Re: Discussions with no sense
On 2009-04-13, Cassiano Leal cassianol...@gmail.com wrote: I might be able to help with that, if it means what I think it does -- getting debian bugs that are not packaging bugs and filing them upstream, is that it? Basically, yes. (or locate them in bugs.kde.org) And then set them to forwarded in the debian bug tracking system To mark a debian bug forwarded, send a mail to the control bot with the following content: forwarded n http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=m thanks with nnn being the debian bug number and being the kde bug number If that's the case, I would be more than happy to help, even though I don't have much spare time either. If a handful of people does this with a handful of bugs each week, it adds up quite fast. Also, I must have missed the e-mail with the graphs, as I have no idea what you're talking about, so if you could point me to them and also to some beginner tips, that would be great. http://users.alioth.debian.org/~pusling-guest/pkg-kde-buggraphs/ graphs http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/bugs.html /Sune I have said that many times before, but here goes again a huge thank you to all Debian/KDE devs (well, to all of Debian for what it's worth) -- you are doing a fantastic job! And that's from someone that has used slink, rex, bo, hamm and slink on and off, and that still have some potato and woody installer CDs lying around (if all that is worth anything!)! :D Cheers, Cassiano Leal --00221532ce1c0311e80467648505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable div class=3Dgmail_quoteOn Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Sune Vuorela s= pan dir=3Dltrlt;a href=3Dmailto:nos...@vuorela.dk;nos...@vuorela.dk= /agt;/span wrote:brblockquote class=3Dgmail_quote style=3Dborder-= left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left= : 1ex; div class=3DimOn 2009-04-09, Enzo lt;a href=3Dmailto:zca...@gmail.co= mzca...@gmail.com/agt; wrote:br gt; Thanks for the reply, Modestas. About the lack of manpower, how could = Ibr gt; contribute? I don#39;t have a lot of free time or big knowledge, but = surelybr gt; all starts from the beginning.br br /divThe current place, where help is most welcomed no matter skill level,= isbr helping with the bug load and get the bug count of non-forwarded bugs inbr= debian down.br br on the graphs I pointed earlier, getting the green and the red line tobr almost get to each other - and make it stay that way.br font color=3D#88br /Sunebr /font/blockquote/divbrHey, Sune!brbrI might be able to help wit= h that, if it means what I think it does -- getting debian bugs that are no= t packaging bugs and filing them upstream, is that it?brbrIf that#39;s= the case, I would be more than happy to help, even though I don#39;t have= much spare time either.br brAlso, I must have missed the e-mail with the graphs, as I have no idea = what you#39;re talking about, so if you could point me to them and also to= some beginner tips, that would be great.brbrI have said that many time= s before, but here goes again a huge thank you to all Debian/KDE devs (well= , to all of Debian for what it#39;s worth) -- you are doing a fantastic jo= b! And that#39;s from someone that has used slink, rex, bo, hamm and slink= on and off, and that still have some potato and woody installer CDs lying = around (if all that is worth anything!)! :Dbr brCheers,brCassiano Lealbr --00221532ce1c0311e80467648505-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Discussions with no sense
Sune Vuorela wrote, on 2009-04-13 20:08: On 2009-04-13, Cassiano Leal cassianol...@gmail.com wrote: I might be able to help with that, if it means what I think it does -- getting debian bugs that are not packaging bugs and filing them upstream, is that it? Basically, yes. (or locate them in bugs.kde.org) And then set them to forwarded in the debian bug tracking system To mark a debian bug forwarded, send a mail to the control bot with the following content: forwarded n http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=m thanks with nnn being the debian bug number and being the kde bug number If that's the case, I would be more than happy to help, even though I don't have much spare time either. If a handful of people does this with a handful of bugs each week, it adds up quite fast. So, the big all of Debian picture is that packages.debian.org / bugs.debian.org and reportbug need to give instructions on when and how to search for and if necessary report a bug upstream and how to indicate on the Debian bug tracker that the bug has been forwarded upstream? In the Debian-KDE case, if the instructions for reporting a kde-related bug provided when using reportbug or bugs.debian.org included how to search for a bug report and if necessary report a new bug at bugs.kde.org and how to mark the Debian-KDE bug as forwarded, then it would be easier for the average non-developer Debian user to do this. If the above suggestions should be reported as a bug (feature request or wish-list item) against bugs.debian.org, please let me know how I go about doing so using reportbug. Also, I must have missed the e-mail with the graphs, as I have no idea what you're talking about, so if you could point me to them and also to some beginner tips, that would be great. http://users.alioth.debian.org/~pusling-guest/pkg-kde-buggraphs/ graphs http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/bugs.html /Sune Arthur. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Discussions with no sense
