Re: Timeline for KF6?

2024-02-01 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2024-02-01, Nilesh Patra  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I wanted to update angelfish which now needs qt6 and KDE Framework 6.
> As per my searching, it seems kf6 is not yet present in the Debian
> archive - not even in experimental.
>
> Any timeline for this yet - or any info as to when this is planned to
> be uploaded?

Note that KF6 is not yet released.

KF6 is planned to be released on 28th of february.

/Sune



Re: kded5 crashes

2022-12-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2022-12-06, luca.pedrielli  wrote:
> #6  0x7fa425233563 n/a (kded_apperd.so + 0xe563)
> #7  0x7fa425233b99 n/a (kded_apperd.so + 0xeb99)

Can you try remove apper and see if that is the culprit ?

/Sune



Re: #887495, cupsd not finding printer, KDE plays a role here

2018-10-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2018-10-11, Marc Haber  wrote:
> However, it looks like KDE plays a role in the issue: Log out of KDE,
> log in with a different desktop environment, retry the print job, and
> see CUPS work. Log out of the different desktop environment, log in to
> KDE, try printing, see CUPS still work.

It could also be "different desktop environment" doing something that
maybe Plasma also should do.

I'm assuming it is the exact same way you try to do printing when it
succeeds or doesn't. (as in. Okular in all cases, or firefox in all
cases or ...)


I think print-manager contains the gui bits that lets you handle a
printer in a plasma desktop, but I don't think it tries to set anything
up on login.

Other possibilities, but this is more like guessing/brainstorming:
 - cups has some kind of security pattern where you need to register
   specifically with logind / policykit in order to get printer access
 - cups has some subservices that needs to be invoked in a special way
   (dbus activation of some sorts) that for some reason doesn't happen
   in your case until you visit with other-desktop.

But this is just throwing random pointers in random directions.

/Sune



Re: kdepim 18.08.1 entering unstable

2018-10-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2018-10-06, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> One minor thing I found: I now have that sidebar telling me whether it 
> is a HTML message or not. I think I made it to be gone before, but did 
> not find that option anymore. I remember having seen a bug report about 
> this.

IIRC it was an active decision in some of the EFAIL mitigations to be
more clear about what was html mails and what wasn't.

/Sune



Re: Plasma 5: no more KDEHOME?

2018-02-24 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2018-02-22, Joao Roscoe  wrote:
> How could I avoid conflicts between different versions of kde from now on?

all kde and qt applications follows the XDG spec for this, and the
related set of environment variables.

/Sune



Re: replacing plasma notifications by another notification daemon

2016-06-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2016-06-15, Cédric Boutillier  wrote:
>> Can't you just right click on the systray and disable the notifications
>> part of it?
>
> When I do that, I just get no notifications at all. When I try to start
> dunst, it says:

Then I'd suggest you report a bug upstream (and make sure martin
klapetek is aware)

/Sune



Re: replacing plasma notifications by another notification daemon

2016-06-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2016-06-14, Cédric Boutillier  wrote:
> Is there a way to tell KDE to not deal with nofications at all and let
> another program do it? I haven't found any, and for the moment, the only

Can't you just right click on the systray and disable the notifications
part of it?

/Sune



Re: Status of Qt 5.5?

2015-10-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-10-14, Carsten Pfeiffer  wrote:
> I'm wondering what's the status of Qt 5.5 (in experimental). I'm suffering 

I think the plan is to push it to unstable soon after 5.5.1 is out.

But note that the QScreen bug is not yet fixed.

/Sune



Re: Akonadi/KDEPIM upgrade hints

2015-09-20 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-09-20, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> According to what I saw on debian-qt-kde-ml Maxy basically uploaded Akonadi, 
> KDEPIM and kdepim-runtime stuff to unstable, yet, as far as I am aware its 
> important to update it all in once.

It looks like it for now is targetting experimental.

/Sune



Re: Where does plasma 5 store its configuration?

2015-09-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-09-11, Valerio Passini  wrote:
> Hello. Today I've faced a problem with a widget and I needed to reset my
> plasmashell configuration, but I've been puzzled by the fact that
> configuration files seem have been moved from .kde to .config. in my home
> directory. I would like to know if all the kde plasma 5 configuration is
> now moved to .config and I can safely remove .kde because it's unnecessary.
> Thanks

There are still applications built on the kdelibs kde4 technology, and
they still use .kde.

Once you safely can remove the package libkdecore5, you will likely be
able to remove .kde.

But note that apps built with KF5 copies over their configuration on
first run, so you might want to keep it around a bit later, until you
have started all your applications.

/Sune



Re: GCC 5 transition

2015-08-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-08-13, Allan Sandfeld Jensen  wrote:
> Why does the KDE and Qt packaged depend on specific versions of GCC anyway, 
> Qt 
> doesn't care about libstdc++ ABI, you can link to two different incompatible 
> versions and it will work fine.

Most stuff doesn't. Especially the Qt stuff. But there are a few bits in
the K-stack that e.g. uses boost or other stdlib expanding things.

/Sune



Re: sddm versus kdm

2015-08-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-08-02, Jimmy Johnson <420.christian.sin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sune that's the second time you have posted that, I don't view it as 
> being helpful.  It seems to me that KDM is only missing a systemsetting 
> module/plugin in order to work properly with plasma 5.

I'm pretty sure that kdm will also be gone from debian before christmas,
if not already next month, so staying with kdm is not really an option.

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Re: sddm versus kdm

2015-08-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-08-02, Gary Dale  wrote:
> For a KDE user, what do people think are the strengths and weaknesses of 
> the two managers?

KDM is dead upstream, SDDM is alive.

I think that's the simplest way of summing it up.

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Re: Things possibly missing/broken from Plasma 5 on Sid?

2015-07-22 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-21, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
>> - No colord / KDE color profile manager
>
> No idea yet.

I think we need to have someone with a interest in this take ownership
of something like this. Like someone who actively uses color meters and
such.  I do find the topic .. interesting, but I neither have the time
nor the hardware to work on that. And I can't see the difference between
peach yellow and sun yellow anyways.

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Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?

2015-07-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> In my case, without KDEDIRS being effective, desktop files below 
> /usr/local/kde4 are no longer found. And so KDE doesn't know about these 
> applications anymore.

Yeah. desktop files is another thing put in sycoca.

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Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?

2015-07-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-12, Brad Rogers  wrote:
>>Oh, but /usr/local/kde4/bin *is* in the PATH on my system. And with=20
>>KDEDIRS set appropriately, KDE did find them there, too.
>
> I'm unclear on that;  Was /usr/local/kde4/bin(1) included in the PATH
> setting and KDEDIRS _also_ referred to it, or did only KDEDIRS reference
> that specific directory?  Not that it matter much;  If the directory is
> in the PATH, IDK why things aren't being found there.

KDEDIRS is needed to have sycoca4 pick up things like plugins and stuff.

And very many apps is mostly built out of plugins.

For example KDevelop, Kontact and Konqueror.

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Re: Where to set KDEDIRS or alternative?

