Re: What do we need arts for?
* Chris Cheney [Tue, 18 Nov 2003 17:27:12 -0600]: > Only cards that physically support multiopen support it in ALSA. You can > of course attempt to use dmix, which is part of alsa-lib, but some of > the alsa-lib functions are fubar, so they do not work with dmix, as I > mentioned in my other post. OK, thanks to all who answered. Thanks Chris. -- Adeodato Simó (a.k.a. thibaut) EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | IM: my_dato [jabber.org] | PK: DA6AE621 When the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a nail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What do we need arts for?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 11:31:20PM +0100, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > On Tuesday 18 November 2003 23:07, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > > Some drivers support it, some don't. > > > > So I wonder: should I understand that all cards supported by ALSA can > > play simultaneously or that only some of them do? In the second case, > > how can I know? > > Well I thought all alsa drivers supported this. > > I searched a bit and found this: > > http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/audio_quality_HOWTO.htm#supported_multi > > I have no idea if it's at all relevant. Only cards that physically support multiopen support it in ALSA. You can of course attempt to use dmix, which is part of alsa-lib, but some of the alsa-lib functions are fubar, so they do not work with dmix, as I mentioned in my other post. Chris signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What do we need arts for?
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 23:07, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Some drivers support it, some don't. > > So I wonder: should I understand that all cards supported by ALSA can > play simultaneously or that only some of them do? In the second case, > how can I know? Well I thought all alsa drivers supported this. I searched a bit and found this: http://www.djcj.org/LAU/guide/audio_quality_HOWTO.htm#supported_multi I have no idea if it's at all relevant. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.4 on Debian GNU/Linux
Re: What do we need arts for?
On Tue, Nov 18, 2003 at 10:32:14PM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Thomas Ritter [Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:34:48 +0100]: > > On Tuesday 18 November 2003 19:36, David Bishop wrote: > > > Then don't. Go into the Control Center, under Sound & Multimedia, select > > > Sound Server. Uncheck 'Start at login', and then use non-kde multimedia > > > ... and don't forget to set arts to kill itself after 1 second or so before > > you disable it, because whenever you start one of the crappy (because arts > > using) KDE media programs, it will start arts. I had even thought of > > deleting > > the arts binary and symlinking it to /bin/false ;) > > Perhaps you should consider running artsd outputting to the *null* device. > That way all KDE applications are happy 'cause arts is running and > non-kde apps can use the driver themselves. > > By the way, by not using arts, you also loose the possibility of having > separate apps playing simultaneously, don't you? (Please correct me if > I'm wrong; I'd be glad to know if this can be done without > artsd/esd/similar.) If you have a good sound card you can output multiple simultaneously, or if you can manage to convince upstream alsa to fix the alsa-lib to work right with their dmix plugin it will even work for cheap sound cards. Otherwise you have to use a daemon such as artsd/esd/etc. BTW - as far as functionality is concerned arts is more roughly equal to gstreamer than to esd. Chris signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What do we need arts for?
* Anders Ellenshøj Andersen [Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:44:39 +0100]: > Right now using alsa I am playing Animatrix on xine while playing Space > Brothers - Forgiven on mplayer. > Audio is working in both apps at the same time. * Sylvain Joyeux [Tue, 18 Nov 2003 22:46:08 +0100]: > Some drivers support it, some don't. So I wonder: should I understand that all cards supported by ALSA can play simultaneously or that only some of them do? In the second case, how can I know? Thanks. -- Adeodato Simó (a.k.a. thibaut) EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | IM: my_dato [jabber.org] | PK: DA6AE621 ech`echo xiun|tr nu oc|sed 'sx\([sx]\)\([xoi]\)xo un\2\1 is xg'`ol signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What do we need arts for?
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 22:32, Adeodato Simó wrote: > By the way, by not using arts, you also loose the possibility of having > separate apps playing simultaneously, don't you? (Please correct me if Right now using alsa I am playing Animatrix on xine while playing Space Brothers - Forgiven on mplayer. Audio is working in both apps at the same time. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.4 on Debian GNU/Linux
Re: What do we need arts for?
> By the way, by not using arts, you also loose the possibility of having > separate apps playing simultaneously, don't you? Some drivers support it, some don't. -- Sylvain Joyeux
Re: What do we need arts for?
* Thomas Ritter [Tue, 18 Nov 2003 20:34:48 +0100]: > On Tuesday 18 November 2003 19:36, David Bishop wrote: > > Then don't. Go into the Control Center, under Sound & Multimedia, select > > Sound Server. Uncheck 'Start at login', and then use non-kde multimedia > ... and don't forget to set arts to kill itself after 1 second or so before > you disable it, because whenever you start one of the crappy (because arts > using) KDE media programs, it will start arts. I had even thought of deleting > the arts binary and symlinking it to /bin/false ;) Perhaps you should consider running artsd outputting to the *null* device. That way all KDE applications are happy 'cause arts is running and non-kde apps can use the driver themselves. By the way, by not using arts, you also loose the possibility of having separate apps playing simultaneously, don't you? (Please correct me if I'm wrong; I'd be glad to know if this can be done without artsd/esd/similar.) -- Adeodato Simó (a.k.a. thibaut) EM: asp16 [ykwim] alu.ua.es | IM: my_dato [jabber.org] | PK: DA6AE621 The easy way is the wrong way, and the hard way is the stupid way. Pick one. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: What do we need arts for?
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 19:36, David Bishop wrote: > Then don't. Go into the Control Center, under Sound & Multimedia, select > Sound Server. Uncheck 'Start at login', and then use non-kde multimedia ... and don't forget to set arts to kill itself after 1 second or so before you disable it, because whenever you start one of the crappy (because arts using) KDE media programs, it will start arts. I had even thought of deleting the arts binary and symlinking it to /bin/false ;) -- Thomas Ritter "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin
Re: What do we need arts for?
On Tuesday 18 November 2003 11:01 am, Anders Ellenshøj Andersen wrote: > I don't understand why kde is so closely tied to arts? > > Speaking from my personal experience, what arts is mostly good for is > getting in the way of my sound driver. > > Since I started using alsa, there has been no correlation between arts and > the hardware. It's like I have two sound systems competing with each other, > and arts is cripled since it can't adjust the mixer volumes. > > I'd really rather not use arts at all. Then don't. Go into the Control Center, under Sound & Multimedia, select Sound Server. Uncheck 'Start at login', and then use non-kde multimedia apps, like xmms, etc. All you'll be missing is the System Sounds (which I never, ever, turn on) and the use of noatun, kaboodle, etc (which some people don't like, apparently :-). arts isn't magic, and KDE doesn't have a run-time dependency on it. -- D.A.Bishop
What do we need arts for?
I don't understand why kde is so closely tied to arts? Speaking from my personal experience, what arts is mostly good for is getting in the way of my sound driver. Since I started using alsa, there has been no correlation between arts and the hardware. It's like I have two sound systems competing with each other, and arts is cripled since it can't adjust the mixer volumes. I'd really rather not use arts at all. Anders -- This email was generated using KMail from KDE 3.1.4 on Debian GNU/Linux