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Sune Vuorela nos...@vuorela.dk wrote: On 2009-04-09, Enzo zca...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the reply, Modestas. About the lack of manpower, how could I contribute? I don't have a lot of free time or big knowledge, but surely all starts from the beginning. The current place, where help is most welcomed no matter skill level, is helping with the bug load and get the bug count of non-forwarded bugs in debian down. on the graphs I pointed earlier, getting the green and the red line to almost get to each other - and make it stay that way. /Sune Hey, Sune! I might be able to help with that, if it means what I think it does -- getting debian bugs that are not packaging bugs and filing them upstream, is that it? If that's the case, I would be more than happy to help, even though I don't have much spare time either. Also, I must have missed the e-mail with the graphs, as I have no idea what you're talking about, so if you could point me to them and also to some beginner tips, that would be great. I have said that many times before, but here goes again a huge thank you to all Debian/KDE devs (well, to all of Debian for what it's worth) -- you are doing a fantastic job! And that's from someone that has used slink, rex, bo, hamm and slink on and off, and that still have some potato and woody installer CDs lying around (if all that is worth anything!)! :D Cheers, Cassiano Leal
Re: Discussions with no sense
Hello, On 2009 m. April 9 d., Thursday 14:58:18 Enzo wrote: But is a little disappointing to see that the more long discussions have to be more with personal problems/opinions than with the software (like Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition or KDE 4.2 moving to unstable *this* week threads). The last few weeks were quite tense. Therefore discussions sometimes became quite offensive. Another reason is that they both were quite long overdue. For example, Debian KDE bug handling policy (it became such over time unwillingly and I don't see it changing due to the lack of manpower) has already been like this for the last couple of years (hence the number of bugs which has accumulated). However, it has simply never been official stated or explained anywhere. We know it might NOT be perfect or even good, however it is the best Debian Qt/KDE Team can do at the moment. I believe it is better for users to know that beforehand than get angry and annoyed because nobody cares about her/his bug report... And now here come people out of blue who say: If Debian can't shoulder the burden of maintaining KDE, they shouldn't be packaging it. That's harsh, disrespectful and quite insulting statement for both users and developers. Sometimes people forget that Debian is community/volunteer driven and we try to do our best. Suggestions about improvements are welcome, but demands are very impolite and unfair. It's always like that? Nop. I think it will get back to normal soon with another spike when KDE 4 migrates to testing. The users (like me) are always so hard to understand the point of view of the developers? I think most users understand perfectly. I think that we should just shut up some times and accept the opinion of people that knows things because it's doing it, and not because thinks that would be made in some way. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion. Thanks for all anyway, your help it's appreciated, and the results are wonderful. You are absolutely right. -- Modestas Vainius modes...@vainius.eu signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Discussions with no sense
Modestas Vainius escribió: Hello, On 2009 m. April 9 d., Thursday 14:58:18 Enzo wrote: But is a little disappointing to see that the more long discussions have to be more with personal problems/opinions than with the software (like Lancelot locks accessing NTFS partition or KDE 4.2 moving to unstable *this* week threads). The last few weeks were quite tense. Therefore discussions sometimes became quite offensive. Another reason is that they both were quite long overdue. For example, Debian KDE bug handling policy (it became such over time unwillingly and I don't see it changing due to the lack of manpower) has already been like this for the last couple of years (hence the number of bugs which has accumulated). However, it has simply never been official stated or explained anywhere. We know it might NOT be perfect or even good, however it is the best Debian Qt/KDE Team can do at the moment. I believe it is better for users to know that beforehand than get angry and annoyed because nobody cares about her/his bug report... And now here come people out of blue who say: If Debian can't shoulder the burden of maintaining KDE, they shouldn't be packaging it. That's harsh, disrespectful and quite insulting statement for both users and developers. Sometimes people forget that Debian is community/volunteer driven and we try to do our best. Suggestions about improvements are welcome, but demands are very impolite and unfair. It's always like that? Nop. I think it will get back to normal soon with another spike when KDE 4 migrates to testing. The users (like me) are always so hard to understand the point of view of the developers? I think most users understand perfectly. I think that we should just shut up some times and accept the opinion of people that knows things because it's doing it, and not because thinks that would be made in some way. Maybe I'm wrong, it's just my opinion. Thanks for all anyway, your help it's appreciated, and the results are wonderful. You are absolutely right. Thanks for the reply, Modestas. About the lack of manpower, how could I contribute? I don't have a lot of free time or big knowledge, but surely all starts from the beginning. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Discussions with no sense
On 2009-04-09, Enzo zca...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the reply, Modestas. About the lack of manpower, how could I contribute? I don't have a lot of free time or big knowledge, but surely all starts from the beginning. The current place, where help is most welcomed no matter skill level, is helping with the bug load and get the bug count of non-forwarded bugs in debian down. on the graphs I pointed earlier, getting the green and the red line to almost get to each other - and make it stay that way. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Discussions with no sense
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 08:58:18AM -0300, Enzo wrote: ... *this* week threads). It's always like that? 99% of the time, this is a nice list. I am myself surprised sometimes with the good ratio signal-noise. I chose this time ignore some mails and use my time in something better. Ana, who chose this time ignore some mails and use her time more productively than answering some people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