2015-07-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
>
> I'm using a few self-build KDE applications that are installed in 
> /usr/local/kde4. In order for KDE to find them, I've added this path to 
> KDEDIRS (in /etc/environment). With Plasma 5 this setting apparently has 
> become obsolete. Is there another one that replaces it?
http://jpwhiting.blogspot.fi/2014/11/autostart-in-plasma-5.html

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Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!

2015-07-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-12, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> * ksysguard (panel) widgets. I thought these little graphs were really 
> useful. In my case, I had them for overall CPU utilization, network I/O, 
> and temperature.

I think I read that the graphs are coming back upstream.

> * Skype and others don't show up in the system tray any more. 
> Apparently, I need to install sni-qt which isn't packaged, yet. See 
> https://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=289&t=124670

I don't expect sni-qt4 and a heavily patched qt to land in debian
anytime soon.

> * Folder View for the desktop doesn't seem to work. Originally, I was 
> able to choose "Folder View" somewhere in Desktop Settings and indeed 
> the contents of ~/Desktop were shown on the desktop. After another 
> update, the setting disappeared and Layout is fixed at "Desktop".

What do you mean by "originally" and "another update" ?


> * The Veromix plasmoid doesn't work anymore and there doesn't seem to be 
> a suitable replacement to control PulseAudio from a panel.

All plasma widgets needs to be updated for plasma5. That's just how it
is. Better tell the upstreams of your favourite 3rd party plasma widgets
that they better get started.


And I'm pretty sure that everything plasma5 haven't landed in unstable
yet, but if the issues you have mentioned are the biggest ones around,
I'm so far pretty happy about the state of things.

/Sune


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Re: So I have a Plasma 5 desktop!

2015-07-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-11, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> Am Freitag, 10. Juli 2015, 10:34:44 schrieb Valerio Passini:
>> Hello, I found this misbehaviours:
> […]
>> 2) browsing directories within an application when using settings doesn't
>> work: i.e.: while dolphin works, the directory browser does not because
>> directories are not shown.
>
> apt-get install kio

I think we have a bug about putting the kio package into the dependency
chain the right place. It was at least discussed like .. yesterday .. in
the s3cr3t irc channel.

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Re: First KF5 / Plasma 5 experiences

2015-07-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-07-04, tv.deb...@googlemail.com  wrote:
> _the "Globe" (Marble) desktop background broken, so the desktop 
> background is empty grey.

I don't think marble yet is released on Qt5, so that can't work 

> _The "smooth task", "frame" and several other plasma widgets are broken.

I guess some of them will die if no one picks them up, others will
appear at one point or another.

/Sune


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Re: Bluetooth sound and KNotify

2015-07-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-06-29, newbee...@nativobject.net  wrote:
> When my bluetooth speakers are usable, all works well, but when I'm too far 
> or if there 
> are off, knotify crash and I can't change the sound configuration in the 
> systemsettings 
> center, it also crash...

Backtraces, or it didn't happen.

It is a while ago since I last used my bluetooth connected speakers (but my
computer and speakers are only 4 meters (and a wall) between eachothers.

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Re: colord-kde

2015-05-25 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2015-05-25, Rubin Abdi  wrote:
> Hi there. I just got a USB color calibration tool and ran dispcalgui to g=
> et a few nice profiles done. I'm having some trouble getting dispcalgui t=
> o apply them. After some Googling I'm lead to believe that I might be mis=
> sing something inside my system settings, specifically either Kolor or co=
> lord-kde. Searching through apt-cache yields not results. Any suggestions=
> ? Thanks.

I think the main reason for colord-kde not being in debian is because
the people interested in K-software doesn't have such a fancy device to
actually test it.

I'm sure if you or others actually want to investigate packaging it,
there is plenty of help to get on debian-mentors and similar places.

/Sune


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Re: KDE Partition Manager

2014-08-18 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-08-18, Nick Boyce  wrote:
> [resent - original on 17/08/2014 did not appear]
>
> Is KDE Partition Manager [1] still a maintained package ?

Kind of not, kind of.

the most active person of the past, george, is not active any longer.
I have talked with someone considering taking it over, but I'm not sure
what the state of it is.  I'm sure you are more than welcome to join in.

> (There's a Debian bug #754580 [9] requesting the maintainer to package 
> "upstream version 1.1.0", but (a) I haven't found any reference to such a 
> version anywhere else,  (b) the kde.org page for the package [7] has a 
> screenshot showing version 1.0.5, (c) it also states that the package 
> homepage 
> is at Sourceforge [8], but the Sourceforge page offers only version 1.0.0beta 
> [!] and states that the main developer has died and the package moved to 
> kde.org as of January 2014 . "curious", said Alice)

It is correct that Volker Lanz has died.

It is also correct that Andrius Stikonas has taken up the torch (pun
intended) upstream and released a 1.1.0 version.

https://stikonas.eu/wordpress/?p=8

But feel free to get in touch with me or others if you want to
contribute to the packaging in debian.

/Sune


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Re: pm-suspend and KDE sleep

2014-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-16, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> Anyway, on a server (jessie; headless) I just installed systemd-sysv and 
> from the looks of it, it works. On my notebook (sid; multiarch amd64 and 
> i486) installing was a little more complicated. I had to put policykit 
> (0.105-6) to prevent it and packages depending on it from being 
> uninstalled.

if you did like apt-get install systemd-shim- systemd-sysv, it should
allow polkit and more to stay installed.

/sune


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Re: pm-suspend and KDE sleep

2014-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-16, Diederik de Haas  wrote:
> I'm in the same boat as Michael Schuering and I haven't been switched e=
> ither.
> I now do have various systemd related packages installed, but I'm not=20=
>
> switched.

Have you the systemd-shim package installed?  Did you actively select it
at some point?

(there is somewhere in the dependency chain a systemd-sysv |
systemd-shim dependency - the former makes systemd theh default init
system. The second one tries to mimic systemd)

/Sune


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Re: pm-suspend and KDE sleep

2014-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-16, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 July 2014 12:34:58 Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> But nowadays, systemd is the default.
>
> Is it? On my main computer, I run a regularly updated sid and nothing 
> there has replaced sysvinit, so far. Also, I just installed a VM from 
> the current jessie alpha 1 installer and I still got sysvinit.

I don't know if the installer is fixed yet, but on all my systems, I
have been automatically switched to systemd.

And judging by the flamewars in various forums, I'm not the only one
being switched.

But it is decided that the default for jessie is systemd.

/Sune


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Re: pm-suspend and KDE sleep

2014-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-16, Facundo Aguilera  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:19 AM, Sune Vuorela  wrote:
>> On 2014-07-16, Facundo Aguilera  wrote:
>>> In my case, Suspend and Hibernate options have disappeared from
>>> Kickoff after last upower upgrade. Downgrading it to 0.9.23-2+b2
>>> solves this problem.
>>
>> What init system do you use ?
>
> Just default sysvinit.

the logind detection code in kde-workspace unfortunately only works with
systemd as init system. Yes it is a bug. And yes patches is accepted.

I can provide pointers to where it likely goes wrong.

But nowadays, systemd is the default.

