re: kde 3 (formerly re: 178 days and counting)
Hi everyone, Good news. With a *HUGE* effort from Thomas Schoepf I have finally managed to get kde 3.0.3 onto my PC. Thank you very much Thomas for your time, effort, patience and advice. Very much appreciated. I don't know why I had so much troubles getting it all to work, I rebuilt my debian machine after my initial posts to totally ensure that kde was not broken. It all seems to have worked now. I'd also like to thank Paul Cupis and Scott (aka scooter) for their time, help and advice. I have a few questions about kde but i've posted them privately to Thomas in light of further enlightenment. Now I can sit back (well nearly) and play with kde and see what it's like. I like the look, I have no idea how i'll go with the way things are set up etc etc. I do apologise for my outbursts the other day...i'm a rather vocal person at the best of times. I'd spent an awful lot of time trying to get kde working on my own (and also having a mate on irc offer me help here and there, thanks Diwas) without any success. It just upset me very badly - I was that worked up about it all I got like 3 hours sleep that nite, having a constant reoccuring nightmare about kde, with a nice migraine all the next day. Seriously. It didn't help that many misread my original posts when I'd said that i'd already downloaded debs for kde 3 from a ftp site 3 weeks ago (prior to them being hosted on debian' site). I was trying to get kde 3 to work from those debs already downloaded, to avoid having to download it all again. Anyways it all appears *fingers crossed* to be working. I await Thomas' advice on some minor questions about kde that I had in mind. Dave
Re: 178 days and counting
Ben Burton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Your post was both offensive and discriminatory (yes I know some gay people, and I find anti gay comments vulgar and unneccessary). Hmm? How was Russell's post offensive, discriminatory or anti-gay? He was mistaken about your sexual orientation but that's about all I can see. Hell, that happens to me every day. On the other hand, as a gay person myself I must say I'm offended that you took offense to being mistaken for gay. :) That's an interesting interpretation Ben. :) Russel's remark was clearly meant as a personal insult, and David's response was not a reaction to being mistaken for being gay but for the personal insult intended in that remark. I'm not here to defend the other things David said, but I'm surprised you cannot see the intent of the original gay remark. It was not your ordinary redneck gay bashing, it was less obvious, more subtle, and thus more insidious.
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 29 September 2002 12:40 pm, Karolina Lindqvist wrote: söndagen den 29 september 2002 11.59 skrev David Pashley: The current plan intents to append a c to the package name for 3.2 compiled packages. This can then go when the soname is upped. So if we put KDE in now, we are stuck with kdelibs4c until kde4 is released. How will you do with incompatible libraries with the same name, like /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4.1.0? Will you give the gcc3 compiled version the same name and place as now, or will you change the name or path for the gcc3 version? -- Karolina I don't know all of the plans. This is the closest we have to a plan atm. http://people.debian.org/~willy/c++transition.html - -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mA4vYsCKa6wDNXYRAmdPAJ0dSOYLHW8CuKd3O/zlYzOwuqTShwCcDoHo kiC98F3Ks2f0rwirZutSEQ4= =cOnQ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: 178 days and counting
måndagen den 30 september 2002 10.41 skrev David Pashley: http://people.debian.org/~willy/c++transition.html When the non-beta version of KDE3 is ready with GCC3, you just put a conflict with the beta version and everything is replaced with the new version. It does not look like a problem. Or? -- Karolina
pinning kde3 from kde.org (was: Re: 178 days and counting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 30 September 2002 03:28, Derek Gladding wrote: /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.0.3/Debian/ / /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * Pin: release a = testing Pin-Priority: 777 Package: * Pin: release a = unstable Pin-Priority: 333 Hope this gets you up and running. It should be noted that this configuration will upgrade your machine to testing and then try and install kde3.0.3 from kde.org, installing any packages from unstable as required (there shouldn't be any, but...) I might also suggest adding the followinfg stanza to /etc/apt/preferences to give kde3 on kde.org a higher priority than kde2 on debian.org: Package: * Pin: origin your-kde.org-mirror-here Pin-Priority: 925 (for example, my Pin is origin download.uk.kde.org) Paul Cupis - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mErCIzuKV+SHX/kRAi58AJ9dz0EL/arAMTKh0OUEe1Wym/W0NQCfWp7d SmlEKOcqLsi5gp+tLAZe9/Y= =fje/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
kdelibs3 or kdelibs4? (was: Re: 178 days and counting)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 30 September 2002 02:32, David Pastern wrote: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: kab kde kdebase kdebase-audiolibs kdebase-doc kdebase-libs kdelibs3 kdelibs3-bin kdepim-libs kpm libarts libkdenetwork1 libkmid libkonq3 The following NEW packages will be installed: kaddressbook kalarmd kappfinder karbon kcontrol kdcop kdebase-bin kdebugdialog kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdeprint kdesktop khelpcenter khotkeys kicker kioslave klipper kmenuedit konqueror-nsplugins kpager kpersonalizer ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ktip kwin kxkb libart-2.0-2 libarts1 libarts1-qt libasound2 libcupsys2 libkcal2 libkdenetwork2 libkgantt0 libkonq4 libqt3 libqt3-mt libsensors1 python2.2 49 packages upgraded, 41 newly installed, 14 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 45.6MB/51.5MB of archives. After unpacking 40.6MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] I answered yes to this, and it asked me to provide cdrom disk 1, and at this point I got nervous. Why? Note that where it says the following packages will be REMOVED it says kdelibs3. Is that not for kde 3? Or is that also present for kde 2.2. Looking at the package lists on the Debian site, it does have a kdelibs3 for stable, so i'm wondering if all is ok, and I can provide the said cdrom and let it read it and do its work. After my previous troubles i'm just very nervous and hesitant and untrusting of it all. At this point, I might refer to to the kde faq at http://www.davidpashley.com/debian-kde/faq.html kdelibs3 is part of kde2, kde3 has a package called kdelibs4 (you can see this being installed in the above segment). What you imght also notice is that you now had 49 pacakged being _upgraded_ as well as those being removed/installed. all should have gone well if you had said yes. I don't know what the issue with the size mismatch on the downloaded debs was, though. Paul Cupis - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mFBQIzuKV+SHX/kRAgsBAJ9IRMlxTqxURBgnTwDdzJDKza+eKQCeI2Fk hWX8Rmb3r/QxGio+TqohQeM= =asJA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: 178 days and counting
mmm well...i shouldn't say this, but i'm going to say this...after an endless nightmare of trying to get woody stable to upgrade kde 2.2 to kde 3 I give up. I've never used kde before (being a gnome man up until now) - I Sorry. wanted to try kde and give it a fair go, but sorry. After all the installation attempts and hassles, forget it. I don't want nothing to do with kde. As far as i'm concerned it's a pile of shit, a big pile of shit. I have it installed flawlessly using the apt sources. You also might need to install unstable in the sources.list until it pulls in all the right packages. Also, I heard the Brandon's excellent X 4.2 packages are good to have before starting to upgrade to kde3. Finally, you need to purge kde2.2 before pulling in kde3.0. I'm thinking of making a shell script to do all this for people: cat $x-line /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get update;apt-get install x-window-system cat $x-line /etc/apt/sources.list apt-get -y remove --purge `dpkg -l | grep kde' and so on. :) I don't give a rats ass what anyone else thinks of kde, nor what others think of my opinion, it can be shoved in a nice brown orifice for all I care. As yes - i've tried very very very very hard to get this stupid piece of shit to run - i've spent 8 hours on this. I've update from stable to testing. Still no go. I don't care anymore. Question - I want to totally remove EVERY piece of kde 2.2 from my system. Totally. Short of a reinstall (and not choosing kde) how would I do this? I'll stick with gnome thanks (i'm sure i'm going to get flamed for this but I don't care one iota). apt-get -y remove --purge `dpkg -l | grep kde` Please take a long walk/drive. Read a book. Take up a new hobby such as basket weaving. Your attitude is not good for yourself nor others. I mean this is a good way, be nicer to yourself. You seem like you've beat your head against the wall, and I'm sorry about that. I've been there. Have a nice life.
