Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
El Martes, 23 de Septiembre de 2008, Mike Bird escribió: See below for my Lenny KDE packages. What differences do you see between this and the systems where you tested ktorrent 3 with Lenny's KDE 3? Is it possible that ktorrent 3 does not work with KDE 3? It _does_ work, and as said in the thread, should work perfectly. Try installing debsums and run it against the KDE 4 packages. Just in case, make sure you don't have any package without dependencies solved. You must have a ~/.kde4, because KTorrent stores there important information about the torrents in progress. If you don't have one, try reinstalling as Modestas said. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Wed September 24 2008 04:48:36 Alejandro Exojo wrote: El Martes, 23 de Septiembre de 2008, Mike Bird escribió: See below for my Lenny KDE packages. What differences do you see between this and the systems where you tested ktorrent 3 with Lenny's KDE 3? Is it possible that ktorrent 3 does not work with KDE 3? It _does_ work, and as said in the thread, should work perfectly. Please post your dpkg -l | grep kde from a working Lenny KDE 3. I've already posted mine[1]. Thus far people asserting that it works have actually been running KDE 4 and/or Sid. The question is whether Lenny's default ktorrent 3 works with Lenny's default KDE 3.5.9 using only the parts of Lenny's KDE 4 brought in by ktorrent 3's dependencies. Try installing debsums and run it against the KDE 4 packages. I already have debsums installs. No problems related to KDE or anything remotely close to KDE. I've appended the output to this message. As noted in the thread, I have removed/purged ktorrent 3 and its KDE 4 dependencies using dpkg, run ktorrent2.2 successfully for some days, and reinstalled ktorrent 3. No change. FWIW, my ktorrent2.2 is currently removed (deinstall ok config-files) not purged, so I can return to a working configuration. Just in case, make sure you don't have any package without dependencies solved. No missing dependencies (apt-get --dry-run -f install). You must have a ~/.kde4, because KTorrent stores there important information about the torrents in progress. If you don't have one, try reinstalling as Modestas said. Modestas indicated that kbuildsycoca4 perhaps with --noincremental should create ~/.kde4. It does not. What should create ~/.kde4? Why is it not included in ktorrent 3 dependencies? If I mkdir ~/.kde4 and then run kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental nothing is placed in ~/.kde4. I have previously posted my kbuildsycoca4 output[2]. What more is needed to diagnose why kbuildsycoca4 is not putting anything in ~/.kde4. FWIW, running ktorrent itself does not put anything in ~/.kde4 either. Nothing is scanning /usr/lib/kde4 for the plugins. What should be scanning /usr/lib/kde4? Why is it not included in ktorrent 3 dependencies? ktorrent 3 is unable to start service 'khelpcenter'. Does ktorrent 3 work with khelpcenter 4:4.0.0.really.3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 or does it need khelpcenter4, and if so why is it not a dependency? ktorrent 3 under KDE 3.5.9 is really ugly, and the fonts are not anti-aliased. Is there any way to fix this without installing KDE 4? Thanks, --Mike Bird [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2008/09/msg00085.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2008/09/msg00081.html # debsums -ca debsums: can't open acpi-support file /etc/modprobe.d/thinkpad_acpi.modprobe (No such file or directory) debsums: no md5sums for at /etc/bind/named.conf.options /etc/bind/named.conf.local debsums: no md5sums for binutils debsums: no md5sums for bzip2 /etc/console-tools/config debsums: no md5sums for debian-archive-keyring debsums: no md5sums for debian-multimedia-keyring /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf debsums: no md5sums for doc-debian debsums: no md5sums for ed debsums: no md5sums for emacsen-common debsums: no md5sums for g++ debsums: no md5sums for initscripts debsums: no md5sums for java-gcj-compat debsums: no md5sums for klogd debsums: no md5sums for libaudio2 debsums: no md5sums for libbz2-1.0 debsums: no md5sums for libbz2-dev debsums: no md5sums for libdb4.2 debsums: no md5sums for libdb4.5 debsums: no md5sums for liblockfile1 debsums: no md5sums for libncurses5 debsums: no md5sums for libncursesw5 /etc/security/limits.conf debsums: no md5sums for libxine1 debsums: no md5sums for lockfile-progs debsums: no md5sums for mawk debsums: no md5sums for ncurses-base debsums: no md5sums for ncurses-bin debsums: no md5sums for ncurses-term /etc/nessus/nessusd.conf debsums: no md5sums for netbase /etc/quagga/daemons debsums: no md5sums for slib debsums: no md5sums for sysklogd debsums: no md5sums for sysv-rc debsums: no md5sums for sysvinit debsums: no md5sums for sysvinit-utils debsums: no md5sums for update-inetd # -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
Mike Bird wrote:
On Wed September 24 2008 04:48:36 Alejandro Exojo wrote:
El Martes, 23 de Septiembre de 2008, Mike Bird escribió:
See below for my Lenny KDE packages. What differences do you see
between this and the systems where you tested ktorrent 3 with Lenny's
KDE 3? Is it possible that ktorrent 3 does not work with KDE 3?
