Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-17 Thread Adeodato Simó 
* Steffen Hein [Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:29:21 +0100]:
> On Friday 17 December 2004 13:05, you wrote:
> > Sure. but that isn't exactly useful for the purpose of this test
> > where it was desired to know whether non-official KDE apps from testing
> > would happily operate with KDE 3.3.1. Using k3b from unstable kinda
> > defeats that purpose. Wouldn't you agree? :)

> Of course, but I had problems with the testing-version of k3b even without 
> using any packages from unstable.

  k3b in testing was known to be broken. so what Steffen says makes
  sense.

  Frederik, many thanks for testing.

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-17 Thread Steffen Hein 
On Friday 17 December 2004 13:05, you wrote:
> Sure. but that isn't exactly useful for the purpose of this test
> where it was desired to know whether non-official KDE apps from testing
> would happily operate with KDE 3.3.1. Using k3b from unstable kinda
> defeats that purpose. Wouldn't you agree? :)

Of course, but I had problems with the testing-version of k3b even without 
using any packages from unstable.

 ~sth

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-17 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
On Friday 17 December 2004 12:28, Steffen Hein wrote:
> On Friday 17 December 2004 00:02, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> > k3b from testing is certainly highly unstable when used with KDE
> > from unstable, Has crashed on me 3 times in no time. I haven't even
> > gotten around to burning yet. Just poking around in the various
> > settings makes it crash. Output in term is similar every time:
>
> Try using K3B from unstable. No problems here with this combination.

Sure. but that isn't exactly useful for the purpose of this test
where it was desired to know whether non-official KDE apps from testing
would happily operate with KDE 3.3.1. Using k3b from unstable kinda 
defeats that purpose. Wouldn't you agree? :)
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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-17 Thread Steffen Hein 
On Friday 17 December 2004 00:02, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> k3b from testing is certainly highly unstable when used with KDE from
> unstable, Has crashed on me 3 times in no time. I haven't even gotten
> around to burning yet. Just poking around in the various settings makes
> it crash. Output in term is similar every time:

Try using K3B from unstable. No problems here with this combination.

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-16 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
On Thursday 16 December 2004 21:51, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> On Friday 10 December 2004 18:16, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > * Frederik Dannemare [Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:05:32 +0100]:
>
[ snip ]
>
> I'll get to test k3b very soon. That is, as soon as I reboot - my cdr
> device has had serious problems with kernels from since 2.6.7. Even
> the very latest 2.6.8-10 cannot cope with DMA being enabled on my cdr
> device and ide1 gets defunct. Thus, no way to acces hdc/hdd, until I
> reboot and disable DMA on the cdr device.

k3b from testing is certainly highly unstable when used with KDE from 
unstable, Has crashed on me 3 times in no time. I haven't even gotten 
around to burning yet. Just poking around in the various settings makes 
it crash. Output in term is similar every time:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ k3b
k3b: WARNING: KGenericFactory: instance requested but no instance name 
passed to the constructor!
free(): invalid pointer 0x8423ea8!
Alarm clock

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[OT] cdr issues [ WAS Re: kde 3.3.x ]

2004-12-16 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
Hi Lawrence,

[ CC'ing the lists (OT, yes - sorry), since I'm pretty sure that others 
will mail me with the same answer you've given. ]

On Thursday 16 December 2004 22:47, you wrote:
> Hello,
>
> New security code introduced in 2.6.8 broke some stuff with
> cdrecord/k3b.
>
> See www.k3b.org for more information

Yes, I'm very much aware of the 2.6.8 issues, but notice that I had 
trouble with my recorder even with 2.6.7. Also, Debian's 2.6.8 kernel 
purposedly "fixed" these issues some time ago - but for me (and many 
others according to some googling) cd recording is still a bit 
troublesome these days - at least with 2.6.x.

[ please follow up to debian-user should anyone respond to this mail ]

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-16 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
On Friday 10 December 2004 18:16, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Frederik Dannemare [Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:05:32 +0100]:
[ snip ]
> > If "comprehensive partial upgrade testing" is doing something else,
> > please let us know so we can help in getting 3.3.x (I see 3.3.2 is
> > out upstream) shipped with Sarge.
>
>   if you read the link above (and, perhaps, this other thread [2])
>   you'll see that we don't need partial upgrades testing since we
> don't let mixed versions happen in sarge.
>
> [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/11/msg00154.html
>
>   otoh, it would be helpful to install kdelibs 3.3 in a sarge machine
>   (or the full kde 3.3, even better) and test that the rest of
>   non-official applications (e.g., k3b, kaffeine, digikam, showimg,
>   kvim, kile, gwenview, konserve and a lot more) still do work
>   correctly.
>
>   that's certainly an area in which anybody interested in seeing kde
> 3.3 in sarge can help.

kaffeine (which I have used a lot the last couple of days), gwenview, 
showimg, kvim (all are from testing) seem to behave without problems 
with KDE 3.3.1 from unstable.