Re: 178 days and counting
The problem is that developers (I mean Debian Developers mostly) actually use unstable for their work. Having unstable packages to work with is ok for most packages, but when core things like XFree, gnome, kde ... are *really* unstable in unstable, people will get annoyed. Then they have to go look up what unstable really means. I think that they should be running testing. Yes, unstable is unstable, and developers expect brokenness here and there. But it's a question of magnitude. And: a big update requires a transistion plan to avoid stupid mistakes - and working out a transition plan that works is not easy and takes time, too. I thought that was the point of unstable. Really, I don't mind having alt apt lines. I like collecting them! I don't mind pulling in a few unstable packages on a stable system. However, I don't think that this has much to do w/ the fact that I really expect unstable to break everything. It did before for me. I didn't bitch. I stopped running unstable at work. :) Now I have a beater box at home that I upgrade daily. If things work well here, then I use those packages on my stable box. Not hard. Good day, Fred Ollinger
Re: 178 days and counting
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:03, Fred K Ollinger wrote: The problem is that developers (I mean Debian Developers mostly) actually use unstable for their work. Having unstable packages to work with is ok for most packages, but when core things like XFree, gnome, kde ... are *really* unstable in unstable, people will get annoyed. Then they have to go look up what unstable really means. I think that they should be running testing. Also it should be noted that Debian/unstable is actually remarkably stable for the working tree of a large software development project. In terms of the size and complexity of the project, the number of developers, the lack of direct communication between developers (IE we're never in the same office), and the number of inter-dependencies it's a truely amazing effort that our development code is of such a high quality. When was the last time that a new version of fsck ate your file-system? When was the last time that glibc crashed and stuffed everything up totally? I recall it being moderately broken on one occasion and that was fixed pretty quickly. Yes, unstable is unstable, and developers expect brokenness here and there. But it's a question of magnitude. And: a big update requires a transistion plan to avoid stupid mistakes - and working out a transition plan that works is not easy and takes time, too. I thought that was the point of unstable. Really, I don't mind having alt apt lines. I like collecting them! I don't mind pulling in a few unstable packages on a stable system. Actually I'd prefer to see all of this done in the unstable tree without any extra apt lines. I think that the only reason for needing new apt lines is if you have a development fork (for example the repositories of SE Linux packages that Brian and I run) or if you have legal issues (EG MP3 encoding). I think that unstable should have more unstable code!!! -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: 178 days and counting
Also it should be noted that Debian/unstable is actually remarkably stable for the working tree of a large software development project. In terms of the True. I do consider this a good thing. Most people will probably be OK if they don't wear seatbelts, but that doesn't make driving w/o one any safer. size and complexity of the project, the number of developers, the lack of direct communication between developers (IE we're never in the same office), and the number of inter-dependencies it's a truely amazing effort that our development code is of such a high quality. Here, here. Debian rules! When was the last time that a new version of fsck ate your file-system? I don't run unstable anymore on my servers. I ran testing when woody was stabilizing. I ran unstable at work until one day I turned it on it and it wouldn't boot. I didn't know what to do so I reinstalled. I knew almost nothing about linux at the time. I lost everything. I spent lots of time setting things up again (I didn't know much). I think that this was a lib problem that smart people fixed by downgrading in a rescue environment. I wasn't angry as it was labled UNSTABLE. Go figure. If testing gave me troubles, I also am not any more upset than I would if I lay my hand on a stove labeled HOT STOVE. When was the last time that glibc crashed and stuffed everything up totally? I think that this was the problem. This was a few years ago. I recall it being moderately broken on one occasion and that was fixed pretty quickly. Again, great debian. I use unstable in part so I can help w/ bug testing. That's what unstable is for. Bug testing of the new distro. Actually I'd prefer to see all of this done in the unstable tree without any extra apt lines. I think that the only reason for needing new apt lines is I agree. This would probably be best. if you have a development fork (for example the repositories of SE Linux packages that Brian and I run) or if you have legal issues (EG MP3 encoding). I think that unstable should have more unstable code!!! Oh, so after that we agree. Well, you can't find a flame war everywhere now can we? :) Good day, Fred Ollinger
Re: 178 days and counting
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:24, Fred K Ollinger wrote: I think that this was a lib problem that smart people fixed by downgrading in a rescue environment. I strongly recommend installing busybox-static. init=/bin/busybox will let you solve many problems. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 30 September 2002 8:00 pm, Fred K Ollinger wrote: [snip] I would like to point out we use a mailing list for a reason. Please stop CCing everyone who so much as touchs a thread. - -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mMY5YsCKa6wDNXYRAk3WAJ0Yw2RU5jbuhDxajDYMSBKJFc4OzwCdFXP9 OOI+YZNHvl/hTyRcUociQi0= =UsQc -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: 178 days and counting
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:46, David Pashley wrote: On Monday 30 September 2002 8:00 pm, Fred K Ollinger wrote: [snip] I would like to point out we use a mailing list for a reason. Please stop CCing everyone who so much as touchs a thread. Do you think that you are setting an example of how to behave on mailing lists? -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: 178 days and counting
On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:34, David Pastern wrote: eh? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm running on a Class C internal network where I live, with a direct backend into the ms exchange server (yes the gentleman where I live runs his own ISP, Microsoft based without a single touch of linux as he thinks it's a pile of shit and a fad - oh and he does have 20 years or so of experience in the IT industry). Therefore I do not Many people have 10 or more years IT experience where it's just the same year repeated many times, I fear that your husband(*) might be one of them. have a pop3 or imap account to set up mutt, evolution etc. At the moment Apparently Exchange does support POP and IMAP, but the administrator has to install it (it's not usually part of the default install). Unfortunately most Exchange admins aren't capable of anything other than a default install... (*) I use the term husband in a colloquial form, gay marriages aren't legal in Australia. You and the gentleman you live with would have to visit Europe to actually get married. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 27 September 2002 7:01 pm, Hendrik Sattler wrote: Am Freitag, 27. September 2002 19:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: woody/unstable (libc3.x maybe? I don't remember.) that were dependencies. Because you wrote that often enought now: woody is not unstable or testing but the current stable, maybe you should take a look at http://www.debian.org to get this right: woody == current stable sarge == current testing sid == always unstable It is annoying and hard to track what you mean when you mix this up completely. BTW: I don't understand why most unstable packages are not in unstable anymore. KDE3.x ist left out because of gcc3.2, although it does not make much sense: if it breaks on transistion to gcc3.2- well, it's unstable. Same with XFree4.2. What's the difference to make the gcc change with or without KDE3 in unstable? It compiles with gcc2.95 and troubles with gcc3.2 are expected anyway. Sorry, but it does not make much sense to me at all. This is no matter to me though because I track testing and not unstable. But current behaviour makes unstable rather pointless. The current plan intents to append a c to the package name for 3.2 compiled packages. This can then go when the soname is upped. So if we put KDE in now, we are stuck with kdelibs4c until kde4 is released. Plus it means that we can compile KDE3 outside of the transition so we reduce the workload on the other Debian Developers - -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9ls8aYsCKa6wDNXYRAt+VAJ9blzY6DQkn2G7BAvcCnDONS7S3QQCgoh99 qB1740oMIMKtbMXMYEK2U0w= =qhgv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
KDE troll (was: Re: 178 days and counting)
Many people have 10 or more years IT experience where it's just the same year repeated many times, I fear that your husband(*) might be one of them. Please don't insult any sexual minorities by comparing them to mr. Troll. There are quite a few non-hetero Linux and KDE hackers, FYI. - Jarno
Re: 178 days and counting
söndagen den 29 september 2002 11.59 skrev David Pashley: The current plan intents to append a c to the package name for 3.2 compiled packages. This can then go when the soname is upped. So if we put KDE in now, we are stuck with kdelibs4c until kde4 is released. How will you do with incompatible libraries with the same name, like /usr/lib/libkdecore.so.4.1.0? Will you give the gcc3 compiled version the same name and place as now, or will you change the name or path for the gcc3 version? -- Karolina
RE: 178 days and counting
