Re: KDE for Etch (updates on the website)
Am Donnerstag 08 November 2007 schrieb Ana Guerrero: Hi, Hi Ana, After read the last thread I have added to the pkg-kde's website a brief howto about get KDE on Debian easily: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/installkdedebian.html Suggestions/patches/english fixes are welcome. I would mention Amarok as well in the following paragraph: You might want to install the KDE traslation to your language (kde-i18n-XX) and other KDE-related applications, such as k3b and k3b-i18n, katapult, digikam, koffice, kaffeine, adept, konversation, etc. Most of these programs are bundled in the kde-extras package. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
--- Henry keultjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. What makes you believe so? If non-techie Debian advocates like myself are to become more effective we absolute need a live Debian/KDE CD that is also HDD installable because that's the way to make converts. Henry Keultjes Mansfield Ohio USA just wondering what is wrong with the following from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ debian-40r1-i386-kde-CD-1.iso 19-Aug-2007 14:13 628M it should be what you are looking for jwlockhart this user is penguin powered __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Nate Bargmann was heard to say: Egad, I haven't touched dselect in *years*. Yeah, I get a lot of that :^) - -- Remember, remember, the 5th of November http://ronpaulgraphs.com/nov_5_extended_total.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzL8hy9Y35yItIgBAQL6TAf/ZYpWLvZZLqX55WDrSVuGvRyBHNMbJMdX D25TGml6ks0DPCq599PUOF4w1GU5EmpDXQR6Rk89zUrP9lN+gD7vHFXHx20M932z yFpr/T8rPw58XLXtwk+vLv5nS9hsXNryiT6VcVTllFDPFoMh8ZPb/bhyVExatRM6 YsAc6ozRGan3pe2hN3mUGjPi+UklI58b/T75dCNdE/tzuaQAO8BaddsIqM8NwEBQ 2ZcERp7KRVvLr8I+U/TrSObkQtHsADx6XqWqUcGZv/RxlP74BERVLbY09M5pwH45 r49bpAzHzDdYljrrSAgC3ibROIcBsF07IF7Ez+qWwVG/nPwJeqS42A== =KCKL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
* Tomas Nykung [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Nov 08 03:34 -0600]: Download the iso whose name ends with kde-CD-1.iso (or xfce-CD-1.iso if you want xfce installed by default) and install from that. (For the newcomers: you just need the first CD, the rest is automatically installed over the net, so no need to download all the 21 iso files :) That's good to know. I had bought DVD ISOs from a 3rd party and don't recall a choice of DE. Ordinarily I would have chosen Net install, but I was going to update some machines whose only access is dialup. Since they already had KDE installed, the upgrades went off without a hitch. - Nate -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation! http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Thursday 08 November 2007, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Thursday 08 November 2007, Nate Duehr wrote: I think there's more than ten options for desktop managers. Should it install them all? Well, as far as I understand, somebody wanted to have a desktop choice in the installer but not ask any further questions. If not asking any further questions is really important, then yes, it should install them all. No questions ask, nothing lost. I don't think it should install ANYTHING without asking the user what they want. Exactly! If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file bug reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. Why wait? Get it in the BTS now so someone has time to work on it, if you're passionate about it. I am pretty sure the d-i maintainer knows about the bug. Reporting it again is just a last resort in case he or she forgets about it and Lenny's installer wouldnot be fixed either. Usually grave bugs like this are fixed before anyway, DDs usually don't like to wait for the last possible moment. I don't think you can consider this a 'grave' bug (and I know the d-i people won't). This is a question of what the correct default is, it's not actually breakage - unless somebody gets on the case this issue is likely to linger. AFAIK space constraints on the install CD also make it more complicated than 'just install them all', though that probably is an option for the DVD images. -- Cheers, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 05:58:12PM -0500, Henry keultjes wrote: Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. What makes you believe so? If non-techie Debian advocates like myself are to become more effective we absolute need a live Debian/KDE CD that is also HDD installable because that's the way to make converts. In the case of the KDE4 liveCD, because it does not make any sense. This CD is made to allow people the possibility taking a look to KDE4 without mess with their systems. Ana -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 04:24:09PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. Don't you guys know that there are KDE and xfce versions of the first CD iso especially for those who wants to install KDE or xfce as the default instead of Gnome? Maybe those are not advertised as they should be, and therefore almost noone noticed that they exist? If you use those, then you don't need to do anything special when installing and you end up with a clean KDE environment automagically. Here, for example, is the i386 version: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/i386/iso-cd/ and here the amd64: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r1/amd64/iso-cd/ (You may want to download from a mirror server instead, check http://www.us.