It _does_ work, and as said in the thread, should work perfectly.
Please post your dpkg -l | grep kde from a working Lenny KDE 3.
I've already posted mine[1].
Thus far people asserting that it works have actually been running KDE 4
and/or Sid. The question is whether Lenny's default ktorrent 3 works
with Lenny's default KDE 3.5.9 using only the parts of Lenny's KDE 4
brought in by ktorrent 3's dependencies.
Hi Mike,
I've been running a pure KDE3 up until now and got curious. Pretty
standard, nothing special
This is what I got when installing ktorrent:
The following NEW packages will be installed:
kde-icons-oxygen{a} kdebase-runtime{a} kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4{a}
kdebase-runtime-data{a} kdelibs-bin{a} kdelibs5{a}
kdelibs5-data{a} ktorrent libphonon4{a} libqca2{a} libsoprano4{a}
libstreamanalyzer0{a} libstreams0{a} libstrigiqtdbusclient0{a}
phonon{a} phonon-backend-xine{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
kdebase-bin-kde3{a}
Running ktorrent after that worked perfectly fine.
I can only suggest what others have already said, that you'll probably
have a misconfigured system.
Cheers,
Michael
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Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Wed September 24 2008 10:18:21 Michael Biebl wrote: I can only suggest what others have already said, that you'll probably have a misconfigured system. Please post your dpkg -l | grep kde. Thanks, --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
Mike Bird wrote: On Wed September 24 2008 10:18:21 Michael Biebl wrote: I can only suggest what others have already said, that you'll probably have a misconfigured system. Please post your dpkg -l | grep kde. Nothing fancy. This is *after* installing ktorrent pluto:~# dpkg -l | grep kde ii kde-core 5:48 the K Desktop Environment core modules ii kde-i18n-de4:3.5.10-1German (de) internationalized (i18n) files for KDE ii kde-icons-nuovext 1.6.dfsg.1-3 nuoveXT icon theme for KDE ii kde-icons-nuvola 1.0.0-3 Nuvola icon theme for KDE3 ii kde-icons-oxygen 4:4.1.0-2 Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4 ii kde-style-polyester1.0.3-1 Polyester widget style and kwin decoration for KDE3 ii kdeaddons-kfile-plugins4:3.5.9-2 KDE file dialog plugins for text files and folders ii kdeartwork-emoticons 4:3.5.9-3 emoticon collections for KDE chat clients ii kdeartwork-misc4:3.5.9-3 various multimedia goodies released with KDE ii kdeartwork-style 4:3.5.9-3 widget styles released with KDE ii kdebase4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 base components from the official KDE release ii kdebase-bin4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 core binaries for the KDE base module ii kdebase-data 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 shared data files for the KDE base module ii kdebase-kio-plugins4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 core I/O slaves for KDE ii kdebase-runtime4:4.1.0-2 runtime components from the official KDE 4 release ii kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 4:4.1.0-2 core binaries for the KDE 4 base runtime module ii kdebase-runtime-data 4:4.1.0-2 shared data files for the KDE 4 base runtime module ii kdebluetooth 1.0~beta8-5 KDE Bluetooth Framework ii kdeeject 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 script used by KDE to eject removable media ii kdegraphics-kfile-plugins 4:3.5.9-3 KDE metainfo plugins for graphic files ii kdelibs4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 core libraries from the official KDE release ii kdelibs-bin4:4.1.0-3 executables for all KDE 4 core applications ii kdelibs-data 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 core shared data for all KDE applications ii kdelibs4-dev 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 development files for the KDE core libraries ii kdelibs4c2a4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 core libraries and binaries for all KDE applications ii kdelibs5 4:4.1.0-3 core libraries for all KDE 4 applications ii kdelibs5-data 4:4.1.0-3 core shared data for all KDE 4 applications ii kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins4:3.5.9-3 au/avi/m3u/mp3/ogg/wav plugins for kfile ii kdemultimedia-kio-plugins 4:3.5.9-3 enables the browsing of audio CDs under Konqueror ii kdepasswd 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 password