ooo nasty - go fuck yourself -Original Message- From: Russell Coker To: David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 29/09/2002 19:18 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:34, David Pastern wrote: eh? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm running on a Class C internal network where I live, with a direct backend into the ms exchange server (yes the gentleman where I live runs his own ISP, Microsoft based without a single touch of linux as he thinks it's a pile of shit and a fad - oh and he does have 20 years or so of experience in the IT industry). Therefore I do not Many people have 10 or more years IT experience where it's just the same year repeated many times, I fear that your husband(*) might be one of them. have a pop3 or imap account to set up mutt, evolution etc. At the moment Apparently Exchange does support POP and IMAP, but the administrator has to install it (it's not usually part of the default install). Unfortunately most Exchange admins aren't capable of anything other than a default install... (*) I use the term husband in a colloquial form, gay marriages aren't legal in Australia. You and the gentleman you live with would have to visit Europe to actually get married. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 178 days and counting
Russell : further - this just proves that *some* debian users simply cannot read and comprehend. Read my *ucking posts idiot - you'll see I reference the guy and his wife and daughter. duh! Personally, i'm straight, but that shouldn't be any of your business. Your post was both offensive and discriminatory (yes I know some gay people, and I find anti gay comments vulgar and unneccessary). For those that will criticise me (note no z in criticise) for some of my previous posts as being offensive, fair enough - I wasn't discriminatory though. I lost my cool and vented my anger and frustration on you, and I shouldn't have. My apologies to those that I did offend (yes i've cooled down now). Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Russell Coker; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 9:21 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting ooo nasty - go fuck yourself -Original Message- From: Russell Coker To: David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 29/09/2002 19:18 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 01:34, David Pastern wrote: eh? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm running on a Class C internal network where I live, with a direct backend into the ms exchange server (yes the gentleman where I live runs his own ISP, Microsoft based without a single touch of linux as he thinks it's a pile of shit and a fad - oh and he does have 20 years or so of experience in the IT industry). Therefore I do not Many people have 10 or more years IT experience where it's just the same year repeated many times, I fear that your husband(*) might be one of them. have a pop3 or imap account to set up mutt, evolution etc. At the moment Apparently Exchange does support POP and IMAP, but the administrator has to install it (it's not usually part of the default install). Unfortunately most Exchange admins aren't capable of anything other than a default install... (*) I use the term husband in a colloquial form, gay marriages aren't legal in Australia. You and the gentleman you live with would have to visit Europe to actually get married. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 178 days and counting
mm well as I am stubborn [I hate losing, especially to a goddamn stupid machine] - i've reinstalled debian (to ensure that anything that *may* have been inadvertently broken was fixed) and i'm going to give kde another try. I've edited my sources.list file to show: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-7 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-6 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-5 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-4 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-3 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ stable main deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main I have no idea why the cd stuff is showing as unstable - I *did* download stable. I am 100% positive on this. Is this how it should be?? Anyways...after updating sources.list I run: apt-get update And it errors out, with this following error message: maxus:/etc/apt# apt-get update E: Malformed line 15 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (Absolute dist) What have I done wrong? It looks fine to my eye (and reading a previous post from (I think it was) Thomas indicates that it just needs to be main. Dave PS I also tried: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ main and that didn't work either. -Original Message- From: Thomas Schoepf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 27/09/2002 5:38 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 01:36:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ It appears to be what I want. That looks like what I did, though, and there were still libraries that were required and only available from woody/unstable Use the deb source written above. The packages there will work with woody (=stable) without requiring any libs from testing or unstable. Bye Thomas -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 178 days and counting
Ignore post - I just tried removing the stable main and it's working now. Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Thomas Schoepf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 11:14 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting mm well as I am stubborn [I hate losing, especially to a goddamn stupid machine] - i've reinstalled debian (to ensure that anything that *may* have been inadvertently broken was fixed) and i'm going to give kde another try. I've edited my sources.list file to show: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-7 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-6 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-5 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-4 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-3 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ stable main deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ stable main deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main I have no idea why the cd stuff is showing as unstable - I *did* download stable. I am 100% positive on this. Is this how it should be?? Anyways...after updating sources.list I run: apt-get update And it errors out, with this following error message: maxus:/etc/apt# apt-get update E: Malformed line 15 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (Absolute dist) What have I done wrong? It looks fine to my eye (and reading a previous post from (I think it was) Thomas indicates that it just needs to be main. Dave PS I also tried: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ main and that didn't work either. -Original Message- From: Thomas Schoepf To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 27/09/2002 5:38 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 01:36:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ It appears to be what I want. That looks like what I did, though, and there were still libraries that were required and only available from woody/unstable Use the deb source written above. The packages there will work with woody (=stable) without requiring any libs from testing or unstable. Bye Thomas -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well that was shortlived...this is the result of apt-get update: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get update Hit http://people.debian.org ./ Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages Hit http://people.debian.org ./ Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Sources Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Packages Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Release Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Sources Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Release Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back ark karm kate kcalc kcharselect kchart kcoloredit kcron kdebase kdepasswd kdf kdict kdm kedit kfind kformula kfract kghostview khexedit kiconedit kit kivio kjots kmail knewsticker knode knotes koffice koffice-libs konqueror konsole kontour korganizer korn koshell kpackage kpaint kpresenter kruler kscreensaver ksirc ksnapshot kspread ksysv ktimer kugar kuser kview kword secpolicy 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded. SoI ran apt-get upgrade with the following messages: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back ark karm kate kcalc kcharselect kchart kcoloredit kcron kdebase kdepasswd kdf kdict kdm kedit kfind kformula kfract kghostview khexedit kiconedit kit kivio kjots kmail knewsticker knode knotes koffice koffice-libs konqueror konsole kontour korganizer korn koshell kpackage kpaint kpresenter kruler kscreensaver ksirc ksnapshot kspread ksysv ktimer kugar kuser kview kword secpolicy 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded. So I then tried apt-get dist-upgrade, which reading the man page for apt-get states: dist-upgrade dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the func#65533; tion of upgrade, also intelligently handles chang#65533; ing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a smart conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of locations from which to retrieve desired package files. Now this is what is said by my Debian system when I run the apt-get dist-upgrade command: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: kab kde kdebase kdebase-audiolibs kdebase-doc kdebase-libs kdelibs3 kdelibs3-bin kdepim-libs kpm libarts libkdenetwork1 libkmid libkonq3 The following NEW packages will be installed: kaddressbook kalarmd kappfinder karbon kcontrol kdcop kdebase-bin kdebugdialog kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdeprint kdesktop khelpcenter khotkeys kicker kioslave klipper kmenuedit konqueror-nsplugins kpager kpersonalizer ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ktip kwin kxkb libart-2.0-2 libarts1 libarts1-qt libasound2 libcupsys2 libkcal2 libkdenetwork2 libkgantt0 libkonq4 libqt3 libqt3-mt libsensors1 python2.2 49 packages upgraded, 41 newly installed, 14 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 45.6MB/51.5MB of archives. After unpacking 40.6MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] I answered yes to this, and it asked me to provide cdrom disk 1, and at this point I got nervous. Why? Note that where it says the following packages will be REMOVED it says kdelibs3. Is that not for kde 3? Or is that also present for kde 2.2. Looking at the package lists on the Debian site, it does have a kdelibs3 for stable, so i'm wondering if all is ok, and I can provide the said cdrom and let it read it and do its work. After my previous troubles i'm just very nervous and hesitant and untrusting of it all. Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Thomas Schoepf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 11:17 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting Ignore post - I just tried removing the stable main and it's working now. Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Thomas Schoepf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 11:14 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting mm well as I am stubborn [I hate losing, especially to a goddamn stupid machine] - i've reinstalled debian (to ensure that anything that *may* have been