/Sune


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Re: pm-suspend and KDE sleep

2014-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-16, Facundo Aguilera  wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:14 AM, Diederik de Haas  
> wrote:
>> ...
>> No, my config files are pretty much identical to yours.
>> It did work a couple of months ago.
>>
>> Since a couple of days the Suspend and Hibernate options have disappeared 
>> from
>> Kickoff...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>   Diederik
>
> In my case, Suspend and Hibernate options have disappeared from
> Kickoff after last upower upgrade. Downgrading it to 0.9.23-2+b2
> solves this problem.

What init system do you use ?

/Sune


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Re: No more Bluetooth in kde Sid with bluez 5

2014-07-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-07-14, MERLIN Philippe  wrote:
> Hi,
> Bluetooth does not work in kde Sid after update of bluez to 5, bluedevil 1.3 
> can't work with bluez 5, the packet bluedevil 2 can do it, is there any hope 
> that this packet move from experimental to Sid?
> Best regard.
> Philippe Merlin

The amazing Didier Raboud did upload bluedevil2 to sid today.

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Re: CD rip using Konqueror/Dolphin?

2014-03-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-03-15, D. R. Evans  wrote:
> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156)
> --enig2ULMCRGECCWQLEKILUALG
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Martin Steigerwald said the following at 03/15/2014 02:24 AM :
>

 is kio-audiocd installed?
>>>
>>> Magic! Thank you. (It's actually the package kdemultimedia-kio-plugins=
>  that
>>> has to be installed. Not sure why it's not installed by default, but a=
> nyway
>>> that did the trick.)
>>=20
>> Does it work for you?
>>=20
>
> Yes. As soon as I installed kdemultimedia-kio-plugins, everything worked.=
>

Note that there is a slight chance that Evans is a stable user, while
Steigerwald is using testing/unstable.

/Sune


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Re: CD rip using Konqueror/Dolphin?

2014-03-13 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-03-13, D. R. Evans  wrote:
> I've tried entering various obvious possibilities into the URL bar of
> Konqueror, but none of them reads the CD and presents me with the list of=
>
> virtual directories that I'm used to.

is kio-audiocd installed?

/Sune


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Re: KDE cleanup

2014-03-13 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-03-13, Brad Alexander  wrote:
> --089e014939747019b304f472eab1
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> I noticed that there are a variety of kde packages installed on my system.
> There are mostly 4.11.[3-7] packages, but I see some much, much older
> packages, including
>
> libkworkspace44:4.7.4-2+b1
> libkworkspace4abi14:4.8.4-6
> libkdegames5a 4:4.8.4-3
> libkdecorations4  4:4.8.4-6
>
> and so forth. Could and/or should packages like that be removed? And is
> there a clean way of doing it without breaking the interface? Or should I
> let it ride?

apt's autoremove feature should help you keeping your system clean.
Alternatively deborphan can help.

/Sune


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Re: [OT] KDM No Longer In KDE ?!?

2014-02-17 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-02-18, Nick Boyce  wrote:
> agree - but won't X's ability to carry display traffic from one machine
> to another be sorely missed by some people ?  I seem to recall reading
> something about shims for that, but I wonder quite how well it would
> work (more reading to do).

The way Qt draws these days, with more and more being drawn with OpenGL,
the way gtk works all makes plain x11-forwarding (or x11 over ssh)
basically useless.

More modern protocols like spice seems to be taking over here.

/Sune


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Re: [OT] KDM No Longer In KDE ?!?

2014-02-17 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2014-02-17, Nick Boyce  wrote:
> Thanks, I guess that explains it ... well mostly ... I had thought that
> Wayland was just an optional alternative to X for the major desktops for
> a long time to come, but that article seems to state that it'll be
> Wayland or nothing, sometime "soon".  Anyway, your link mentions the
> replacements (which perhaps the KDE commit-digest might have done).

Wayland is coming. Martin Graesslin (who occasionally reads here) is
running stuff there.

My phone is running wayland.

So it is coming soon. 

/Sune


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Any kppp users out there?

2014-01-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
Hi friendly users

No people in or around the Debian KDE team seems to be using KPPP. There
is some changes that need to happen in that package, but doing them
without any testing is a recipe for disaster.

So if we have a skilled user or two out there who uses it, and isn't
completely linux illitterate, and willing to help a bit, please email
me. My email address is valid.

Note that users on stable as well as testing/unstable are most welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Sune 
 - one of your KDE packagers


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Re: What happened to rekonq?

2013-12-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-12-04, Diederik de Haas  wrote:
> Would that fix the situation of an unmaintained QtWebKit?

It is still not very closely security supported upstream, but it is
something we should look into at one point.

If interested in helping, please contact me (svuorela) on irc.debian.org
or in #debian-kde channel.

I do want to allocate time to answer questions, but I can't promise
package sponsorship.

/Sune


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Re: What happened to rekonq?

2013-12-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-12-02, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> What is the oppinion of the Debian Qt/KDE team on this?

I don't think the Debian Qt/KDE team has a opinion. Debian Qt/KDE team
maintains QtWebkit, and the kpart-webkit besides khtml. I also maintain
Arora.

I have no plans to work on rekonq but I also don't have any plans to
work on it.

Felix was looking at taking over Rekonq but his conclusion was as the
bug says.

/Sune


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Re: What happened to rekonq?

2013-12-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-12-02, José Manuel Santamaría Lema  wrote:
> So at this point I have two possible conclusions about that "diversity 
> statement"[1] which generated some debate in the mailing lists, it's either:
> a) packaging qtwebkit doesn't count as a "contribution which interacts 
> constructively with our community"
> or
> b) it's the greatest bullshit ever told about debian.

The Debian Qt/KDE team has asked Jose Manuel Santamaria Lema to leave
the team because he is a poisonous person to work with. 

The Diversity Statement luckily isn't inclusive on this point.

Please consider sending replies to my mailbox and not on the list.

/Sune


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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

2013-07-17 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-07-17, David Goodenough  wrote:
>  kdelibs-bin : Conflicts: kdelibs4c2a but 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-5 is installed.

Aha. you have kde3 kdelibs still installed. Apparantly apt has a bit of
issues with the removal here. kdelibs4c2a is kde3 kdelibs and need sto
be removed.

>  kdepim-wizards : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1) but 4:4.10.5-1 
> is to be installed.

kdepim-wizards as a package is gone

>  kdepim-groupware : Depends: libkdepim4 (= 4:4.4.11.1+l10n-3+b1) but 
> 4:4.10.5-1 is to be installed.

and so is this.

>   Remove the following packages: 

these are in general kde3/qt3 stuff, except the two packages mentioned
above.

>   Leave the following dependencies unresolved:   
> 98) libmarblewidget13 recommends marble-plugins (= 4:4.8.4-3)

libmarblewidget13 is going away.


I think it is safe to accept that solution. I think that apt also should
be able to give a better solution if you remove kdelibs4c2a first. Note
that kdelibs4c2a is not part of latest stable release.

