpng2 <= 1.0.12-2 and
upon recompiling will be dependant on libpng3.

libqt 2.3.1-18 has been recompiled and now depends on libpng3, but almost every
other package needs to be recompiled as well :-(

I understand that Philippe Troin, libpng maintainer, is currently on
vacation.  Perhaps someone more knowledgeable about the libpng issues 
could comment as this is only what I have been able to gather from the 
outside looking in.

Mark

Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

[Mark Purcell]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes:
> 
> That's the problem; there is just no real solution besides a big
> recompile.

My question still remains.  If we require a big recompile, when/ how are we 
going to bother to advise the maintainers of these packages? It has been 
stated that we are talking about 300+ packages :-(

Or are we going to do as we are currently and wait until users report vague
problems (these don't get straight forward bug reports - aka debian-kde 
confusion over the real problem).

Personally I would like to see an automated bug report stating what the 
issues are and how the maintainer can fix it. That's what I got during the 
last update to python and it made my life as a maintainer straight forward. 
Rather than having to guess some non-backwards compatable change in an 
dependant package.

Mark



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Re: Bug#127252: -unstable compiled against the wrong libpng

[Mark Purcell]

On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 01:06:21PM +0100, Noel Koethe wrote:
> On Mit, 02 Jan 2002, Mark Purcell wrote:
> 
> > > That's the problem; there is just no real solution besides a big
> > > recompile.
> > 
> > My question still remains.  If we require a big recompile, when/ how are we 
> > going to bother to advise the maintainers of these packages? It has been 
> > stated that we are talking about 300+ packages :-(
> 
> Maybe we could use: debian-devel-announce: Announcements for developers

I guess we could do something like that.

Problem is we still have lots of users who will be wondering where
their graphics have gone and will be filing bug reports against all sorts
of packages, as well as creating all sorts of bogus links to the
wrong shared libraies to work around the problem. (Have a look in debian-kde)

Then of course not every developer actually reads/ acts on devel-announce,
yes I know hard to believe isn't it.

I still think the only solution is to do the same as per python and 
automatically file bug reports/ conflicts with all pacakges which depend
on libpng2.  But I would be happy to be told otherwise.

Mark

Re: Bug#127252: kmerlin: Nope, it broke it

[Mark Purcell]

Ok I see what has happened now.

The libpng2/3 fiasco continues.

It appears that after having to recompile kmerlin to work with libqt2/libpng3
that they (maintainers of those pacakages) have decided that I again
have to recompile, but this time with libqt2/libpng2. :-(

I'll upload something in the next couple of days. If you are really 
desperate an `apt-get build-dep && apt-get source -b kmerlin` will
build your own kmerlin package for you which is usable.

Mark

Re: Bug#127252: kmerlin: Nope, it broke it

[Mark Purcell]

On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:38:31PM +1100, Daniel Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:38:47AM +1100, Mark Purcell wrote:
> Ivan decided that libpng3 was the way forward for libqt2 people, but
> then Chris (rightly, IMHO) decided that libqt2 would keep libpng2, and
> libqt3 would have libpng3.

Understood.

> > I'll upload something in the next couple of days. If you are really 
> > desperate an `apt-get build-dep && apt-get source -b kmerlin` will
> > build your own kmerlin package for you which is usable.
> 
> kdebase will be uploaded today and kdemultimedia tomorrow; the rest
> should be OK.

I still need to upload a libpng2 version of kmerlin as I jumped the
gun and uploaded a libpng3, which no longer works after libqt2
jumped there.

Mark

Re: Experimental KDE3 debs -- first impressions

[Mark Purcell]

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On Sun, 12 May 2002 20:50, Michael Spanier wrote:
> The install went not so smooth, but after explaining the situation clearly
> to dpkg and friendly by using --force-depends and --force-overwrite I was
> able to get a running kde3.

The instructions located at http://calc.cx/kde.txt expressly state that you 
should NEVER use --force stating that if you do 'you are likely to 
permanentaly break your system requiring a full reinstall'.

There is a good reason for this, if dpkg is telling you there is a conflict 
between packages you had better believe it!!   If dpkg is reporting a 
conflict the 'safe' option is to purge the installed conflicting package and 
then reattempt installation. As pointed out elsewhere this maywell mean that 
you will also be forced to uninstall other related packages such as xmms or 
other KDE packages, but such is life on the bleeding edge.

Remember these packages have not yet been integrated to provide a smooth 
upgrade path from the Debian KDE2 packages to Debian KDE3 packages.  The 
smooth upgrade should (will) be provided by the Debian KDE3 packages when 
they are offically included in the Debian distribution. Until then these 
packages which you are installing are not guarenteed to upgrade from KDE2 
smoothly.  Hence the instructions to purge all kdelibs3 and libarts packages 
before you even attempt installation.

> The only thing missing is noatun. I keeps crashing. Does anyone also have
> this problems?

noatun is working fine here, but then again I purged my existing libarts prior 
to installation.  Likely you --force-overwite the installation of libarts 
which may well mean you have all sorts of incompatible libarts libraries 
still sitting on your system trying to be used in an inconsistent manner, 
which would present the symptoms you report of noatun crashing.

I would suggest that you purge all your KDE packages, reinstall the KDE2 
packages, purge again and then install the KDE3 packages per the 
instructions.

Mark
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Re: KDE 3.0.1 packages

[Mark Purcell]

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On Wed, 15 May 2002 12:10, Kamil Kisiel wrote:
> WhizDNR-, the owner of the geniussystems.net domain has been having
> problems with his registrar or ISP, something along those lines, so the
> site is currently down. We did have two other mirrors going for a while,
> but neither of those seems to be up any more either.
>
> If anyone is interested in mirroring the KDE debs, please come to
> #debian-kde on openprojects.net and we can probably accomodate you.

What's wrong with putting them up on people.debian.org? Branden does it with 
XFree86, ChrisC did it for a little while with previous kde test debs, Ben 
does it with his KDE3 packages, I'm about to do it with mine. Others do bits 
and pieces.

I'd even be happy to stick what I got from geniussystems.net up under my own 
people.debian.org account.

Mark
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Kmerlin-1.0 for KDE3..

[Mark Purcell]

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On Wed, 15 May 2002 20:24, Jarno Elonen wrote:
> Please do! Someone! I've got a nasty situation with apt: some packages that
> were on the Geniussystems' server need "-f install" and apt-get refuses to
> do practically anything else before I get those from somewhere. Is there,
> btw, any way to manually tweak the apt database?

Looking on IRC there are replacements for the geniussystems achives available 
at :

deb http://kde.debian.co.nz/debian ./
deb http://www.ping.uio.no/~mortehu/kde-i386 ./

This allowed me to download the -dev packages I didn't get before 
geniussystems went down.

This also meant that I have been able to build kmerlin-1.0 and upload to 
http://people.debian.org/~msp/ for anyone who is after it. I'll upload 
kmerlin-1.0 to main once the KDE3 packages are available in main.

Mark
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KDE3 jpeg & konsole (was: gcc 3.1 and KDE3)

[Mark Purcell]

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On Mon, 20 May 2002 20:40, Marc Schiffbauer wrote:
> > > - I can see jpegs images in preview nor desktop wallpaper but int
> > > konqueror works well
>
> I have the same Problem. Does it work correctly for anybody else?

Works fine here!

Using KDE3 (Third round) debs from kde3.geniussystems.net, I can right click 
and successfuly view JPEG's with Kuickshow, KView and Embeddable Image 
Viewer, or Wallpaper.

> Why is bash broken? previous konsole Versions worked well. And it
> works on the text console.. so I think it might be an X or KDE
> issue...

Home/End don't work becuase of bash problems look at Bug#89026, #119491, 
#128687.

Full details http://calc.cx/kde

Mark
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Re: KDE 3.0.1 debs

[Mark Purcell]

On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 06:29:58PM +1000, David Fisher wrote:
> Can someone take pity and set me aright here please?

David,

Have a look at http://calc.cx/kde, the apt source line is there and is:

deb http://kde3.geniussystems.net/debian ./

Mark


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Re: i-touch key shortcut

[Mark Purcell]

On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 03:47:08PM +0200, =?ISO-8859-2?Q? Tom=E1=B9?= Potrusil 
wrote:
> Hi folks, 
> do you know how to bind in KDE3 internet keys on my 
> keyboard with some actions, eg. "start konqueror"... 
> I saw that KDE recognizes the keys, but I can bind them 
> only with actions like "switch to another desktop"... 

Have a look at LinEAK:

http://lineak.sourceforge.net

   Linux support for Easy Access and Internet Keyboards
  Documentation
   What exactly is LinEAK?
   LinEAK is a utility designed to enable the use and configuration
   of those special
   keys on Internet, Easy Access and Multimedia keyboards in Linux.
   It consists of three programs:
   lineakd: this is the daemon that configures the X keyboard map
   and listens for incoming events.
   lineakconfig: this is the GTK+ GUI, which provides easier
   configuration
   Klineakconfig: this is the KDE version of lineakconfig

Mark


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Re: kmerlin 1.0-1 package

[Mark Purcell]

On Sat, May 25, 2002 at 11:45:17AM +0100, Ra?l Alexis Betancort Santana wrote:
> 
>  Hi all, some days ago, someone post in this list and URL to fetch the
> kmerlin 1.0-1 .debs for KDE3, I lost that message and searching the
> debian-lists archive dont give me the URL, could someone resend it to
> me please?

That would of been me..

kmerlin-1.0 for KDE2 is loaded to unstable.
kmerlin-1.0 for KDE3 is loaded to http://people.debian.org/~msp/

Mark


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Re: KOffice 1.2-beta2 packages uploaded

[Mark Purcell]

On Sat, Jul 06, 2002 at 03:16:15PM +1000, Ben Burton wrote:
> Let me know if there are any problems.

Thanks for that Ben, seem to be running well here, just a wishlist thing.

You might like to include 'Suggests: wordnet' for koffice-libs.
Kthesaurus and thus kword are designed to provide extra functionality
if wordnet is available.

I also have an unrelated problem with kerning when I print either to
a printer or output to a ps/pdf file. In that I don't get consisent spacing
between words, and it appears that some words are joined together in
the printed copy, while they defintly have spaces when I enter them.
This is as displayed in print-preview and the final product. This is with 
something as simple as 'The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog' in 
Times font. 