Re: 178 days and counting
David, Install Red Hat, Mandrake or SuSE - it's a lot less complicated and they properly support KDE 3. On Monday 30 September 2002 02:32, David Pastern wrote: Well that was shortlived...this is the result of apt-get update: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get update Hit http://people.debian.org ./ Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Packages Hit http://people.debian.org ./ Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release Hit http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Release Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Sources Hit http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US/main Release Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Packages Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Release Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Sources Hit http://ftp.au.debian.org stable/main Release Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back ark karm kate kcalc kcharselect kchart kcoloredit kcron kdebase kdepasswd kdf kdict kdm kedit kfind kformula kfract kghostview khexedit kiconedit kit kivio kjots kmail knewsticker knode knotes koffice koffice-libs konqueror konsole kontour korganizer korn koshell kpackage kpaint kpresenter kruler kscreensaver ksirc ksnapshot kspread ksysv ktimer kugar kuser kview kword secpolicy 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded. SoI ran apt-get upgrade with the following messages: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done The following packages have been kept back ark karm kate kcalc kcharselect kchart kcoloredit kcron kdebase kdepasswd kdf kdict kdm kedit kfind kformula kfract kghostview khexedit kiconedit kit kivio kjots kmail knewsticker knode knotes koffice koffice-libs konqueror konsole kontour korganizer korn koshell kpackage kpaint kpresenter kruler kscreensaver ksirc ksnapshot kspread ksysv ktimer kugar kuser kview kword secpolicy 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded. So I then tried apt-get dist-upgrade, which reading the man page for apt-get states: dist-upgrade dist-upgrade, in addition to performing the func#65533; tion of upgrade, also intelligently handles chang#65533; ing dependencies with new versions of packages; apt-get has a smart conflict resolution system, and it will attempt to upgrade the most important packages at the expense of less important ones if necessary. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains a list of locations from which to retrieve desired package files. Now this is what is said by my Debian system when I run the apt-get dist-upgrade command: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get dist-upgrade Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Calculating Upgrade... Done The following packages will be REMOVED: kab kde kdebase kdebase-audiolibs kdebase-doc kdebase-libs kdelibs3 kdelibs3-bin kdepim-libs kpm libarts libkdenetwork1 libkmid libkonq3 The following NEW packages will be installed: kaddressbook kalarmd kappfinder karbon kcontrol kdcop kdebase-bin kdebugdialog kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdelibs4 kdeprint kdesktop khelpcenter khotkeys kicker kioslave klipper kmenuedit konqueror-nsplugins kpager kpersonalizer ksmserver ksplash ksysguard ktip kwin kxkb libart-2.0-2 libarts1 libarts1-qt libasound2 libcupsys2 libkcal2 libkdenetwork2 libkgantt0 libkonq4 libqt3 libqt3-mt libsensors1 python2.2 49 packages upgraded, 41 newly installed, 14 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 45.6MB/51.5MB of archives. After unpacking 40.6MB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] I answered yes to this, and it asked me to provide cdrom disk 1, and at this point I got nervous. Why? Note that where it says the following packages will be REMOVED it says kdelibs3. Is that not for kde 3? Or is that also present for kde 2.2. Looking at the package lists on the Debian site, it does have a kdelibs3 for stable, so i'm wondering if all is ok, and I can provide the said cdrom and let it read it and do its work. After my previous troubles i'm just very nervous and hesitant and untrusting of it all. Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Thomas Schoepf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 11:17 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting Ignore post - I just tried removing the stable main and it's working now. Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Thomas Schoepf; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent
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Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/konqueror_3.0.3-1wood y1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdepim/libkcal2_3.0.3-1woody1 _i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdepim/kalarmd_3.0.3-1woody1_ i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdepim/libkgantt0_3.0.3-1wood y1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./arts/libarts1_1.0.3-1woody1_i 386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./arts/libarts1-qt_1.0.3-1woody 1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/libkonq4_ 3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdelibs/kdelibs-b in_3.0.3-1woody2_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdelibs/kdelibs-d ata_3.0.3-1woody2_all.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdelibs/kdelibs4_ 3.0.3-1woody2_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kaddressb ook_3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kappfinde r_3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/karbon_1. 2.0-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kcontrol_ 3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kdcop_3.0 .3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kdebase-b in_3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kdebugdia log_3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kdeprint_ 3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kdesktop_ 3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/khelpcent er_3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/khotkeys_ 3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kicker_3. 0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kioslave_ 3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/klipper_3 .0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kmenuedit _3.0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/koffice_1 .2.0-1woody1_all.deb Size mismatch E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-mis sing? Excuse the length of copied text, but I felt it better and wiser to display everything. I checked this also: maxus:/home/maxus# dpkg -l kde Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-=-=- == ii kde 2.2.25The K Desktop Environment So obviously it hasn't worked. I'm not sure what is wrong. I'm not sure to do what apt suggests to do as i'm not 100% totally familiar with it. That doesn't mean I have some idea of what it does, or haven't looked at and read the relevant parts of the man page for it. I can only think that I've missed a step somewhere. Anyone got any suggestions (and please don't tell me to go use redhat, mandrake or microsoft thanks). For those that want to have a go at me and call me stupid etc, i've managed to install other things fine (including applications from src code). I'm using a 'clean' debian install as well. I'm just very tired, very angry and very frustrated and wanting some help to get it all running. Dave -Original Message- From: Malcolm Hunter To: David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 11:40 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting David, Install Red Hat, Mandrake or SuSE - it's a lot less complicated and they properly support KDE 3. On Monday 30 September 2002 02:32, David Pastern wrote: Well that was shortlived...this is the result of apt-get update: maxus:/home/maxus# apt-get update Hit http
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Your post was both offensive and discriminatory (yes I know some gay people, and I find anti gay comments vulgar and unneccessary). Hmm? How was Russell's post offensive, discriminatory or anti-gay? He was mistaken about your sexual orientation but that's about all I can see. Hell, that happens to me every day. On the other hand, as a gay person myself I must say I'm offended that you took offense to being mistaken for gay. :) *huggles* Ben, who finally caved in and joined the thread. :) - -- Ben Burton Debian Developer [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Public Key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only thing to do with good advice is pass it on; it is never of any use to oneself. - Oscar Wilde -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9mEBgMQNuxza4YcERAkVBAKCeLI2gPj6IUK+ZI3f/dDgJWxTmaACfRdae 8BWYZ5KUWPahy9rEeJEqaEU= =JNMA -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: 178 days and counting