/Sune


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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

2013-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-07-16, Marco Valli  wrote:
> In data martedì 16 luglio 2013 13:12:04, Sune Vuorela ha scritto:
>> Sorry. We don't support mixing packages with siduction.
>
> He is not the same David ;)

Hah. nice catch!

/Sune


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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

2013-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-07-16, David Baron  wrote:
>> This has been going on for a few days now, but I will check again tomorrow.
>> The architecture is x86.
>> 
>> If it is still a problem in the morning I will cut and paste the apt-get
>> output and post it here.
>> 
>> David
>
> I have updated a couple of times from Sid without any problems (once 
> restarted 
> or rebooted). Had the siduction and some experimental packages installed 
> before 
> this, however.

Sorry. We don't support mixing packages with siduction.

/Sune


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Re: In the update to 4.10 ...

2013-07-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-07-16, David Goodenough  wrote:
> how many packages are expected to be removed.  apt-get is telling me 213,
> including things like akregator that I use every day.  

I would say like a handful plus some replacements (like libfoo6abi1
replaced by libfoo6abi2)

It might be that the mirror is slightly outdated or that the build
network just is catching up.

If the error still persist tomorrow, please tell your architecture and
exactly what apt is telling you.

/Sune


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Re: Kopete upgrade loses OTR?

2013-06-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-06-14, Brad Alexander  wrote:
> yet, there is no otr in the plugins list, nor, I notice, is there an
> openpgp plugin. Have these protocols been deprecated, or is there some step
> or package that I am missing?

The new version of the OTR library does unfortunately not work with
kopete.

/Sune


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Re: Kde 4.11 in backports?

2013-05-30 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-05-30, Markus Raab  wrote:
> I heard from rhonda that a new version of kde will arrive to wheezy-
> backports sooner or later. Is this true?

Maybe not. We can't push packages to backports until packages are in
wheezy.

/Sune


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Re: Trinity/KDE3

2013-05-22 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-05-22, Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> is there a chance of ever seeing Trinity in Debian?

I'm not going to invest 1 minute in trinity. And I think the rest of the
team feels the same.

So, you are free to do it, but don't come asking for help or guidance.

/Sune


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Re: Building a custom package containing a small patch

2013-05-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-05-02, Stanley Schade  wrote:
> $ apt-get sources okular
> $ cd okular-4.8.4

instead of:

> $ patch -p1 ../changeset_r7d18d176bc60855dec4f38262fa32d9aa31146c4.diff
> (changeset_r... is the diff downloaded from KDE)

do 

echo changeset_r > debian/patches/series
mv changeset_r... debian/patches

then you skip the dpkg-source commit step.

/Sune


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Re: Back to KDEPIM 1 and KDE SC 4.8.4 due to repeated mail data loss

2013-04-17 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-17, Pino Toscano  wrote:
>| kmail 4:4.10.2-0r4 newer than version in archive

In this case, it is packages provided by me for early testing. They
don't differ except a bit of typos (and workarounds for a well known
aptitude vs sbuild issue) from the packages I later pushed to
experimental.

/Sune


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Re: KDE 4.10

2013-04-17 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-17, Aribert Biel  wrote:
> I downgraded kdepim 4:4.10.2-1 from experimental back to  kdepim 
> 4:4.10.2-0ubuntu3 from ubuntu raring. 

Sorry, you just voided your warranty. Do *not* mix debian and ubuntu
packages.

/Sune


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Re: kscreensaver

2013-04-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-15, Diane Trout  wrote:
> E.g. I think this is the all of the active code.
>
> #ifdef HAVE_KEXIV2
>   KExiv2Iface::KExiv2 exiv(fname);
>   exiv.rotateExifQImage(mImage, exiv.getImageOrientation());
> #endif
>
> How do you decide the value of minor features?

common sense. Including the value and the size of such a thing and the
chance of having it installed anyways.

I think that in this case, it is fully acceptable.

/Sune


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Re: KDE 4.10 (was Re: knode: trying to overwrite key.png, which is also in package libkpgp4)

2013-04-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-15, Diane Trout  wrote:
> My understanding is that kmail2 needs nepomuk and akonadi to work, and its 
> Nepomuk that has a hard dependency on virtuoso. Akonadi is incompatible with 

kmail2 needs nepomuk to work in all regards, like searching for emails
and distribution lists and some bits of address completion.
but it shouldn't be a hard runtime requirement to have virtuoso
available.

My suggestion for some of you who seems to have gotteng the system to
work after installing virtuoso, what happens if you disable nepomuk in
systemsettings afterwards?  Does mail stop appearing? 

/Sune


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Re: KDE 4.10

2013-04-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-15, Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> Okay. I’m running into some issues too, kmail 2 is apparently a very
> different beast… but yes, it doesn’t start at all without virtuoso,
> something about requiring the soprano virtuoso plugin (or the other
> way round, don’t remember precisely).

Ok. then we better consider adding that somewhere.

> It also turns out that I had to list every single package (and remove
> kdemultimedia) to get everything upgraded to 4.10 (then use apt-mark
> markauto to get them back to “automatically installed” state), so I
> may or may not have some issues due to having a mixed system for a
> while (did upgrade now, but some stuff’s not in yet).

look for versions of 4.8.4 packages on your system. I think we are
planning to soon update some of the metapackages to be helpful,
including getting kdegames and kdemultimedia metapackages back.

> I wonder if, at this point, it’d be useful to throw away the kontact
> configuration and make a new one. On the other hand, kolabwizard does
> not seem to be available any more, and I don’t know the equivalent
> akonadi magic. I had funny issues, such as two default outgoing mail
> servers (really!)… I kept the old config around at first because it
> worked better with the from-kde3-upgraded one than a fresh install of
> wheezy on another system used to work…

the kolab stuff has mostly been moved out to a separate set of libraries
that aren't yet in debian (we are working towards it though).

/Sune


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Re: KDE 4.10 (was Re: knode: trying to overwrite key.png, which is also in package libkpgp4)

2013-04-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-15, Thorsten Glaser  wrote:
> Maybe kdepim should Depends virtuoso-minimal and either
> depend on akonadi 1.9 or break akonadi < 1.9 ?

At least something related to akonadi has already been committed to the
git packaging repository. There is likely a few other rough ends here
and there.  Is virtuoso-minimal a hard requirement for kdepim?

/Sune


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Re: Shisensho

2013-04-13 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-13, David Baron  wrote:
> This very lovely Majong matching game is part of kde games. I have installed 
> the siduction kde4.10 packages.

for a second time, please take stuff related to siduction off this list.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-13 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-07, Sune Vuorela  wrote:
> Feel free to contact me privately. But note that that you need to have a
> good personal backup strategy.

Based on various feedback from the nice volunteers including Diane,
Andreas, Martin, Marco, Edward and Michael, the package is now in
experimental.

Good luck! :)

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-12, Libor Klepáč  wrote:

Hi

> Preparing to replace kleopatra 4:4.8.3-0r0 (using 

This is not a version we have been providing, so upgrading from it is on
your own.

> .../kleopatra_4.10.2-0r4_amd64.deb) ...

