Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hi all, Am Dienstag, 10. November 2020, 00:29:14 CET schrieb Miguel A. Vallejo: > Hello Hector. > YES! > Your proposal worked like a charm! Everything was updated without any problem. > Thank you! ...just as a very gentle reminder of what I had a misconception about in the past and have since learnt: This is exactly what unstable/testing is all about: Sorting out these kinds of things - neither unstable nor testing are some sort of rolling release (as I was initially mistaking it for, at least in the case of testing). Huge thanks to the team for all the effort, and huge thanks for the daring to endeavour into testing new KDE packages! :-) Best, Christian -- signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hello Hector. YES! Your proposal worked like a charm! Everything was updated without any problem. Thank you!
Re: Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hi Miguel, have you full qt-5.15-1 on your system ?. I'm on testing and i have problems with the upgrade (2020-11-07). I was finally able to do it without breaking the system. Basically, the steps: $ sudo apt install libqt5webengine5 libqt5webenginecore5 libqt5webenginewidgets5 plasma-workspace-dev qtdeclarative5-dev libkf5configwidgets-dev libqt5x11extras5-dev kwin-dev libkf5auth-dev libkf5codecs-dev libkf5config-dev libkf5coreaddons-dev libkf5dbusaddons-dev libkf5guiaddons-dev libkf5itemmodels-dev libkf5package-dev libkf5plasma-dev libkf5service-dev libkf5sysguard-dev libkf5widgetsaddons-dev libkf5windowsystem-dev libqt5x11extras5-dev plasma-workspace-dev qtdeclarative5-dev This (above) upgrade a lot of packages and uninstall qt5-default:amd64 (5.14.2+dfsg-6)=> This packages is not available on sid and testing. After then I did dist-upgrade and i can upgrade the system without errors.. You can see the details : https://pastebin.pl/view/daf0660c I hope this can help you.. Best Regards
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Norbert Preining wrote: > Could it be that you have some packages from experimental or somewhere > else installed? > > Can you send the outputs of the following two commands: > aptitude search -F "%p %v" '~S~i~Aexper' > aptitude search -F "%p %v" '~S~i~Aexper' No experimental packages, both commands return nothing.
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hi On Mon, 09 Nov 2020, Miguel A. Vallejo wrote: > This is really weird. Continuing with the example of dolphin: Could it be that you have some packages from experimental or somewhere else installed? Can you send the outputs of the following two commands: aptitude search -F "%p %v" '~S~i~Aexper' aptitude search -F "%p %v" '~S~i~Aexper' Thanks Norbert -- PREINING Norbert https://www.preining.info Accelia Inc. + IFMGA ProGuide + TU Wien + JAIST + TeX Live + Debian Dev GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Miguel A. Vallejo ha scritto: > This is really weird. Continuing with the example of dolphin: > > > > apt install -V dolphin > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > dolphin is already the newest version (4:20.08.2-1). > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 182 not upgraded. > > > But and apt full-upgrade want to uninstall a lot of packages, > including dolphin, so I don't understand anything: What about listing the packages you want to keep after apt full-upgrade, one by one, and see what happens? apt full-upgrade dolphin ... -- Luigi
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
This is really weird. Continuing with the example of dolphin: apt install -V dolphin Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done dolphin is already the newest version (4:20.08.2-1). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 182 not upgraded. But and apt full-upgrade want to uninstall a lot of packages, including dolphin, so I don't understand anything: apt full-upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer re quired: accountsservice akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-contacts-data akonadi-mime-data akonadi-server apper-data appstream apt-config-icons apt-config-icons-hidpi apt-config-icons-large apt-config-icons-large-hidpi baloo-kf5 bluez-obexd breeze-cursor-theme breeze-gtk-theme cdparanoia cdrdao cracklib-runtime cups-pk-helper default-mysql-client-core default-mysql-server-core dnsmasq-base drkonqi dvd+rw-tools fonts-hack fonts-noto-hinted frameworkintegration freeglut3 gdal-data genisoimage geoclue-2.0 gir1.2-notify-0.7 gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 gir1.2-secret-1 growisofs ieee-data k3b-data kamera kate5-data kde-cli-tools-data kde-config-gtk-style kde-config-mailtransport kde-config-sddm kde-style-breeze kdeaccessibility kdepim-runtime kdepim-themeeditors kdeplasma-addons-data kf5-kdepim-apps-libs-data kf5-messagelib-data kgamma5 khotkeys khotkeys-data kimageformat-plugins kio-ldap kmag kmenuedit kmousetool kmouth kross ksysguard-data ksysguardd kuserfeedback-doc kwin-data kwin-style-breeze kwrited libaccounts-glib0 libaccounts-qt5-1 libaccountsservice0 libao-common libao4 libappstream4 libappstreamqt2 libarmadillo10 libaudio2 libbluetooth3 libboost-atomic1.71-dev libboost-atomic1.71.0 libboost-chrono1.71-dev libboost-container1.71-dev libboost-container1.71.0 libboost-context1.71-dev libboost-context1.71.0 libboost-coroutine1.71-dev libboost-coroutine1.71.0 libboost-date-time1.71-dev libboost-exception1.71-dev libboost-fiber1.71-dev libboost-fiber1.71.0 libboost-filesystem1.71-dev libboost-graph1.71-dev libboost-graph1.71.0 libboost-iostreams1.71-dev libboost-locale1.71-dev libboost-log1.71-dev libboost-log1.71.0 libboost-math1.71-dev libboost-math1.71.0 libboost-numpy1.71-dev libboost-numpy1.71.0 libboost-program-options1.71-dev libboost-python1.71-dev libboost-python1.71.0 libboost-random1.71-dev libboost-random1.71.0 libboost-regex1.71-dev libboost-serialization1.71-dev libboost-stacktrace1.71-dev libboost-stacktrace1.71.0 libboost-system1.71-dev libboost-system1.71.0 libboost-test1.71-dev libboost-test1.71.0 libboost-thread1.71-dev libboost-timer1.71-dev libboost-timer1.71.0 libboost-type-erasure1.71-dev libboost-type-erasure1.71.0 libboost-wave1.71-dev libboost-wave1.71.0 libboost1.71-dev libcharls2 libcppunit-1.15-0 libcppunit-dev libcrack2 libdap25 libdapclient6v5 libdmtx0b libdolphinvcs5 libepsilon1 libfakekey0 libfreexl1 libfyba0 libgdal27 libgeos-3.8.1 libgeos-c1v5 libgeotiff5 libglfw3 libglib2.0-bin libgmp-dev libgmpxx4ldbl libgnuradio-channels3.8.2 libgnuradio-dtv3.8.2 libgnuradio-fec3.8.2 libgnuradio-trellis3.8.2 libgnuradio-video-sdl3.8.2 libgnuradio-vocoder3.8.2 libgnuradio-wavelet3.8.2 libgnuradio-zeromq3.8.2 libgps26 libgsm1-dev libhdf4-0-alt libhdf5-hl-100 libibus-1.0-5 libical3 libiso9660-11 libjim0.79 libkaccounts2 libkdecorations2private6 libkf5akonadi-data libkf5akonadiagentbase5 libkf5akonadicalendar-data libkf5akonadicalendar5abi1 libkf5akonadicontact5 libkf5akonadicore5abi2 libkf5akonadimime5 libkf5akonadinotes5 libkf5akonadiprivate5abi2 libkf5akonadisearch-bin libkf5akonadisearch-data libkf5akonadisearchcore5 libkf5akonadisearchdebug5 libkf5akonadisearchpim5 libkf5akonadisearchxapian5 libkf5akonadiwidgets5abi1 libkf5alarmcalendar-data libkf5alarmcalendar5abi1 libkf5auth5 libkf5baloo5 libkf5balooengine5 libkf5baloowidgets-bin libkf5baloowidgets5 libkf5bluezqt-data libkf5bluezqt6 libkf5calendarcore5abi2 libkf5calendarevents5 libkf5calendarsupport-data libkf5calendarsupport5abi1 libkf5calendarutils5 libkf5cddb5 libkf5contacteditor5 libkf5contacts-data libkf5contacts5 libkf5dav-data libkf5dav5 libkf5declarative-data libkf5declarative5 libkf5emoticons-bin libkf5emoticons-data libkf5emoticons5 libkf5eventviews-data libkf5eventviews5abi1 libkf5grantleetheme-plugins libkf5grantleetheme5 libkf5gravatar-data libkf5gravatar5abi2 libkf5holidays-data libkf5holidays5 libkf5identitymanagement5 libkf5imap-data libkf5imap5 libkf5incidenceeditor-data libkf5itemmodels5 libkf5kaddressbookgrantlee5 libkf5kaddressbookimportexport5 libkf5kcmutils-data libkf5kdcraw5 libkf5kdelibs4support-data libkf5kdelibs4support5 libkf5kdelibs4support5-bin libkf5kexiv2-15.0.0 libkf5kipi-data libkf5kipi32.0.0 libkf5kmanagesieve5 libkf5konq6 libkf5kontactinterface-data libkf5kontactinterface5 libkf5krosscore5 libkf5krossui5 libkf5ksieve-data li
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Boris Pek wrote: > What apt says you if you try to update a single package from KDE+Plasma stack? > For example: > > sudo apt install -V dolphin It says: dolphin is already the newest version (4:20.08.2-1). And my sources.list points to the principal debian repository: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free Any ideas?