I can't seem to find my darn camera ->PC USB cable so I cannot test 
digikam extensively, but at least it doesn't seem to misbehave in any 
way when merely starting the application and poking around with its 
settings.

I'll get to test k3b very soon. That is, as soon as I reboot - my cdr 
device has had serious problems with kernels from since 2.6.7. Even the 
very latest 2.6.8-10 cannot cope with DMA being enabled on my cdr 
device and ide1 gets defunct. Thus, no way to acces hdc/hdd, until I 
reboot and disable DMA on the cdr device.
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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-14 Thread Nick Leverton 
On Mon, Dec 13, 2004 at 04:53:28PM +0100, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
 
> But this will also list k3b, kaffeine, digikam, showimg, kvim, kile, 
> gwenview (and probably other non-officials), since they all depend on 
> kdelibs4. 

Good point.  So I now have Sid versions of all the unofficials, rather
than Sid versions of main KDE and Sarge versions of the unofficials -
which was what needed testing.  Ah well.  3.3.1 seems noticably more
responsive, and no major new bugs yet; it was worth the upgrade.

Nick

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-13 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
On Monday 13 December 2004 17:18, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
[ snip ]
> since I'm "breaking" my current install anyway, by mixing packages
> from both testing and unstable, I cannot really bother with some
> extra packages installed in the process.

Bad English, I guess. What I meant was that I don't consider it a 
problem having extra packages installed...
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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-13 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
On Monday 13 December 2004 17:02, Hendrik Sattler wrote:
> Am Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 16:53 schrieb Frederik Dannemare:
> > Any reason for not just doing "apt-get -t unstable install kde"?
>
> Very easy: it also installs lots of programs that you may not need
> (and who needs all KDE apps?).

By participating in this little test, I willingly "offer" my otherwise 
perfect Debian installation on my primary workstation, and since I'm 
"breaking" my current install anyway, by mixing packages from both 
testing and unstable, I cannot really bother with some extra packages 
installed in the process. Who doesn't have a 40+GB disk these days, 
anyway? 
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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-13 Thread Hendrik Sattler 
Am Montag, 13. Dezember 2004 16:53 schrieb Frederik Dannemare:
> Any reason for not just doing "apt-get -t unstable install kde"?

Very easy: it also installs lots of programs that you may not need (and who 
needs all KDE apps?).

HS

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-13 Thread Frederik Dannemare 
On Sunday 12 December 2004 04:18, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> * Adeodato Simó [Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:59:08 +0100]:
> >   $ comm -12 <(apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4 | tr -d ' ' | sort) \
> > <(grep-status -Fstatus 'install ok installed' -ns package |
> > sort)
>
>   bah, I'm *really* sorry for that crap above.
>
>   $ grep-status -ns package -Fdepends -e "kdelibs4|libarts1" \
> --and  -Fstatus 'ok installed'

But this will also list k3b, kaffeine, digikam, showimg, kvim, kile, 
gwenview (and probably other non-officials), since they all depend on 
kdelibs4. 

Any reason for not just doing "apt-get -t unstable install kde"? To me 
this this seems to archieve the objective of upgrading only official 
KDE packages - but probably not every single one of them? I guess one 
could instead use your grep-status cmd, but at the same time "egrep -v 
'k3b|kaffeine|gwenview|...'" to archieve that goal.
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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-13 Thread Nick Leverton 
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 04:18:56AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
 
>   $ grep-status -ns package -Fdepends -e "kdelibs4|libarts1" \
> --and  -Fstatus 'ok installed'

That worked really well, though I had to add the metapackages to the
install line by hand as aptitude wanted to remove them.  It might have
sufficed to add just kde, I didn't think to try it.  Also aptitude
wouldn't automatically include kscreensaver-xsavers, so the final command
line looked like this:

aptitude install -t unstable $(
grep-status -ns package -Fdepends -e "kdelibs4|libarts1" \
--and  -Fstatus 'ok installed') kde kde-amusements kde-core \
kdeaddons kdeadmin kdeartwork kdebase kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics \
kdenetwork kdetoys kdeutils kdewebdev kscreensaver-xsavers

The installation went smoothly though, I'll check out the third party
KDE apps I use with it over the next few days.  Thank you very much for
the help.