This is also not a package we have been providin so upgrading to it is
on your own.

you should be able to recover with repaeting the install a couple of
times.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-08 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-06, Diederik de Haas  wrote:
> Sune said:
>> the 'normal' experimental is where the action happens, but it happens
>> currently dripwise and not as a big chunk, as it makes stuff easier for
>> the developers. It includes prepearation for the modern kdepim.
>
> Is that the reason that if I want to do a full-upgrade, the 'solution' to the 
> conflicts is to remove the kdepim apps? And will that be resolved once the 
> modern 
> kdepim (thanks!) is uploaded as well? 

Yes. and yes.

I do have - completely untested - but allright-looking packages
available - and if there is a couple of interested people with a good
personal backup strategy, I don't mind sharing them a bit.

Feel free to contact me privately. But note that that you need to have a
good personal backup strategy.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-05, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> What was the reason for qt-kde.debian.net then? From the page:

Some people thinks experimental is hard. Other people dislike doing the
copyright-documentation that is required for the official archive. And
qt-kde.d.n also could allow people who isn't a DD/DM to put packages
there.

I think 1) is bogus. But note that experimental is also sometimes used
for stuff that is *experimental*.
2) is just a way to delay work that anyways needs to be done. so just
get it done.
and 3) I just think is a bad idea.

> So a goal can be to have experimental always be ready to accept new KDE SC 
> packages? At what times wasn?t it? Does it have to do with the freeze? I 
> always thought the freeze would only affect sid.

It is completely unrelated to the freeze.

> Well but then this discussion is out of scope here on the list, since it 
> basically is a users mailing list.

Ack.


Oh. and note that what's in experimental now is still considered
experimental. so ensure you have backups ready if you install it.
And it is definately not ready for bug reports like 'you miss '.
Actual upgrade issues, like file overlaps and such - you are most
welcome to report those. But remember your backup.

And finally, if any newcomer wants to help on easy tasks (there is lots
of easy packages left), please contact me.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-05 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-05, Julian  wrote:
> Were the servers down at qt-kde.debian.net? Sorry I'm just confused as
> to why 4.10 isn't there?

pushing things to qt-kde.debian.net is quite some extra work for
everybody, for example it is not hooked up to debian autobuilder
infrastructure, so it is basicalyl doubling the work if the work is
planned to end up in the real debian archive.

personally, I also think that qt-kde.debian.net isn't a good solution to
any problem. Stuff should in my opinion happen in the debian archive.
Oh. and it is me who has pushed most stuff to the archive so far.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-04, David Baron  wrote:
> All  siduction pakages upgraded today, saw -dev packages there as well.

Please take siduction support off this list.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.10

2013-04-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-04-04, Diederik de Haas  wrote:
> On Thursday 04 April 2013 08:21:39 Diederik de Haas wrote:
>> The upgrade fails on my system, each time with kde-runtime-data.
>
> Please disregard my previous msg, since I was upgrading from the 'normal' 
> experimental.

the 'normal' experimental is where the action happens, but it happens
currently dripwise and not as a big chunk, as it makes stuff easier for
the developers. It includes prepearation for the modern kdepim.

/Sune


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Re: booting Wheezy from lilo.

2013-02-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-02-14, john Culleton  wrote:
> As recommended I replaced my Knoppix install with Wheezy. Now I need to
> add this partition to my lilo.conf file in my main partition (grub is
> not an option here.) Here is the lilo code that booted Knoppix OK.
> Unfortunately it doesn't boot Wheezy. I linked the vmlinux(etc) file to
> vmlinux in the boot partition. That didn't help.

last century called. they want their bootloader back :)

>
> What should I put in my lilo.conf? Here is a fragment from what I
> have now: 
>
> # Linux bootable partition config begins
> image = /sda2/boot/vmlinuz
>   root = /dev/sda2
>   label = wheezy
>   read-only  
> # Partitions should be mounted read-only for checking
> # Linux bootable partition config ends

>From my long and forgotten lilo.conf file:

image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-5-686
label="32-5"
initrd=/boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-5-686
read-only
optional

I guess the difference from what you are doing is that you miss a initrd
image if you use a distribution kernel...

/Sune


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Re: digikam 3.0 not co-installable with some parts of KDE

2013-02-11 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-02-11, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> Is there any way to resolve the following without messing my system up?

No. unfortunately not.

/Sune


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Re: IRC

2013-01-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-23, Julian  wrote:
> IRC is very timezone biased.

it is. And we currently span south america and europe.

But else, email will have to do. Note though that for email ping-pong my
answers can be very brief and it should not be taken as 'impolite'. just
a terse writing style.

/Sune


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Re: My impressions on KDE and KDEPIM 4.10

2013-01-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-23, Benjamin Eikel  wrote:
> What about the packages on alioth?
> http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kdetrunk/pool/main/n/nepomuk-core/

please note that packages in /kdetrunk/ are *very* experimental and will very
likely either break your system or prevent upgrades or in other ways
break your system.
Unless you are a absolute expert, you should not use whatever you find
there.

/Sune


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Re: My impressions on KDE and KDEPIM 4.10

2013-01-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-23, Julian  wrote:
> Do you know of anything > KDE 4.8.4 waiting to be officially pushed to
> the debian repository once wheezy is stable?

afaik, debian git has something close to 4.9.4 in a branch, thanks to
santa and others

We only rarely look at unreleased stuff. there is frequently too much
fluctuation in stuff even up until release time.

/Sune


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Re: My impressions on KDE and KDEPIM 4.10

2013-01-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-23, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda  wrote:
> it's not easy to collaborate with the debian-kde maintainers, probably 
> because, as you have said below (...we have in the past been burned a bit..) 

We do frequently get new contributors from time to time. so it can't be
that hard. Try drop by in #debian-qt-kde on irc.debian.org and lurk
around, say hi, see what happens. sometimes it is highly technical.
sometimes it is just social. but both is important to work together.

> lot of attacks. The transition from kde3 to kde4 was a pain.

That transition was quite seamless.
No. we have especially been burned with stuff related to
debian-multimedia.org which sometimes breaks the entire stack of stuff.

> This could be solved with backports, but neither squeeze of lenny had, afaik.

That's a manpower issue, at least for squeeze. For lenny, it was the
complex kde upgrade that was the major prevention.

> ok, but I'm a bit loss. Looking on [1] only a few rc bugs and almost solved 
> affect releasing wheezy, and no one of the qt-kde packagers. Do you know what 

There is not only rc bugs. there is also the general experience and
ensuring stuff is great[tm]

> happens? Are the release team waiting to the fosdem? ;-)

I won't be at fosdem this year.

/Sune


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Re: My impressions on KDE and KDEPIM 4.10

2013-01-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-23, Diane Trout  wrote:
> I looked and I don't think so. I'm hoping that if get the debian packaging  
> repositories up we can get attention from the debian developers to start 
> pulling the updated packages into experimental.

Working with the debian developers *now* is a much simpler way to get
our attention.
Providing simple and easy integratable patches or well done git branches
to pull from is a way.

Providing packages in a 3rd party repository is not a good way to try to
get attention.