I had the same problem with the previous versions of kword as well I
have found a issue on kde.org about PDF printing not being too high 
quality, but woudln't of thought it would effect PS output as well.

I have tried using CUPS/ lpd and had no joy getting a quality output.
Examples are available at http://purcell.homeip.net/~msp/kword/


Mark


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Re: configure error on debian woody kde 2.2.2

[Mark Purcell]

On Sun, Jul 28, 2002 at 02:35:44AM +0200, gerhard wrote:
> What Kind of Qt version in debian supports the OpenGL extension?
> I don't want to update now to KDE 3.1alpha to install 
> KPovModeler 0.2

I would suggest you also install the libqt-gl-dev package.

A good way to ensure you have all the dependancies installed is
to use apt-get build-dep

# apt-get build-dep libqt-gl-dev
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  libpng-dev libqt3-dev libqt3-mt-dev
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  binutils-dev byacc libpng2-dev xlibmesa-dev
0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 3 to remove and 1  not upgraded.
Need to get 1163kB of archives. After unpacking 26.1MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

Mark


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Debian kpovmodeler (was: configure error on debian woody kde 2.2.2)

[Mark Purcell]

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Gerhard,

Sorry about my last advice.  It seems that getting QT OpenGL support, KDE2 and 
QT2, under Debian is not going to be straight forward process, due to the way 
these packages have been complied to work together... I think you could get 
it to work, but that would involve recompiling most of those binary packages 
before you even get to work with kpovmodeller. It would also appear that this 
is a large part of the reason kpovmodeller has dumped QT Open GL requirement 
for later versions.

The good news however is that the KDE3 package is actually quite straight 
forward to build, even within Debian.  Of course this means you need KDE3 
installed according to http://calc.cx/kde.txt, which is something you said 
you wanted to avoid.

Anyway once you have KDE3 installed then to build the kpovmodeler-0.2 you will 
only need to have the following installed: glutg3-dev, libqt3-dev, 
kdelibs4-dev.

Or I have put together a quick and dirty .deb for the KDE3 version at 
http://people.debian.org/~msp/.  If there is enough interested I could tidy 
it up and install into the main archive for you (once KDE3 hits sid of 
course).

Mark



On Sun, 28 Jul 2002 12:05, gerhard wrote:
> Hi Mark,
>
> Am Sonntag, 28. Juli 2002 03:23 schrieb Mark Purcell:
> > libqt-gl-dev
>
> Thank you for the proposal to use the apt-get option build-dep
>
> debian:/home/gerhard/download/kpovmodeler/kpovmodeler-0.1.1#
> apt-get build-dep libqt-gl-dev
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   byacc
> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 36  not
> upgraded.
> 3 packages not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 30.8kB of archives. After unpacking 147kB will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
>
> Unfortunately I got no success :(
>
> debian:/home/gerhard/download/kpovmodeler/kpovmodeler-0.1.1# tail
> config.log
> [...]
> configure:8011: checking for the Qt OpenGL extension
> configure:8040: /bin/sh ./libtool --silent --mode=link g++ -o
> conftest -O2 -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new
> -I/usr/local/kde/include -I/usr/include/qt -I/usr/X11R6/include
> -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/lib  conftest.C  -lkdecore -lqt -lpng -lz
> -lm -ljpeg  -lXext -lX11 -lSM -lICE  -ldnet  1>&5
> /tmp/ccks0tEV.o: In function `main':
> /tmp/ccks0tEV.o(.text+0x23): undefined reference to
> `QGLWidget::QGLWidget(QWidget *, char const *, QGLWidget const *,
> unsigned int)'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> ciao
>
> gerhard
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Bug#157255: Konqueror SSL vunerability

[Mark Purcell]

Package: kdelibs3-crypto
Version: 4:2.2.2-6
Severity: critical
Tags: security upstream

http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20020818-1.txt

KDE Security Advisory: Konqueror SSL vulnerability
Original Release Date: 2002-08-18
URL: http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20020818-1.txt

0. References
http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/286290/2002-07-31/2002-08-06/0
http://online.securityfocus.com/archive/1/287050/2002-08-07/2002-08-13/2

1. Systems affected:

All versions of KDE up to and including KDE 3.0.2

2. Overview:

KDE's SSL implementation fails to check the basic constraints on
certificates and as a result may accept certificates as valid that were signed
by an issuer who was not authorized to do so.

3. Impact:

Users of Konqueror and other SSL enabled KDE software may fall victim
to a malicious man-in-the-middle attack without noticing. In such case the
user will be under the impression that there is a secure connection with a
trusted site while in fact a different site has been connected to.

4. Solution:

Upgrade kdelibs to KDE 3.0.3. A patch for KDE 2.2.2 is available as
well for users that are unable to upgrade to KDE 3.

5. Patch:
A patch for KDE 2.2.2 is available from 
ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/security_patches :

0e0da738b276567e9ee36aa824e86124  post-2.2.2-kdelibs-kssl.diff


-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux dell 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Fri Jun 7 06:12:37 UTC 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Versions of packages kdelibs3-crypto depends on:
pn  kdelibs3 Not found.
ii  libc62.2.5-14GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libssl0.9.6  0.9.6g-2SSL shared libraries
ii  libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2   1:2.95.4-11 The GNU stdc++ library
ii  zlib1g   1:1.1.4-3   compression library - runtime

-- no debconf information

Re: KDE 3.0.3 packages uploaded

[Mark Purcell]

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Try the following in your /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://people.debian.org/~branden/sid/i386 ./   # XFree4.2
deb http://download.us.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.0.3/Debian ./   # KDE 3.0.3


Mark
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Re: KDE 3.0.3 packages uploaded

[Mark Purcell]

On Tue, Aug 20, 2002 at 02:39:43PM +0100, Nick Sanders wrote:
> Try it, honestly the first line doesn't work maybe they have changed 
> something 
> recently. In both cases the Packages.gz file is found but with the first one 
> the apt can't find the actual packages.

Thanks Nick.

You are quite right...

Mark

Re: kde3.1-beta1

[Mark Purcell]

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> >You can look in:
> >http://cgi.algonet.se/htbin/cgiwrap/pgd/debian
> >which leads you to my ftp area containing KDE3.1-beta
...
> >-- Karolina

Karolina,

Great work, they seem to work well here.

I for one would like to see these uploaded to the Debian experimental 
distribution.

Mark
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Re: KMail Only Works Once Per Session

[Mark Purcell]

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On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 23:12, Robert Tilley wrote:
> I'm running KDE 3.1 beta and have noticed something very strange with KMail
> -- It will only download mail _once_ per KDE session.  If I try to fetch
> mail again, it does nothing.

Running KDE3.1 (Karolina's debs, excellent work!) here as well, and it happily 
downloads mail multiple times.

I'm running IMAP mailboxes...

Might need to check your settings... But that is where KDE3.1 kmail becomes 
interesting for me as I can't find the settings to add/ change existing 
accounts.  Fortunatly my old accounts from KDE2.2 are still fine and working.

Mark
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Re: KMail Only Works Once Per Session

[Mark Purcell]

On Sun, Sep 15, 2002 at 06:17:13PM +0300, Vyacheslav E. Sidin wrote:
> Hi Mark.
> Can you please tell me apt sources.list line for download KDE3.1 beta debs 
> which are you using  ?

Sure have a look at:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2002/debian-kde-200209/msg00017.html

Mark

Re: KDE 3.2-beta2

[Mark Purcell]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 21:03, Karolina Lindqvist wrote:
> KDE 3.2-beta2 appears to never get announced. I guess it is delayed. (or
> have I missed the announcement somehow).

Karolina,

Thanks for the quick work.  Your efforts are very much appreciated..

Mark

Comparing Debian KDE 3.1 Beta 2 packages

[Mark Purcell]

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Seems like we have a choice now :-)

Has anyone compared the two sets of Debian KDE 3.1 Beta 2 packages?

Ralf's http://download.kde.org/unstable/kde-3.1-beta2/Debian/woody/

or Karolina's http://shakti.ath.cx/debian/kde3.1-beta2/

Apart from the way they are packaged is there any difference between these 
sets? And that one is built for woody and one for sid.

Are people getting good results on both?

Mark
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Re: Comparing Debian KDE 3.1 Beta 2 packages

[Mark Purcell]

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On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:45, Yenar Calentaure wrote:
> >>http://download.kde.org/unstable/kde-3.1-beta2/Debian/woody/
>
> > Can someone fill me in on the correct sources.list line - this doesn't
> > find the packages file
>
> I'm afraid there is no such thing. See mail by Ralf Nolden entitled "KDE
> Packages (3.0.4 and 3.1)" from 6.10.2002. You can wget them and move
> into right directory or regenerate Packages file. I see no other
> solutions :(.

It is a pretty straight forward process to regenerate the correct Packages 
file:

dpkg-scanpackages . override | gzip > Packages.gz
dpkg-scansources . | gzip > Sources.gz

If you have access a local mirror of the packages you can generate those two 
files and email them to the kde.org guys to put on the kde.org server.

However, I notice that all the Debian packages of 3.1beta2 seem to of left 
download.kde.org.

Mark
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Re: Comparing Debian KDE 3.1 Beta 2 packages

[Mark Purcell]

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 23:23, Yenar Calentaure wrote:
> > Ralf's http://download.kde.org/unstable/kde-3.1-beta2/Debian/woody/

> I used first set (i compiled them actually) with good enough results
> (there are some issues naturally, esp. with noatun/arts and korganizer,
> probably others). I cannot comment about Karolinas set, i only know they
> once had problems with .la files but i believe this was solved.

If you and Ralf are building the first set then you should really change the 
Maintainer: header in debian/control otherwise calc and Ivan will be 
receiving queries against your package builds. Unless they know about this of 
course.

Mark


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Re: KDE packages (3.0.4 and 3.1)

[Mark Purcell]

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 03:05, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> a) Sorry
> ...for the inconvenience about the Packages.gz file on the ftp server. I
> didn't know why I should create 8 subdirectories in a row just for a beta
> build and that I should have regenerated the Packages.gz file. As said, the
> KDE 3.1 beta2 was not correct anyway so I think this is a minor issue for
> now. more important is that it works for b) and c) correctly :-))

Hi Ralf,  Thanks for your efforts with KDE 3.1beta2!

