Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Amarok is a different case. It uses an embedded MySQL engine (mysqle) and I haven't found a way to dump that. The upshot? I had to rescan my entire music collection and lost my ratings and statistics in the process. But not this one. Maybe you can dump it, if you install a 32 bit - I don't know if a 64 bit MySQL will work - MySQL server and put the directory I tried to do that on the old machine. Using a MySQL 32-bit *server* to run with the MySQLe data dir. Didn't work. Maybe there is another command for dumping an MySQL embedded database. Did you use a search engine to find something like that? I was unable to find anything relevant on the web. I'm using MySQL (if I can't use PostgreSQL) for software development and these are details even I am not familiar with, I would expect an ordinary user to have any idea of them. IMHO thats worth a upstream bug report regarding Amarok. The application should provide a migration path from 32- to 64-bit. Or you can ask on the amarok mailinglist. Hmmm, sooner or later I will face the same problem then. I think I write a short note to Amarok mailing list. -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
I tried to do that on the old machine. Using a MySQL 32-bit *server* to run with the MySQLe data dir. Didn't work. Maybe there is another command for dumping an MySQL embedded database. Did you use a search engine to find something like that? I was unable to find anything relevant on the web. I'm using MySQL (if I can't use PostgreSQL) for software development and these are details even I am not familiar with, I would expect an ordinary user to have any idea of them. Michael Shortly, I'd suggest to use a whole backup of your home directory it's faster and you don't lose any data. Later, you can start removing stuff here and there or cleanup your configuration. About the 32bit/64bit issue. From what I have read around (mainly here: http://lists.mysql.com/mysql/212521) you can migrate your MySQL db using dumps (I don't know what they are, but it seems feasible). Valerio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006171038.55045.valerio.pass...@unicam.it
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
On 2010-06-15, Michael Schuerig wrote: I'm getting a new computer in the next few days and, of course, I need to move my data from the old to the new one. In the past, I have simply copied copied ~/.kde, but I hope to find another way, this time. Over the years, quite a bit of cruft has accumulated in that directory and I'd like to get rid of that. Besides, KDE has grown beyond its own directory and puts data in, e.g., ~/.local. -- Is the safest solution to copy /home in its entirety and sort out the cruft manually? think the opposite approach works better: start fresh and copy over just the bits you don't want to redo So, I'm wondering, whether there is an official way of copying data? What's been working for others on this list? I did the above approach a couple of weeks ago for new lappie, basically I started fresh except for kmail, akregator and kwallet (note that kmail will be regenerating all indexes on startup in this case which can take a while if you have a lot of mail) -- Cheers, Cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
On Wednesday, 2010-06-16, cobaco wrote: On 2010-06-15, Michael Schuerig wrote: I'm getting a new computer in the next few days and, of course, I need to move my data from the old to the new one. In the past, I have simply copied copied ~/.kde, but I hope to find another way, this time. Over the years, quite a bit of cruft has accumulated in that directory and I'd like to get rid of that. Besides, KDE has grown beyond its own directory and puts data in, e.g., ~/.local. -- Is the safest solution to copy /home in its entirety and sort out the cruft manually? think the opposite approach works better: start fresh and copy over just the bits you don't want to redo So, I'm wondering, whether there is an official way of copying data? What's been working for others on this list? I did the above approach a couple of weeks ago for new lappie, basically I started fresh except for kmail, akregator and kwallet (note that kmail will be regenerating all indexes on startup in this case which can take a while if you have a lot of mail) I think you can avoid that by creating an archive (e.g. using tar) of the mail directory and restoring that on the new account/computer. something like tar xvf kmail.tar .kde/share/apps/kmail .kde/share/config/kmailrc \ .kde/share/config/kmail.notifyrc \ .kde/share/config/emailidentities .kde/share/config/mailtransports Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