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ for a server near you.) Download the iso whose name ends with kde-CD-1.iso (or xfce-CD-1.iso if you want xfce installed by default) and install from that. (For the newcomers: you just need the first CD, the rest is automatically installed over the net, so no need to download all the 21 iso files :) I used the KDE version just a few weeks ago for a new install. Tomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 November 2007, Tomas Nykung was heard to say: Don't you guys know that there are KDE and xfce versions of the first CD iso especially for those who wants to install KDE or xfce as the default instead of Gnome? Correct on my part at least. One very good reason for not knowing is that the default install disk says nothing about Gnome. If it said -gnome-CD-1.iso the same way you've mentioned the -kde and -xfce disks, then it would be one more clue for those of us who need a clue. This doesn't help the netinstall disk, unfortunately. But the NetInstall disk doesn't suffer from the fault that I was told was the reason for the Gnome/Kde/Xfce install CDs: Lack of space for all on one CD. So the netinstall version of tasksel could very well have 10 different options for desktop and get along perfectly well. Maybe those are not advertised as they should be, and therefore almost noone noticed that they exist? Yep. And also that tasksel doesn't mention Gnome. It's nice to have a fast default, but it would be nice to know what that default is ahead of time. Curt- - -- November 5th, 2007 All for someone who promises nothing more than to leave people alone. http://ronpaulgraphs.com/nov_5_extended_total.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzMJzC9Y35yItIgBAQJ3wAf/cAs7jKYUTN1GnGlSNoS1UwpiksHGp6C5 EaTKpKMIxIoYQSNrx712ju6+eH3GMHfYpIZWB2Pm968cjPQNP4AVe2g3LLtivGMc Q0+zHkJ+WGy7XDMWe5FEi+Tk/iPETkgAyuPnFuSXIPMbCfLsamSRKrkKD7Odmzl1 oooXv7nbxmT+vA0a0OraREPdfynujh4nUXdxQhTg6iaiBnTRvdxLcdscnGoGFu6j e2dwfCfeMkVUTukaBfJj3b4No6Tw+/nOOjPMqLeunjbrZt6ypUcZQYT8k2+fRH1p BV6SvpVItMfhkm7rESyi/AAUgl4kTIm3/JOYPXH/CX6AOH95w2mEAA== =tDoE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 08 November 2007, Nate Bargmann was heard to say: I had bought DVD ISOs from a 3rd party and don't recall a choice of DE. When I first asked about this, the reasoning for putting Gnome and Kde on different CDs was because they each were too big to put on the same CD. This is not true of the DVD. But this means that there is even less of a hint what desktop is going to be installed when desktop is selected. At the same time, there is less excuse for not putting additional options into tasksel. It all comes down to the use of the word desktop without any indication of what that desktop it is. If I could wave my magic wand, the CD would be -gnome instead of nothing, to match the other CDs, and the DVD would have at least desktop-Gnome, desktop-Kde and desktop-minimal. But oh well, I'm not a developer. Just a user. And a nearly 100% satisfied one at that. Maybe that's what makes this invisible default so frustrating, Debian is so very good in most other ways. Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzMNVS9Y35yItIgBAQIjcAf9HodcXZdh+shEAmy7/+3P0nMUSPtMg8O+ EsI8cVcfl9C/KqpSMS5kXE+nemRantaaW23PY5W7Go2pF93UfTE1WRGXcwCGPRRG Ekz2V5/xVAKiApVLL3y1NaQW0v7aLlM2NTD9NeWKlPx+CMu6/2oHDQZ7UDtMg6T8 LmqT7a6DnXBpqhQ0RIEwiE23HV9pYRBH1M6mNybcOZWbNMCQdqveNaL4MkpTdAX2 760Ck5g7H9iye19C3lOWriwCG4u83vUO+8mnTcoHDts5jG/JXFPs2ge4N92YP/sf c+ft2QNbrV+TZ5xP8uLuNYAu+Mm/xvnkN4O1uohByzuw84qRlDfBBQ== =HlwF -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Thursday 08 November 2007, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote: I don't think you can consider this a 'grave' bug (and I know the d-i people won't). This is a question of what the correct default is, it's not actually breakage - unless somebody gets on the case this issue is likely to linger. Well, it is missing the necessary desktop selection all previous installers provided. I consider such a regression a grave bug. Currently it is not possible to do a Debian desktop installation, despite the installer suggesting it can. AFAIK space constraints on the install CD also make it more complicated than 'just install them all', though that probably is an option for the DVD images. Installing them all would only be a workaround for the missing installer option. Obviously this would not be a real fix, but still better than installing Debian on a new machine and not getting into your desktop despite telling the installer you wanted it. Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 01:41:06PM +0100, Kevin Krammer wrote: Good to know. But why did they decide to no longer make GNOME installable at all? At least I can't see any gnome-CD-1.iso there, weird. The standard 1:st CD iso named debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso (i386) or debian-40r1-amd64-CD-1.iso (amd64) is the one that installs Gnome by default AFAIK. Why there is no gnome in the name of that iso is somthing I've never thought about before, but I do realize that it's quite confusing :) Tomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Thursday 08 November 2007, Tomas Nykung wrote: On Thu, Nov 08, 2007 at 01:41:06PM +0100, Kevin Krammer wrote: Good to know. But why did they decide to no longer make GNOME installable at all? At least I can't see any gnome-CD-1.iso there, weird. The standard 1:st CD iso named debian-40r1-i386-CD-1.iso (i386) or debian-40r1-amd64-CD-1.iso (amd64) is the one that installs Gnome by default AFAIK. Hmm, could be. I would have expected this CD to ask which desktop to install, e.g. also allowing to install just one of the extended window managers like IceWM or enlightment. Why there is no gnome in the name of that iso is somthing I've never thought about before, but I do realize that it's quite confusing :) Lets hope this gets fixed soon. The current situation is rather awkward. Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch (updates on the website)
* Ana Guerrero [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Nov 08 07:10 -0600]: Hi, After read the last thread I have added to the pkg-kde's website a brief howto about get KDE on Debian easily: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/installkdedebian.html Suggestions/patches/english fixes are welcome. That looks very good, Ana. The only downside I see is that the page may not be easy to find, There is mention of the boot option in the Installation Manual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-install-software which I, of course, don't bother to look at since I've been using Debian for 8+ years. :-) However, having to perform the procedure on the page linked above really makes it seem like KDE is a second class citizen (I don't want to start or further a flame warm, it's just an observation). For as good as the Etch installer is, when it gets to the taskselect stage, not having a choice of desktop-kde, desktop-gnome (default), desktop-xfce, etc. seems like quite an oversight. We try to put all the information related to KDE on Debian there, but there is stuff we procrastinate to publish... Thanks for the work the KDE team does. I, for one, really appreciate it. - Nate -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation! http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: KDE for Etch
Thanks, everyone. I have my answer. -Original Message- From: Ana Guerrero [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:55 AM To: Philip Joslin - C10554 Cc: debian-kde@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: KDE for Etch On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:56:58AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!! You have Etch available with KDE 3.5.5 and you can install 3.5.7 from backports.org Ana
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wed, Nov 07, 2007 at 10:56:58AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!! You have Etch available with KDE 3.5.5 and you can install 3.5.7 from backports.org Ana -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Jan De Luyck was heard to say: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!! What KDE do you mean? In discussion with Philip, it's clear that he installed the default GUI, which is GNOME, and didn't realize that anything and everything else is available just an apt-get away. Maybe someone more versed in Aptitude or Synaptic could help him, I'm rather too wedded to dselect to be any good to an honest-to-goodness newbe any more. :^) Curt- - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzIYrC9Y35yItIgBAQJQ3Qf+LeYhopRLwP/PHZZDqkZPXfODYRwFoF5y rNypY2GtmWP80Tc+9yNTNWiroijl3pPoQ0p3gtakGSQufxcKYajvo01yAZzrQuEV Gd6xUcHoD1KceEvtQRBpY+tPpnKuUuQPl6geogl3pAK8XGuauCJDOa3rqurzZ6wM U3q0IG2sHNo2DlT8hIB93gsPbsl9Z1UTC2xqoDcg799EenVVIT2NqTNurzxhYzN5 ut2J5P9GPZXSxDay1tU34rvULWKZsEa8lx6NwoDen8gi43vdknKfBUVOQLLUo6uW /BfDzbp8b+T5m7XsDJrAJbG2aawjCncS9It368JjB/rbtOTYKkQXrA== =x9mO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!! What KDE do you mean? Etch comes with a KDE version (no idea which). -- modem, adj.: Up-to-date, new-fangled, as in Thoroughly Modem Millie. An unfortunate byproduct of kerning. [That's sic!] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!! What KDE do you mean? Etch comes with a KDE version (no idea which). 