You don't have to put the packages into subdirectories. You just need to 
regenerate the Packages and Sources files in that directory:

$ dpkg-scanpackages . override | gzip > Packages.gz
$ dpkg-scansources . | gzip > Sources.gz

Mark
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Re: KDE 3.1beta2 packages

[Mark Purcell]

On Sun, Oct 13, 2002 at 11:48:16AM +0200, Michael Stucki wrote:
> deb ftp://download.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/kde-3.1-beta2/Debian/woody/ ./
> 
> Now where can I get the latest Beta packages?

They seem to of gone as of last week. Have a look for a post earlier in
the week from Ralf Nolden.

The only source of KDE-3.1-beta2 packages which I am aware of is Karolina's
at:

deb http://shakti.ath.cx/debian/kde3.1-beta2 ./

There is a mirror site, but the mirror isn't in sync with upstream.

David Pashley you should update the FAQ with these locations.

Mark

KDE3 - Debian/experimental distribution proposal (was: yes i am alive ;)

[Mark Purcell]

On Sat, Oct 12, 2002 at 02:05:38AM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> Feel free to reply to this thread regarding any ideas on cleanups, or
> anything else related to packaging.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about Debian and KDE3 and I think
most of it stems from not having a standard consistent location were people
can find the Debian KDE3 debs from. While we don't want to pollute
Debian/unstable with non gcc-3.2 KDE3 packages, we also aren't building
and managing the Debian KDE3 packages in a coherent fashion.

Enter the Debian/experimental distribution, which is a perfect place for
the various Debian KDE3 package maintainers to coordinate their packages:

  The packages with this distribution value are deemed by their
  maintainers to be high risk. Oftentimes they represent early
  beta or developmental packages from various sources that the
  maintainers want people to try, but are not ready to be a part
  of the other parts of the Debian distribution tree. Download at
  your own risk.

For example over the last few months if you were on the ball you knew
you could chase up and around the following locations to get a hold
of a 'full' KDE3 suite of Debian packages:

people.debian.org   # Various additional KDE maintainers such as myself
kde3.geniussystems.net  # Seems to come and go, but it currently has
some 3.0.8 deb's up!
shakti.ath.cx   # Karolina's great but different work with 3.0.8
download.uk.kde.org # Linked to official KDE release, current best
source for 3.0.4, had some 3.0.8 for a while but
then they went again :-(

plus there are mirrors of all of the above sites in various states of 
completion and many mirrors are lagging synchronisation by a couple of releases.

So if I'm a user and want to have these various packages I need an extra
couple if not 4 or 5 different apt/sources lines included. If I'm one of
the many other KDE3 package maintainers (which I am) I have a real problem
deciding which fork of the above I should build my packages for which I then
upload to people.debian.org.


My proposal is that Debian KDE3 maintainers use the Debian/experimental
distribution for the coordination of Debian KDE3. 

This has the advantages that these packages then become a part of the 
Debian distribution/ mirrors but are flagged as being 'work in progress', 
other Debian KDE3 developers know what the current core is and can 
work to uploading complementary packages to a known state and location. 
All Debian developers are able to upload their packages to the experimental
distribution by indicating this in the package debian/changelog.
Once the gcc-3.2 transition is developed then this can be the appropriate 
time to move KDE3 from experimental to unstable.

Mark


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Re: KDE3 - Debian/experimental distribution proposal

[Mark Purcell]

On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 04:24:59PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> Does anybody see any problems if we will start with kde 3.1x builds/
> uploads for experimental?

That would be excellent if you would do that and quite suitable to
upload the kde3.1x builds into unstable.

It would also allow me to upload the two KDE packages I maintain for
Debian into unstable as well.

Mark

Re: KDE3 - Debian/experimental distribution proposal

[Mark Purcell]

On Sat, Oct 19, 2002 at 04:24:59PM +0200, Noel Koethe wrote:
> Does anybody see any problems if we will start with kde 3.1x builds/
> uploads for experimental?

A very good start and something that could happen within hours would be
for Karolina or a DD sponser to modify the Debian changelog for her packages
and then upload to the normal debian archive.

Mark

Re: KDE3 - Debian/experimental distribution proposal (was: yes i am alive ;)

[Mark Purcell]

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On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 23:01, Ben Burton wrote:
> And so I will nevertheless stick with the main point of my previous post
> which was, if we're going to use experimental, to argue for very clear
> documentation to be available on just what to do with APT configuration
> before any experimental KDE3 packages are announced.

It is a good point, and does warrant some documentation prior to any 
'release', that said it is not that disimilar to the current situation with 
'woody' users wanting to use versions of applications which are only in 
unstable. The current recommendation is to use pinning so that the whole of 
the unstable tree isn't uploaded.

Mark
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Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Mark Purcell]

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:09, Karolina Lindqvist wrote:
> I updated to latest debian "unstable" level, and my KDE does not work
> anymore. These break-everything debian updates makes me kind of tired
> sometimes.
[...]
> I really don't know what is updated that breaks everything, and don't feel
> I want to bother with it right now. Other builds of KDE3 are out

On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 05:58, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> Yes. I removed it to avoid further mess. Please be patient, I'm rebuilding
> the branch from today. *sigh*. I'll upload as soon as packages are
> finished.

Ralf, Karolina,

I would just like to publically thank you for the work you have done with the 
KDE3 branch and your Debian packages. Your efforts in putting together the 
Debian KDE 3 packages has been greatly appreciated by many Debian users who 
would otherwise not be able to access the KDE3 environment.

I am a little concerned that you both seem to be trying to maintain the Debian 
KDE3 packages with some constraints which other Debian package maintainers do 
not have to put up with.  These constraints are even more important given the 
size and complexity of KDE3.

While I fully understand the gcc-3.2 issues managing a package suite the size 
of KDE3 requires management of a whole lot of issues other than just ABI 
compatability. You have both been doing a fantastic job trying to manage 
these other issues and the fact that many of us can run Debian KDE3 packages 
is testament to your management of these issues.

Some of the Debian resources which are available to other packages, but the 
Debian KDE3 packages have been excluded from using include the Bug Tracking 
System, the Package tracking system, quality assurance web portal, Package 
mirrors, multi-architecture autobuilders as well as the management framework 
of having progressively tested distributions through; stable; testing; 
unstable and experimental distributions. Also not to mention a distributed 
approach to package management though a large number of package maintainers 
who can work together on achieving a common release/ software base. (Most 
third party KDE3 applications are no longer available as Debian packages.)

With all these Debian resources available management of something as complex 
as KDE3 should be possible. However, without full access to the resources of 
Debian trying to maintain KDE3 as a single person effort is frustrating and 
complex. So again I would like to thank both of you for your efforts in 
attempting such a feat.

I have made some suggestions in the past about creating a 'staging ground' for 
KDE3 packages (using the experimental distribution).  A place were the full 
resources of Debian can be applied to the inclusion and development of a 
stable KDE.  

KDE 3.0 was released nine months ago, there has been extensive effort expended 
in the generation of Debian packages, but all of this effort has been 
constrained to preclude the full resources of Debian to the development of 
KDE3. The net result has been that KDE2.2 remains the officially supported 
version in Debian GNU/Linux.

I for one, and I'm sure there would be many others in the Debian community, 
would be happy for either or both of you to become the official Debian 
maintainers for KDE.  Goodness knows you have been doing that job in a 
defacto capacity for a number of months...

If you get nothing else out this this message, please accept my thanks for 
your efforts, but surely as a Debian community we can do better..

Mark
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Re: Debian KDE maintainer burnout??? (was: Warning)

[Mark Purcell]

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 15:36, Daniel Stone wrote:
> > I for one, and I'm sure there would be many others in the Debian
> > community, would be happy for either or both of you to become the
> > official Debian maintainers for KDE.  Goodness knows you have been doing
> > that job in a defacto capacity for a number of months...
>
> This is an insult to Chris and everyone else working on KDE. I have put
> in a (rather minor) effort testing and doing the release work for some
> releases, but Chris Cheney has also put in a *lot* of work in his
> official capacit as maintainer. He currently has packages available -
> those are the ones that will be going into sid. "orth" also does
> packages, basically from CVS HEAD. It's also an insult to Daniel
> Schepler, Ben Burton and Norman Jordan, the maintainers of kdegames,
> kdetoys, kdeedu, koffice, quanta and kdevelop.

Daniel,

My post isn't supposed to be an insult to anyone, rather a wake up call that 
we Debian & KDE have an alful lot of work going on in the front lines 
(debian-kde) and the back end (CVS HEAD, third party applications), but there 
is also an alwful lot of duplication going on which we can ill afford in 
Debian.

My point is that Ralf and Karolina appear to be building KDE debs on an almost 
daily basis and appear to be getting a little weary of the process. They need 
to be told they are apreciated.  I too appreciate the work of yourself, Chris 
Cheney, Daniel Schepler, Ben Burton and Norman Jordan. I also appreciate the 
work of everyone else in the chain who has managed to get KDE/ Debian to 
where it is today, that list is mighty long and  impressive. That said I 
think there is a lot more which Debian can do to assist the process to make 
the work more rewarding for all the developers and indeed the Debian users 
who actually want to see KDE3 in the main distribution.

Above all that what I really don't want to see is Ralf and Karolina, or anyone 
else for that matter, getting burntout because they were shouldering a large 
portion of a burden which Debian can assist with. We have seen it before in 
Debian and KDE, I'm sure we will see it again.  But now is the time to take 
stock, resynchronise our actions and ensure the best result for everyone 
involved.

Mark

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KDE 3.0.x deb's incompatible with unstable libqt (2:3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1)

[Mark Purcell]

Package: kdelibs-bin
Version: 4:3.0.4-1
Severity: grave

It would appear that the KDE 3.0.4 debs on download.kde.org are incompatible
with the just uploaded libQt qt-x11-free (2:3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1)

In short if you are running the KDE 3.0.x Debs from download.kde.org
hang off upgrading your qt stuff othewise when you try to start KDE/KDM
you will receive a nice error message saying there is a problem loading
kdeinit. This also means that KDE 3.0.x debs are now incompatible with the
unstable distribution.  I guess that's why it's called unstable...