Also note that we have in the past been burned a bit by public 3rd party
repositories where something wasn't done as expected, so it messed a lot
with the updates and upgrades, so, if you choose to publish packages 
in a 3rd party repository, please somehow put a 'mark' in the version 
number - e.g. using 0dtrout1 or something like that, so that if we see
upgrade issues, we know which ones is ones we need to spend time on, 
and which ones is due to 3rd party packages.


But we do appreciate help and people doing work, as long as it doesn't
come back in a bad way later, but our focus is currently mostly on
getting debian wheezy out of the door so we can start putting new stuff
in unstable again.

/Sune


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Re: Is it worth splitting oxygencursors package?

2013-01-10 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-10, Diane Trout  wrote:
> When you say "preserves user settings and alternative choices", what do
> you mean by that? is that modifications in /etc/alternatives? or it some
> settings in in KDE? (I need to know what the settings are before I can
> avoid breaking them).

both the alternatives set with update-alternatives (and stored
somewhere) and the settings set in SystemSettings.

> My first hunch to minimize changes might be to split the package into:
>
> oxygencursors
> oxygencursors-extras

My first hunch would be to create two new packages, oxygencursors-white
and oxygencursor-extras, make oxygencursors depend on that and adjust
the relations in kde-workspace-related packages and then figure out how
to get the update-alternatives commands moved over correctly.

/Sune


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Re: Is it worth splitting oxygencursors package?

2013-01-10 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-10, Diane Trout  wrote:
> One modest difference I discovered between debian and kubuntu is the
> name of the oxygencursors package. Kubuntu decided to rename the package
> and split it into two.

if you can find a way to do it that preserves user settings, including
alternative choices and current settings, then I'm fine with doing it.

It is not a complicated nor a impossible thing to do, you just need to
ensure to keep your eyes straight while implementing it. I've so far
been too lazy to do it.

/Sune


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Re: KDE 4.10

2013-01-04 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-04, Diane Trout  wrote:
>> If you btw want to help and work with the kde team in debian, feel free
>> to drop by #debian-qt-kde on irc.debian.org (oftc) and say hi.
>
> Ok. Though I'm UTC-8. Are you likely to be around the channel in 8-9 hours?

On most days I'd say yes. But today is friday and in 8-9 hours it is
18/19:00 so there is a chance that I'll be elsewhere. But there is most
likely people around.

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Re: KDE 4.10

2013-01-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-04, Diane Trout  wrote:
> Even in the case where nepomukcommon is really only being
> used by the plugins, and isn't being linked anywhere else?

yes. users of such things usually changes faster than one expects. e.g.
the plugin api is - if it isn't already - going to be public soon.

If you btw want to help and work with the kde team in debian, feel free
to drop by #debian-qt-kde on irc.debian.org (oftc) and say hi.

/Sune


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Re: KDE 4.10

2013-01-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2013-01-02, Diane Trout  wrote:
> So you'd have something like:
>
libnepomukcore4
>   lib/libnepomukcore.so.4.10.0
libnepomukcommon4
>   lib/libnepomukcommon.so.4.10.0

one library in one package is much preferred

/Sune


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Re: building okular package

2012-10-06 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-10-06, Jacopo Nespolo  wrote:
> On 6 October 2012 14:18, Jacopo Nespolo  wrote:
>> Unfortunately, now i get the following error:
>>
>> dh_install
>> cp: cannot stat `debian/tmp/usr/lib/libokularcore.so.1': No such file
>> or directory
>> dh_install: cp -a debian/tmp/usr/lib/libokularcore.so.1
>> debian/libokularcore1//usr/lib/ returned exit code 1
>> make[1]: *** [pre_install_dh_install] Error 2
>> make[1]: Leaving directory `/***mypath***/OKULAR/okular-4.9.2'
>> make: *** [debian/dhmk_install] Error 2
>> dpkg-buildpackage: error: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit 
>> status 2
>>
>> I suppose that this is due to the fact that multiple packages are
>> built out of okular sources, and probably i need to first build
>> libokularcore, install it and only afterward build the rest of the
>> program.
>
> Actually. nevermind. I found that in that path there is now a file
> libokularcore.so.2, so the problem is i now need to figure out how to
> change that .1 in .2 for dh_install.

dh_install is reading stuff from debian/FOO.install

note that there is a pattern in libokularcore.so.1 going into a package
named libokularcore1

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Re: Digikam and phonon-backend-vlc (was: Re: Digikam 4:2.9.0-2 rebuild for Wheezy/Sid)

2012-09-18 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-09-17, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> Please consider removing the conflict to phonon-backend-vlc now that 
> neither Detlev nor Daniel nor me can reproduce the crash on start.

Yes. the conflicts is completely wrong (and a violation of debian policy
(which justifies a serious bug report))

> As to the references Andreas Tille posted:
>
> - With the Amarok won??t start issue there were indeed deb-multimedia.org 
> packages involved:

anyone installing d-m packages are on their own. warranty voided.

/Sune


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Re: KDE SC 4.9.1

2012-09-08 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-09-08, Daniel Schröter  wrote:
> I hope we will see a beta of 4.10 as soon as available on kde.org.

Thank you for volunteering!

Feel free to find me on irc assuming you're willing to learn, and not
completely clueless in a terminal window.

/Sune


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Re: kde daemon crashes

2012-07-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-07-07, Andreas v. Heydwolff  wrote:
> Hello,
> may I tune in? Since many weeks when I have kde 4.8.3/now .4 running for
> half a day or day, okular, dolphin, and gwenview won't start any more.
> konqueror seems to be unaffected.

What do you mean with 'wont start'? do you get any feedback at all? what
if you try to launch the applicåations from konsole?

anytihng interested printed to .xsession-errors while starting the apps? 
in one  konsole tab/window, do tail -f .xsession-errors and try launch
the application from another tab/vwindow

> Could this be a problem related to the one discussed here?

Most likely not.

> I had hoped to get away with updating the whole system on a daily basis
> and the bug would "automagically" go away, but so far it didn't,

I don't believe in magic :)

/Sune


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Re: kde daemon crashes

2012-07-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-07-07, john Culleton  wrote:
Dear John Culleton

Please find another maillist to troll on. Thanks in advance.

/Sune


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Re: kde daemon crashes

2012-07-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-07-07, Jacopo Nespolo  wrote:
> Can anyone suggest against which packet i should file the bug?

So far, there is not enough information to make a bug report even close
to usable, so let's hold off for that for now.

> #13 0xabac8b18 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/kded_kmixd.so
> #14 0xabac0904 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/kded_kmixd.so
> #15 0xabac04e0 in ?? () from /usr/lib/kde4/kded_kmixd.so

So. what's going on with the kmix thingie in kded?  try install
kdemultimedia-dbg

/Sune


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Re: kde daemon crashes

2012-07-06 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-07-06, Jacopo Nespolo  wrote:
> Dear All,
> Unfortunately, when I try to generate a report, I can't get any
> backtrace whatsoever. Can anyone point out which packages I should
> install to at least try to understand what's going on?