changer for KDE ii kdepim-kfile-plugins 4:3.5.9-5 KDE File dialog plugins for palm and vcf files ii kdepim-kio-plugins 4:3.5.9-5 KDE pim I/O Slaves ii kdepim-kresources 4:3.5.9-5 KDE pim resource plugins ii kdeprint 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 print system for KDE ii kdesdk-kfile-plugins 4:3.5.9-2 KDE file dialog plugins for software development files ii kdesdk-scripts 4:3.5.9-2 a set of useful development scripts for KDE ii kdesktop 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 miscellaneous binaries and files for the KDE desktop ii kdesvn 1.0.2-1 subversion client with tight KDE integration ii kdesvn-kio-plugins 1.0.2-1 subversion I/O slaves for KDE ii kdevelop 4:3.5.2-1 An IDE for Unix/X11 ii kdevelop-data 4:3.5.2-1 An IDE for Unix/X11 - data ii kdevelop-doc
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny? SOLVED
Found and removed some old KDE4-related garbage in /usr/local. My fault, not Debian. Many thanks to everyone who answered my dumb questions. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
Hi, antradienis 23 Rugsėjis 2008, Mike Bird rašė: My ktorrent / Settings / Configure ktorrent / Plugins list is empty. How about yours? Neither starting ktorrent nor accessing the plugins list causes the plugins to be accessed (as shown by ls -ul /usr/lib/kde4). What happens on yours? Run $ kbuildsycoca4 -- Modestas Vainius [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Tue September 23 2008 08:22:38 Modestas Vainius wrote: antradienis 23 Rugsėjis 2008, Mike Bird rašė: My ktorrent / Settings / Configure ktorrent / Plugins list is empty. How about yours? Neither starting ktorrent nor accessing the plugins list causes the plugins to be accessed (as shown by ls -ul /usr/lib/kde4). What happens on yours? Run $ kbuildsycoca4 No stdout output. See below for stderr output. Does not alter access time (neither ls -udl nor ls -ul) of /usr/lib/kde4. Does not cause ktorrent 3 plugins to appear. --Mike Bird kbuildsycoca4 running... kbuildsycoca4(4992)/kdecore (KSycoca) KSycocaPrivate::openDatabase: Trying to open ksycoca from /var/tmp/kdecache-mgb/ksycoca4 kbuildsycoca4(4992) kdemain: Reusing existing ksycoca kbuildsycoca4(4992) KBuildSycoca::recreate: Recreating ksycoca file (/var/tmp/kdecache-mgb/ksycoca4, version 116) kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadDoc: Parse error in /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/xdg-desktop-menu-dummy.menu , line 1 , col 1 : unexpected end of file kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs-LEI.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs-PC-Rail Simulations.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs-SimSig.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs-Sierra-Empire Earth II.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs-PC-Rail Simulations-Resources-Diagnostics.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /store/home/mgb/.config/menus/applications-merged/wine-Programs-PC-Rail Simulations-Resources-Uninstall.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-multimedia-music.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-settings.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-information.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) foldNode: Directory and kde-information.directory requires combining! kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::mergeFile: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /etc/xdg/menus/kde-screensavers.menu kbuildsycoca4(4992) foldNode: Directory and kde-system-screensavers.directory requires combining! kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::pushDocInfo: Menu applications-kmenuedit.menu not found. kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::processMenu: Processing KDE Legacy dirs for KDE kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::processKDELegacyDirs: processKDELegacyDirs() kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /usr/share/applications/ kbuildsycoca4(4992)/kdecore (KService) KServicePrivate::init: The desktop entry file /usr/share/applications/gnome-screensaver-properties.desktop has Type= Application but no Exec line kbuildsycoca4(4992)/kdecore (KService) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service : /usr/share/applications/gnome-screensaver-properties.desktop kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /usr/share/applications/screensavers/ kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /usr/share/applications/kde4/ kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /usr/share/applications/kde/ kbuildsycoca4(4992)/kdecore (KService) KServicePrivate::init: The desktop entry file /usr/share/applications/kde/koffice.desktop has Type= Application but no Exec line kbuildsycoca4(4992)/kdecore (KService) KBuildServiceFactory::createEntry: Invalid Service : /usr/share/applications/kde/koffice.desktop kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /usr/local/share/applications/ kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /usr/local/share/applications/kde4/ kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /store/home/mgb/.local/share/applications/ kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking up applications under /store/home/mgb/.local/share/applications/wine/ kbuildsycoca4(4992) VFolderMenu::loadApplications: Looking
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
Hi, antradienis 23 Rugsėjis 2008, Mike Bird rašė: No stdout output. See below for stderr output. Does not alter access time (neither ls -udl nor ls -ul) of /usr/lib/kde4. Does not cause ktorrent 3 plugins to appear. $ kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental -- or if it does not help try -- $ rm -rf ~/.kde4 (or move it away) $ kbuildsycoca4 ... -- Modestas Vainius [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Tue September 23 2008 09:01:13 Modestas Vainius wrote: Hi, antradienis 23 Rugsėjis 2008, Mike Bird rašė: No stdout output. See below for stderr output. Does not alter access time (neither ls -udl nor ls -ul) of /usr/lib/kde4. Does not cause ktorrent 3 plugins to appear. $ kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental No change. -- or if it does not help try -- $ rm -rf ~/.kde4 (or move it away) $ kbuildsycoca4 ... I don't have a .kde4 in my home directory. BTW, I'm subscribed to debian-kde for now, so no need to cc me. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
I am using ktorrent 3.1.2 (Debian package) as well with KDE 3.5.9 and have no issues. Torrents download normally and no crashes occur (none that I can recall). Did you try removing and reinstalling ktorrent using Synaptic? - Lawrence On Tuesday, September 23, 2008 02:45:06 pm Mike Bird wrote: On Tue September 23 2008 09:52:29 Modestas Vainius wrote: Sveiki, antradienis 23 Rugsėjis 2008, Mike Bird rašė: I don't have a .kde4 in my home directory. Then something is seriously wrong with your base KDE4 installation (kdelibs5, kdebase-runtime, kdepimlibs). See below for my Lenny KDE packages. What differences do you see between this and the systems where you tested ktorrent 3 with Lenny's KDE 3? Is it possible that ktorrent 3 does not work with KDE 3? --Mike Bird # dpkg -l | grep kde ii atlantikdesigner 4:3.5.9-2 game board designer for Atlantik ii kde 5:48 the K Desktop Environment official modules ii kde-core 5:48 the K Desktop Environment core modules ii kde-icons-oxygen 4:4.1.0-2 Oxygen icon theme for KDE 4 ii kdeaccessibility 4:3.5.9-2 accessibility packages from the official KDE release ii kdeaddons4:3.5.9-2 add-on plugins and applets provided with KDE ii kdeaddons-kfile-plugins 4:3.5.9-2 KDE file dialog plugins for text files and folders ii kdeadmin 4:3.5.9-2 system administration tools from the official KDE relea ii kdeadmin-kfile-plugins 4:3.5.9-2 KDE file metainfo plugins for deb and rpm files ii kdeartwork 4:3.5.9-3 themes, styles and more from the official KDE release ii kdeartwork-emoticons 4:3.5.9-3 emoticon collections for KDE chat clients ii kdeartwork-misc 4:3.5.9-3 various multimedia goodies released with KDE ii kdeartwork-style 4:3.5.9-3 widget styles released with KDE ii kdeartwork-theme-icon4:3.5.9-3 icon themes released with KDE ii kdeartwork-theme-window 4:3.5.9-3 window decoration themes released with KDE ii kdebase 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 base components from the official KDE release ii kdebase-bin 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 core binaries for the KDE base module ii kdebase-data 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 shared data files for the KDE base module ii kdebase-kio-plugins 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 core I/O slaves for KDE ii kdebase-runtime 4:4.1.0-2 runtime components from the official