'apt-get install kdm kde koffice' See also add this to /etc/apt/sources.list after installing KDE... deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/emiscabpo/kde358-bpo ./ http://emiscabpo.wordpress.com/2007/10/23/kde-358-backports-are-online-d/ -- Richard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 20:57, Curt Howland wrote: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Jan De Luyck was heard to say: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you currently working on KDE for Debian Etch? And if so, when will that be available? Thanks!! What KDE do you mean? In discussion with Philip, it's clear that he installed the default GUI, which is GNOME, and didn't realize that anything and everything else is available just an apt-get away. Maybe someone more versed in Aptitude or Synaptic could help him, I'm rather too wedded to dselect to be any good to an honest-to-goodness newbe any more. :^) Curt- If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. - -- September 11th, 2001 The proudest day for gun control and central planning advocates in American history -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBRzIs+S9Y35yItIgBAQLmmAf+Pe57K9Xj4MR+WLkoLUscsAFD+VwWaOpu ZHi++j8Qm1ECpvNNWUdPyn/PYTMaiNKHERWaLkE6JCVTYi4U3ww5Z5VzVHbE35lY iUHKgqdtcY6MDuxQ+UyVKPZ6pHf7DNL3kM1nmEtzyN/1XheaASNWfI0FiRpWuPDw YNQZYVWG4mpiH4bKFFvyq1FiVdwOxrFeWgdUyA5jTH7f4AF3bAOegzzHKDkww0zx K7gc28/X2FGiko8xXBRS2lxgOgoZTiEW0EYDjHOMphx/ohYIe5EGq7iTnDt2uG8H mlI9oa2IhA0eXdan++W15N1comv1sw07QW4b7OaIm3pmt8pPUrHM0g== =gABT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
* Curt Howland [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007 Nov 07 15:25 -0600]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. That was the only thing I groused about when Etch was released as I did a couple of practice installations. The consensus over on Debian-User seemed to be that no real problem exists since a working (open to interpretation, I guess) GUI was installed. Installing KDE was easy enough for me since I'm quite familiar with Aptitude. Ridding the system of GNOME to recover space was not so easily accomplished. The argument went that *something* had to be the default and since Debian had committed to GNOME years back, it was the default. Others cited confusion on the part of a newbie presented with a choice. Yeah, right. Newbie selects Debian out of a few hundred distros and only *then* during installation is confused by a choice? :-D I guess the standard answer is to file a bug report. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. Egad, I haven't touched dselect in *years*. I use Aptitude in interactive mode (which I gather a lot of other people don't do since I see references to its commandline invocations). - Nate -- Wireless | Amateur Radio Station N0NB | Successfully Microsoft Amateur radio exams; ham radio; Linux info @ | free since January 1998. http://www.qsl.net/n0nb/ | Debian, the choice of My Kawasaki KZ-650 SR @| a GNU generation! http://www.networksplus.net/n0nb/ | http://www.debian.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On 2007-11-07, Curt Howland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. Try download the kde install cd from your favourite debian mirror. /Sune -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Nov 7, 2007, at 3:58 PM, Henry keultjes wrote: Sune Vuorela wrote: On 2007-11-07, Henry keultjes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Curt Howland wrote: It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. Until tasksel has desktop-Gnome and desktop-KDE as separate options, I will be stuck with seeminglt endless dselect sessions. That will be resolved if this http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4livecd.html becomes HDD installable as I have requested. I don't think there will be any progress on this. What makes you believe so? If non-techie Debian advocates like myself are to become more effective we absolute need a live Debian/ KDE CD that is also HDD installable because that's the way to make converts. History has shown that what you need and what the Debian hive-mind of developers want to do, are often two very different things. :-) Luckily, sometimes that is NOT the case. But in the case of Gnome vs KDE... I doubt the Debian developers can come to any reasonable consensus. You can follow the fun on debian-devel and search the archives if you're REALLY bored. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Curt Howland wrote: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. I still consider this a grave bug in the Debian installer. It either should install most popular desktops together when the desktop task is selected, or install a lightweight one like XFCE if space/download time is a consideration. Actually I'd expect an installer of a neutral distribution like Debian to ask. If OpenSUSE can do it, Debian should also be able to. Therefore is a bug or oversight in the Etch installer. If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file bug reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. Cheers, Kevin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
