Re: [Pkg-xmpp-devel] Qt/KDE XMPP/Jabber client with OMEMO
Hi, Linus Jahn - 19.08.19, 19:31:33 CEST: > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:18:13 +0300 > > Boris Pek wrote: > > >> Then there is kaidan.im which is not packaged yet. > > > > I saw mentions of this project few times (in qxmpp related > > discussions) but have not looked on program yet. > > > > As I see there is related team on Salsa: > > https://salsa.debian.org/kaidan-team > > > > But I have no idea why these packages are not in Debian repos yet > > and > > why its maintainers have decided to maintain these packages outside > > of Debian XMPP Maintainers team. > > > > Probably Jonah may comment this. (CC-ing) > > We don't "have decided" to maintain it outside of debian, we just > didn't have an idea how to get it into debian. Kaidan is still in > development: the basic functionality is not implemented completely > yet. Also, we only recently became a KDE project, so we didn't have > the contact to the debian team. > > However recently there were some mails about packaging Kaidan in > debian on the Qt/KDE-list, so I hope it can get into debian soon. Ah, I did not notice these. Thanks for the pointer. Looking forward to it. > OMEMO is on our roadmap and also PEP (a dependency of OMEMO) has been > implemented for QXmpp (still needs to be upstreamed). But don't expect > OMEMO earlier than in one year. I understand. I am willing to test kaidan.im Debian package. So in case you like anyone to test it, tell me. I can also build it myself from source. However for productive use OMEMO is a must for me. So I will wait until OMEMO support being completed before considering kaidan.im for productive use. All the best, -- Martin
Re: [Pkg-xmpp-devel] Qt/KDE XMPP/Jabber client with OMEMO
On 2019-08-19 22:23, Boris Pek wrote: > And now you have a choice between Debian XMPP team and Debian Qt+KDE team: > https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team In fact, I suggested to Jonah and Linus, that Kaidan may be better off in the latter team. Mainly, because Qt/KDE perform complex transitions every some years, so packaging work will need more knowledge around those frameworks than about XMPP. Also, the KDE team is larger than the XMPP team, which might help the Kaidan developers. When the package has landed in Debian, they can easily change teams, if they like.
Re: [Pkg-xmpp-devel] Qt/KDE XMPP/Jabber client with OMEMO
>> >> Then there is kaidan.im which is not packaged yet. >> >> I saw mentions of this project few times (in qxmpp related >> discussions) but have not looked on program yet. >> >> As I see there is related team on Salsa: >> https://salsa.debian.org/kaidan-team >> >> But I have no idea why these packages are not in Debian repos yet and >> why its maintainers have decided to maintain these packages outside >> of Debian XMPP Maintainers team. >> >> Probably Jonah may comment this. (CC-ing) > > We don't "have decided" to maintain it outside of debian, we just > didn't have an idea how to get it into debian. I mean outside of XMPP team in Debian, but not outside of Debian. Now git repos for your packages are in independent Salsa group: https://salsa.debian.org/kaidan-team and I have found them only because I was searching for kaidan mentions in Debian infrastructure. As for adding of kaidan into Debian repos, then joining to specialized Debian team usually simplify finding Debian Developers who are interested in checking and uploading of your packages into Debian. See this as an advertisement of our team: https://salsa.debian.org/xmpp-team =) > Kaidan is still in > development: the basic functionality is not implemented completely yet. And this is absolutely normal. Dino.im is not released yet and lucks some features too, but it is already available in Debian and may work fine for some not exacting users. > Also, we only recently became a KDE project, so we didn't have the > contact to the debian team. These are great news! Congratulations! And now you have a choice between Debian XMPP team and Debian Qt+KDE team: https://salsa.debian.org/qt-kde-team > However recently there were some mails about packaging Kaidan in debian > on the Qt/KDE-list, so I hope it can get into debian soon. Excellent! > OMEMO is on our roadmap and also PEP (a dependency of OMEMO) has been > implemented for QXmpp (still needs to be upstreamed). But don't expect > OMEMO earlier than in one year. And this is fine. We are not in a hurry to anywhere. Best wishes, Boris
Re: [Pkg-xmpp-devel] Qt/KDE XMPP/Jabber client with OMEMO
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:18:13 +0300 Boris Pek wrote: > >> Then there is kaidan.im which is not packaged yet. > > I saw mentions of this project few times (in qxmpp related > discussions) but have not looked on program yet. > > As I see there is related team on Salsa: > https://salsa.debian.org/kaidan-team > > But I have no idea why these packages are not in Debian repos yet and > why its maintainers have decided to maintain these packages outside > of Debian XMPP Maintainers team. > > Probably Jonah may comment this. (CC-ing) We don't "have decided" to maintain it outside of debian, we just didn't have an idea how to get it into debian. Kaidan is still in development: the basic functionality is not implemented completely yet. Also, we only recently became a KDE project, so we didn't have the contact to the debian team. However recently there were some mails about packaging Kaidan in debian on the Qt/KDE-list, so I hope it can get into debian soon. OMEMO is on our roadmap and also PEP (a dependency of OMEMO) has been implemented for QXmpp (still needs to be upstreamed). But don't expect OMEMO earlier than in one year.