KDE 4 release ii kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 4:4.1.0-2 core binaries for the KDE 4 base runtime module ii kdebase-runtime-data 4:4.1.0-2 shared data files for the KDE 4 base runtime module ii kdebluetooth 1.0~beta8-5 KDE Bluetooth Framework ii kdeedu 4:3.5.9-2 educational apps from the official KDE release ii kdeedu-data 4:3.5.9-2 shared data for KDE educational applications ii kdeeject 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-5 script used by KDE to eject removable media ii kdegames 4:3.5.10-1 games from the official KDE release ii kdegames-card-data 4:3.5.10-1Card decks for KDE games ii kdegraphics 4:3.5.9-3 graphics apps from the official KDE release ii kdegraphics-kfile-plugins4:3.5.9-3 KDE metainfo plugins for graphic files ii kdelibs 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 core libraries from the official KDE release ii kdelibs-bin 4:4.1.0-3 executables for all KDE 4 core applications ii kdelibs-data 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 core shared data for all KDE applications ii kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 core libraries and binaries for all KDE applications ii kdelibs5 4:4.1.0-3 core libraries for all KDE 4 applications ii kdelibs5-data4:4.1.0-3 core shared data for all KDE 4 applications ii kdelirc 4:3.5.9-2 infrared control for KDE ii kdemultimedia4:3.5.9-2
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Tue September 23 2008 11:29:26 Lawrence Williams wrote: I am using ktorrent 3.1.2 (Debian package) as well with KDE 3.5.9 and have no issues. Torrents download normally and no crashes occur (none that I can recall). Did you try removing and reinstalling ktorrent using Synaptic? I removed ktorrent and all its dependencies, reinstalled ktorrent2.2, waited several days during which ktorrent2.2 ran fine, and then reinstalled ktorrent 3 and its dependencies again. I used apt for the installs and dpkg for the purges. Do you have a ~/.kde4 ? Please post your dpkg -l | grep kde for comparison with mine. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19:02PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny. It was a huge disappointment. It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the functionality of ktorrent 2.2. And it crashes. A lot. What am I missing? Install ktorrent2.2 and remove ktorrent. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Tue August 26 2008 23:56:00 Ana Guerrero wrote: On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:19:02PM -0700, Mike Bird wrote: I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny. It was a huge disappointment. It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the functionality of ktorrent 2.2. And it crashes. A lot. What am I missing? Install ktorrent2.2 and remove ktorrent. Perhaps I wasn't clear. My question is why are we defaulting Lenny users to ktorrent 3.1.1 which will only result in frustration and cause thousands of users to have to manually remove ktorrent and install ktorrent2.2? It would be much more helpful if Lenny shipped with ktorrent at version 2.2.7. ktorrent 3.1.1 could be packaged as ktorrent3, so that it is available to people who want to try KDE4 but without annoying people who need a usable ktorrent. The Debian KDE team has wisely decided to provide KDE3 as the default in Lenny, with KDE4 as an option. Ktorrent goes against this policy and the result is (I choose these words deliberately) disfunctional, buggy, fragile, and ugly. I don't know how well ktorrent 3.1.1 behaves when surrounded by a full KDE4 install, but I can tell you that apt-get install ktorrent in KDE3 Lenny gives a ktorrent which is painful and embarrassing. FWIW I did an apt-cache search ktorrent to see if the missing functionality was available in additional packages, perhaps as plugins, but no joy there either. --Mike Bird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