Details below:

$ ldd /usr/bin/kdeinit
libDCOP.so.4 => /usr/lib/libDCOP.so.4 (0x4002)
libkparts.so.2 => /usr/lib/libkparts.so.2 (0x4004d000)
libkio.so.4 => /usr/lib/libkio.so.4 (0x4007d000)
libkdeui.so.4 => /usr/lib/libkdeui.so.4 (0x4028a000)
libkdefx.so.4 => /usr/lib/libkdefx.so.4 (0x4044d000)
libXrender.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x40471000)
libkdesu.so.4 => /usr/lib/libkdesu.so.4 (0x40476000)
libkdecore.so.4 => /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4 (0x4049)
libfam.so.0 => /usr/lib/libfam.so.0 (0x405c3000)
libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0x405cc000)
libpng.so.3 => /usr/lib/libpng.so.3 (0x40b9d000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x40bca000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x40bd8000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x40c93000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40c9b000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x40cb1000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40d0)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x40d03000)
libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0x40d1)
libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 => /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 
(0x40d21000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0x40d6a000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x40d6d000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40d8e000)
libaudio.so.2 => /usr/lib/libaudio.so.2 (0x40e9e000)
libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40eb3000)
libmng.so.1 => /usr/lib/libmng.so.1 (0x40efd000)
libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0x40f3f000)
libGL.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1 (0x40f5d000)
libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x40fc3000)
libXft.so.2 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.2 (0x40fd7000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x40fe8000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
liblcms.so.1 => /usr/lib/liblcms.so.1 (0x4103a000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => not found

/var/log/kdm.log:
Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/highcolor.so:
  Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
  expected build key "i686 Linux g++-2.95.* full-config", got "g++-2.95.* 
full-config".
Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/light.so:
  Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
  expected build key "i686 Linux g++-2.95.* full-config", got "g++-2.95.* 
full-config".
Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/kthemestyle.so:
  Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
  expected build key "i686 Linux g++-2.95.* full-config", got "g++-2.95.* 
full-config".
Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/highcolor.so:
  Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
  expected build key "i686 Linux g++-2.95.* full-config", got "g++-2.95.* 
full-config".
Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/light.so:
  Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
  expected build key "i686 Linux g++-2.95.* full-config", got "g++-2.95.* 
full-config".
Conflict in /usr/lib/kde3/plugins/styles/kthemestyle.so:
  Plugin uses incompatible Qt library!
  expected build key "i686 Linux g++-2.95.* full-config", got "g++-2.95.* 
full-config".
Could not init font path element unix/:7100, removing from list!
/usr/bin/kdm_greet: error while loading shared libraries: libfontconfig.so.1: 
cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory



-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux htpc 2.5.50 #5 Fri Dec 6 21:18:33 EST 2002 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C

Versions of packages kdelibs-bin depends on:
ii  kdelibs4  4:3.0.4-1  KDE core libraries
ii  libarts1  1.0.4-1aRts Sound system
ii  libarts1-qt   1.0.4-1aRts Sound system (qt/x11 support
ii  libasound20.9.0rc6-1 Advanced Linux Sound Architecture
ii  libaudiofile0 0.2.3-4The Audiofile Library
ii  libbz2-1.01.0.2-1A high-quality block-sorting file
ii  libc6 2.3.1-6GNU C Library: Shared libraries an
ii  libcupsys21.1.18-1   Common UNIX Printing System(tm) -
ii  libfam0   2.6.9-3client library to control the FAM
ii  libpng3   1.2.5-8PNG library - runtime
ii  libqt3-mt 2:3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1 Qt GUI Library (Threaded runtime v
ii  libstdc++2.10-gli 

Correction: KDE 3.0.x incompatible with libfontconfig1=2.1-8 Re: KDE 3.0.x deb's incompatible with unstable libqt (2:3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1)

[Mark Purcell]

On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 08:41:26PM +1100, Mark Purcell wrote:
> Package: kdelibs-bin
> Version: 4:3.0.4-1
> Severity: grave
> 
> It would appear that the KDE 3.0.4 debs on download.kde.org are incompatible
> with the just uploaded libQt qt-x11-free (2:3.1.1+cvs.20021220-1)

Correction.

The incompatibility is between KDE 3.0.4 debs and libfontconf1=2.1-8 and has 
been
reported as a critical bug and a fix is pending upload at #173900.

In short don't download libfontconfig1=2.1-8, either stick/ downgrade to 
libconfig1=2.1-7 or wait until -9 gets uploaded by the maintainer.

Mark

Re: sid version up

[Mark Purcell]

On Mon, Jan 06, 2003 at 02:01:56AM +0100, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> deb http://ktown.kde.org/~nolden/kde/sid/i386/ ./

Excellent work Ralf.

Thanks alot...

Working well here...


Mark


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Re: Konqueror: Embedding of packed documents

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 10:40, Thomas Ritter wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 8. Januar 2003 21:29 schrieb David Pye:
> > If it's gzipped, how can KDE/Konq etc know what is INSIDE the gzip
> > without opening it? ie the mimetype will be the zip, not the pdf/ps file.
> > So, it gets opened with Ark. I fail to see how else it could work to be
> > honest.
>
> gzip is a streamable format, so finding out the mimetype gzip, unzipping
> the first couple of bytes and finding out the mimetype for _that_ is not
> even hard.
> If you want this feature, use the Bug Tracking System of KDE to issue a
> feature request. KDE Developers tend to adopt such thoughts ;)

Actually this feature is already documented as being provided in KDE..
The gzip kioslave description in 'Info Center' states that it will already 
behave in the desired fashion. I myself have wondered how you actually get 
this working.  Should we file a bug against the kioslave description as well?

Mark


gzip

gzip is a compression program

The gzip kioslave is not directly usable, and is intended for use as a filter. 
For example, the tar kioslave can filter a file through the gzip kioslave, in 
order to display the contents of a tar.gz file directly in a Konqueror 
window.

If you click on a file compressed with a gz extension in Konqueror, this 
kioslave is used to uncompress it and display it as a normal (uncompressed) 
file.

If you are a developer, and would like to use the gzip filter, you can find 
documentation on using kioslaves at http://developer.kde.org

See the manual: gzip. 
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[Mark Purcell]

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:02, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> On Donnerstag, 9. Januar 2003 07:56, Mark Purcell wrote:
> > Actually this feature is already documented as being provided in KDE..
> > The gzip kioslave description in 'Info Center' states that it will
> > already behave in the desired fashion. I myself have wondered how you
> > actually get this working.  Should we file a bug against the kioslave
> > description as well?
>
> Hm, it has something to do with the way the mimetypes treat files. It
> obviously gives ark more precedence over the ioslave...

Interesting indeed.  konqueror will display the correct 'compressed' icon for 
files like file1.pdf.gz, file2.png.gz, file3.txt.gz, it doesn't do a mimetype 
lookup, it just grabs the extension. However when you try to 'Edit File 
Type..' (right click) it only displays the generic gzip icon and you cannot 
associate a different filetype..

It will only let you access through ark...

Mark
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Re: Konqueror: Embedding of packed documents

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 23:18, Casper Gielen wrote:
> Op donderdag 9 januari 2003 10:07, schreef Frank Mehnert:
> > Exactly. Mozilla is able to do that. If you click on references like
> > paper then the document is first unzipped and
> > then displayed in the embedded PDF viewer.
>
> We can go this. Go to the Control Center (note: I'm using a Dutch version
> of KDE, so the actual names may deviate from you system) , and start File
> Associations. Select application/x-gzip and go to the "Embedding" tab. Set
> the left-click-action to "show in embedded viewer".
> That's it. From now on, klicking a .gz file, will transparently unzip the
> file and only show you it's contents.

That still just embeds ark in konqueror, it doesn't load the document. From 
the example above I end up with an embedded ark which lists a single file 
xyz.pdf, which I then need to click again to startup my PDF viewer.

When I click on the xyz.pdf.gz link/file I want it to be decompressed and the 
PDF file displayed in my PDF viewer.

Mozilla does it, Netscape has done it for years.  gzip kioslave states that it 
does it, but I don't know how to 'turn it on'.

Mark
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Ok.

I have actually had a look into the KDE Bug list and it has been reported...

http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19229

I suppose we should add additional comments there, rather than further 
discussion in debian-kde.

Of course that bug report has been open now for 2 years...

Mark
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Re: libkdefakes as it's own package

[Mark Purcell]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 01:48:13AM -0500, James Greenhalgh wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> I've noticed one app in particular (ksysguardd [note the dd]) but I'm sure 
> there are more in KDE that use libkdefakes as the only lib.  I'd like this 
> lib 
> to be separate from kdelibs4 as the overhead to install kdelibs4 is rather 
> needless when just the kdefakes lib is needed.

Yes please,

This has been requested as a wishlist bug for over a year now..

Have a look at:

http://bugs.debian.org/124327

Mark



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> the final binaries of the RC 7 are now uploaded including a new kdeutils with 
> fixed ark stuff. The libkdefakes has been split off as has ksysguardd now.

Excellent work Ralf,

Thanks!

ksysguardd works well on my gateway router with nothing else from KDE/X11
installed..

Seems to be an issue with kiofoto3's packaging:

htpc:/home/msp# apt-get install kiofoto3
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kiofoto3
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3  not upgraded.
Need to get 23.9kB of archives. After unpacking 221kB will be used.
Get:1 http://ktown.kde.org ./ kiofoto3 0.3.1-0woody1 [23.9kB]
Fetched 23.9kB in 1s (12.2kB/s)
Reading changelogs... Done
Selecting previously deselected package kiofoto3.
(Reading database ... 81936 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking kiofoto3 (from .../kiofoto3_0.3.1-0woody1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kiofoto3_0.3.1-0woody1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite directory `/usr/share/services' in package kmix with 
nondirectory
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/kiofoto3_0.3.1-0woody1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

Mark


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Re: Unable to install kde3.1 on unstable

[Mark Purcell]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 12:47:51PM +, Dan Slatford wrote:
> Ahhh, thankyou. I've installed that now, as it gives me libfam-dev, which is 
> also needed to install kdelibs-dev. I can't find the original libfam-dev for 
> libfam0 2.6.9-3 anywhere. Sarge has an earlier version. All seems well for 
> the moment.

