Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[inkbottle]

On Friday, January 26, 2018 9:32:32 PM CET Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> inkbottle - 25.01.18, 14:32:
> > You might want to try that:
> > 
> > Open Konqueror
> > check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
> > Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
> > check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running
> 
> Depending on configuration I think that is intentional. As I think it can be
> told to keep processes for faster startup times. Yeah, you can find it in
> settings under performance (translated from german "Leistung").
> However…
> 
> > >From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I
> > >cannot
> > 
> > bring back Konqueror window.
> 
> this is a bug I can reproduce.
> 
> You can set there whether it shall keep a Konqueror process around in the
> background. When I disable this, the process gets closed. And then I can re-
> open a Konqueror again as well.
> 
> So or so this this appears to be an upstream issue for me, so… I kindly ask
> you to look in upstream bug tracker https://bugs.kde.org and report it there
> is not already done.

OK, I'll do some digging there.

As for a workaround, beside what you suggested, about allowing Konqueror to
keep running in the background or not;
There is this other workaround suggested few days ago by Nuno Oliveira,
consisting in calling Konqueror, eg. from command line, with an appended URL,
like this:
$ konqueror about:konqueror
$ konqueror somePath
$ konqueror someFile.pdf
I tested all 3 of them, and it works as expected.

Chris


> 
> > If I kill it, then I can have it again though.
> > 
> > I've got latest sid version I believe.
> > 
> > I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.
> > 
> > It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.
> 
> I had another issue I didn´t write about so far: With that performance
> setting in place (try to keep a Konqueror process in background) I had it
> that session management opened a Konqueror despite me having closed the
> last Konqueror window. I worked around this with a crude hack:
> 
> % cat .config/plasma-workspace/env/remove-konqueror-from-session.sh
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> rm /home/martin/.config/session/konqueror_*_*_*
> 
> I will remove this hack now, maybe the issue does not appear again after I
> told Konqueror not to keep a process around.
> 
> Thanks,

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Martin Steigerwald]

Hello.

inkbottle - 25.01.18, 14:32:
> You might want to try that:
> 
> Open Konqueror
> check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
> Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
> check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running

Depending on configuration I think that is intentional. As I think it can be 
told to keep processes for faster startup times. Yeah, you can find it in 
settings under performance (translated from german "Leistung"). 
However…

> >From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I cannot
> 
> bring back Konqueror window.

this is a bug I can reproduce.

You can set there whether it shall keep a Konqueror process around in the 
background. When I disable this, the process gets closed. And then I can re-
open a Konqueror again as well.

So or so this this appears to be an upstream issue for me, so… I kindly ask 
you to look in upstream bug tracker https://bugs.kde.org and report it there 
is not already done.

> If I kill it, then I can have it again though.
> 
> I've got latest sid version I believe.
> 
> I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.
> 
> It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.

I had another issue I didn´t write about so far: With that performance setting 
in place (try to keep a Konqueror process in background) I had it that session 
management opened a Konqueror despite me having closed the last Konqueror 
window. I worked around this with a crude hack:

% cat .config/plasma-workspace/env/remove-konqueror-from-session.sh 
#!/bin/bash

rm /home/martin/.config/session/konqueror_*_*_*

I will remove this hack now, maybe the issue does not appear again after I 
told Konqueror not to keep a process around.

Thanks,
-- 
Martin

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 01/25/2018 03:05 PM, Xavier Brochard wrote:

Le jeudi 25 janvier 2018, 23:33:57 CET Nuno Oliveira a �crit :

[ konqueror] I'm not sure if it is still (well) maintained or
will be migrated at all to Qt5.


Well Konqueror is more or less dead and should be soon replaced by Qupzilla as 
a KDE
project. QupZilla is incubating as a KDE project since August under the new 
"*Falkon"
*name
See https://community.kde.org/Incubator/Projects/Falkon
"During the Akademy 2017 Konqueror BoF, the ex-maintainer of Konqueror, David 
Faure,
proposed to integrate QupZilla into KDE in order to replace the aging 
Konqueror. (His
reasoning is that QupZilla is already much more advanced in terms of webbrowsing
features, and there is almost nobody working in Konqueror, so there is no point 
in
duplicating efforts). "

Regards
Xavier
We have some problems here, KDE Dolphin is using SUDO User so viewing 
root files and as user it's more difficult for making systemsettings5 
changes for root look and feel you need gksu to get oxygen icons in 
synaptic. With Konqueror you can still use SU and view root but not with 
Dolphin.  As for browsing the web with a KDE app I've never done that 
and never will. Konq is a simple file manager that I've used for 
something like 20 years or more, getting the filter bar was a nice add-on.


Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.11.4 - Intel Core i5-3320M - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Jimmy Johnson]

On 01/25/2018 05:32 AM, inkbottle wrote:

Hi,

You might want to try that:

Open Konqueror
check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running

From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I cannot 

bring back Konqueror window.

If I kill it, then I can have it again though.

I've got latest sid version I believe.

I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.

It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.

Chris


I've been seeing things too, but this Sid. So I switched to start with 
Empty Session and put what I want to start in Auto Start with no problem 
and I have now done this with all my systems.


Why you did not use KSysGuard to kill the app is beyond me.
--
Jimmy Johnson

Ubuntu 18.04 LTS - KDE Plasma 5.11.4 - Intel Core i5-3320M - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Luigi Toscano]

Il 26 gennaio 2018 10:39:29 CET, Samuel RIFFLE  ha 
scritto:
>Xavier:
>I strongly rely on Konqueor, as a file browser;
>Yes, the web part needs updated;
>
>Do you know if the current plan is to completely, eliminate the file
>browser functionality ?
>I would like to know if that functionality can be adopted, if necesary
>by
>myself and those with similar needs.

The file browsing functionality of Konqueror are provided (and have been 
provided for a long while) by Dolphin (namely Dolphin provides a component, the 
Dolphin KPart, which is used by Konqueror and potentially other KParts-based 
application).

Ciao

-- 
Luigi

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Xavier Brochard]

I'm not at all involved in this project, just following KDE anouncements. All 
the necessary contact are on the Incubator page. David Rosca is the main 
developer. He is the one to propose your help.

Regards
Xavier


Le vendredi 26 janvier 2018, 10:39:29 CET Samuel RIFFLE a écrit :
> Xavier:
> I strongly rely on Konqueor, as a file browser;
> Yes, the web part needs updated;
> 
> Do you know if the current plan is to completely, eliminate the file
> browser functionality ?
> I would like to know if that functionality can be adopted, if necesary by
> myself and those with similar needs.
> 
> Any referral, would be appreciated.
> I have been working on a project, which will not work, easily, with the
> default gnome file. browser.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ###  email.serif...@gmail.com  is for limited use only---
> #
> 
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Xavier Brochard 
> 
> wrote:
> > Le jeudi 25 janvier 2018, 23:33:57 CET Nuno Oliveira a écrit :
> > > [ konqueror] I'm not sure if it is still (well) maintained or
> > > 
> > > will be migrated at all to Qt5.
> > 
> > Well Konqueror is more or less dead and should be soon replaced by
> > Qupzilla as a KDE project. QupZilla is incubating as a KDE project since
> > August under the new "Falkon" name
> > 
> > See https://community.kde.org/Incubator/Projects/Falkon
> > 
> > "During the Akademy 2017 Konqueror BoF, the ex-maintainer of Konqueror,
> > David Faure, proposed to integrate QupZilla into KDE in order to replace
> > the aging Konqueror. (His reasoning is that QupZilla is already much more
> > advanced in terms of webbrowsing features, and there is almost nobody
> > working in Konqueror, so there is no point in duplicating efforts). "
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Xavier

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Samuel RIFFLE]

Xavier:
I strongly rely on Konqueor, as a file browser;
Yes, the web part needs updated;

Do you know if the current plan is to completely, eliminate the file
browser functionality ?
I would like to know if that functionality can be adopted, if necesary by
myself and those with similar needs.

Any referral, would be appreciated.
I have been working on a project, which will not work, easily, with the
default gnome file. browser.

