Re: Where is kdenetwork, where is Chris?
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 05:47 pm, Felix Homann wrote: > On Tuesday 04 March 2003 23:41, Daniel Stone wrote: > > Just because he doesn't have the time to answer the same > > question repeatedly to people who would rather complain than either fix > > the problem, or accept that they've done far, far less for the Debian > > KDE community than Chris, doesn't make him a bad maintainer. > > Well, in this case Chris didn't seem to answer the question even once, at > least not on this list. Hence, if you do not know what the problem actually > is how could you help fixing it? All we/I knew was that there was a > problem, whatever it was. So, all that I did complain was that nobody told > me/the list what the problem is. > > After all, I'm very happy about how soon the first official packages have > been available. Hence, Chris is definetely not a bad maintainer. But it > would make him a better maintainer if he decided to communicate a bit more > with the users. > > But now that Chris has finally answered I have nothing to complain anymore. Pfft. Debian developers are not under obligations to maintain contact on a daily basis, or even weekly basis. I have heard nothing but complaints from people who EXPECT that sid work unborkingly. If you're going to run sid, then expect that packages are delayed. The developers aren't being paid, and many need to hold a job (like everyone else) in the real world to survive. And if the simple answer, which WAS THE ONLY ANSWER, is that kdenetwork is being held up for an unknown reason, then accept that reason and either fix it or live with it. And don't tell me your original post was not demanding, it certainly was. -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Re: Where is kdenetwork, where is Chris?
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 07:41 pm, Felix Homann wrote: > Hi Scott, > > you still don't get it. So let's go through it step by step: Thank you for straightening me out! I feel so enlightened! How droll. -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Re: Where is kdenetwork, where is Chris?
On Tuesday 04 March 2003 03:17 am, Felix Homann wrote: > Dear Scott, > > thanks for your friendly comment. It's great to read such competent answers > "OVER and OVER and OVER again". Unfortunatly you did not even come close to > answering my question. This can have a couple of reasons: Oh really? > 1.) You did not even read my message. Otherwise you should have noticed > that I not only read the mailing list, I even gave you the date this was > discussed the last time. I will give you credit there, but reading the mailing list is different from coming to the realization that no one *knows* when KDE will be completely in sid. It's sid, for christ's sake. > 2.) If you have read my message, you did not understand it. I understood it perfectly. > 3.) You prefer to bash people. That may be, but that was not the case in my previous message. > According to your own criteria I guess I could call you incompetent. Not really, just a little angry at the constant questions of "when will kde be in sid, my system is borked." The question is that no one knows the current situation very well, and the question we should be asking is whether someone needs to upload the packages in his presence. The status of KDE has been announced on this mailing list for weeks. > But I > wouldn't do that, cause maybe you've just been in a bad mood. Maybe. > I could guess that you had a very hard childhood (still having it?) which > would justify your behaviour. Now this is getting stupid and absurd. I won't even respond to such a response. > But this would be just as much guessing as > your comment: "Sid is not meant for people, like you, who want to have > things work out of the box." Maybe I jumped the gun on that comment, not knowing your true intentions, but I am a little discouraged with the same people who absolutely demand that packages be uploaded, especially when they are available elsewhere, into sid and expect a working system (remember, you said you'd just as well use Ralf Nolden's *complete* packages, right? Oh, of course you said that.) > How should you know what I want? You don't even know/understand the > question I've asked! heh. > Moreover, you are definately not the one who makes the > rules for whom Sid is made... Whoa! Who the hell said I make the rules for sid? Does that mean I'm an ub3r-l33t Debian developer as well? > To make it a little simpler for you, let me cite my original question: "Why > has kdenetwork still not made it into Sid?" That wasn't your original question. > Since you seemingly don't know the answer why do you pretend to answer at > all? Because I did know the answer. Not everything you're looking for, but not everything you're looking for exists. > Apologies are welcome, Before we bore and frustrate the general audience, let's take this off-list. In fact, I don't feel like even making a flame war out of it to begin, so let's just not take it anywhere. Unless you want to. :) -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Re: Where is kdenetwork, where is Chris?