Have a look at http://snapshot.debian.net, it is your friend to find the
version of the package from yesterday/ last week which worked when the
most recent update breaks something for you... :-)

Mark


[1]snapshot.debian.net/archive

   Debian packages daily archived since 2002/06/04

NOTE:

   This site contains all debian packages, including already removed from
   debian official archives because of very buggy, unusable, broken,
   vulnerable or some other reasons (which would be fixed in newer
   version or in [2]http://security.debian.org/) It depends on you which
   packages you download from this site. Package will be [3]removed from
   this site, only in case that distribution of the software is illegal
   (license violation).
 _

   apt-get debian packages on specified date (absolute date)
 deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive//MM/DD/debian unstable main contrib
 non-free
 deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive//MM/DD/debian-non-US unstable/non-U
S main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive//MM/DD/debian unstable main con
trib non-free
 deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive//MM/DD/debian-non-US unstable/n
on-US main contrib non-free
 _

   apt-get debian packages on specified date (relative date)
 deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/date/datestr/debian unstable main contr
ib non-free
 deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/date/datestr/debian-non-US unstable/non
-US main contrib non-free
 deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/date/datestr/debian unstable main c
ontrib non-free
 deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/date/datestr/debian-non-US unstable
/non-US main contrib non-free

   Note that datestr
   is datestr recognized by date(1), such as yesterday, 2-days-ago,
   last-week.
 _

   apt-get specific package(s)
 deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool package ...
 deb-src http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool package ...

   where package is source package name as debian/pool directories.

   Since this dists has "Archive: pool" in Release file, so I recommend
   to put the following in /etc/apt/preferences to keep this line out
   from apt-get upgrade:
 Package: *
 Pin: release a=pool
 Pin-Priority: 98
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disk usage

   [4]daily size [5]total size 
 _

Known bugs

 * date is in JST (TZ=GMT-9)
 * mirroring is half day behind from ftp-master.debian.org in
   average. (ftp-master.debian.org -> raff.debian.org ->
   plat.debian.or.jp (aka ftp.jp.debian.org) -> hp.debian.or.jp (aka
   snapshot.debian.net))
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   Powered by [6]pdumpfs


[7]Debian Project / [8]Debian JP Project
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References

   1. http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/
   2. http://security.debian.org/
   3. http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/removals.txt
   4. http://snapshot.debian.net/du/du.png
   5. http://snapshot.debian.net/du/df.png
   6. http://namazu.org/~satoru/pdumpfs/index.html.en
   7. http://www.debian.org/
   8. http://www.debian.orj.p/

[kl's debs] koffice overwrite problems..

[Mark Purcell]

Karolina,

Thanks for your continued efforts in putting together these packages.

Have a bit of an issue upgrading to your latest version: Likely a 
Replaces/ Conflicts issue.

Removing koffice-libs first and then installing again overcomes the issues.

apt-get remove koffice-libs && apt-get install kword kspread

Mark

Original error messages:

 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libkspreadhtmlexport.la', which is also in 
package kspread
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Preparing to replace kword 1:1.2.0-1 (using .../kword_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb) 
...
Unpacking replacement kword ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kword_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libdocbookexport.la', which is also in 
package koffice-libs
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Preparing to replace kspread 1:1.2.0-1 (using 
.../kspread_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement kspread ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kspread_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/libapplixspreadimport.la', which is also in
package koffice-libs
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/koffice-libs_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/kword_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/kspread_1%3a1.2.1+kl-1_i386.deb
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Re: Debian Woody packages for KDE 3.1 + ?gypten

[Mark Purcell]

On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 09:06:51PM +0100, Ralf Nolden wrote:
> Packages not in unstable but from gnupg.org:
> dirmngr  libksba  mutts-gpgme  newpg  opensc  pinentry

Ralf again excellent work. 

Are you planning on raising an IPT and uploading these packages to unstable?
Or are you in a position to have these packages sponsored into the unstable
distribution?

> I would be pleased if bugs in the overall modified build process can be 
> reported or if everything is functional now (S/MIME, OpenPGP). Especially 
> pinentry-qt is of interest as it is a Qt frontend which fits best on KDE :-)

lintian(1) picks up quite a few bugs and policy violations and would be worth 
going over the packages with.

Mark

[rn's debs] kdelibs overwrite problem

[Mark Purcell]

Ralf,

Thanks for your continual updates...

There is an overwrite problem between kdelibs4 and libkdefakes4.

dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/kdelibs4_4%3a3.1.0-0woody2_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkdefakes.so.4.1.0', which is also in package 
libkdefakes4

Unfortunatly there is no easy way out of this as trying to remove libkdefakes4
is not possible without removing kdelibs4 and the rest of KDE :-(

The only way out, short of uninstalling all of KDE and reinstalling is to
--force-overwrite:

dpkg -i --force-overwrite kdelibs4_4%3a3.1.0-0woody2_i386.deb

Which is not recommended for the faint hearted.

Perhaps kdelibs4 should include a Replaces: libkdefakes4 header.

Mark


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Official release of KDE3.1 and Debian

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Ralf,

Given the official release of KDE3.1 today 
, I would like to thank 
you for your efforts in ensuring that Debian was one of the distributions 
which had packages for KDE3.1 available from KDE's mirrors from day one..

Thanks for your efforts..

Mark
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Rationale behind admin/debianrules (was: Qt Changes ahead - Info for package maintainers + developers)

[Mark Purcell]

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> > a) Chris Cheney:  update kde-common/admin/debianrules and fix
> > kdelibs/debian/dh-make template that people are going to use to produce
> > KDE debs with.

Whilst I understand the rational behind the admin/debianrules my personal 
experience with the three KDE applications (kmerlin, kphone, kfocus) I 
maintain for Debian is that it hasn't been necessary.

The only thing I have had to specify in debian/rules manually is:

export kde_htmldir="\$${prefix}/share/doc/kde/HTML"

Everything else is setup correctly by the normal configure call:

./configure --host=$(DEB_HOST_GNU_TYPE) \
--build=$(DEB_BUILD_GNU_TYPE) \
--prefix=/usr --mandir=\$${prefix}/share/man \
--infodir=\$${prefix}/share/info

Am I missing something else by not using admin/debianrules?

Mark
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Re: No kmail in sid?

[Mark Purcell]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:47:20PM +0100, Felix Homann wrote:
> kmail: relocation error: kmail: undefined symbol: _ZN8DwString4nposE

Purge libmimelib1 and then reinstall from unstable.

`dpkg --purge libmimelib1`

libmimelib1 is one of the few packages which doesn't auto upgrade
from the unofficial KDE3.1 libraries.

Mark

Re: kmail within kde3.1 on sid ?

[Mark Purcell]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 08:27:54PM +0100, Petr Bal wrote:
> One problem - this version doesn't support IMAP :-(((

It supports IMAP for me when I first startup kmail, but after I have
been online for a while and new messages come in they are shown as
a bold number of unread messages, but I can't scroll up/down to
actually read the new messages.

If I exit kmail and startup again then the new messages appear..

Very weird.

Mark

Bug#182942: Found no KOffice part able to handle application/x-kword!

[Mark Purcell]

[CC'ed to debian-kde]

On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 09:35:53PM -0700, Ben Burton wrote:
> 
> > It seems that if I move all of ~/.kde out of the way kword functions 
> > correctly.
> 
> If you don't move ~/.kde out of the way, but instead run kbuildsycoca to
> rebuild the system configuration cache, does this fix your problem?

No that doesn't seem to help:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kbuildsycoca
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ kword
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
koffice (lib kofficecore): WARNING: Got no results with [X-KDE-NativeMimeType] 
== 'application/x-kword'
koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Found no KOffice part able to handle 
application/x-kword!
koffice (lib kofficecore): ERROR: Check your installation (does the desktop 
file have X-KDE-NativeMimeType and KOfficePart, did you install KOffice in a 
different prefix than KDE, without adding the prefix to /etc/kderc ?)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

> And did you just upgrade koffice, or did this happen as part of the
> entire KDE2 -> KDE3 upgrade?

My history here is I was tracking the Ralf's KDE3 packages, uninstalled those
and then installed the proper KDE3 packages when they came into sid.

Didn't install kword at first, then when I needed kword I pulled it down
and ended up with these problems.

Did a diff of the old and pristine .kde directorys and it appears that
the old had a file named: .kde/share/applnk/Office/kword.desktop which was
the source of my problems.  Deleted that file and things are working again.

I guess you can close this bug, but there maybe others who are upgrading
kword who run into the same problem, so maybe worth while doing a check
on upgrade??

Mark

The contents are attached:


.kde/share/applnk/Office/kword.desktop:
===
[Desktop Entry]
Comment=
Exec=kword
Icon=kword
InitialPreference=3
MimeType=application/x-kword;application/msword;Application
Name=KWord
ServiceTypes=
SwallowExec=
SwallowTitle=
Terminal=false
TerminalOptions=
Type=Application
X-KDE-SubstituteUID=false
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GCC++4 ABI transition for KDE?

[Mark Purcell]

Ref: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/06/msg00057.html

Given that a number of downstream packages depend on KDE, things are awaiting 
the GCC++ ABI transition for the main KDE body before the applications can 
start moving in.

What is the plan for the rebuild of Qt/ kdelibs with GCC4?

Mark


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Re: For sid users: An overview of the KDE C++ ABI transition

[Mark Purcell]

Adeodato (and the rest of the Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers),

Thanks for the updates.

It is great to hear what is going on and get the updates as to what is 
happening.

Looks like a long weekend now that we can start the tranisition for the rest 
of the Qt/KDE applications.

Mark


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Re: Bug#323372: kmymoney2: package cannot be installed on sid

[Mark Purcell]

severity 323372 normal
thanks

Walter,

Thanks for your bug report.  Unfortunately there isn't much point in
rebuilding kmymoney2 until the current G++ transition is progressed.  More
details on the transition are available here:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2005/08/msg00089.html

While KDE is being rebuilt, I have made an new release of kmymoney
available via the experimental distribution which you can find at
http://packages.debian.org/kmymoney2 or installation of the version from
the testing distribution also works during this period.

Otherwise could I ask your patience while the C++ is progressing.

Mark

> Package: kmymoney2
> Severity: grave
> Justification: renders package unusable
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/home/wh# LANGUAGE=C apt-get install kmymoney2
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
>
> Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
> the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
> that package should be filed.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   kmymoney2: Depends: libofx1 but it is not installable
>  Depends: libosp4 (>= 1.5.1.0-1) but it is not installable
> E: Broken packages
>
>
>
> -- System Information:
> Debian Release: testing/unstable
>   APT prefers unstable
>   APT policy: (500, 'unstable'), (500, 'stable'), (1, 'experimental')
> Architecture: i386 (i686)
> Shell:  /bin/sh linked to /bin/bash
> Kernel: Linux 2.6.11.3
> Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=C (charmap=ISO-8859-15) (ignored: LC_ALL set to
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KDE_ENABLE_HIDDEN_VISIBILITY

[Mark Purcell]

In rebuilding a number of KDE packages for gcc 4. It would appear that 
there is an issue with KDE_ENABLE_HIDDEN_VISIBILITY, which is generally 
swtiched on in configure.in.in.