Interestingly reading this post on this online forum: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/27477 The first persons response to the post in question is named Mara. He/she says; Try to choose a different server for downloads. It seems the files on server are broken. I'm not sure if this is the case or not in my situation. Any light? Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: Malcolm Hunter; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 30/09/2002 12:05 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting Malcolm, I would prefer not to. Others are shoving it down my throat that i'm a dumbass microsoft user who'd be better off with Redhat et al. Others are also shoving it down my throat that it's me that's stuffing it up at my end, and that that is why it is not working. Others are saying that they all got it to work without any issues, so therefore it must be me that's at fault. And i'm sick of those implications. If others can get it to work, then why can I not also do the same? As far as I can see, i'm not doing anything wrong with the way I have things setup. OK I admit that i'm new to Debian linux. But I'm not totally new to Linux in general. Anyways, I went ahead and accepted it as y and it did some stuff. It then connect to the http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ site. It started d/l packages and it was like yay, finally. I went and made a cuppa and came back to find this: 0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kugar_1.2.0-1wood y1_i 386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kspread_1.2.0-1wo ody1 _i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kpresenter_1.2.0- 1woo dy1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/koshell_1.2.0-1wo ody1 _i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kivio_1.2.0-1wood y1_i 386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kontour_1.2.0-1wo ody1 _i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kformula_1.2.0-1w oody 1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kchart_1.2.0-1woo dy1_ i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/koffice-libs_1.2. 0-1w oody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./koffice/kword_1.2.0-1wood y1_i 386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/ktimer_3.0.3-1wo ody1 _i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdepim/knotes_3.0.3-1wood y1_i 386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/kjots_3.0.3-1woo dy1_ i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/khexedit_3.0.3-1 wood y1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdebase/kfind_3.0.3-1wood y1_i 386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/kdf_3.0.3-1woody 1_i3 86.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/kdepasswd_3.0.3- 1woo dy1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/kcharselect_3.0. 3-1w oody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/kcalc_3.0.3-1woo dy1_ i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdepim/karm_3.0.3-1woody1 _i38 6.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/ark_3.0.3-1woody 1_i3 86.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdeutils/kedit_3. 0.3-1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/kruler_3.0.3- 1woo dy1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/ksnapshot_3.0 .3-1 woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/kfract_3.0.3- 1woo dy1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/kiconedit_3.0 .3-1 woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/kpaint_3.0.3- 1woo dy1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/kghostview_3. 0.3- 1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/./kdegraphics/kcoloredit_3. 0.3- 1woody1_i386.deb Size mismatch Failed
Re: 178 days and counting
On Sunday 29 September 2002 07:17 pm, David Pastern wrote: Interestingly reading this post on this online forum: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/27477 The first persons response to the post in question is named Mara. He/she says; Try to choose a different server for downloads. It seems the files on server are broken. I'm not sure if this is the case or not in my situation. Any light? Dave *unplonk* Hi David Here are my current sources.list and preferences files. I just checked them before writing this mail, so they should work for you (fingers crossed...) /etc/apt/sources.list: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US unstable/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.du.se/pub/mirrors/kde/stable/3.0.3/Debian/ / /etc/apt/preferences: Package: * Pin: release a = testing Pin-Priority: 777 Package: * Pin: release a = unstable Pin-Priority: 333 Hope this gets you up and running. - Derek
RE: 178 days and counting
mmm well...i shouldn't say this, but i'm going to say this...after an endless nightmare of trying to get woody stable to upgrade kde 2.2 to kde 3 I give up. I've never used kde before (being a gnome man up until now) - I wanted to try kde and give it a fair go, but sorry. After all the installation attempts and hassles, forget it. I don't want nothing to do with kde. As far as i'm concerned it's a pile of shit, a big pile of shit. I don't give a rats ass what anyone else thinks of kde, nor what others think of my opinion, it can be shoved in a nice brown orifice for all I care. As yes - i've tried very very very very hard to get this stupid piece of shit to run - i've spent 8 hours on this. I've update from stable to testing. Still no go. I don't care anymore. Question - I want to totally remove EVERY piece of kde 2.2 from my system. Totally. Short of a reinstall (and not choosing kde) how would I do this? I'll stick with gnome thanks (i'm sure i'm going to get flamed for this but I don't care one iota). Dave -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Knigge; David Pastern Cc: David Pashley; debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 27/09/2002 3:36 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting Michael Knigge [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've now reinstalled woody/stable and have only stable in sources.list. I'd love to install kde3.x if someone can point me to a .deb that will install it on standard woody/stable. Anyone? deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ apt-get update apt-get install kdebase apt-get install arts apt-get install kdelibs and kdenetwork / kdegraphics / kde-i18n etc . Guess this is what you want ;-) It appears to be what I want. That looks like what I did, though, and there were still libraries that were required and only available from woody/unstable (libc3.x maybe? I don't remember.) that were dependencies. I'll try this again with only ~schoepf added to the source list and see what happens. Thanks! Derrell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: 178 days and counting
further to my last email: for those that will bitch about it - this is how I setup my /etc/apt/sources.list config file: deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-7 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-6 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-5 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-4 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-3 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20020718)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-fsources.list: unmodified: line 1 Yes I know I have testing (and the email previously said it was stable - trust me I tried stable as well). This is the error message I get (the same for both stable and testing): Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/dists/testing/main/ binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/dists/testing/non-f ree/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/dists/testing/contr ib/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/testing/non-US/cont rib/binary-i386/Packages 400 Bad Request Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org testing/main Packa ges (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eschoepf_kde3_woody_dists_testing_ma in_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org testing/non-free P ackages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eschoepf_kde3_woody_dists_testin g_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org testing/contrib Pa ckages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eschoepf_kde3_woody_dists_testing _contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org testing/main Packa ges (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eschoepf_kde3_woody_dists_testing_ma in_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org testing/non-free P ackages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eschoepf_kde3_woody_dists_testin g_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list http://people.debian.org testing/contrib Pa ckages (/var/lib/apt/lists/people.debian.org_%7eschoepf_kde3_woody_dists_testing _contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. I have installed qt3 and the develop package as well. I've got the correct version of g++ installed etc. I've tried using dselect - no go. Still fails. In fact I downloaded (from a ftp site) the whole debs for kde 3.0.3 about 2 and a bit weeks ago and i've even tried to install from that (manually and also setting it up on sources.list). I've tried copying from cd to hdd and doing it that way...no go. I'm sorry to say it, but kde is wasting my time. Until they learn to make a ./configure file (say openoffice can do it, why can't kde?) I won't touch them. I will not be recommending kde at all. I don't have a problem with debian, it's fantastic. I'm also happy with dselect and apt. It's kde. Dave -Original Message- From: David Pastern To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Knigge; David Pastern Cc: David Pashley; debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: 28/09/2002 22:24 Subject: RE: 178 days and counting mmm well...i shouldn't say this, but i'm going to say this...after an endless nightmare of trying to get woody stable to upgrade kde 2.2 to kde 3 I give up. I've never used kde before (being a gnome man up until now) - I wanted to try kde and give it a fair go, but sorry. After all the installation attempts and hassles, forget it. I don't want nothing to do
