Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?

2003-10-06 Thread Paul Cupis
On Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 07:46:22PM -0700, Hereon wrote:
 
 So, it seems you are saying that there are some extra steps (besides what
 Paul indicated) that are _required_ to be done to get KDE installed on Sid,
 in consideration of these problems in kdebase  kdemultimedia.  If that is
 true, what are those extra steps?

A basic KDE system (most apps) can be installed in sid today, with only
one required workaround (detailed in the FAQ at
http://wiki.debian.net/DebianKDE). This workaround is to install a
library package which was removed from the archive just after KDE was
last built.

I am not aware of any workaround to install the kdemultimedia
meta-package in current sid. Hopefully Chris will upload a fixed package
before long.

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Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?

2003-10-05 Thread Hereon
--- Ricardo Galli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Which doesn't mean it's in a good status. But the opposite.
 
  Ricardo - You say that it is in the opposite of good status.
 
  Do you mean:
 
  1) That some extra steps beyond normal are required to _install_ it? 
  (As Paul indicated.) Or,
 
 Yes, there are some wrong dependencies in kdebase and kdemultimedia (it 
 seems due to a bad NMU)

Oh.  Too bad.  :(   But, good to be aware of.  :)

So, it seems you are saying that there are some extra steps (besides what
Paul indicated) that are _required_ to be done to get KDE installed on Sid,
in consideration of these problems in kdebase  kdemultimedia.  If that is
true, what are those extra steps?
 
  2) That even when installed, using the extra steps, KDE on Debian (Sid)
  is not functioning properly?

 The Sid version is perfectly usable, with some annoyances. 

Thanks.  :)


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What's current status of KDE in Sid?

2003-10-04 Thread Hereon
Looking at the debian kde wiki page, it's ambiguous what the status is.

1) There is no status indicator.

2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to imply
that it is available.

3) An rc bug (qt-x11-free) is mentioned, but this doesn't necessarily imply
that a kde _install_ would fail.

4) latest info indicates a 68k build problem, but, again, this doesn't
necessarily imply that a kde install would fail (for my system: intel x86)


From the debian kde mailing list I see:

Re: Big trouble with libqt3
From: Linus Gasser 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-kde/2003/debian-kde-200310/msg00019.html
reading the rest of the list you can see that there are quite some troubles 
for now with kde in unstable. Personally I'm running kde on stable, and it 
works very well.


On my pentium system w/ a minimal Sid + minimal gnome (gnome installed cause
kde wouldn't install) I get:

# apt-get  install kde-core
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
 
Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:
 
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
  kde-core: Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed
E: Broken packages


=Questions:
1) Can I somehow get or force to get a minimal working KDE system on my Sid
now?

2) Perhaps by pinning or something  installing from testing, or stable?

3) If there's no way to get a minimal Sid install working right now, what is
the eta for when KDE will be installable into Sid?  (And, what are the major
tasks needed for that to happen?)

Thanks for all the great work!  :)

PS: Putting the ETA on the debian kde wiki would be a wonderful addition to
that page!  :)


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Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?

2003-10-04 Thread Paul Cupis
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On Saturday 04 October 2003 07:55, Hereon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to
 imply that it is available.

It is available.

[snip]

 On my pentium system w/ a minimal Sid + minimal gnome (gnome
 installed cause kde wouldn't install) I get:

 # apt-get  install kde-core
 Reading Package Lists... Done
 Building Dependency Tree... Done
 Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
 requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
 distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
 or been moved out of Incoming.

 Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely
 that the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
 that package should be filed.
 The following information may help to resolve the situation:

 The following packages have unmet dependencies:
   kde-core: Depends: kdebase but it is not going to be installed
 E: Broken packages

 =Questions:
 1) Can I somehow get or force to get a minimal working KDE system on
 my Sid now?

Currently there is a little bug whre kdebase in sid is 'uninstallable'. 
To fix this, the wiki says:

== 
(2003/09/01) ksysguardd (and therefore kdebase and therefore kde-core) 
is not installable in sid at the moment. This is due to 
libsensors-1debian1 not being in the archive any more (bug #210276) You 
will need to wait for a new kdebase to uploaded OR download this and 
install it using dpkg -i
== 

Regards,

Paul Cupis
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Re: What's current status of KDE in Sid?

2003-10-04 Thread Ricardo Galli
On Saturday 04 October 2003 10:53, Paul Cupis shaped the electrons to 
shout:
  2) There are instructions for installing for sid, which would seem to
  imply that it is available.

 It is available.

Which doesn't mean it's in a good status. But the opposite.


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