Hi Huang and Facundo, Am Dienstag 15 Juni 2010 schrieb Huang, Tao: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Facundo Aguilera budin...@gmail.com wrote: Over the years? I suggest you start a new kde configuration. Facundo +1 Why? I didn't start a new KDE configuration since the initial Debian Sarge setup on my ThinkPad T23. Even the KDE configuration of my T42 is based on a copied over one from the T23. If it can't work without reboot or cleaning the configuration its broken. My oppinion about this is that simple. Ok, cruft would be an issue, but then it should be easy to find any piece of space-wise delete-worthy cruft with du, filelight and others. And whether there is some k-de-installed-app-rc of 5 KiB or so? I don't care. But how about sizes of ~/.kde anyway? Mine is: mar...@shambhala:~/.kde du -sh * | egrep -v (^0|cache) 12K Autostart 8,0Kenv 13M lib 682Mshare 4,0Kshutdown And as expected most of it lives in share: mar...@shambhala:~/.kde/share du -sh * | egrep -v (^0|cache) 12K applications 324Kapplnk 662Mapps 4,0Kautostart 3,8Mconfig 1,5Memoticons 180Kicons 48K kde4 988Klocale 68K mimelnk 48K services 4,0Kservicetypes 14M wallpapers kde4 looks cumbersome. Yes, from a basket installed into my home directory. But also some other services, that probably should fit better into services? locale is from that basket installation too, I think I do not install KDE apps into my home directory anymore ;). And there in apps: mar...@shambhala:~/.kde/share/apps du -sh * | grep M 342Makregator 49M amarok 1,1Maurorae 9,4Mbasket 1,1Mkconf_update 13M kdeprint 11M kget 3,2Mkiten 2,2Mkmail 1,1Mkonqueror 5,7Mkonversation 2,0Mkopete 11M korganizer 8,3Mkpdf 2,8Mkstars 2,8Mktorrent 171Mnepomuk 20M plasma_engine_comic Thus space-wise delete-worthy cruft is easy to spot. I know my Akregator setup is insane ;). plasma_engine_comic looks like it is caching a lot of comics, kdeprint and kget are huge, but apart from that nothing too unexpected. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote: If it can't work without reboot or cleaning the configuration its broken. My oppinion about this is that simple. As I'm now mostly through the migration, I can tell you that all the databases break on the change from 32 to 64 bit. The Desktop Search database (virtuoso) doesn't work anymore. The Akonadi database (MySQL server) doesn't work anymore, but if you know your way with mysqldump you have a chance to extract the data and insert it again in the new database. Amarok is a different case. It uses an embedded MySQL engine (mysqle) and I haven't found a way to dump that. The upshot? I had to rescan my entire music collection and lost my ratings and statistics in the process. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006162012.32090.mich...@schuerig.de
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote: If it can't work without reboot or cleaning the configuration its broken. My oppinion about this is that simple. As I'm now mostly through the migration, I can tell you that all the databases break on the change from 32 to 64 bit. The Desktop Search database (virtuoso) doesn't work anymore. The Akonadi database (MySQL server) doesn't work anymore, but if you know your way with mysqldump you have a chance to extract the data and insert it again in the new database. Okay. Good to know. I thought about even migrating my 32-bit debian setup to 64-bit once I have a suitable laptop.[1] I think you can safely recreate both of those. But the Nepomuk one only if you didn't add your own tags or other hand-made information. Amarok is a different case. It uses an embedded MySQL engine (mysqle) and I haven't found a way to dump that. The upshot? I had to rescan my entire music collection and lost my ratings and statistics in the process. But not this one. Maybe you can dump it, if you install a 32 bit - I don't know if a 64 bit MySQL will work - MySQL server and put the directory /home/martin/.kde/share/apps/amarok/mysqle/amarok into /var/lib/mysql. Maybe there is another command for dumping an MySQL embedded database. Did you use a search engine to find something like that? [1] http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/ Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Am Mittwoch 16 Juni 2010 schrieb Michael Schuerig: On Wednesday 16 June 2010, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Amarok is a different case. It uses an embedded