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 28 September 2002 13:32, David Pastern wrote: further to my last email: for those that will bitch about it - this is how I setup my /etc/apt/sources.list config file: [snip] deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/ testing main non-free contrib [snip] Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/dists/testing/main/ binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/dists/testing/non-f ree/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/dists/testing/contr ib/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found Failed to fetch Whereas, on Fri, 27 Sep 2002 13:28:27 -0400, Quenten Griffith said: I haven't tired it but there was some discussion on the list a few weeks ago and someone made kde3 for woody deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ So, your apt source is incorrect. WRONG: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody/ testing main non-free contrib RIGHT: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ This is why you got 404 errors when you tried to download the Packages files - they were not found becuase apt had been told to look in the wrong place. I have installed qt3 and the develop package as well. I've got the correct version of g++ installed etc. I've tried using dselect - no go. Still fails. In fact I downloaded (from a ftp site) the whole debs for kde 3.0.3 about 2 and a bit weeks ago and i've even tried to install from that (manually and also setting it up on sources.list). I've tried copying from cd to hdd and doing it that way...no go. I'm sorry to say it, but kde is wasting my time. Until they learn to make a ./configure file (say openoffice can do it, why can't kde?) I won't touch them. I will not be recommending kde at all. I don't have a problem with debian, it's fantastic. I'm also happy with dselect and apt. It's kde. It was not kde - you misconfigured apt. mmm well...i shouldn't say this, but i'm going to say this...after an endless nightmare of trying to get woody stable to upgrade kde 2.2 to kde 3 I give up. I've never used kde before (being a gnome man up until now) - I wanted to try kde and give it a fair go, but sorry. After all the installation attempts and hassles, forget it. I don't want nothing to do with kde. As far as i'm concerned it's a pile of shit, a big pile of shit. I don't give a rats ass what anyone else thinks of kde, nor what others think of my opinion, it can be shoved in a nice brown orifice for all I care. As yes - i've tried very very very very hard to get this stupid piece of shit to run - i've spent 8 hours on this. I've update from stable to testing. Still no go. I don't care anymore. Question - I want to totally remove EVERY piece of kde 2.2 from my system. Totally. Short of a reinstall (and not choosing kde) how would I do this? I'll stick with gnome thanks (i'm sure i'm going to get flamed for this but I don't care one iota). Try something like: apt-get remove --purge kdelibs* kdebase* kde* This should remove most of kde from your system. Also, if you have kde2.2.2 from Debian installed, doing: dpkg -l | grep ^ii | grep 2.2.2 should give you a list of packages which may include any other kde packages which remain. Have fun with GNOME. Paul Cupis - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lakoIzuKV+SHX/kRAk4SAJ9LBiWksg6b9Rp4WJsxM9gl0QKl+QCdHA7m srmvoqI0fxW9fNonIoCcBmE= =9Txu -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: 178 days and counting
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 19:58, scooter wrote: what happens on a Debian system when you compile from source? I have run in succession 3.0 alpha, 3.0beta, 3.1 alpha and now 3.1beta (or for you purests 3.0.7) All built from tarballs on the dread RH. I have never had the slightest difficulty with KDE on RH unless it was something of my own doing but for reasons I will not go into on this list, I am switching to Debian. Since I am a gnome blows kinda guy and require, no insist that I have KDE and in the 3.0 family running on debian woody. I have no experience with .deb or any other debian tools. never liked RPMs for that matter and have always built my packages from source. What say you fellows? source? will there be issues? No more than on any other system, I guess. Just make sure you never have something installed *both* as a .deb package and as self compiled. (But that's the same as with rpm systems). Use apt-get to grab anything you don't want to compile, then go from there. One thing to pay attention: the default compiler on most Debian platforms is gcc-2.9x, so gcc-3.2 might not be installed (iirc kde did have some problems with earlier compilers). Not sure if the gcc from woody is recent enough to support the newest kde betas - you may want to have a mixed woody/sarge system (read 'man apt_preferences'). cheers -- vbi -- secure email with gpg http://fortytwo.ch/gpg NOTICE: subkey signature! request key 92082481 from keyserver.kjsl.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: 178 days and counting
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 20:01, Hendrik Sattler wrote: BTW: I don't understand why most unstable packages are not in unstable anymore. KDE3.x ist left out because of gcc3.2, although it does not make much sense: if it breaks on transistion to gcc3.2- well, it's unstable. Same with XFree4.2. What's the difference to make the gcc change with or without KDE3 in unstable? It compiles with gcc2.95 and troubles with gcc3.2 are expected anyway. Sorry, but it does not make much sense to me at all. This is no matter to me though because I track testing and not unstable. But current behaviour makes unstable rather pointless. The problem is that developers (I mean Debian Developers mostly) actually use unstable for their work. Having unstable packages to work with is ok for most packages, but when core things like XFree, gnome, kde ... are *really* unstable in unstable, people will get annoyed. Yes, unstable is unstable, and developers expect brokenness here and there. But it's a question of magnitude. And: a big update requires a transistion plan to avoid stupid mistakes - and working out a transition plan that works is not easy and takes time, too. cheers -- vbi -- secure email with gpg http://fortytwo.ch/gpg NOTICE: subkey signature! request key 92082481 from keyserver.kjsl.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: 178 days and counting
Em Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:32:46 +1000 David Pastern [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu: [ cut ] debian, it's fantastic. I'm also happy with dselect and apt. It's kde. no , it's you. I have kde 3 runnig on my testing box and it works just fine. -- Home Page - http://sites.uol.com.br/rafaelsch/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED] E pluribus unum
Re: 178 days and counting
On Sat 28 Sep 2002 13:24, David Pastern wrote: thanks (i'm sure i'm going to get flamed for this but I don't care one iota). I'm sorry your experience with KDE was not optimal, but blaming KDE alone is an incorrect assumption. The problems you've encountered are due to a large number of interacting factors between Debian, GCC and KDE. The problem is timing. Debian is currently upgrading it's version of GCC to 3.2. KDE3 has/had problems compiling on GCC3.2, other software packages also have problems with GCC3.2. The KDE maintainer has decided to only develop KDE3 with GCC3.2. Together this creates a large list of compatibility problems depending on which version of name any tool here. For stability, KDE2.2 is available for Debian. This is stable and installable on any stable Debian with a simple apt-get install. The current versions of KDE3 are 'unstable' and the various versions are compiled against a variety of mixed stable/testing/unstable systems. hence the difficulty of getting the mix right. This is known. That is why it's called unstable. If you only want to try the KDE desktop, without trying to help fix problems, then stick with the stable version. It works! Unfortunately it's also old. This is one of the few faults with Debian. I use KDE because it is familiar. I've tried Gnome but can not get my head around it at all. Again, it's down to personal preference. I respect your preference for Gnome. It's what you know. But this is the strong point of Linux, choice! I choose KDE, you choose Gnome. We both choose Debian for it's superior packaging system. When I wanted to play with KDE3, I decided that rather than face the problems you are having, I've been bitten too many times when mixing stable with unstable, to try building a Linux From Scratch system on a spare box for playing with. The base system is an 85M download and a rather lengthy process of compiling and installing everything. I have the sources for XFree864.2.0 and the sources for KDE3.0Beta2. There was a lot of other things to install before I could finally compile and install KDE3. Now I've got a box with a fully custom compiled and installed Linux system including KDE3! As for my regular system, I'll just wait until the current problems are ironed out and I can install KDE3 from the official Debian site, thank you. Please do not allow this complex interaction of a number of problems shade your view of KDE. It is not KDE alone that caused your experiences. Cheers, John Gay
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [ On Saturday 28 September 2002 08:35 am, John Gay wrote: ] [...] The current versions of KDE3 are 'unstable' and the various versions are compiled against a variety of mixed stable/testing/unstable systems. [...] shouldn't we call the current versions of KDE3 'experimental' or 'dangerously-delightful' since they are not yet in unstable? grin sincerely, tim - -- Tim Wheeler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.greengibberish.com/ - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lb68RNiK9b6/KqoRAtZ7AJwMF8NGEx5b8xvW4t+ZPQbAFU3ZyACeI4Vd re210b0kVtscmXOZliH4j1w= =J/OJ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: 178 days and counting
On Sat, 28 Sep 2002 22:24:41 +1000 David Pastern [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't want nothing to do with kde. So it's the wrong list. Alain
RE: 178 days and counting
