Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
On Sunday 24 May 2009 20:24:43 Alejandro Exojo wrote: > El Miércoles, 20 de Mayo de 2009, David Baron escribió: > > I am running Sid-installed kde4 and compiled kde3.5 with out a hitch. The > > appropriate startkde scripts set env variables and /etc/profile sets > > PATHs appropriately. > > Can you please give some information about how you did that? I know how to > compile from source to a safe directory (I prefer $HOME/local), and then I > can start apps and even the whole desktop, but only after manual tweaking > of environment variables. > > How do you do to start a KDE 3 session from KDE 4's kdm? > > Thanks. > > -- > Alex I modify the startkde script for the kde3 to set initial paths for the kde3 and also an environmental variable. Here is a snippet, placed after testing for preexisting session: # SET UP PATHS FOR KDE3.5: export KDEDIR=/opt/kde3.5 export QTDIR=$KDEDIR export PATH="/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/games" export PATH=$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/lib:/usr/lib:/usr/local/lib" export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$KDEDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 export DESKTOP_SESSION=kde3 The kde4 startke sets DESKTOP_SESSION=kde4 Something like this use to be there in the distributed version, a while back. /etc/profile tests that variable and sets paths accordingly so that kde3 binary and library paths are ahead of the normal ones. If this variable is not set, place them after the normal ones because I can still run many kde3 apps under kde4. Here is the profile snippet: if [ $DESKTOP_SESSION == "kde3" ]; then #echo "KDE3.5 Session" # SET UP PATHS FOR KDE3.5: export KDEDIR=/opt/kde3.5 export KDEDIRS=$KDEDIR export QTDIR=$KDEDIR export PATH=$KDEDIR/bin:$PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$KDEDIR/lib:$LD_LIBRARY_PATH export KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde3 else #echo "KDE4 Session" # SET UP PATHS FOR KDE4: export KDEDIR=/usr export KDEDIRS=$KDEDIR:/usr/local export QTDIR=/usr/lib/qt4 export PATH=$PATH:/opt/kde3.5/bin export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/kde4:/usr/local/lib/kde4:/opt/kde3.5/lib export KDEHOME=$HOME/.kde fi This is not perfect. If the DESKTOP_SESSION is not set at all, I get an error message from bash but it effects nothing. The session lists for kdm will contain .desktop entries for both kde versions calling the appropriate startkde so I simply choose from the usual dropdown menu. The relevant entries are "Name" and any translations you want and "Exec" and "TryExec" which point to the desired startkde. Voile. (Note that conforming to the packaged kde4 which now will use .kde, I moved the kde3 stuff to .kde3.) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
El Miércoles, 20 de Mayo de 2009, David Baron escribió: > I am running Sid-installed kde4 and compiled kde3.5 with out a hitch. The > appropriate startkde scripts set env variables and /etc/profile sets PATHs > appropriately. Can you please give some information about how you did that? I know how to compile from source to a safe directory (I prefer $HOME/local), and then I can start apps and even the whole desktop, but only after manual tweaking of environment variables. How do you do to start a KDE 3 session from KDE 4's kdm? Thanks. -- Alex -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
On Thursday 21. May 2009 23:38:17 Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Wednesday 20 May 2009 16:22:34 Mike Bird wrote: Hi, > > We can no longer run Testing anywhere. Eventually I expect we'll run > > into video driver problems on new hardware but thus far we've been OK > > with Lenny. > > Hopefully by then XFCE will be fully usable. It is well on the way. Nowhere > near as nice as KDE3.5, of course, but it has a huge head start on KDE4. From the day development versions of KDE 4 compiled, there were users complaining. Many of them tried to talk to the developers about what could be improved, many wrote bug reports, some even started contributing, adopted unmaintained software and some wrote rants about the way KDE 4 sucked in. All that is helpful in its own way. But there were also those who just told everyone that they will be switching to GNOME, XFCE, OS X, Vista, XP, Console, Abacus, whatever. I never understood the intention of the latter ones. It helps noone. That's what Twitter is for. I am only subscribed here for a few days but these days felt like planet.k.o or kde-de...@k.o about a year ago. If that is the usual chant here, then I apologize for disturbing the routine. Regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
On Wednesday 20 May 2009 16:22:34 Mike Bird wrote: > We can no longer run Testing anywhere. Eventually I expect we'll run > into video driver problems on new hardware but thus far we've been OK > with Lenny. Hopefully by then XFCE will be fully usable. It is well on the way. Nowhere near as nice as KDE3.5, of course, but it has a huge head start on KDE4. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
The most effective way would be to compile it. Then the kde3 stuff is in /usr/local or /opt or wherever you choose to put in but not in /usr. I am running Sid-installed kde4 and compiled kde3.5 with out a hitch. The appropriate startkde scripts set env variables and /etc/profile sets PATHs appropriately. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
