Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
[Nicolai P Guba wrote in newsgate.debian.kde] Multiple versions of KDE can not be installed into the same hierarchy and this is not a limitation of Debian, it is a limitation of how KDE works. You can of course have one version in /usr and one somewhere else like /opt or /usr/local. Why is this a limitation of how KDE works. I don't understand. What would KDE have to do so that this is possible? It's down to where things get installed. 'kicker' (the panel), goes into /usr/bin in both kde 2 and kde 3. The majority of kde components will be like this. -- rob e [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp 0x8bb5c71e
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 03:34:56PM +, Rob Andrews wrote: [Nicolai P Guba wrote in newsgate.debian.kde] Multiple versions of KDE can not be installed into the same hierarchy and this is not a limitation of Debian, it is a limitation of how KDE works. You can of course have one version in /usr and one somewhere else like /opt or /usr/local. Why is this a limitation of how KDE works. I don't understand. What would KDE have to do so that this is possible? It's down to where things get installed. 'kicker' (the panel), goes into /usr/bin in both kde 2 and kde 3. The majority of kde components will be like this. I must have forgotten to respond to this thread. One of the major reasons is that some libs are dlopened which requires the .la files. Since the .la files are required you can not install different versions of the libraries. There are a few other reasons I have heard, but I do not remember what they are right now. Chris
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Nicolai P Guba wrote: This would not be that much of a problem if dpkg would support different install root directories, maybe something like dpkg --prefix=/opt/kde/3.0.2 -i ... Am I barfing up the wrong tree here? Such a feature would be _VERY appreciated. If you find out how to do that - please do post it. But I guess it's not as easy as that, it might need patching dpkg. If you want to go on such a quest then it'd be best to start at bugs.debian.org/dpkg. I'm certain there is allready such a wishlist. And then just go implementing it and begging on your knes the dpkg maintainers to apply your patch... This is all just guesswork. *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://sourcepole.ch Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, gerhard wrote: Is there a point to discuss the way how kde is packaged at this time? Or are we wrong with our thinking about that issue? If not: Is there someone who intend to work on that kind of packaging KDE? If so: Is the only way to do that, compile kde from the branch and using chroot (I don't know enough on these things, probably I'm wrong with my interjection). You can use pbuilder to have a separate building environment that doesn't interfere with yours. Im runing parts of kde3 from a user mode linux partition parallel to kde2. It works but it's ugly and a pain. *t Am Samstag, 27. Juli 2002 16:00 schrieb Nicolai P Guba: On Saturday 27 July 2002 2:17 pm, Gerhard Gaussling wrote: [...] is there anybody who is planning to work on an unofficial deb-package of KDE 3.1 that could be set to /opt or something similar, to avoid conflicts with KDE 2.x ? I heard about hours of compilingtime and other complications to compile kde from source. Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux Open Source Solutions http://sourcepole.ch Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
On Sunday 28 July 2002 12:09 pm, gerhard wrote:
Hi All,
Is there a point to discuss the way how kde is packaged at this
time? Or are we wrong with our thinking about that issue?
From my point of view it is never the wrong time thinking about how things
could be improved ;)
If not: Is there someone who intend to work on that kind of
packaging KDE?
Depends. Maybe this is more related to the packaging policy? There are quite
a few possible mechanisms that would support this kind of functionality. See
the various versions of gcc co-existing with each other. It's a lot of
patching and work prefixing each binary with the version number. Doing this
on a directory level is better from my point of view.
But maybe there is something more general about the Debian packaging policy
that needs discussing? Should such substantial projects like kde or gnome
(sorry if I missed out on _your_ project here ;) really be packaged in such a
rigid manner? Often one needs to go back a version, or use a different one
because a crucial feature has been broken in the new release. I've
encountered that scenario multiple fold.