The short fix appears to delete/comment out this switch as there are 
issues with gcc 4.


Thought I would post this here as it took me a while looking on upstream 
sites to find it if people are having issues building. Errors are 
missing typeinfo...


Has anyone else seen this and should be we doing something about it 
across the Debian board?


Mark


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Re: Successfull upgrade to 3.4.2

[Mark Purcell]

Jan,

> (for those interested: http://debian.kcore.org/ for my 'transitioned'
> packages
> - NOT official! tho they're mainly rebuilds of official ones) 

Rather than building your own NOT official 'tranisitioned' packages.

Could I ask you to setup an account on alioth.debian.org, we will give you 
commit access to kde-extras, and you can help us transition the real 
packages :-)

http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-kde/kde-extras/knemo/?rev=0&sc=1

Mark


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Debian KDE Extras Team presentation for Akademy

[Mark Purcell]

Hi Akademy,

The Debian KDE Extras Team proposes a presentation at Akademy
covering the following topics.

The Debian KDE Extras Team maintain a portfolio of extra application packages
for Debian GNU/Linux outside the KDE core applications. Highlights of th
ese applications in order of Debian popularity (excluding libraries) include;
kile, kaffeine, kipi-plugins, digikam, kmplayer, knemo, taskjuggler, kmy
money, rsibreak and codeine.

This presentation will include discussion on the following areas:

* Brief overview on some of the key applications

* How KDE packages are incorporated into Debian

* Integration and interaction  with upstream KDE developers

* Debian bug tracking & synchronisation with KDE bug tracking
 
 -http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?maint=pkg-kde-extras%40lists.a
lioth.debian.org

* Integration and interaction with (k)ubuntu developers

* svn.debian.org kde-extras archive and potential for non Debian contributers

* Debian Quality Assurance; lintian, dak (aka katie) & buildds for 11 
archiectures
   -(alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc)
  
 -http://qa.debian.org/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.org

* Debian Release cycles. What are sid, etch and sarge anyway.

* Debian Popularity Contest and KDE applications

Mark Purcell is an admin for the Debian KDE Extras and Pkg VOIP teams which
also provides the KDE twinkle & kiax builds for ubuntu and debian distribu
tions. He has been a Debian developer since 2001 and his main Linux interests
lie in VoIP, digital photography and multimedia applications.

Mark


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[Mark Purcell]

I'm at akademy in Dublin today and tomorrow.

Any debianers want to catch up?

Mark


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Re: New plasma-widgets

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 27 March 2009 22:48:21 Valerio Passini wrote:
>  only to choice weather services among a subset of countries belonging to
> the Commonwealth

Valerio,

I find that the BBC weather service isn't that great either for Commonwealth 
countries.  I'm in Australia and it is sometimes quite off the current 
conditions outside.

Not really surprising given that the BBC are on the other side of the world.

I guess some more localised plugins for local weather would be a sensible way 
forward.

Mark


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Re: About ban-unstable-uploads

[Mark Purcell]

On Monday 30 March 2009 04:26:24 Thomas Friedrichsmeier wrote:
> Now the problem is, the version of rkward in unstable is already based on
> KDE 4 (it was uploaded in June 2008). This version is terribly broken right
> now (admittedly it has been badly broken for a while, but things have
> deterioated even further, recently), and I'd like to publish a fix, soon.
> But with ban-unstable-uploads in effect - well, I can't upload to unstable.

Thomas,

I would recommend you do what you did for v0.5.0b and upload to experimental.

That way at least there will be a fixed version in the Debian archive albeit 
this won't fix the version in unstable. Unstable isn't supposed to be fully 
working all the time, hence the name.

We are using experimental as a staging ground for KDE4.2 to see what works/ 
what doesn't work etc.  As you can no doubt appreciate the transition to 
KDE4.2 is a complex beast which does take time in the planning.

There was an earlier suggestion that we just dump and run and get everything 
into unstable as quickly as possible and work out the mess later.  That wasn't 
taken up and we are using experimental and planned migration of libs & apps.

Mark


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Re: [ANN] KDE 4.2 moving to unstable *this* week

[Mark Purcell]

On Monday 06 April 2009 18:27:22 Magnus Pedersen wrote:
> > KDE 4.2 will move from experimental to unstable this week. We can not
> > tell the exact day.
>
> Whats status on the move?
>
> /Magnus
> Being curious

Magnus,

If you are really curious, then I can recommend the following:

1. Subscribe to the PTS [1] and then you will know the minute it is released 
into unstable.

2. Subscribe to pkg-kde-commits [2] then you will see every little change made 
on the way to the release that will be announced via the PTS above.

The worse thing you can do is constantly asking what is going on.. ;-)  There 
is far more information available that you can access via the above resources.

Mark

[1] http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdebase.html
[2] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-kde-commits


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Re: Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition

[Mark Purcell]

On Thursday 09 April 2009 11:14:26 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> >Are you aware about how many Debian packagers has the Qt/KDE team? Do you
> >imagine how many time is needed to handle this? And not only the KDE
> > people, but other teams as well.
>
> If Debian can't shoulder the burden of maintaining KDE, they shouldn't be
> packaging it.  Debian maintainers should be ready to receive bug reports
> from Debian users.  I should not have to run another distribution or
> compile KDE from source before I file a bug.

Boyd,

You are going to start seeing a lot more messages like this one when you file 
a bug with a Debian package. I am the Debian maintainer for the hplip package:

! For end user support please "Ask a question" at the
! upstream hplip support site:
!   https://answers.launchpad.net/hplip/+addquestion
!
! If you know that the bug you want to report is in the "upstream"
! code then please file report in the upstream hplip bug tracking system:
!   https://launchpad.net/hplip/+filebug
!
! If you feel that the bug is one that other Debian users should
! know about then you are welcome to file a report in the Debian BTS
! as well.  Please keep in mind, however, that managing bug reports
! is part of the maintainers' workload.

Why have I done this?  Because I am not able to keep on top of the bugs 
reports, let alone the packaging upstream releases and the like to maintain 
this and other packages.  Also a lot of bugs are just upstream bugs and in 
most (all) cases it would be a lot better if the end user were talking 
directly to upstream.

Sure if another 5 people wanted to come and help with the bugs then I wouldn't 
have to do this, but there aren't 5 people helping, so the users reporting the 
bugs can help and forward the bug to the place where they will get the fastest 
response to their issues.

In a lot of cases the Debian maintain is on the upstream bug tracking list as 
well and will comment directly there when/ if things are being reported that 
are directly specific to the Debian package.

You don't need to run a different distribution to report a bug upstream.  
Upstream will happily take reports from any users and will respond to your 
issues. 

However if you report another upstream bug to the BTS, the Debian maintainer 
may not be in a position to forward the bug upstream for many days/ weeks/ 
months if at all.  So the end user doesn't get any feedback on their bug 
either.

Users don't need a 'bug-day' to forward bugs upstream.  Anyone can do that at 
any time and at any stage of the project.  I hope you are contributing with 
every post you are making here to debian-kde and also forwarding a bug 
upstream.  Takes me about 3-6 minutes per bug. Because that is what Debian is 
about.  Lots of people, like you, doing a little bit of work when they have 
some spare time.

So with your next spare 3 minutes, look at the BTS, check if a bug is still 
relevant, forward it upstream, and mark it as forwarded in the BTS.

Mark


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Options for the Debian KDE team (was: Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition)

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 10 April 2009 00:46:44 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Won't someone please think of the users?

Boyd,

The Debian KDE team can do about 5-10 things in a month.

Which would the users prefer:

1.  Handle 2 RC bugs, build, package and upload 3 packages from KDE 4.2.x 
and 
discuss on IRC/ mailing lists etc,

2.  Handle 2 RC bugs, forward 10 BTS bugs upstream and discuss on IRC/ 
mailing 
lists etc, or

3.  As we don't have sufficient resources to do 1 & 2 at the same time, remove 
all KDE 4.2.x packages from Debian.

In fact lets get more specific, which would you prefer?

Mark


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Re: Bluetooth in KDE4

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 10 April 2009 09:04:39 Martin Neumann wrote:
> Nothing of this is possible at the moment with KDE4 in Sid although it
> was working flawlessly in KDE3.5.

Martin,

Quite a few of us are using bluetooth as well.

Unfortunately KDE4 doesn't have the full functionality of KDE3 so if those 
features are critical then you should stick with KDE3 for the time being.

There is some work on packaging the bluetooth stack for KDE4 for debian, but 
there are a few issues which require resolution.

The best place to discuss this is (Cc:):
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=504109

Mark


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Re: Helping Debian KDE

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 10 April 2009 20:55:09 Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote:
> Please provide me more information on how I can assist Debian KDE team.
>
> If you have documents somewhere on how people can assist, do let me know.

Sharuzzaman,

Thanks for your email.

Some details of how people can help are available here:
http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebTasks

Mark


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Re: Kuickshow replacement in KDE 4.2.2

[Mark Purcell]

On Monday 13 April 2009 19:43:15 Benjamí Villoslada wrote:
> From yesterday Kuickshow isn't available.  Now Kmail (i.e.) show images
> with GIMP, a good program for image editing but excessive for display only.
>
> Any KDE 4.2.2 Kuickshow replacement?

I get in order:

kolourpaint
Iceweasel
showfoto
okular

Right click on an .jpg image on your desktop/ dolphin.

Select Properties & the icon with the spanner will allow you to edit the 
default order applications are called up for that file type.


I quite like showfoto, but I would ;-)


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Re: My assesment

[Mark Purcell]

On Sunday 12 April 2009 10:32:10 George Bodley wrote:
> KDE 4.2 is a huge mistake.  I installed it on Sidux and need to look for a
> different distro or Desktop.  It really is bad.  You need or Debian or
> Sidux needs to give us back our old KDE 3.5

George,

This really is a troll.