On Wed May 20 2009 03:40:48 David wrote: > > That won't work anymore, KDE 4.2 is in testing. > > Thanks, noted. I'll probably downgrade my KDE package versions to > Lenny, but keep the rest on Sid, for as long as I can, and then either > downgrade everything to Lenny, try KDE 4.2 again (maybe I can get used > to it and work around all the problems I had with it when I tried > recently), or use a different window manager. For years we were using mostly Stable for servers and mostly Testing for workstations. We also had a few Fedora and Ubuntu. We've tried KDE 4 a few times over the last two years and every attempt has been a disaster - a disaster compounded by the excessively rosy claims from upstream. Sure KDE 4 is usable - in the same way that Windows 3.1 was usable - but users would kill me if we tried to make them use Windows 3.1 in 2009. We can no longer run Testing anywhere. Eventually I expect we'll run into video driver problems on new hardware but thus far we've been OK with Lenny. Thanks to the Debian KDE team for keeping KDE 3.5 in Lenny. KDE 3.5 may or may not ever see another bug fix, but it will be a long long time before KDE 4 catches up with KDE 3.5. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
> That won't work anymore, KDE 4.2 is in testing. > Thanks, noted. I'll probably downgrade my KDE package versions to Lenny, but keep the rest on Sid, for as long as I can, and then either downgrade everything to Lenny, try KDE 4.2 again (maybe I can get used to it and work around all the problems I had with it when I tried recently), or use a different window manager. > Just do not report bugs to Debian BTS about your system. Just to make it clear > again, you and whoever tries that are completely on their own. > Also noted, and I am aware of this. When I've reported other bugs (like VLC not working correctly on my system), I mention this, and try my best to make sure that there are no KDE-related dependencies involved with the problem. David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
Hello, On 2009 m. May 20 d., Wednesday 13:10:23 David wrote: > My solution, for keeping my machine on the latest Sid, except for KDE, > which stays on testing (for the moment), is to run a command like > this: > > sudo aptitude dist-upgrade $(cat dist_upgrade_vers.txt) > > Where dist_upgrade_vers.txt contains lines like this: > > akregator/testing > amor/testing > ark/testing > arts/testing > ... > > I generated that text file, by running and re-running 'aptitude > dist-upgrade', and then adding /testing (for KDE-related > packages), until aptitude finally reported that it was going to > upgrade everything to Sid, except for KDE packages. That won't work anymore, KDE 4.2 is in testing. > This probably isn't an ideal solution (KDE 3.5 will probably > eventually start breaking due to newer libs and so on), but for the > moment it seems to be working correctly, and I will probably need to > keep tweaking the text file as needed (and maybe even downgrade my > entire system to Lenny at some point). But, hopefully it will work > until KDE 4 reaches a point where I'm happy to switch over (maybe by > 4.5). Just do not report bugs to Debian BTS about your system. Just to make it clear again, you and whoever tries that are completely on their own. -- Modestas Vainius signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
How to keep KDE at 3.5 in Sid installations.
Hi, this has probably been discussed hundreds of times before, and everyone is tired of the arguments by now, but I thought I might be able to contribute something, for people who want to use Sid, but stay with KDE 3.5 My personal preference, is to run Debian Sid on my personal PCs, but not KDE 4.2. I like having cutting-edge versions of most programs, but not KDE 4.2 (unstable & crashy, and too many missing features that I use daily in 3.5). I researched pinning, but that looked like a real pain, for dozens of packages (just pinning kdelibs5 doesn't work for me, aptitude still goes mad). My solution, for keeping my machine on the latest Sid, except for KDE, which stays on testing (for the moment), is to run a command like this: sudo aptitude dist-upgrade $(cat dist_upgrade_vers.txt) Where dist_upgrade_vers.txt contains lines like this: akregator/testing amor/testing ark/testing arts/testing ... I generated that text file, by running and re-running 'aptitude dist-upgrade', and then adding /testing (for KDE-related packages), until aptitude finally reported that it was going to upgrade everything to Sid, except for KDE packages. This is basically a very ad-hoc, manual version of pinning, but it works better for me in the current situation. This probably isn't an ideal solution (KDE 3.5 will probably eventually start breaking due to newer libs and so on), but for the moment it seems to be working correctly, and I will probably need to keep tweaking the text file as needed (and maybe even downgrade my entire system to Lenny at some point). But, hopefully it will work until KDE 4 reaches a point where I'm happy to switch over (maybe by 4.5). David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