In the particular case of kde3 (even if some parts are alpha) it would be very
useful if test packages could co-exist with the stable and well-tested
version. It would also (hopefully) reduce the risk of 3rd party packages
(like the unofficial debian kde3 debs) causing mayhem on the system.
I don't mind starting to work on this, but before I get my sleeves up I would
prefer having a good picture of all the issues.
It's encouraging to know that a feature such as --prefix to dpkg would be
appreciated... just not quite sure whether begging is my forte \grin{}
BTW I've got other gripes with dpkg. Like the abscence of indexes. Being
able to query which packages are in a logical group (ie dpkg -l -g editors,
listing all packages that belong to the editors group for eg). The current
partitioning scheme is way too general for the number of packages debian
handles nowadays. (Was ok in the early days).
Still, the debian packaging system is still the best around IMO.
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Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, Nicolai P Guba wrote:
It's encouraging to know that a feature such as --prefix to dpkg would be
appreciated... just not quite sure whether begging is my forte \grin{}
From what I know it takes long to get a feature into
(debian-base-infrastructure). Which is understandable. I suggest if want
to do it then go first to the relevant mailing list/maintainers and ask
around.
BTW I've got other gripes with dpkg. Like the abscence of indexes. Being
able to query which packages are in a logical group (ie dpkg -l -g editors,
listing all packages that belong to the editors group for eg). The current
partitioning scheme is way too general for the number of packages debian
handles nowadays. (Was ok in the early days).
afaik aptitude or one of the newer apt-frontends has this. It's an index
that's maintaned separately. Have not checked, just heard/read it.
*t
Tomas Pospisek
SourcePole - Linux Open Source Solutions
http://sourcepole.ch
Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland
Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11
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Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
Am Donnerstag, 25. Juli 2002 14:51 schrieb Nikita V. Youshchenko: [...] Seems that the only way to make KDE2 and KDE3 coexist is to compile one of them from source, with KDEDIR set to somewhere away from /usr. Hi, is there anybody who is planning to work on an unofficial deb-package of KDE 3.1 that could be set to /opt or something similar, to avoid conflicts with KDE 2.x ? I heard about hours of compilingtime and other complications to compile kde from source. TIA ciao gerhard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
Hi, I am running Debian unstable. Is it possible to install the KDE 3 packages mentioned in recent postings side by side with Debian's 2.2 packages? I noticed the instructions on calc.cx/kde.txt say that if you use APT, you must remove the KDE2 packages first. Does that mean that if you do not use APT to install KDE3 packages, you can keep the KDE2 packages around? Will this work? Thanks, Ashley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
Hi, I am running Debian unstable. Is it possible to install the KDE 3 packages mentioned in recent postings side by side with Debian's 2.2 packages? I noticed the instructions on calc.cx/kde.txt say that if you use APT, you must remove the KDE2 packages first. Does that mean that if you do not use APT to install KDE3 packages, you can keep the KDE2 packages around? Will this work? Seems that the only way to make KDE2 and KDE3 coexist is to compile one of them from source, with KDEDIR set to somewhere away from /usr. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
On Thu, Jul 25, 2002 at 09:33:02AM -0300, Ashley George wrote: Hi, I am running Debian unstable. Is it possible to install the KDE 3 packages mentioned in recent postings side by side with Debian's 2.2 packages? Multiple versions of KDE can not be installed into the same hierarchy and this is not a limitation of Debian, it is a limitation of how KDE works. You can of course have one version in /usr and one somewhere else like /opt or /usr/local. Chris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE3 and KDE2 side by side
Multiple versions of KDE can not be installed into the same hierarchy and this is not a limitation of Debian, it is a limitation of how KDE works. Could you please post more information on this ? I see kdeinit and dcopserver version conflict, but I believe it is not too hard to fix (e.g. in Debian patches), and the fix will be transparent for users. Possibly, KDEDIR setting may cause some problems ... but KDEDIR handling is located in a single place in kdecore, so this is easy to solve. I fail to see any other problems. Could you point to those ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