Debian lenny will always be KDE 3.5 so don't worry. Relax, install lenny and 
be happy. ;-)

Mark


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Re: When to report bugs upstream [was Re: Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition]

[Mark Purcell]

On Saturday 11 April 2009 19:21:11 Arthur Marsh wrote:
> > upstream.  Takes me about 3-6 minutes per bug. Because that is what
> > Debian is about.  Lots of people, like you, doing a little bit of work
> > when they have some spare time.
[...]
> > So with your next spare 3 minutes, look at the BTS, check if a bug is
> > still relevant, forward it upstream, and mark it as forwarded in the BTS.
> >
> > Mark
>
> If you can show me how to forward a bug upstream in 3 minutes, I'd be
> more than willing to do so (-:.

Started Mon Apr 13 20:20:49 EST 2009

apt-get install 
apt-get install plasma-widget-lancelot

Add widget.

Right click lancelot - about
Howto report bugs  click http://bugs.kde.org
Mon Apr 13 20:23:43 EST 2009

Click Report New Bug
Select Debian Unstable & KDE 4.2.2
Copy and paste from original email from this thread.
Bug filed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189520
Mon Apr 13 20:26:59 EST 2009

six minutes.

Lets see what upstream do with it now ;-)

Mark


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Re: When to report bugs upstream [was Re: Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition]

[Mark Purcell]

On Saturday 11 April 2009 19:21:11 Arthur Marsh wrote:
> [As an aside, HPLIP *DOES NOT EVEN HAVE ANY MAILING LISTS* and this was
> a barrier against finding and reporting bugs upstream against HPLIP )-:.]

Thanks Arthur,

This is a very good point.

What I have found works best is when upstream subscribe to the Debian package 
tracking system (kmymoney2, kile, ...) and then forward PTS email into their 
upstream -dev mailing list.

http://bugs.debian.org/523477 is a great example.

Debian users get a reasonable response turn around and bug visibility is 
apparent to everyone at the right time. Of course getting upstream to 
subscribe to a number of sources is always a challenge, but presumably they 
are happy with subscribing to high s/n traffic about their package.

I know maduck is doing some work to try and sync bug reports/ patches across 
distributions.

Mark


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Re: When to report bugs upstream [was Re: Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition]

[Mark Purcell]

> > What I have found works best is when upstream subscribe to the Debian
> > package tracking system (kmymoney2, kile, ...) and then forward PTS email
> > into their upstream -dev mailing list.
>
> What does PTS stand for?

Sorry,

That is the Package Tracking System, which is an email subscription system 
which anyone can use to track what is going on with a Debian package:

For example lancelot is covered here:
http://packages.qa.debian.org/k/kdeplasma-addons.html

Ivan (as upstream lancelot maintainer) maybe interested in subscribing to the 
PTS as he would then receive updates as lancelot progresses through Debian and 
as Debian users report bugs, he would receive them directly.

Mark


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Re: When to report bugs upstream [was Re: Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition]

[Mark Purcell]

On Monday 13 April 2009 20:30:29 Mark Purcell wrote:
> Bug filed: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189520
> Mon Apr 13 20:26:59 EST 2009
>
> six minutes.
>
> Lets see what upstream do with it now ;-)

Mon Apr 13 20:56:57 EST 2009
Hey look I have a response from upstream within 30 minutes.

No this hasn't been staged. I have never used Lancelot before and never had 
any contact with Ivan before.

Valerio reported a problem on Wednesday in debian-kde.

Had he reported to debian bug tracking system it would still be sitting there 
and wouldn't yet be forwarded.

Had he reported directly upstream upstream, anyone else using lancelot could 
be aware of the issue.

Around ten people replied to the email on debian-kde, but no one until now has 
forwarded the issue upstream.

Come on people, this particular issue needed to be forwarded upstream.  Lets 
spend less time talking about what could be done, and actually get on and do 
it..

Mark

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Subject: [Bug 189520] Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition
Date: Monday 13 April 2009
From: Ivan Čukić  
To: m...@debian.org

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189520





--- Comment #1 from Ivan Čukić   2009-04-13 12:45:13 
---
Thanks for posting this here, I'll see what the problem is in a couple of days
(I'm a bit busy these last few weeks)

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Re: Pin to keep kde3.5.9?

[Mark Purcell]

On Tuesday 14 April 2009 03:31:10 Jakub Krajewski wrote:
> KNemo (great app) which I am using extensively on my KDE 3.5 desktop was
> already ported to KDE4 and you can grab it here:

Even better,

You can grab the Debian package of the KDE4 version of knemo here:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/knemo

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Re: KDE 4 simply broken

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 15 May 2009 03:15:07 jedd wrote:
> > You seem to have some display corruptions. Especially the intel
> > driver is currently known for having big issues with that.
>
>  Yes, I've heard nasty rumours about the Intel driver being a bit
>  dodgy, but I was using the same driver on xorg for the previous
>  six months.  Consequently I think it'd be a bit disingenuous to
>  attribute my current, and quite chronic woes to a graphics driver
>  that worked just fine with KDE 3.5.x

Intel driver is very broken...

I'm using a:
Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics 
Controller

I find KDE4 totally unusable with it.  I have reverted back to testing for my 
xorg config and things are working smmothly:

apt-get --download install xserver-xorg/testing  xserver-xorg-core/testing 
xserver-xorg-input-evdev/testing xserver-xorg-video-intel/testing 
xserver-xorg-input-mouse/testing xserver-xorg-input-
synaptics/testing libgl1-mesa-dri/testing libgl1-mesa-glx/testing 
xserver-xorg-input-kbd/testing


Have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/525231

Mark


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Bug#530443: RM: libkexif -- ROM; Obsolete - originaly part of KDE3 - no rdepends

[Mark Purcell]

Package: ftp.debian.org
Severity: normal

This library was origianly part of KDE3 support for digikam.

It is now obsolete and should be removed from testing & unstable.

Mark



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Bug#530444: RM: libkdcraw -- NVIU; RoM; Now provided as a component of kdegraphics

[Mark Purcell]

Package: ftp.debian.org
Severity: normal

In KDE3 libkdcraw4 was provided as a seperate package/ library.

In KDE4 libkdcraw7 is provided as a library of the kdegraphics source package.

Please remove the source package libkdcraw from both testing & unstable.

There are no rdepends in testing/unstable.

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Re: [opensuse-kde] Re: Deleting the Selection

[Mark Purcell]

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 01:38:00 am Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Thanks.  I didn't know scim-bridge was from the KDE project.

What about http://www.scim-im.org/development/bug_reports.

Mark


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Re: Amarok 2.2.0 "plays" mp3s in an instant

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 02 October 2009 23:44:10 Cade Robinson wrote:
> > What about libxine1-ffmpeg package? Is it installed?
> 
> That was not installed.
> I installed it and it fixed the issue.
> 
> Thanks!
> 

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Re: Upload of KDE 4.3.3?

[Mark Purcell]

On Wednesday 02 December 2009 04:53:27 André Wöbbeking wrote:
> On Tuesday 01 December 2009, Manolete, ese artista wrote:
> > A probably banal question made fron ignorance, and just out of
> >  curiosity: what impedes 4.3.2 to enter Testing? 

http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=kdebase

> And if these dependences still take some time wouldn't it be a good idea 
> to skip KDE 4.3.2 and move on to 4.3.4 which probably / hopefully has 
> the same dependences?

KDE 4.3.2 has been uploaded to unstable and then needs to follow a number of 
rules, see above URL, before it can get to testing.

When/if KDE 4.3.4 is uploaded to unstable it will also follow the same rules.

There is no rule that 4.3.2 has to make it into testing before 4.3.4 can be 
uploaded.

More details here: http://www.debian.org/devel/testing

Mark


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Re: Digikam-doc misses a developer

[Mark Purcell]

On Wednesday 16 December 2009 02:46:16 Valerio Passini wrote:
> At the moment none is taking care of packaging digikam documentation. 
> Digikam is in extragear, nonetheless it is a very popular application 
> for managing and editing pictures and it's quite complex to use it 
> without a good manual. digikam-doc seems abandoned and many wishes/bugs 
> have been open for this reason. This mail can't be a RFP, since the 
> (old) package exists, however it is a request that some pious KDE 
> developer take care of it. What it needs is to be maintained considering 
> that the next stable release of digikam is near and it would be really a 
> pity to not have the relative documentation in Debian. If it's not 
> possible to fulfill my request for technical reasons, I would like to 
> know them.

Valerio,

Thanks for your interest in digikam-doc in Debian.

Unfortunately there is very little we can do from a Debian perspective as 
upstream have not yet updated the documentation suite for digikam.

http://www.digikam.org/drupal/docs
http://sourceforge.net/projects/digikam/files/

Rest assured that once upstream do release, the Debian package will be updated.

Mark


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Re: digikam broken in unstable?

[Mark Purcell]

On Thursday 17 December 2009 07:02:45 Dietz Pröpper wrote:
> Digikam eats up 95%+ of the cpu and does not terminate properly.
> (bug ##560893) Upstreams says, this might be a Debian problem.
> 
> Therefore, can anyone confirm the behaviour?

Yes I can confirm:

http://bugs.debian.org/560893

and I forwarded upstream:

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=218467

I think I have been seeing this behaviour in other apps as well, enabling some 
of the plasma active wallpapers also seems to be pushing my CPU to 100%. :-(

Mark


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Re: digikam broken in unstable?

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 18 December 2009 19:54:16 Mark Purcell wrote:
> On Thursday 17 December 2009 07:02:45 Dietz Pröpper wrote:
> > Digikam eats up 95%+ of the cpu and does not terminate properly.
> > (bug ##560893) Upstreams says, this might be a Debian problem.
> > 
> > Therefore, can anyone confirm the behaviour?
> 
[...]
> 
> I think I have been seeing this behaviour in other apps as well, enabling 
> some of the plasma active wallpapers also seems to be pushing my CPU to 100%. 
> :-(

Dietz,

It was nepomuk, I have disabled Nepomuk Semantic Desktop (System Settings) and 
CPU back down to 1% now...

Mark


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Re: digikam broken in unstable?

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 18 December 2009 23:19:21 Dietz Pröpper wrote:
> > It was nepomuk, I have disabled Nepomuk Semantic Desktop (System
> >  Settings) and CPU back down to 1% now...
> 
> Thx. Unfortunately, I am not using Nepomuk at all :-\.

Dietz,

I wasn't using it either, but it was switched on.

Have you checked your settings?

Mark


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Re: digikam broken in unstable?

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 18 December 2009 23:59:29 Dietz Pröpper wrote:
> it is switched off but I noticed a running nepomukserver (but not the other 
> nepomuk processes). Killing that process and running digikam afterwards did 
> not change anything :-\.

