Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 October 2001 02:14, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: > Lucida Console looks good with konsole but is it really better than > fixed (misc). I have anti-aliased fonts running fine now but I still have some problems with fixed-width fonts. I'm running konsole without anti-aliasing at the moment, maybe I'll switch to Lucida Console. But the bigger problem is that I need a fixed-width font that has a bold typeface available (for the Signature status lines in KMail). Does anybody have tips for me? Any other places to get Fonts from? (I have installed all the packages you listed in your mail.) Oh, btw, I don't have the 'Fixed' font, where do I get it from and is it really worth it? - -- - -M - --- Magnus von Koeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Georg-Westermann-Allee 76 / 38104 Braunschweig / Germany Phone: +49-(0)531/2094886 Mobile: +49-(0)179/4562940 lp1 on fire (One of the more obfuscated kernel messages) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE75pZpUIvM6e6BgFARAi+AAKDVMdPq3V/E+eZIEKdx47iNdrRkMACeLvAw P/+lscAZ2f40jTvs7hkYZcg= =Laod -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday 31 October 2001 21:12, Tomas Pospisek wrote: > Yup I am viewing them with konqueror and they *are* blurred and I also > had them on on my dektop and it's awful - it hurts my eyes. > > I do understand what AA does. But IMHO it's not a good idea, unless you > have big characters in respect to resolution, i.e. a pixel does not matter > any more. Otherwise you'll just get *unsharp/fading* edges - and that's > exactly my definition of blur. It's a matter of taste it seems :) Cheers, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE74GNAfAeuFodNU5wRAk40AJ9cYD45dDWXUwIydl3xk0XU6827TQCfQrev gKH9/7nF1yglB+rbK6tAtRc= =83LO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
Zitiere "Eray Ozkural (exa)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > If you're viewing that screenshot with konqueror you will see a fairly > accurate representation of what I'm using but if you use an image viewer > that resamples that further for you, it will indeed look blurry. Yup I am viewing them with konqueror and they *are* blurred and I also had them on on my dektop and it's awful - it hurts my eyes. I do understand what AA does. But IMHO it's not a good idea, unless you have big characters in respect to resolution, i.e. a pixel does not matter any more. Otherwise you'll just get *unsharp/fading* edges - and that's exactly my definition of blur. *t
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
[ PGP not available, raw data follows ] > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Tuesday 30 October 2001 05:48, Daniel Robert Franklin wrote: > > So, in short, if you actually want to see the font, as opposed to a bunch > > of artifacts, you need to use anti-aliasing. Don't mistake smoothness for > > blurring. > > That was some nice explanation. Anti-aliasing is something you ought to > integrate in any display system, or you will have jagged edges. Thus, some of > the hype associated with Mac OS X's Carbon. Definitely. OSX takes it one step further though, although I don't think it takes it far enough. My personal preference would be the total elimination of the "pixel" as a concept for user-interface design, rather to have everything in terms of vectors, geometric lines etc, then use a simple rendering engine to sample that and turn it into pixels. Then you would be able to do arbitrary scaling, translation and rotation with the aid of hardware acceleration (much like the user-interface on the excellent QuArK Quake map editor). You could use scalable dimensionally-normalised eps files or some such thing for icons, buttons etc. I don't know if the WIMP paradigm would still work in that environment, but it certainly would be interesting to find out, or to develop something better :) > > I'd always thought anti-aliasing was simply resampling, tho'. Well, AA comes into that too - if you have an image with 600 dpi resolution and you want to display it on a monitor with 100 dpi resolution you need to downsample it. But this is not as simple as taking every 6th pixel (though that is the way it is sometimes done). You need to low-pass filter it first, or you will see artifacts. The effect is similar to sampling an analog signal. Accurately changing the sample rate to something which is not 1/N (N being an integer) (e.g. from 600 to 83 dpi) requires upsampling and then downsampling - but you still need to filter. > Which means there is actually some blending but not blurring, most > algorithms are careful enough not to degrade image quality. On the other > hand, the end result varies since there are different algorithms. Yes. The precise digital filter used can be of many different designs, but all are imperfect (a digital filter would need to be infinitely long for it to be perfect). You will always get some aliasing but it should be much less than with no filter (hopefully below the threshold of perception). Forgive me for rabbiting on, as a DSP-obsessed electrical engineer, it's a subject which is close to my heart :) - Daniel -- ** * Daniel Franklin - Postgraduate student in Electrical Engineering * University of Wollongong, NSW, Australia * [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 30 October 2001 01:36, Dan Born wrote: > That's rather impressive. I have a bunch of true type fonts, and > anti-aliasing turned on in kde, but the only font available for a fixed > width font under the control center is the "fixed" font, and "fixed" is the > only thing available in konsole. This is ugly looking... how do I fix it? > Yes, I like the fonts as well :) I got mad trying out all different fonts, because at first there weren't many fonts available and I had to go back to bitmapped fonts. You ought to start installing alternative fonts then. Summon apt. $ apt-cache search true.