On Nov 7, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Kevin Krammer wrote: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Curt Howland wrote: On Wednesday 07 November 2007, Thierry Chatelet was heard to say: If it's a new install he could re-install going to expert with the following: expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop he then will have an install with only KDE. If he doesn't want to re-install he can run: tasksel install kde-destop Thierry It's too bad that the option to install KDE is so far back from the point of obvious choice, and that the only place I've seen the expert tasks=standard, kde-desktop is in posts telling me, now Philip, what we should have done. I still consider this a grave bug in the Debian installer. It either should install most popular desktops together when the desktop task is selected, or install a lightweight one like XFCE if space/ download time is a consideration. I think there's more than ten options for desktop managers. Should it install them all? I don't think it should install ANYTHING without asking the user what they want. Actually I'd expect an installer of a neutral distribution like Debian to ask. If OpenSUSE can do it, Debian should also be able to. Therefore is a bug or oversight in the Etch installer. Yep, asking is best. If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file bug reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. Why wait? Get it in the BTS now so someone has time to work on it, if you're passionate about it. -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE for Etch
On Thursday 08 November 2007, Nate Duehr wrote: I think there's more than ten options for desktop managers. Should it install them all? Well, as far as I understand, somebody wanted to have a desktop choice in the installer but not ask any further questions. If not asking any further questions is really important, then yes, it should install them all. No questions ask, nothing lost. I don't think it should install ANYTHING without asking the user what they want. Exactly! If this isn't fixed in one of the Etch updates, I recommend to file bug reports for the Debian installer when Lenny gets into feature freeze. Why wait? Get it in the BTS now so someone has time to work on it, if you're passionate about it. I am pretty sure the d-i maintainer knows about the bug. Reporting it again is just a last resort in case he or she forgets about it and Lenny's installer wouldnot be fixed either. Usually grave bugs like this are fixed before anyway, DDs usually don't like to wait for the last possible moment. Cheers, Kevin -- Kevin Krammer, KDE developer, xdg-utils developer KDE user support, developer mentoring signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: KDE for Etch
On Nov 7, 2007, at 7:22 PM, Henry keultjes wrote: Nate Duehr wrote: History has shown that what you need and what the Debian hive- mind of developers want to do, are often two very different things. :-) Luckily, sometimes that is NOT the case. But in the case of Gnome vs KDE... I doubt the Debian developers can come to any reasonable consensus. You can follow the fun on debian-devel and search the archives if you're REALLY bored. This http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/4.0_r0-rc1/i386/iso-cd/ link seems to be ample proof that Debian is just as interested in KDE as in Gnome so adding HDD install benefits Debian with whatever the desktop is. So why not help us out, take advantage of the GPL and take the code for the HDD install from SuSE's new live CD? You asking me? I'm not a Debian developer. Or are you just asking the group at large, hoping a dev is listening? -- Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kde 3.5.8 Etch unofficial backports
Emilio I tried to follow backports.org guidelines. Please tell me if there are problems, or the repository don't work as expected. Use these packages with caution, for now, these are packages I tested only on my machines. Dropped this into my workstation. So far I haven't found any problems. I'll let you know if I find any. thanks -- Richard www.sheflug.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: KDE 3.5.6/Etch Screen Lock bug
Am Freitag 29 Juni 2007 22:36 schrieb Richard Ibbotson: Don't know if this is the right place to send this but thought I might try anyway. After installing Etch with Gnome and KDE I find that my screen lock has stopped working. Doesn't lock any more. I click on Lock Session in the bottom left hand corner of the screen/Kmenu and nothing happens. Tried a Google search for more info but can't find anything. Can anyone suggest how to fix this ? Open a shell and run kdesktop_lock and see if any errors pop up. HS -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