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hi, > Dist-upgrade wants to remove 103 packages, many of them are programs I > use every day, like kate, dolphin, plasma-destop, virtualbox, okular, > etc... > > Full-upgrade wants to remove the same 103 essential packages > > It does not look good What apt says you if you try to update a single package from KDE+Plasma stack? For example: sudo apt install -V dolphin -- Boris
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Thom Castermans () wrote: > > Hi Miguel, > > As I just wrote in another thread, you may need to `apt full-upgrade` > instead of only `apt upgrade` to get the new KDE. > > Best, > Thom Hello Tom. No luck, apt update keeps back almost 200 packages. Dist-upgrade wants to remove 103 packages, many of them are programs I use every day, like kate, dolphin, plasma-destop, virtualbox, okular, etc... Full-upgrade wants to remove the same 103 essential packages It does not look good
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hi Miguel, As I just wrote in another thread, you may need to `apt full-upgrade` instead of only `apt upgrade` to get the new KDE. Best, Thom Op wo 4 nov. 2020 om 08:40 schreef Thom Castermans : > > Hi Miguel, > > This situation is normal when the Debian KDE team is going through a > (relatively big) KDE upgrade. It may take a couple of weeks before all > packages have been built, tested and moved from experimental to Sid. > In my experience it is best to simply be patient and wait until apt > tells you it is safe to upgrade. It hasn't failed me so far. > > Looking forward, thanks to all of the team for their work! > > Best, > Thom > > > Op di 3 nov. 2020 om 18:18 schreef Miguel A. Vallejo : > > > > Hello. > > > > Since a week ago (+/-) both apt upgrade and dist-upgrade want to keep > > back / remove a TON of packages, most of them QT / KDE related. Since > > I do not want to break the system, when will be safe to upgrade the > > system? > > > > I tried to upgrade only some programs because I use them regularly but > > because they are QT based the effect is the same: apt wants to remove > > a ton of packages and libraries, packages like dolphin, > > kde-plasma-desktop, kmail or knotes. It doesn't seem to be the best > > option right now. > > > > What must I do? Wait some days more? > > > > Thanks in advance > >
Re: Current status of KDE in Sid
Hi Miguel, This situation is normal when the Debian KDE team is going through a (relatively big) KDE upgrade. It may take a couple of weeks before all packages have been built, tested and moved from experimental to Sid. In my experience it is best to simply be patient and wait until apt tells you it is safe to upgrade. It hasn't failed me so far. Looking forward, thanks to all of the team for their work! Best, Thom Op di 3 nov. 2020 om 18:18 schreef Miguel A. Vallejo : > > Hello. > > Since a week ago (+/-) both apt upgrade and dist-upgrade want to keep > back / remove a TON of packages, most of them QT / KDE related. Since > I do not want to break the system, when will be safe to upgrade the > system? > > I tried to upgrade only some programs because I use them regularly but > because they are QT based the effect is the same: apt wants to remove > a ton of packages and libraries, packages like dolphin, > kde-plasma-desktop, kmail or knotes. It doesn't seem to be the best > option right now. > > What must I do? Wait some days more? > > Thanks in advance >
Current status of KDE in Sid
Hello. Since a week ago (+/-) both apt upgrade and dist-upgrade want to keep back / remove a TON of packages, most of them QT / KDE related. Since I do not want to break the system, when will be safe to upgrade the system? I tried to upgrade only some programs because I use them regularly but because they are QT based the effect is the same: apt wants to remove a ton of packages and libraries, packages like dolphin, kde-plasma-desktop, kmail or knotes. It doesn't seem to be the best option right now. What must I do? Wait some days more? Thanks in advance
Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 07:46:22PM -0700, Hereon wrote: > > So, it seems you are saying that there are some extra steps (besides what > Paul indicated) that are _required_ to be done to get KDE installed on Sid, > in consideration of these problems in kdebase & kdemultimedia. If that is > true, what are those extra steps? A basic KDE system (most apps) can be installed in sid today, with only one required workaround (detailed in the FAQ at http://wiki.debian.net/DebianKDE). This workaround is to install a library package which was removed from the archive just after KDE was last built. I am not aware of any workaround to install the kdemultimedia meta-package in current sid. Hopefully Chris will upload a fixed package before long. Paul Cupis -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?
--- Ricardo Galli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Which doesn't mean it's in a good status. But the opposite. > > > > Ricardo - You say that it is in "the opposite of good status". > > > > Do you mean: > > > > 1) That some extra steps beyond normal are required to _install_ it? > > (As Paul indicated.) Or, > > Yes, there are some wrong dependencies in kdebase and kdemultimedia (it > seems due to a bad NMU) Oh. Too bad. :( But, good to be aware of. :) So, it seems you are saying that there are some extra steps (besides what Paul indicated) that are _required_ to be done to get KDE installed on Sid, in consideration of these problems in kdebase & kdemultimedia. If that is true, what are those extra steps? > > 2) That even when installed, using the extra steps, KDE on Debian (Sid) > > is not functioning properly? > The Sid version is perfectly usable, with some annoyances. Thanks. :) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?