Finding the right bits here is a bit convoluted, since 'other people'
can plug in bits to the kde daemon.

But the first place to start is to install kdelibs5-dbg and get a
backtrace. From there, we can hopefully get a idea on where to go next.

/Sune


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Re: kdepim-runtime 4.8.4 in experimental, call for testing

2012-06-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-06-26, chymian  wrote:
> akonadi-backend-sqlite: does not install in 
> ~/.config/.akonadi/akonadiserverrc. (still mysql there)!

sqlite backend does not do *anything* automatic. You need to do the
manual configuration yourself. Just like postgresql.

if you want to have it actually work out of the box, use the recommended
mysql backend.

/Sune


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Re: Debian KDE maintainers stance on bug reporting

2012-06-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-06-23, Miros??aw Zalewski  wrote:
> So, if I happen to find any bugs which I believe are KDE SC related, should I 
> file them to Debian BTS or should I go to upstream?

Bugs that aren't packaging bugs, we prefer them going to upstream. Else
we end up being proxies for questions from upstream to you and replies

/Sune


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Re: KDE-update overwrote my settings

2012-06-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-06-23, Hans-J. Ullrich  wrote:
> - wallpaper was set to standard
>
> - all widgets were gone and had to reactivate manually (although, they were 
> shown as installed)

I have upgraded a couple of machines and haven't seen those.

> - powerdevil: option profiles disappeared (I already sent a bugreport for 
> this)

Looks like power profiles is configured a lot different now.
http://old.nabble.com/The-future-of-Power-Management---together-with-Activities-td32574372.html


> I suppose, this should not happen, as one of debians rules is, never to 
> change 
> personal settings.

I think the two first are bugs, but only ones that will be solved if
they can be reproduced. The last one seems like a new interesting
feature.

And sometimes upgrades does change bits and pieces in the configuration
parameters they actually accept.

/Sune


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Re: kmail -> akonadi does not run

2012-06-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-06-02, Brad Rogers  wrote:
> The real question then, would appear to be "Why was the removal of both
> akonadi-backend-mysql and mysql-server-core-5.1 required?"

mysql-server was upgraded to 5.5. and people were smarter than apt could
handle in the upgrade.

akonadi-b-mysql depends on mysql-server-core, which is a virtual
package. and apparantly apt couldn't figure out to swap
mysql-server-core-5.5 in instead of mysql-server-core-5.1 and chose to
swap akonadi-b-mysql out for a-b-sqlite instead.

/Sune


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Re: plasma-widget-menubar

2012-05-16 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-05-16, Daniel  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Why appmenu-qt is not a dependency of plasma-widget-menubar? This global 
> menubar doesn't work without.

if it doesn't work, I guess it is a bug in it?  try contact the
mainatiners or report a bug.

/Sune


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Re: building calligra 2.4.1

2012-05-12 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-05-12, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> make[3]: *** Keine Regel vorhanden, um das Target »/usr/lib/libphonon.so«, 
>   benötigt von »lib/libkplatoui.so.9.0.0«, zu erstellen.  Schluss.

This is a known bug that either is just fixed, or just about to be it
(due to moving libraries into multiarch paths some things needs to be
rebuilt to pick up those new parts, most bits have been scheduled for
rebuilding like yesterday or the day before, so it is hopefully justa
upgrade (or maybe a night of sleep and a upgrade) away.

/Sune


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Re: Options for kdepim using kde 4.7/unstable?

2012-03-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-15, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, 15. März 2012 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
>> On 2012-03-15, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
>> > Am Dienstag, 13. März 2012 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
>> >> On 2012-03-13, Modestas Vainius  wrote:
>> >> > kdepim 4.7 is crap, you don't want to use it
>> >> > if you value your data.
>> >> 
>> >> I officially disagree.
>> > 
>> > Hmmm. I never did test it.
>> 
>> on my laptop which runs kde master I have been using it since may.
>
> And your experience is good I read out of your "I officially disagree".
>
> You didn?t have any mail loss issues? That the thing I am the most 
> concerned about - as this ThinkPad T520 with Intel SSD 320 should level 

as far as I_know, I haven't lost any mails :)

There  has of course from time to time been temporary glitches when you
use master branch, but still all in all it has been a quite ok
experience.

> What Akonadi backend do you use? Some time ago I switched from SQLite3 
> that I used before to PostgreSQL as I read some MySQL related InnoDB 
> configuration issue with sudden abruption of write operations due to power 
> loss or kernel crash. For KAddressBook which already uses Akonadi in 
> KDEPIM 4.4.5 this works nicely. I once had to delete some PostgreSQL lock 
> to have the database started again after some crash - I reported this on 
> bugs.kde.org -, but aside from that its fine.

I wouldn't use the sqlite backend, given it is slow and ineffective. 
I used mysql because it was the thing that works out of the box.

/Sune


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Re: Options for kdepim using kde 4.7/unstable?

2012-03-15 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-15, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 13. März 2012 schrieb Sune Vuorela:
>> On 2012-03-13, Modestas Vainius  wrote:
>> > kdepim 4.7 is crap, you don't want to use it
>> > if you value your data.
>> 
>> I officially disagree.
>
> Hmmm. I never did test it.

on my laptop which runs kde master I have been using it since may.

/Sune


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Re: Options for kdepim using kde 4.7/unstable?

2012-03-13 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-03-13, Modestas Vainius  wrote:
> kdepim 4.7 is crap, you don't want to use it
> if you value your data.

I officially disagree.

/Sune


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Re: Phonon and pulseaudio

2012-02-27 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-02-27, Alan Ezust  wrote:
> Are we really supposed to use pulseaudio instead of phonon now? How do you

There is nothing that cannot be solved with a additional level of
indirection (except too many levels of indirections).

The phonon audio architecture is basically like this on linux:

(Ascii art coming up)

application
 v
libphonon
 v
phonon-backend-foo
 v |
foo >  v
 |1   pulseaudio2
 vv   |
 alsalib  v
 v  bluetoothaudio
audiodevice

(for various values of foo).

where either 1) (the line from foo to alsa) or 2) pulseaudio and related
lines is used.

So it is not a 'use pulseaudio instead of phonon' but *also* using
pulseaudio.


The advantage of the extra level of indirection is among other things
that it makes rerouting audio very easy.



My current configuration of my 'background noise':

In living room, next to my office, I have a great big stereo. From teh
loudspeakers comes the music by the fabulous artist 'lykke li'.

'lykke li' is played with 'mplayer' on the computer in my office.

To get this to work, I did the following:

installed pulseaudio and bluedevil and the pulseaudio bluetooth and of
course kmix (and mplayer)

Via bluedevil, I configured my bluetooth device in my computer to speak
with the bluetooth device that I have attached to the 'tv audio in' RCA
ports on my stereo.

Then I started playing my sound files, and opened kmix. In kmix, I right
clicked on the mplayer stream and clicked 'move to '. And then
by magic, music on the good speakers in livingroom, while still having
*all* other audio thru the crappy speakersin the computer.

I can as easy route the music back. or route other audio to the
livingroom. with pulse.