*type The following packages seem worthwhile: fttools - FreeType font utilities. x-ttcidfont-conf - Configure TrueType and CID fonts for X. msttcorefonts - Installer for Microsoft TrueType core fonts ttf-commercial - Install or share some commercial truetype fonts with windows. And of course anti-aliasing-howto - Anti Aliasing metapackage The qt-fonts-HOWTO.html pretty much covers which fonts you can use. Also, I'm not sure why you can't use any bitmapped fonts when you start using AA. Rather weird. Lucida Console looks good with konsole but is it really better than fixed (misc). Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE731BofAeuFodNU5wRAuO9AKCm+TC/1UTZ5kRRC/LLm/CZhe9b7gCfVt4p hP4XQXURn6l78TeOE2rCYAY= =N6mx -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 30 October 2001 05:48, Daniel Robert Franklin wrote: > So, in short, if you actually want to see the font, as opposed to a bunch > of artifacts, you need to use anti-aliasing. Don't mistake smoothness for > blurring. That was some nice explanation. Anti-aliasing is something you ought to integrate in any display system, or you will have jagged edges. Thus, some of the hype associated with Mac OS X's Carbon. I'd always thought anti-aliasing was simply resampling, tho'. Which means there is actually some blending but not blurring, most algorithms are careful enough not to degrade image quality. On the other hand, the end result varies since there are different algorithms. I find the KDE AA satisfactory on XFree86, tho. The fonts look good on a hi-res display. I think that was one advantage Windoze had, only until recently :) If you're viewing that screenshot with konqueror you will see a fairly accurate representation of what I'm using but if you use an image viewer that resamples that further for you, it will indeed look blurry. My feeling is that especially web pages look a lot more like they were intended to. So, could you tell me about your font settings? Thanks, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7305UfAeuFodNU5wRAqD7AJ9xywomgvSmb1qi3IGyuFY6748ImgCffRca bR8zwWcVmFx4V5tjLgT6o40= =E+Ea -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
> On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Dan Born wrote: > > > That's rather impressive. I have a bunch of true type fonts, and > > anti-aliasing turned on in kde, but the only font available for a fixed > > width > > font under the control center is the "fixed" font, and "fixed" is the only > > thing available in konsole. This is ugly looking... how do I fix it? > > I don't get it: why this antialiased hype? This blurry stuff makes my eyes > hurt. How can anybody be using this? And it's *ugly*! AA filters don't "blur" as such. They are a low-pass filter which removes artifacts in a sampled signal. In this case, the artifacts result from having geometric shapes (lines, fonts etc) which are "analog" and have frequency components higher than your display (a sampling process which represents a geometric line as a sequence of dots) can show. Sampling a signal which has not been band-limited (filtered to remove frequencies higher than half the sampling rate) results in things *appearing where they are not* - that is, the jagged edges which appear even with Type 1 or TrueType fonts with AA turned off. The jagged edges aren't real. AA filters do vary in quality, but basically any functional low-pass filter is better than none. So, in short, if you actually want to see the font, as opposed to a bunch of artifacts, you need to use anti-aliasing. Don't mistake smoothness for blurring. - Daniel -- ** * Daniel Franklin - Postgraduate student in Electrical Engineering * University of Wollongong, NSW, Australia * [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
On Mon, 29 Oct 2001, Dan Born wrote: > That's rather impressive. I have a bunch of true type fonts, and > anti-aliasing turned on in kde, but the only font available for a fixed width > font under the control center is the "fixed" font, and "fixed" is the only > thing available in konsole. This is ugly looking... how do I fix it? I don't get it: why this antialiased hype? This blurry stuff makes my eyes hurt. How can anybody be using this? And it's *ugly*! *t > > http://orion.exa.homeip.net/~exa/kde-snapshot1.png Exactly - yuck! :-( *t Tomas Pospisek SourcePole - Linux & Open Source Solutions http://sourcepole.ch Elestastrasse 18, 7310 Bad Ragaz, Switzerland Tel: +41 (81) 330 77 11
Re: Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
That's rather impressive. I have a bunch of true type fonts, and anti-aliasing turned on in kde, but the only font available for a fixed width font under the control center is the "fixed" font, and "fixed" is the only thing available in konsole. This is ugly looking... how do I fix it? Thanks, Dan On Monday 29 October 2001 10:19 am, Eray Ozkural (exa) wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Check it out at > > http://orion.exa.homeip.net/~exa/kde-snapshot1.png > > Happy K'ing, > > - -- > Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara > www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo > GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D > 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE73XNkfAeuFodNU5wRAieCAJ9zM74eKjFibMKOOtso6DbO6sMbuACeNdUm > UB60KzV7ZF20bGDw6PqlgGA= > =ya07 > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Yet another anti-aliased KDE screenshot
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Check it out at http://orion.exa.homeip.net/~exa/kde-snapshot1.png Happy K'ing, - -- Eray Ozkural (exa) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Comp. Sci. Dept., Bilkent University, Ankara www: http://www.cs.bilkent.edu.tr/~erayo GPG public key fingerprint: 360C 852F 88B0 A745 F31B EA0F 7C07 AE16 874D 539C -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE73XNkfAeuFodNU5wRAieCAJ9zM74eKjFibMKOOtso6DbO6sMbuACeNdUm UB60KzV7ZF20bGDw6PqlgGA= =ya07 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