eh? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm running on a Class C internal network where I live, with a direct backend into the ms exchange server (yes the gentleman where I live runs his own ISP, Microsoft based without a single touch of linux as he thinks it's a pile of shit and a fad - oh and he does have 20 years or so of experience in the IT industry). Therefore I do not have a pop3 or imap account to set up mutt, evolution etc. At the moment i'm using the ms exchange net feature (ie retrieval of email by logging on via http to my exchange account), which saves me having to reboot into ms windows to check my email. I do not intend to change the way my mail works, nor should I have to. I think i'll just keep my mouth shut from now on and read teh posts and that's it. I'm to the point where i'm seroiusly considering formatting it and just make it all ms windows again. Thanks kde - you've really turned me off. Oh and for those that bitch about me not having the correct line in my sources.list I actually did try that as well, with the same dependency fuckups. I'm beyond caring now. Dave -Original Message- From: Hendrik Sattler To: David Pastern Sent: 28/09/2002 0:26 Subject: Re: 178 days and counting -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Samstag, 28. September 2002 14:32 schrieb David Pastern: [...] I know this is not your fault but your current mailer (Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)) is pretty bad because it is missing headers that all common MUAs use to display threading. This is pretty annoying and hard to track the discussion this way. For personal mailing, no threading might be sufficient, on mailing lists it is somewhat essential. I have no idea what it is but please try to use a normal mail program. From your previous posting, I assume you use gnome, so maybe balsa or even mutt or anything like this (even mozilla or old netscape 4.7x) are not out of reach to you. if you cannot get around this Internet Mail Service, please write them a mail to implement the use of the References: and In-Reply-To: headers when replaying to mails. Thank you HS - -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verf*gbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder *ber pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.schulnetz.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lbwIzvr6q9zCwcERAtdHAJ0RhGQho9W31dRznviXvy0L4R1maQCfUwSs FXPD6sD5yYvJmHugYGSWKjY= =Q6vF -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: 178 days and counting
David Pastern said: I'm beyond caring now. That's OK, so are we... --kurt
Re: 178 days and counting
Thomas Schoepf wrote: Let me summarize: 1. you put the wrong line into sources.list 2. 8 hours of trial error but you couldn't figure that out 3. you blame it all on kde 4. although you said that you want nothing to do with kde you keep posting on debian-kde 5. you were pointed to the correct line for sources.list 6. seems you're still blaming kde for it. Sorry, I usually stay quiet but you really need a break to think about whose fault it was to use a wrong sources.list. I usually stay quiet too, but lets just ignore the blatent troll now, before all the other lurkers like me also feel the need to come out of hiding and spell out what a pillock this guy is. He's not buying himself much credability by suggesting his friend or whatever has been in the business for 20 years, doesn't recoginse linux as anything worthwhile and chooses exchange as his mail server for an isp. Exchange hasn't been around half that time, and microsoft not much more, so you may as well cram all that usefull experience of something or other right up your ass, cos it's sure not going to impress one person on this list. But just as you mention exchange prevents you using pop or imap - here's the scoop - exchange supports pop and imap. Although personally I think people like you should just stick to windows. Or maybe buy a mac, as you do sound like the kind of person to get confused between two mouse buttons and blame it on the keyboard manufacturer. -- dan
Re: 178 days and counting
Also, just to let Mr. Pastern know -- I am running X4.2, as well as KDE3.1 beta. EVERYTHING that I have was gotten via apt. The system works. It isn't difficult. Also, kde.org has a apt-source so you can get KDE 3.0.3 IIRC. If you need help setting it up, people here are willing to do that, although I'm sure there are tons of online docs you can look at to get it up and running, which is what I did. I am sorry it didn't work as you planned, but accept the fact that *maybe, just maybe* you did something slightly wrong. Feel free to email me personally and I'll try to help you get set up. Otherwise stop flaming the list please, it gets you nowhere and wastes our time. Regards, Dustin Melancon [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dan Slatford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: 178 days and counting Thomas Schoepf wrote: Let me summarize: 1. you put the wrong line into sources.list 2. 8 hours of trial error but you couldn't figure that out 3. you blame it all on kde 4. although you said that you want nothing to do with kde you keep posting on debian-kde 5. you were pointed to the correct line for sources.list 6. seems you're still blaming kde for it. Sorry, I usually stay quiet but you really need a break to think about whose fault it was to use a wrong sources.list. I usually stay quiet too, but lets just ignore the blatent troll now, before all the other lurkers like me also feel the need to come out of hiding and spell out what a pillock this guy is. He's not buying himself much credability by suggesting his friend or whatever has been in the business for 20 years, doesn't recoginse linux as anything worthwhile and chooses exchange as his mail server for an isp. Exchange hasn't been around half that time, and microsoft not much more, so you may as well cram all that usefull experience of something or other right up your ass, cos it's sure not going to impress one person on this list. But just as you mention exchange prevents you using pop or imap - here's the scoop - exchange supports pop and imap. Although personally I think people like you should just stick to windows. Or maybe buy a mac, as you do sound like the kind of person to get confused between two mouse buttons and blame it on the keyboard manufacturer. -- dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 178 days and counting
On Saturday 28 September 2002 04:34 pm, David Pastern wrote: eh? Thanks, but no thanks. I'm running on a Class C internal network where I live, with a direct backend into the ms exchange server (yes the gentleman where I live runs his own ISP, Microsoft based without a single touch of linux as he thinks it's a pile of shit and a fad - oh and he does have 20 years or so of experience in the IT industry). Therefore I do not have a pop3 or imap account to set up mutt, evolution etc. At the moment i'm using the ms exchange net feature (ie retrieval of email by logging on via http to my exchange account), which saves me having to reboot into ms windows to check my email. I do not intend to change the way my mail works, nor should I have to. I think i'll just keep my mouth shut from now on and read teh posts and that's it. I'm to the point where i'm seroiusly considering formatting it and just make it all ms windows again. Thanks kde - you've really turned me off. Oh and for those that bitch about me not having the correct line in my sources.list I actually did try that as well, with the same dependency fuckups. I'm beyond caring now. Dave *plonk* - Derek
178 days and counting
Since KDE 3.0 was released, and still nothing in sid. -- Brad Felmey
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 27 September 2002 2:48 pm, Brad Felmey wrote: Since KDE 3.0 was released, and still nothing in sid. -- Brad Felmey Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. - -- David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lIPWYsCKa6wDNXYRAoFtAJ4mZb5noFhCkUFRCTqe1h/ablQrnACgiYz3 k7Ig8eY97dWx7gRUN1T6zr0= =OcOa -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: 178 days and counting
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 11:14, David Pashley wrote: Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. -- Brad Felmey
Re: 178 days and counting
David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 27 September 2002 2:48 pm, Brad Felmey wrote: Since KDE 3.0 was released, and still nothing in sid. Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody That's likely the problem that I encountered. I did a fresh woody installation. I then wanted kde3.0 and added a feed that contained it. It required libraries found only in woody/unstable (not even in available from woody/testing) so I added unstable to my sources.list, selected kde3.0 with dselect, and about four hours later, 350 new packages were installed or upgraded. kde3.0 worked great but lots of other things broke. Many apps that previously worked (e.g. sshd and dig) gave Illegal instruction after the upgrade. I've now reinstalled woody/stable and have only stable in sources.list. I'd love to install kde3.x if someone can point me to a .deb that will install it on standard woody/stable. Anyone? Thanks, Derrell
Re: 178 days and counting
I haven't tired it but there was some discussion on the list a few weeks ago and someone made kde3 for woody deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ I am running kde3 on testing though with no real troubles to speak of. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Pashley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Friday 27 September 2002 2:48 pm, Brad Felmey wrote: Since KDE 3.0 was released, and still nothing in sid. Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody That's likely the problem that I encountered. I did a fresh woody installation. I then wanted kde3.0 and added a feed that contained it. It required libraries found only in woody/unstable (not even in available from woody/testing) so I added unstable to my sources.list, selected kde3.0 with dselect, and about four hours later, 350 new packages were installed or upgraded. kde3.0 worked great but lots of other things broke. Many apps that previously worked (e.g. sshd and dig) gave Illegal instruction after the upgrade. I've now reinstalled woody/stable and have only stable in sources.list. I'd love to install kde3.x if someone can point me to a .deb that will install it on standard woody/stable. Anyone? Thanks, Derrell
Re: 178 days and counting
I've now reinstalled woody/stable and have only stable in sources.list. I'd love to install kde3.x if someone can point me to a .deb that will install it on standard woody/stable. Anyone? deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ apt-get update apt-get install kdebase apt-get install arts apt-get install kdelibs and kdenetwork / kdegraphics / kde-i18n etc . Guess this is what you want ;-) Bye Michael
Re: 178 days and counting
On Friday 27 September 2002 18:25, Brad Felmey wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 11:14, David Pashley wrote: Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. -- Brad Felmey Or you could try some other distro. A lot a debian people have left because debian isn't that cool anymore because all the new software is missing. Try gentoo it is source based but has most of the latest available source code. Or mandrake, I have found that the new version 9.0 is very usable. Bastiaan
RE: 178 days and counting