There is also somehow network transparncy the same way as there is
bluetooth transparancy, but I haven't yet had the need to figure out
how.

/Sune

ps.: alan - I enjoyed your Qt book.


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Re: Phonon and pulseaudio

2012-02-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-02-23, Robert van den Berg  wrote:
>
> On Thursday 23 February 2012 16:31:43 Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> phonon and (vlc or gstreamer)
>> pulseaudio is optional, I use it and it works great. Also for my
>> bluetooth headset.
>> 
> Thanks for the answer. Does alsa still play a role?

Yeah. and the kernel also plays a role.

/Sune


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Re: Phonon and pulseaudio

2012-02-23 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2012-02-23, Robert van den Berg  wrote:
> --f46d0442807ef6407f04b9a20030
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Scott Ferguson <
> prettyfly.producti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/02/12 14:33, Seb wrote:
>>
>> Try paman (Pulse Audio Manager) - set the levels for your devices with
>> it, then just use KMix to control the master levels (alsamixer only
>> controls alsa).
>>
>>
> I'm a bit lost on the current status of the different parts that make up
> audio systems in KDE in Debian Sid. I'm wondering what is the recommended
> setup? Phonon, alsa, and/or pulse audio? And a adequate backend for Phonon:
> e.g. VLC or gstreamer?

phonon and (vlc or gstreamer)
pulseaudio is optional, I use it and it works great. Also for my
bluetooth headset.
my friend modestas has so far lost his fights with pulseaudio. Or maybe
pulseaudio lost.

/Sune


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Re: kate as set apart editor?

2011-12-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-12-02, Sthu Deus  wrote:
> It crashes randomly, not constantly, but I will try running kate after
> first started ksycoca4. But how should I start it - since there is no
> such binary executable?

When kate crashes, do you have a kded4 process running? (and kdeinit4
and knotify4)

/Sune


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Re: kate as set apart editor?

2011-12-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-12-02, Martin Steigerwald  wrote:
> Seems that there is no KDE system configuration cache available. Kate 
> shouldn??t crash then IMHO, but???



Well.. kate can't do anything useful without a sycoca. kate is just a
wrapper around katepart, and kate needs teh sycoca to find katepart.

/Sune


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Re: kontact settings crash in KDE SC 4.7.2

2011-11-28 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-11-27, Diederik de Haas  wrote:
> Is that the use case for it and/or are there others? 

That's the use case for it.

> What's the other 'barcode' for?

The other barcode is 'datamatrix' which is a competing standard to
QRCode. Depending on where I look around in copenhagen, it is a bit
swinging back and forth which of them is most popular.


> And is it normal that the size of the picture varies with the amount of 
> information? Can that be 
> changed?

Yes. it is normal that the size varies with the amount of informations

/Sune


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Re: kontact settings crash in KDE SC 4.7.2

2011-11-27 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-11-27, Benjamin Eikel  wrote:
>> Opening settings in KMail or in KAddressbook started stand alone it works.
>> 
>> I wonder how to get rid of the new barcode display for addresses. They do
>> not match my aesthetic sense and I do not use them.
>
> Dito, I also do not like them.

I like them. I added them :p

(There has been added a option the next feature release of KDE's
software stack to turn them off)

/Sune


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Re: [s...@debian.org: RFP: k4dirstat -- graphical disk usage display with cleanup facilities]

2011-09-14 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-09-14, Jerome Robert  wrote:
>
>
> Bugzilla from xav...@alternatif.org wrote:
>> 
>> Steve M. Robbins wrote:
>>> Anyone interested in (re-)packaging kdirstat?
>> 
>> Just in case:
>> There is already a package built for Ubuntu Natty. The builder reported
>> that 
>> it work also on Sid and Squeeze.
>> https://launchpad.net/~jeromerobert/+archive/misc
>> 
>> xavier
>> 
>
> Thanks for mentioning it. I also uploaded a package to mentors [1] and sent
> a RFS [2].

So. We have a interested person in doing the work (Jerome) and a Debian
Developer interested in k4dirstat. (Steve M. Robbins). Maybe we have a
good match there?

/Sune

>
> Jerome
>
> [1] http://mentors.debian.net/package/k4dirstat
> [2]
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-kde-talk/2011-June/001621.html
>
> PS: It works on Sid and Wheezy, not on Squeeze ;-)
> -- 
> View this message in context: 
> http://old.nabble.com/-smr%40debian.org%3A-RFP%3A-k4dirstatgraphical-disk-usage-display-with-cleanup-facilities--tp32268855p32467360.html
> Sent from the Debian KDE mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>


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Re: KDE 4.6 on wheezy has no desktop effects

2011-06-19 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-06-18, Manuel E. Gutierrez  wrote:
> ln -s /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/dri/i915_dri.so

This is bad advice. please don't do this.

It is a issue that will be fixed.

/Sune


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Re: Nepomuk task bar icon

2011-04-26 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-04-26, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> On Sunday 24 April 2011, Dietz Pröpper wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> in former times (before 4.6) I had a nepomuk task bar icon
>> that showed it's activity and allowed to suspend indexing etc.
>> 
>> Is that gone in 4.6?
>
> Apparently it is gone. I've been looking for it, too, but didn't find 
> it.

it should be back again for 4.7. There is iirc a separate release of
that utility on kde-apps.org, I think lisandro have been looking into
it.

/Sune


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Re: nepomukstrigiservice segfault (was: KDE Software Compilation 4.6.1 has been uploaded to qt-kde.debian.net)

2011-04-03 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-04-03, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> nepomukstrigiservice has been happily indexing for 25 minutes now, 21 
> more than before.

What kind of changes did you do to the code?

> I haven't yet reported this bug at strigi.sf.net, as sourceforge appears 
> to be down right now. It would be nice to have a patch in the debian 
> package soon, even before a new upstream is released.

I just talked with upstream. He would really like to see the file that
made you hit this thing.

/Sune


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Re: nepomukstrigiservice segfault (was: KDE Software Compilation 4.6.1 has been uploaded to qt-kde.debian.net)

2011-04-02 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2011-04-02, Michael Schuerig  wrote:
> On Saturday 02 April 2011, Sune Vuorela wrote:
>> On 2011-04-02, Modestas Vainius  wrote:
>> > On Saturday 02 April 2011 23:01:33 Michael Schuerig wrote:
>
>> >> Well, I spoke too early. The indexer crashes all the time. I'm
>> >> trying my luck on the commandline now with
>> >>
>> >>=20
>> >>
>> >> $ while true; do nepomukservicestub --nocrashhandler
>> >> nepomukstrigiservice; done
>> > 
>> > It's probably strigi which is broken here. It is not part of KDE
>> > SC.
>> 
>> Or a strigi plugin provided by some-package by KDE that is crashing
>> on parsing a file.
>> 
>> If you can find the involved file, and which plugin is crashing, it
>> could help track it down.
>
> It's definitely inside one of KMail's maildirs. The backtrace I'm 
> getting in gdb is below. It looks like I'm lacking the proper debug 
> symbols, but I don't know which package I'd need to install.

strigi-dbg

/Sune


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