Nick

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-13 Thread Adrian von Bidder 
On Saturday 11 December 2004 21.58, Christopher Martin wrote:
[3.3.2]
> we would upload to a temporary repository (which would no doubt be
> announced on these lists).

experimental?


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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-12 Thread Hendrik Sattler 
Am Sonntag, 12. Dezember 2004 03:51 schrieb Nick Leverton:
> On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:14:58PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> >   we don't expect anything to break, but if it does, better knowing
> >   *before* the transition happens, right?
>
> Is there an easy way to see what installed packages (but only the
> installed ones) require kdelibs4 ?  It would simplify upgrading only KD
> to sid - unless someone has a better way :)

Simply try to uninstall kdelibs4 with apt-get and you get a list for free ;)
This also takes care of transparent dependencies.

HS

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Adeodato Simó 
* Adeodato Simó [Sun, 12 Dec 2004 03:59:08 +0100]:

>   $ comm -12 <(apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4 | tr -d ' ' | sort) \
> <(grep-status -Fstatus 'install ok installed' -ns package | sort)

  bah, I'm *really* sorry for that crap above.

  $ grep-status -ns package -Fdepends -e "kdelibs4|libarts1" \
--and  -Fstatus 'ok installed'

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Nick Leverton 
On Sun, Dec 12, 2004 at 03:59:08AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
 
>   $ comm -12 <(apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4 | tr -d ' ' | sort) \
> <(grep-status -Fstatus 'install ok installed' -ns package | sort)
> 
>   other people may have more interesting suggestions as to how to
>   upgrade only kde, I've never had to do it.

Thankyou, looks like it should work, I'll compare it with my guesses
tomorrow and try it out :)  Might need to make it "kdelibs4 libarts1"
for the full KDE effect perhaps ?

$ comm -12 <(apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4 libarts1 | tr -d ' ' | sort -u) \
  <(grep-status -Fstatus 'install ok installed' -ns package | sort)

Nick

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Adeodato Simó 
* Nick Leverton [Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:51:46 +]:

> Is there an easy way to see what installed packages (but only the
> installed ones) require kdelibs4 ?  It would simplify upgrading only KD
> to sid - unless someone has a better way :)

  (I hate this, but there you go. Assumes $BASH.)

  $ comm -12 <(apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4 | tr -d ' ' | sort) \
<(grep-status -Fstatus 'install ok installed' -ns package | sort)

  other people may have more interesting suggestions as to how to
  upgrade only kde, I've never had to do it.

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Nick Leverton 
On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:14:58PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote:
 
>   we don't expect anything to break, but if it does, better knowing
>   *before* the transition happens, right?

Is there an easy way to see what installed packages (but only the
installed ones) require kdelibs4 ?  It would simplify upgrading only KD
to sid - unless someone has a better way :)

Nick

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Christopher Martin 
On December 11, 2004 15:38, Doug Holland wrote:
> Any idea when we'll see KDE 3.3.2 in sid?  I know that you guys are
> working hard on getting 3.3.1 into sarge, so I'm not expecting the
> packages instantly.  Still. 3.3.2 has some nice fixes to khtml and
> konqueror that fix some rendering errors on certain web sites (gmail
> and Ars Technica forums, for example.)  I just want a heads up if
> you're not too terribly busy.

As I mentioned in the LKF, once the immediate problems with the current 
packages are fixed, we were planning to work on 3.3.2 packages, but 
rather than uploading to Sid, which would prevent 3.3.1 from entering 
Sarge, we would upload to a temporary repository (which would no doubt be 
announced on these lists).

Cheers,
Christopher Martin

Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Doug Holland 
Any idea when we'll see KDE 3.3.2 in sid?  I know that you guys are working 
hard on getting 3.3.1 into sarge, so I'm not expecting the packages 
instantly.  Still. 3.3.2 has some nice fixes to khtml and konqueror that fix 
some rendering errors on certain web sites (gmail and Ars Technica forums, 
for example.)  I just want a heads up if you're not too terribly busy.