I don't think the reason why one would choose Debian was ever to have always the latest packages without any hassle You choose Debian because it is 1337 :)) -Original Message- From: Bastiaan Naber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:33 PM To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: 178 days and counting On Friday 27 September 2002 18:25, Brad Felmey wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 11:14, David Pashley wrote: Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. -- Brad Felmey Or you could try some other distro. A lot a debian people have left because debian isn't that cool anymore because all the new software is missing. Try gentoo it is source based but has most of the latest available source code. Or mandrake, I have found that the new version 9.0 is very usable. Bastiaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Yahoo! präsentiert als offizieller Sponsor das Fußball-Highlight des Jahres: - http://www.FIFAworldcup.com
Re: 178 days and counting
what happens on a Debian system when you compile from source? I have run in succession 3.0 alpha, 3.0beta, 3.1 alpha and now 3.1beta (or for you purests 3.0.7) All built from tarballs on the dread RH. I have never had the slightest difficulty with KDE on RH unless it was something of my own doing but for reasons I will not go into on this list, I am switching to Debian. Since I am a gnome blows kinda guy and require, no insist that I have KDE and in the 3.0 family running on debian woody. I have no experience with .deb or any other debian tools. never liked RPMs for that matter and have always built my packages from source. What say you fellows? source? will there be issues? On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 19:33:09 +0200 Bastiaan Naber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 27 September 2002 18:25, Brad Felmey wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 11:14, David Pashley wrote: Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. -- Brad Felmey Or you could try some other distro. A lot a debian people have left because debian isn't that cool anymore because all the new software is missing. Try gentoo it is source based but has most of the latest available source code. Or mandrake, I have found that the new version 9.0 is very usable. Bastiaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 178 days and counting
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Freitag, 27. September 2002 19:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: woody/unstable (libc3.x maybe? I don't remember.) that were dependencies. Because you wrote that often enought now: woody is not unstable or testing but the current stable, maybe you should take a look at http://www.debian.org to get this right: woody == current stable sarge == current testing sid == always unstable It is annoying and hard to track what you mean when you mix this up completely. BTW: I don't understand why most unstable packages are not in unstable anymore. KDE3.x ist left out because of gcc3.2, although it does not make much sense: if it breaks on transistion to gcc3.2- well, it's unstable. Same with XFree4.2. What's the difference to make the gcc change with or without KDE3 in unstable? It compiles with gcc2.95 and troubles with gcc3.2 are expected anyway. Sorry, but it does not make much sense to me at all. This is no matter to me though because I track testing and not unstable. But current behaviour makes unstable rather pointless. HS - -- Mein GPG-Key ist auf meiner Homepage verfügbar: http://www.hendrik-sattler.de oder über pgp.net PingoS - Linux-User helfen Schulen: http://www.pingos.schulnetz.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9lJzpzvr6q9zCwcERAhSDAJ9CCSVndeCaWflQRp0Y/FLwC1FJxACgjVxv nbp0lnoIHEe4fbM5cNWLONg= =9Zz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: 178 days and counting
Strange, I chose Debian because it's Free, stable, feature-rich and fairly easy to use. The stable distribution is perfect for people who want a general-purpose operating system and have real work to get done, rather than just playing with a technological toy. Can't say I'm iching to upgrade to KDE3. KDE2 has more bells and whistles than I really need already. Am I missing some compelling must-have feature that will make me wonder how I ever lived without it? Oh, and I always thought Slakware was l337 ;-o) perhaps I'm giving away my age. - Dan On Friday 27 Sep 2002 6:36 pm, Albert Heijn wrote: I don't think the reason why one would choose Debian was ever to have always the latest packages without any hassle You choose Debian because it is 1337 :)) -Original Message- From: Bastiaan Naber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 7:33 PM To: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: 178 days and counting On Friday 27 September 2002 18:25, Brad Felmey wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 11:14, David Pashley wrote: Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. -- Brad Felmey Or you could try some other distro. A lot a debian people have left because debian isn't that cool anymore because all the new software is missing. Try gentoo it is source based but has most of the latest available source code. Or mandrake, I have found that the new version 9.0 is very usable. Bastiaan
Re: 178 days and counting
Hendrik Sattler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am Freitag, 27. September 2002 19:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: woody/unstable (libc3.x maybe? I don't remember.) that were dependencies. Because you wrote that often enought now: woody is not unstable or testing but the current stable, maybe you should take a look at http://www.debian.org to get this right: woody == current stable sarge == current testing sid == always unstable It is annoying and hard to track what you mean when you mix this up completely. Sorry. I've been a long-time Redhat user, just recently transitioning to Debian so I'm still learning the lingo. I'll try to be more careful with my terminology in the future. Thanks for the lesson. Derrell
Re: 178 days and counting
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:25:40 -0500 Brad Felmey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 11:14, David Pashley wrote: Well you could join #debian-kde on irc.freenode.org, check out KDE from CVS and fix problems. Whie you're at it you could sort out a correct transition to GCC 3.2 in sid without breaking updates including from woody, or you could just bitch about it. I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. I decided to check out CVS 3.1 beta 2 (and privately fixing some problems). I don't have GCC 3.2 installed.
Re: 178 days and counting
On Fri, 2002-09-27 at 13:14, Simon Hepburn wrote: Brad Felmey wrote: I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. That's odd I'm running sid and kde3.0.3. How did that happen ? Guess I must have pasted one of those pesky apt-lines for ftp.kde.org that people keep littering this list with, into my sources.list. Mind you that's an awful lot of work compared to working out how many days kde3 has been missing from sid and bitching about it on a mailing list. You have my sympathies...honest. Simon, don't even pretend you understand what I was getting at. It's painfully obvious you don't. If I wanted to maintain dozens of workstations using RPMFIND methods, I wouldn't be on Debian. It's people like you and the all-but-AWOL maintainer who are responsible for issues like this: http://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=813 And between bouts of insinuating that I'm too st00p1d to figure out how to install unofficial debs (breaking everything compiled against libarts), see if you can figure out how to set your line-wrap appropriately in KMail. -- Brad Felmey
Re: 178 days and counting
On Fri, Sep 27, 2002 at 01:36:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: deb http://people.debian.org/~schoepf/kde3/woody ./ It appears to be what I want. That looks like what I did, though, and there were still libraries that were required and only available from woody/unstable Use the deb source written above. The packages there will work with woody (=stable) without requiring any libs from testing or unstable. Bye Thomas --
Re: 178 days and counting
Brad Felmey wrote: Simon, don't even pretend you understand what I was getting at. It's painfully obvious you don't. Given that your posts consisted of: Since KDE 3.0 was released, and still nothing in sid. and I'd rather just bitch about it, thanks. ... what is it that we are supposed to understand ? If I wanted to maintain dozens of workstations using RPMFIND methods, I wouldn't be on Debian. It's people like you and the all-but-AWOL maintainer who are responsible for issues like this: http://debianplanet.org/node.php?id=813 I fail to see how I'm responsible for any of the issues raised in this article. I wont even attempt to speak on Chris's behalf but I will say that I am more than happy with the job Chris has done, since he took over as kde maintainer. Perhaps that's because I'm judging him by the quality of his packages and not by how vocal he is on this list. What makes you think he is all-but-AWOL ? And between bouts of insinuating that I'm too st00p1d to figure out how to install unofficial debs (breaking everything compiled against libarts), see if you can figure out how to set your line-wrap appropriately in KMail. The only thing I insinuated was that it's not a big effort to add a couple of lines to your sources.list. You seem to be suggesting that you intend to employ debian/unstable on dozens of workstations, presumably a production environment: I'd say that editing a simple config file will be the least of your problems and I would have thought you would be grateful that so much hard work was going into minimising the effects of the transition to gcc3.2. Or would you prefer it if your dozens of workstations were a bit more unstable ? As for the line wrap it's set to 78, always has been. Looks like a bug in kmail when moving mails to or from the drafts folder. I'll try and reproduce it. Anyone else seen anything similar ? Nothing on the kde bug page. -- Simon Hepburn.
Re: 178 days and counting
Simon Hepburn wrote: As for the line wrap it's set to 78, always has been. Looks like a bug in kmail when moving mails to or from the drafts folder. I'll try and reproduce it. Anyone else seen anything similar ? Nothing on the kde bug page. Reproduced and reported as #48392 -- Simon Hepburn.