Dietz,

Please run strace on digikam.

$ strace digikam

and that will let us know what is going on.

In my case I had an issue with FD 7 not being opened which led me to nepomuk.

Also could I ask you to continue to cc: the bug tracking system, so we can keep 
a record of the debugging efforts.

Thanks,
Mark


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[Bug 220236] Re: digikam still unuseable for me

[Mark Purcell]

On Wednesday 30 December 2009 23:29:47 Dietz Pröpper wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have already mailed to the list regarding this issue.
> But it seems to me that not nepomuk is the culprit, as indicated
> in the discussion. (see bug #560893)
> 
> I built me a completely nepomuk-free digikam (at least I think I did ;-))
> but can still observe the same behaviour. Digikam eats 90+% of cpu time
> after a short time running and does not terminate properly.
> 
> Attached is a strace of a digikam running mad, being closed, hanging around
> and then being killed.

Dietz,

Could I ask you to start the marble application, without digikam, and see if 
you get the same result.

I suspect this issue is being caused by the marble plugin widget in digikam.

Have a look at this report of mine:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220236

Thanks,
Mark


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digikam packages Re: Semi-official KDE SC 4.4.1 available (external repository)

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 05 March 2010 19:17:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> If I were to rebuild digikam for KDE 4.4.1 SC, which version string should 
> I use? 2:1.1.0-1 as in unstable or 3:1.1.0-1 or what? I just ask in case 
> anyone else wanted this, for my local installation I do not care that 
> much.

A package of digikam rebuilt against experimental-snapshots is available at:
http://people.debian.org/~msp

I will upload this fixed digikam to experimental once KDE 4.4.1 his 
experimental.

Mark


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Re: [KDE 4.4.1] kipi-plugins wants libkdcraw7 and libkipi6

[Mark Purcell]

On Tuesday 23 March 2010 04:39:36 Sugo wrote:
>  >aptitude -t experimental-snapshots install digikam
> 
> Yes, ok. But when I try to install kipi-plugins, it ask a dependency 
> with libkdcraw7 and libkipi6, which is not present in exp-snapshots 
> repository, and I have a conflict with kdegr

We have rebuilt digikam to work with experimental-snapshots and it is available 
in the new archive.

We have not yet rebuilt kipi-plugins.

You can do this yourself with the following commands:

Add a deb-src line to your /etc/apt/sources.list for unstable.

Then

# apt-get build-dep kipi-plugins
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libxrandr-dev x11proto-randr-dev
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded.
Need to get 71.8kB of archives.
After this operation, 332kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]? 
[...]
Goes away and install build-deps
[...]

/tmp$ apt-get -b source kipi-plugins
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Need to get 6,135kB of source archives.
Get:1 http://ftp.iinet.net.au sid/main kipi-plugins 1.1.0-1 (dsc) [1,674B]
Get:2 http://ftp.iinet.net.au sid/main kipi-plugins 1.1.0-1 (tar) [6,117kB]
Get:3 http://ftp.iinet.net.au sid/main kipi-plugins 1.1.0-1 (diff) [16.7kB] 


Fetched 6,135kB in 24s (246kB/s)


dpkg-source: info: extracting kipi-plugins in kipi-plugins-1.1.0
dpkg-source: info: unpacking kipi-plugins_1.1.0.orig.tar.gz
dpkg-source: info: applying kipi-plugins_1.1.0-1.diff.gz
dpkg-buildpackage: set CFLAGS to default value: -g -O2
dpkg-buildpackage: set CPPFLAGS to default value: 
[...]
GOes away and does rest of the build
[...]


# dpkg -i ../kipi-plugins*deb

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Re: Kde 3.5 ...

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 07 May 2010 03:26:34 Curt Howland wrote:
> There are lots of people who are interested in having KDE3
> continue, as opposed to being "forced to upgrade" to

This is what I don't understand about this conservation.

This is free software, nobody is forced to do anything.

You are free to upgrade to KDE4, you are free to keep your system running with 
KDE3 for as long as you want.  Hey I still have one system running KDE2 for 
stability reasons, its a router.

You are free to fork the KDE3 lenny packages and provide bug fixes for as long 
as you want. You are free to run KDE3 lenny without bug fixes for as long as 
you want.

The Debian KDE maintainers are free to remain in sync with upstream.

Mark


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Re: Kaffeine is a mere shadow of itself

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 07 May 2010 17:36:12 Sven Joachim wrote:
> Given that kaffeine
> 0.8 was a quite mature program with lots of features, I find this very
> sad.

Sven,

Please ensure you forward this upstream.

Thanks,
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Re: KDE in Debian, a personal POV

[Mark Purcell]

On Saturday 08 May 2010 05:52:09 Mike Bird wrote:
> Would it be possible to continue
> rebuilding and shipping KDE 3.5, perhaps in "contrib",
> perhaps with a huge "no security updates" disclaimer?

People in Debian will work on what they want too, no more, no less.

If you want a KDE3.5 team then go to http://alioth.debian.org, and create a 
pkg-kde3.5 team.

Lead, recruit and encourage people to join your team and get working on your 
problem.

You don't need to be a _developer_ to do this, you just need to be motivated.

There seems to be lots of motivation here, so channel this into your own team, 
don't try and convince other teams to work on something they don't want too.

Mark


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Re: SIP Phone Alternatives

[Mark Purcell]

On Saturday 08 May 2010 09:52:24 Leonardo Meira wrote:
> In Lenny I use Twinkle to use my SIP phone account.
> But in Squeeze I'd like to use another application in the place of Twinkle.
> Preferentially a software better integrated to the KDE 4.x/Qt 4.x desktop
> which is what I use.
> 
> Any alternative? Please give me suggestions.

IMHO twinkle is still the lead in KDE, even though it is now dead upstream :-(

ekiga is very solid and worth looking at.

Others showing promise are yate-qt4 (active development) and linphone.

Mark


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Re: KMyMoney questions

[Mark Purcell]

On Saturday 22 May 2010 03:42:45 Diederik de Haas wrote:
> - What's a good place to ask questions wrt KMyMoney? I found a mailing
> list, kmymoney-devel, but  that really looks like a mailing list for the
> developers, not for users like me.

Diederik,

There is an upstream user list or IRC is always a quick turn around:
http://kmymoney2.sourceforge.net/mailinglist.html

Mark


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Re: Kopete 1.0: Cannot load the WLM Messenger protocol plugin

[Mark Purcell]

On Sunday 25 July 2010 21:11:35 Lars Schimmer wrote:
> MSN plugin hits the error:
> "Cannot load the WLM Messenger protocol plugin".

MSN plugin works fine here on sid:

kopete/4:4.4.5-1
libmsn0.3/4.1-1.2  

Mark


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Re: KDE SC 4.5.0

[Mark Purcell]

On Thursday 12 August 2010 11:49:15 Odair Augusto Trujillo Orozco wrote:
> Please, include KDE SC 4.5.0 on Squezee.

Odair,

Typically KDE SC do not really stabilise until .2, .3 or later for more 
stability.

Thus releasing squeeze with version 4.4.5 is a good call as it is a pretty 
stable system and has had a lot of testing. This makes a good base for 
something which is going to be around as a Debian stable release for a while.

Even it it was possible trying to get 4.5.0 into squeeze, having this as the 
supported stable version would not be a good idea as the version 4.5 series of 
KDE SC has not had the extensive testing and stabilisation required for a 
Debian stable release. Even with the '16,000' bugs fixed it still requires a 
stabilisation period which a .0 version just doesn't have.

For those people who want to maintain cutting edge, I would envisage that 
something will appear at some stage in experimental.

Mark


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Re: KMyMoney 4.5

[Mark Purcell]

On Sunday 22 August 2010 07:38:00 Diederik de Haas wrote:
> On Monday 16 August 2010 23:30:16 Diederik de Haas wrote:
> > Today I got a msg that KMyMoney 4.5 was released, which completes the

I'm Planning on uploading kmymoney 4.5 to experimental in the next few days.

It won't be able to be uploaded to squeeze and it is undesirable to upload to 
unstable, until squeeze is released.

Mark


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Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] KMyMoney 4.5

[Mark Purcell]

On Sunday 22 August 2010 09:35:56 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> Can't you make an exception?
> Otherwise you will ship squeeze with a version that requires KDE3
> libs, and we won't support it nowhere near as long as the squeeze
> lifecycle.

Unfortunately not.

The freeze is frozen and we can't do much more than backport bug fixes.

Uploading to experimental now..

Mark


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Re: [Pkg-kde-extras] KMyMoney 4.5

[Mark Purcell]

On Sunday 22 August 2010 11:05:20 Alvaro Soliverez wrote:
> Is squeeze even going to have kde3 libs and some way to configure the
> kde3 settings on it?

Alvaro,

Which kde3 libs do you see kmymoney 3.98 depending on?  We have built it 
against lots of KDE 4.4 libs.

I can't see it needing any from squeeze:

http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/kmymoney

Mark


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Re: KDE SC 4.5.1 packages available

[Mark Purcell]

On Friday 10 September 2010 05:57:14 George Kiagiadakis wrote:
> Semi-official KDE SC 4.5.1 packages are now available at
> http://qt-kde.debian.net/. Enjoy!

Great work George.

Mark


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digikam 1.4.0 (was: KDE SC 4.5.1 packages available)

[Mark Purcell]

All,

I have uploaded the workinprogress digikam 1.4.0 to 
http://people.debian.org/~msp, built against the KDE SC 4.5 packages. I am 
happy for someone to upload these to qt-kde.d.n.  The authoritive source for 
digikam debian packages remains kde-extras on svn.d.o.

This allows digikam to function correctly, but does nothing for the instability 
between libmarblewidget4 & libmarblewidget10. Ie you should still manually 
uninstall libmarblewidget4, but you can now retain digikam.

kipi-plugins to follow shortly.

Mark


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Re: digikam 1.4.0 (was: KDE SC 4.5.1 packages available)

[Mark Purcell]

On Monday 13 September 2010 02:22:53 Valerio Passini wrote:
> I need some help. Trying to install your digikam packages fails because 
> of missing dependencies:
> digikam asks for digikam-data 1.4.0-0.rc
> kipi-plugins asks for kipi-plugins-common  

Valerio,

Sorry, I forgot to upload those packages.

They are now uploaded.

Mark


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