Thanks

###  email.serif...@gmail.com  is for limited use only---
#

On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Xavier Brochard 
wrote:

> Le jeudi 25 janvier 2018, 23:33:57 CET Nuno Oliveira a écrit :
>
> > [ konqueror] I'm not sure if it is still (well) maintained or
>
> > will be migrated at all to Qt5.
>
>
>
> Well Konqueror is more or less dead and should be soon replaced by
> Qupzilla as a KDE project. QupZilla is incubating as a KDE project since
> August under the new "Falkon" name
>
> See https://community.kde.org/Incubator/Projects/Falkon
>
> "During the Akademy 2017 Konqueror BoF, the ex-maintainer of Konqueror,
> David Faure, proposed to integrate QupZilla into KDE in order to replace
> the aging Konqueror. (His reasoning is that QupZilla is already much more
> advanced in terms of webbrowsing features, and there is almost nobody
> working in Konqueror, so there is no point in duplicating efforts). "
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Xavier
>
>
>

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Xavier Brochard]

Le jeudi 25 janvier 2018, 23:33:57 CET Nuno Oliveira a écrit :
> [ konqueror] I'm not sure if it is still (well) maintained or 
> will be migrated at all to Qt5.

Well Konqueror is more or less dead and should be soon replaced by Qupzilla as 
a KDE 
project. QupZilla is incubating as a KDE project since August under the new 
"*Falkon" 
*name
See https://community.kde.org/Incubator/Projects/Falkon
"During the Akademy 2017 Konqueror BoF, the ex-maintainer of Konqueror, David 
Faure, 
proposed to integrate QupZilla into KDE in order to replace the aging 
Konqueror. (His 
reasoning is that QupZilla is already much more advanced in terms of 
webbrowsing 
features, and there is almost nobody working in Konqueror, so there is no point 
in 
duplicating efforts). "

Regards
Xavier

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Nuno Oliveira]

Hi again,

Apparently there are many different things and unexpected behaviours
in the current version of konqueror. For instance, if you open the
configuration menu several items / options seem to be missing from the
past version. I'm not sure if it is still (well) maintained or will be
migrated at all to Qt5.

Regards,

Nuno.

* inkbottle  [2018-01-25 22:28]:

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:50:08 PM CET Nuno Oliveira wrote:

Hi,

You might try

konqueror about:konqueror

or open anyother URL. I got the same behaviour.


OK, that works.

Should I make a bug report about that?
Or wait for 17.12?


Regards,

Nuno.

* inkbottle  [2018-01-25 13:32]:
>Hi,
>
>You might want to try that:
>
>Open Konqueror
>check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
>Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
>check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running
>
>>From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I
>>cannot
>
>bring back Konqueror window.
>
>If I kill it, then I can have it again though.
>
>I've got latest sid version I believe.
>
>I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.
>
>It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.
>
>Chris

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[inkbottle]

On Thursday, January 25, 2018 10:50:08 PM CET Nuno Oliveira wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You might try
> 
> konqueror about:konqueror
> 
> or open anyother URL. I got the same behaviour.

OK, that works.

Should I make a bug report about that?
Or wait for 17.12?
 
> Regards,
> 
> Nuno.
> 
> * inkbottle  [2018-01-25 13:32]:
> >Hi,
> >
> >You might want to try that:
> >
> >Open Konqueror
> >check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
> >Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
> >check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running
> >
> >>From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I
> >>cannot
> >
> >bring back Konqueror window.
> >
> >If I kill it, then I can have it again though.
> >
> >I've got latest sid version I believe.
> >
> >I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.
> >
> >It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.
> >
> >Chris

Re: Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[Nuno Oliveira]

Hi,

You might try

konqueror about:konqueror

or open anyother URL. I got the same behaviour.

Regards,

Nuno.

* inkbottle  [2018-01-25 13:32]:

Hi,

You might want to try that:

Open Konqueror
check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running


From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I cannot

bring back Konqueror window.

If I kill it, then I can have it again though.

I've got latest sid version I believe.

I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.

It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.

Chris

Konqueror is hidden and can't be brought back, but is still running after "Quit"

[inkbottle]

Hi,

You might want to try that:

Open Konqueror
check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror"
Go in Konqueror menu and do "quit"
check "ps -e|grep -i konqueror", for me it's still running

>From that point on, either from plasma menu, or from command line, I cannot 
bring back Konqueror window.

If I kill it, then I can have it again though.

I've got latest sid version I believe.

I haven't searched for upstream bug yet.

It seems it is reproducible for another user at least.

Chris