MySQL engine (mysqle) and I haven't found a way to dump that. The upshot? I had to rescan my entire music collection and lost my ratings and statistics in the process. But not this one. Maybe you can dump it, if you install a 32 bit - I don't know if a 64 bit MySQL will work - MySQL server and put the directory I tried to do that on the old machine. Using a MySQL 32-bit *server* to run with the MySQLe data dir. Didn't work. Maybe there is another command for dumping an MySQL embedded database. Did you use a search engine to find something like that? I was unable to find anything relevant on the web. I'm using MySQL (if I can't use PostgreSQL) for software development and these are details even I am not familiar with, I would expect an ordinary user to have any idea of them. Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006162216.27363.mich...@schuerig.de
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
El Martes 15 Junio 2010 02:55:12 Michael Schuerig mich...@schuerig.de escribió: I'm getting a new computer in the next few days and, of course, I need to move my data from the old to the new one. In the past, I have simply copied copied ~/.kde, but I hope to find another way, this time. Over the years, quite a bit of cruft has accumulated in that directory and I'd like to get rid of that. Besides, KDE has grown beyond its own directory and puts data in, e.g., ~/.local. -- Is the safest solution to copy /home in its entirety and sort out the cruft manually? (...) Michael Over the years? I suggest you start a new kde configuration. Facundo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006151003.13256.budin...@gmail.com
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Facundo Aguilera budin...@gmail.com wrote: Over the years? I suggest you start a new kde configuration. Facundo +1 Tao -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/aanlktind2tnb4qffaaef6hxxym-mvxd2typwznp2t...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
Am Dienstag 15 Juni 2010 schrieb Michael Schuerig: I'm getting a new computer in the next few days and, of course, I need to move my data from the old to the new one. In the past, I have simply copied copied ~/.kde, but I hope to find another way, this time. Over the years, quite a bit of cruft has accumulated in that directory and I'd like to get rid of that. Besides, KDE has grown beyond its own directory and puts data in, e.g., ~/.local. -- Is the safest solution to copy /home in its entirety and sort out the cruft manually? Also, as I'm moving from 32-bit to 64-bit, I'm concerned if all data formats are compatible? Specifically regarding data stored in Akonadi's MySQL and Virtuoso databases (are there SQLite databases around, too?). Interestingly I've done the very same just 3 days ago (old installation was years old, new installation is 64-bit). For KDE things, there is http://kamion2.sourceforge.net/ but I don't know how well it works. I didn't use it because I also had to migrate other settings (.ssh, .gnupg, .bash*, etc.), so I simply manually checked everything in .local, .config and .kde and copied over everything that looked migration- worthy. That took less than an hour, and the results are pretty good. Important apps like kontact/kmail/akregator/knode, konqueror, amarok all work like before, and I got rid of a lot of old cruft. Of course I still have a copy of *all* old files around in case I missed something. Cheers, Carsten -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006151643.16248.pfeif...@kde.org
Copying data and settings from old to new computer?
I'm getting a new computer in the next few days and, of course, I need to move my data from the old to the new one. In the past, I have simply copied copied ~/.kde, but I hope to find another way, this time. Over the years, quite a bit of cruft has accumulated in that directory and I'd like to get rid of that. Besides, KDE has grown beyond its own directory and puts data in, e.g., ~/.local. -- Is the safest solution to copy /home in its entirety and sort out the cruft manually? Also, as I'm moving from 32-bit to 64-bit, I'm concerned if all data formats are compatible? Specifically regarding data stored in Akonadi's MySQL and Virtuoso databases (are there SQLite databases around, too?). So, I'm wondering, whether there is an official way of copying data? What's been working for others on this list? Michael -- Michael Schuerig mailto:mich...@schuerig.de http://www.schuerig.de/michael/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/201006150755.13144.mich...@schuerig.de