Doug


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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Adeodato Simó 
* Mario Girlando [Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:07:40 +0100]:

> I've been running kde 3.3 on two different Sarge machines for about a month 
> with no problems at all. I don't have everything installed, however, since 
> kde is huge and I don't need all of it (particularly, I don't have kdeedu 
> or kdetoys installed). Is there any specific program you want me to test in 
> detail?

  the point was not to test official kde apps, but non-official ones.
  quoting from a previous mail of mine:

>   otoh, it would be helpful to install kdelibs 3.3 in a sarge machine
>   (or the full kde 3.3, even better) and test that the rest of
>   non-official applications (e.g., k3b, kaffeine, digikam, showimg,
>   kvim, kile, gwenview, konserve and a lot more) still do work
>   correctly.

  thanks,

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Mario Girlando 
Alle 14:14, sabato 11 dicembre 2004, Adeodato Simó ha scritto:
> * Benoit Mortier [Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:43:04 +0100]:
> > ok, what do we need to help you ? if a understand well, just install a
> > new sarge machine and install the kde 3.3 libs as soon as they appear
> > and test the programs ?
>
>   ideally, "as soon as they appear" ==> "now". that is, install a sarge
>   machine, install kde 3.3 on it (though it is not in sarge still), and
>   test the aplications there.
>
>   we don't expect anything to break, but if it does, better knowing
>   *before* the transition happens, right?
>
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> -- Terry Pratchett

I've been running kde 3.3 on two different Sarge machines for about a month 
with no problems at all. I don't have everything installed, however, since 
kde is huge and I don't need all of it (particularly, I don't have kdeedu 
or kdetoys installed). Is there any specific program you want me to test in 
detail?


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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Adeodato Simó 
* Benoit Mortier [Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:43:04 +0100]:

> ok, what do we need to help you ? if a understand well, just install a new 
> sarge machine and install the kde 3.3 libs as soon as they appear and test 
> the programs ?

  ideally, "as soon as they appear" ==> "now". that is, install a sarge
  machine, install kde 3.3 on it (though it is not in sarge still), and
  test the aplications there.

  we don't expect anything to break, but if it does, better knowing
  *before* the transition happens, right?

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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-11 Thread Benoit Mortier 
Le vendredi 10 Décembre 2004 18:16, Adeodato Simó a écrit :

>   otoh, it would be helpful to install kdelibs 3.3 in a sarge machine
>   (or the full kde 3.3, even better) and test that the rest of
>   non-official applications (e.g., k3b, kaffeine, digikam, showimg,
>   kvim, kile, gwenview, konserve and a lot more) still do work
>   correctly.
>
>   that's certainly an area in which anybody interested in seeing kde 3.3
>   in sarge can help.
>
> (well, any of these applications is expected to break, but one can
> never be sure. rationale for testing is that once kdelibs enter,
> versions of these applications compiled against kdelibs 3.3 can
> enter, but it won't be immediate and some of them could get not
> updated as well).

ok, what do we need to help you ? if a understand well, just install a new 
sarge machine and install the kde 3.3 libs as soon as they appear and test 
the programs ?

We can do that at the office on a scratch pc

Bye
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Re: kde 3.3.x

2004-12-10 Thread Adeodato Simó 
* Frederik Dannemare [Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:05:32 +0100]:
> On Friday 10 December 2004 11:53, Daniel Rode wrote:

> > is there a chance that kde 3.3.x will be avaliable for Debian Sarge?
> > As I can see there are only few (three?) bugs and two of them seems
> > to be not too serious/easy to squish (according to messages avaliable
> > at bugs.debian.org).

> You may want to have a look at this thread
>  where
> Steve Langasek (I believe he's a RM) says:

> "KDE 3.3 in sarge is contingent on the KDE maintainers being able to
> provide the same sort of assurances that were asked of the GNOME
> maintainers regarding the safety of allowing these packages to trickle
> in (i.e., the correctness of the package relationships), which calls
> for comprehensive partial upgrade testing."

> I'm not really sure what the current status of all this is.

  work in progress.

> At least I haven't noticed anything new on public debian mailing
> lists, but maybe the issues at hand are being discussed privately
> between KDE maintainers and the Release Team?

  the issues were being discussed privately by some members of the KDE
  team, and now this proposal [1] has just been sent to debian-release.

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/12/msg00079.html

> If "comprehensive partial upgrade testing" is doing something else, 
> please let us know so we can help in getting 3.3.x (I see 3.3.2 is out 
> upstream) shipped with Sarge.

  if you read the link above (and, perhaps, this other thread [2])
  you'll see that we don't need partial upgrades testing since we don't
  let mixed versions happen in sarge.

[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2004/11/msg00154.html

  otoh, it would be helpful to install kdelibs 3.3 in a sarge machine
  (or the full kde 3.3, even better) and test that the rest of
  non-official applications (e.g., k3b, kaffeine, digikam, showimg,
  kvim, kile, gwenview, konserve and a lot more) still do work
  correctly.

  that's certainly an area in which anybody interested in seeing kde 3.3
  in sarge can help.

(well, any of these applications is expected to break, but one can
never be sure. rationale for testing is that once kdelibs enter,
versions of these applications compiled against kdelibs 3.3 can
enter, but it won't be immediate and some of them could get not
updated as well).

  thanks,


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