El Miércoles, 27 de Agosto de 2008, Mike Bird escribió: The Debian KDE team has wisely decided to provide KDE3 as the default in Lenny, with KDE4 as an option. Ktorrent goes against this policy and the result is (I choose these words deliberately) disfunctional, buggy, fragile, and ugly. I don't know how well ktorrent 3.1.1 behaves when surrounded by a full KDE4 install, but I can tell you that apt-get install ktorrent in KDE3 Lenny gives a ktorrent which is painful and embarrassing. I'm curious: What's the missing functionality of ktorrent 3.1.1? I've used it since it was the default, more or less, and I've found it stable, and with much more functionality that I need (I just needed to activate 2 plugins, and none of them is a must have for me). I don't do anything special with torrents, but I've downloaded a lot of stuff without problems, though. Maybe it's a plugin that is compromising stability. -- Alex (a.k.a. suy) | GPG ID 0x0B8B0BC2 http://barnacity.net/ | http://disperso.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
Mike Bird wrote: Perhaps I wasn't clear. My question is why are we defaulting Lenny users to ktorrent 3.1.1 which will only result in frustration and cause thousands of users to have to manually remove ktorrent and install ktorrent2.2? If things are as bad as you say, then you should file bugs with the appropriate severity on ktorrent. At the moment there are no outstanding bugs of severity higher than normal, and only two normal bugs. David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
On Wednesday 27 August 2008 03:19:02 Mike Bird wrote: I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny. It was a huge disappointment. It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the functionality of ktorrent 2.2. And it crashes. A lot. What am I missing? I don't understand why this piece of KDE 4 is being pushed prematurely. Most users will simply have to downgrade to ktorrent2.2. Why not release ktorrent version 2.2 in Lenny and maybe have a ktorrent3 package for anyone that wants to play on the bleeding edge? Works pretty fine for me :-/ -- Programming is really just the mundane aspect of expressing a solution to a problem. There are talents that are specifically related to actually coding, but the real issue is being able to grasp problems and devise solutions that are detailed enough to actually be coded. John Carmack answers on Slashdot, http://slashdot.org/games/99/10/15/1012230.shtml Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer http://perezmeyer.com.ar/ http://perezmeyer.blogspot.com/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: Why KDE4 ktorrent in Lenny?
Hi, trečiadienis 27 rugpjūtis 2008, Mike Bird rašė: I just tried the KDE4 ktorrent 3 which is being pushed for Lenny. It was a huge disappointment. It brings in a lot of KDE 4 libs which are otherwise not needed and it has maybe 10% of the functionality of ktorrent 2.2. Come on, check your facts before saying anything. The only missing feature is RSS plugin. So basically there are two reasons ktorrent2.2 package exists: 1) For users who do not want to install KDE4 runtime libraries. 2) For users who can't live without RSS plugin. Read /usr/share/doc/ktorrent/README.Debian What is more, KTorrent is not an official KDE package. It can also be used as a standalone application on any desktop environment/window manager where KDE 3 vs. KDE 4 argument does not matter. And it crashes. A lot. Report bugs with proper backtraces. It has been rock solid for me for a long time and I basically use it 24/7. Your bugs might help to get later ktorrent 3.1.x upstream bug fix release into Lenny. What am I missing? I don't understand why this piece of KDE 4 is being pushed prematurely. KTorrent 3.x series has already had TWO major stable releases, both of them with new features and improvements in core code arguably resulting into better performance. ktorrent 2.2.7 is unmaintained and aging hence it might start to be banned from trackers soon. Do not forget that Lenny lifetime is long. Most users will simply have to downgrade to ktorrent2.2. It is interesting that you say downgrade here. That's another reason 3.1.x is the default. By the way, your most users claim is not backed up. Actually my opinion is contrary that most users won't downgrade. However, I *do* understand your arguments, so you have a choice and you are not forced to upgrade ktorrent 3 by installing ktorrent2.2. Why not release ktorrent version 2.2 in Lenny and maybe have a ktorrent3 package for anyone that wants to play on the bleeding edge? It is by no way bleeding edge. It is a stable release. ktorrent2.2 will be gone from testing/unstable once Lenny is released and there will be no upgrade path to ktorrent 3 in the next Debian stable release for this package. -- Modestas Vainius [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