On Sunday 05 October 2003 01:28, Hereon shaped the electrons to shout: > --- Ricardo Galli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Saturday 04 October 2003 10:53, Paul Cupis shaped the electrons to > > > > shout: > > > > 2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would > > > > seem to imply that it is available. > > > > > > It is available. > > > > Which doesn't mean it's in a good status. But the opposite. > > Thanks Paul & Ricardo! :) > > Ricardo - You say that it is in "the opposite of good status". > > Do you mean: > > 1) That some extra steps beyond normal are required to _install_ it? > (As Paul indicated.) Or, Yes, there are some wrong dependencies in kdebase and kdemultimedia (it seems due to a bad NMU) > 2) That even when installed, using the extra steps, KDE on Debian (Sid) > is not functioning properly? Problems with accented and non ascii characters: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2003/debian-kde-200310/msg00029.html The Sid version is perfectly usable, with some annoyances. I would say thet in my case, with locally compiled kdebase, is almost unusable for non-english writers. So keep strictly on Sid. -- ricardo galli GPG id C8114D34 http://mnm.uib.es/~gallir/
Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?
--- Ricardo Galli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Saturday 04 October 2003 10:53, Paul Cupis shaped the electrons to > shout: > > > 2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to > > > imply that it is available. > > > > It is available. > > Which doesn't mean it's in a good status. But the opposite. Thanks Paul & Ricardo! :) Ricardo - You say that it is in "the opposite of good status". Do you mean: 1) That some extra steps beyond normal are required to _install_ it? (As Paul indicated.) Or, 2) That even when installed, using the extra steps, KDE on Debian (Sid) is not functioning properly? __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?
On Saturday 04 October 2003 10:53, Paul Cupis shaped the electrons to shout: > > 2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to > > imply that it is available. > > It is available. Which doesn't mean it's in a good status. But the opposite. -- ricardo galli GPG id C8114D34 http://mnm.uib.es/~gallir/
Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 04 October 2003 07:55, Hereon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to > imply that it is available. It is available. [snip] > On my pentium system w/ a minimal Sid + minimal gnome (gnome > installed cause kde wouldn't install) I get: > > # apt-get install kde-core > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have > requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable > distribution that some required packages have not yet been created > or been moved out of Incoming. > > Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely > that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against > that package should be filed. > The following information may help to resolve the situation: > > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > kde-core: Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed > E: Broken packages > > =Questions: > 1) Can I somehow get or force to get a minimal working KDE system on > my Sid now? Currently there is a little bug whre kdebase in sid is 'uninstallable'. To fix this, the wiki says: == (2003/09/01) ksysguardd (and therefore kdebase and therefore kde-core) is not installable in sid at the moment. This is due to libsensors-1debian1 not being in the archive any more (bug #210276) You will need to wait for a new kdebase to uploaded OR download this and install it using dpkg -i == Regards, Paul Cupis - -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAj9+irEACgkQIzuKV+SHX/mUTACcCGh3MpE1xa3Typ+vzOKR6yLC uQYAnRt0ZxuLLww6m6spajZIkfF49tVi =yvUS -END PGP SIGNATURE-
What's current status of KDE in Sid?
Looking at the debian kde wiki page, it's ambiguous what the status is. 1) There is no "status" indicator. 2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to imply that it is available. 3) An rc bug (qt-x11-free) is mentioned, but this doesn't necessarily imply that a kde _install_ would fail. 4) "latest info" indicates a 68k build problem, but, again, this doesn't necessarily imply that a kde install would fail (for my system: intel x86) >From the debian kde mailing list I see: Re: Big trouble with libqt3 From: Linus Gasser http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2003/debian-kde-200310/msg00019.html reading the rest of the list you can see that there are quite some troubles for now with kde in unstable. Personally I'm running kde on stable, and it works very well. On my pentium system w/ a minimal Sid + minimal gnome (gnome installed cause kde wouldn't install) I get: # apt-get install kde-core Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming. Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against that package should be filed. The following information may help to resolve the situation: The following packages have unmet dependencies: kde-core: Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages =Questions: 1) Can I somehow get or force to get a minimal working KDE system on my Sid now? 2) Perhaps by pinning or something & installing from testing, or stable? 3) If there's no way to get a minimal Sid install working right now, what is the eta for when KDE will be installable into Sid? (And, what are the major tasks needed for that to happen?) Thanks for all the great work! :) PS: Putting the ETA on the debian kde wiki would be a wonderful addition to that page! :) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com