On Monday 03 March 2003 06:39 pm, Jeff Elkins wrote: > I'm a Debian newbie/refugee from RedHat and don't consider myself > particularly unqualified to use Sid. And yes, I'm wondering where KDE 3.1 > (complete) is and why I can't use apt-get to install it rather than > compiling my own. There's nothing with wrong with being a newbie. And nothing wrong with being a newbie using sid. It's just that if you require a working system that works well and never really changes radically (like gcc et cetera), then woody would be better. If you haven't had difficulties yet with sid, you will. Unless you want to take the time and effort to read mailing lists, newsgroups, Google, bugs.debian.org and the others. Sid is a great distribution for newbies (and of course gurus alike) who want to learn more about their systems and who want to face problems (which they then like to fix, or keep broken if they can't.) > I have searched the archives and they don't provide the info. That's because it's sid. The reason KDE is in disarray to begin with is due to various problems (most of which not need to be reiterated.) > I don't > understand why this is an unreasonable question. I need to install KDE 3.1 > on two slow iMac powerpc boxes and apt-get would beat the heck out of > compiles. > > In general, my experience with Sid has been fine. Not if you need KDE and it ain't working for you. :) -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Re: Where is kdenetwork, where is Chris?
On Monday 03 March 2003 01:52 pm, Felix Homann wrote: > Hi, > > once again the question: Why has kdenetwork still not made it into Sid? > > I think this has been discussed the last time on February 23. No answer has > been given... > > Chris Cheney hasn't shown up on this list since February 16. Is he > suffering some illness? Is he in trouble with kdenetwork? Is there anything > we/I can do to help? Is he still involved in KDE packaging? > > ...or should I have sticked to Woody with Ralf Nolden's excellent *and > complete* packages??? > > A short note on kdenetwork's status, hows and whys would be highly > appreciated! First of all, if you are running sid then you should be competent enough to READ THE MAILING LIST (or list archives) and FIGURE OUT that kdenetwork et cetera is at: deb http://people.debian.org/~ccheney/kde-other/ ./ I would suggest you use a distribution, like woody, that isn't in rapid development and does not require going to the archives or Google to have it work. Sid is not meant for people, like you, who want to have things work out of the box. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I'm just in a irritated mood with topics that have been discussed OVER and OVER and OVER again. :) -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Re: compiling QT apps?
On Sunday 16 February 2003 11:58 am, Sebastian Gutweiler wrote: > * Corey Kovacs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030216 18:12]: > > I've been trying to get some projects going in Kdevelop but every time I > > try to configure the app to compile I get this... > > > > checking for Qt... configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.1 (20021021)) (headers > > and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! > > Maybe setting QTDIR=/usr/share/qt helps? I had the same problem and this solution worked. However, I used '/usr/share/qt3' instead of '/usr/share/qt'. This did the trick. Thanks! -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Instructions for Karolina's KDE3.1 packages?
Can I migrate from KDE 3.0.x directly to Karolina's KDE 3.1.x packages
directly using an 'apt-get upgrade', or should I purge all my KDE packages
like so when upgrading from KDE 2.2.x to KDE 3.0.x? I have read past articles
implying that I can just do a direct upgrade, but I would like to confirm.
What is the best way to upgrade to KDE 3.1? Are there any stability issues I
should be aware of other than the obvious security hole which kept it from
officially being released earlier?
Thanks.
--
Scott C. Linnenbringer
finger sl at eskimo.com
Re: kde 3 in woody - why so hard
On Thursday 05 December 2002 9:48, Stephen Birch wrote: > I guess I don't get this. > > The advantage of debian over all other distributions is meant to be the > ease of upgrades. Indeed, it is VERY well done, the apt mechanism is a > beautiful piece of software engineering. > > So how come kde isn't trivial to upgrade? > > In my new user naivety, I would have thought you could just add the kde.org > site to sources.list and apt-update/apt-upgrade. > > But I see a number of postings about all kinds of complicated issues. > > I gave it a try myself, and ended up with a horrible mess. You *do* have to follow directions if you are ever going to install unofficial packages. I've made the same mistake and have paid dearly for it. The official unofficial Debian-KDE is located at: http://davidpashley.com/debian-kde/faq.html An excellent resource for all your KDE on Debian needs. -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
Mirror of http://ers.linuxforum.hu/kde3deb/
I'm wanting to use some of the debian packages from http://ers.linuxforum.hu/kde3deb/, but I am denied access. Has anyone mirrored the packages from this source, specifically arson and krusader? And it's been this way for a couple of weeks, so indeed, it probably is dead. Thanks. -- Scott C. Linnenbringer finger sl at eskimo.com
