Re: List Etiquette (was Re: latest kde 3.1.2)
Don't know what this was about, but whoever it was that sought advice on list etiquette might want to read Eric Raymond's FAQ on how to ask questions the smart way : Thank you :) The thing is that I helped here two guys to install new KDE on Sarge without dependency problems, which they wanted to solve by reinstalling or even by givin' up on Debian distro. Then this picky ;o) dude appeared and strongly suggested to me that I quote just important parts of the previous msgs and snip out the rest, because of annoyance he's felt, going thru my enormously huge posts. :) I found that a bit ungrateful, but hey, I really am new here and I am willing to obey local rules. No need to learn how to ask the smart way, but thanx for your concern anyway. Sincerely, David Lister
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
Yaah!! Worked for me too. Thanks a lot for your help! I'll be more carefull next time I will want the last KDE version ;-) It must confess I have thought a 'short' time Debian wasn't as good as I thought but... it IS the best distro. Even if some applis aren't distributed very well for it. But we can't blame anyone. It just takes so much time to maintain a package... About testing: Am I right to think testing is a distro that make a good half-way between a VERY stable distro and a VERY up-to date distro (I mean with the last versions of softwares)? Yeah, it's quite like that. I'm glad I helped you. Sincerely, David
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:37:01PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:07:11AM -0600, David Bishop wrote: Is there any way to install the latest kde development packages alongside XFree86 4.3? It seems to be looking for a -pic package that doesn't exist for me. Unless it is possible to install xlibs-pic while xfree 4.3 is installed it probably won't work. KDE has to be compiled against xlibs-pic until xfree 4.3 goes into Debian otherwise it fails to build on several archs. With xfree 4.3 finally all libraries are compiled with -fPIC so it will no longer be needed for it. I took the cvs-debs route. Now, if only KMail would stop acting oddly, I would be perfectly happy :-) D.A.Bishop
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Tue, 20 May 2003 22:49:22 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 10:37:01PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote: On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:07:11AM -0600, David Bishop wrote: Is there any way to install the latest kde development packages alongside XFree86 4.3? It seems to be looking for a -pic package that doesn't exist for me. Unless it is possible to install xlibs-pic while xfree 4.3 is installed it probably won't work. KDE has to be compiled against xlibs-pic until xfree 4.3 goes into Debian otherwise it fails to build on several archs. With xfree 4.3 finally all libraries are compiled with -fPIC so it will no longer be needed for it. I took the cvs-debs route. Now, if only KMail would stop acting oddly, I would be perfectly happy :-) It would be even better if it worked!!! I have tried to update my kde to 3.1.2 but I couldn't install it because of dependencie problems: libqt3-mt conflicts with libqt3c102-mt and both are needed to install kdebase 3.1.2 So I tried to come back to 3.1.1 but even if I change ./latest/Debian ... into ./3.1.1/Debian ... it still installs 3.1.2 but with some parts from 3.1.1. That's crazy. And Kmail is installed version 3.1.1 in a 3.1.2 kde version. and I thit that's what causes Kmail crashes: $ kmail kmail: relocation error: kmail: undefined symbol: _ZN8DwString4nposE $ If someone knows what to do whith it or has had tthe same problem. I wouldn't refuse help since I like kmail very much (when it works ;-) bye -- germs pgpIBrjQfYnap.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
Am Mittwoch, 21. Mai 2003 11:17 schrieb Germain CHAZOT: It would be even better if it worked!!! I have tried to update my kde to 3.1.2 but I couldn't install it because of dependencie problems: libqt3-mt conflicts with libqt3c102-mt and both are needed to install kdebase 3.1.2 So I tried to come back to 3.1.1 but even if I change ./latest/Debian ... into ./3.1.1/Debian ... it still installs 3.1.2 but with some parts from 3.1.1. That's crazy. And Kmail is installed version 3.1.1 in a 3.1.2 IMPORTEND!!! Do not MIX debian packages for UNSTABLE with debian packages for TESTING or STABLE. Clean up your sources list for apt. (For unstable it should need libqt3c102-mt and for testing/stable libqt3-mt) And I've run KDE3.1.2 with XFree86 4.3.0 from daniels sources and it works.
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wed, 21 May 2003 12:06:44 +0200 Alexander Opitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Mittwoch, 21. Mai 2003 11:17 schrieb Germain CHAZOT: It would be even better if it worked!!! I have tried to update my kde to 3.1.2 but I couldn't install it because of dependencie problems: libqt3-mt conflicts with libqt3c102-mt and both are needed to install kdebase 3.1.2 So I tried to come back to 3.1.1 but even if I change ./latest/Debian ... into ./3.1.1/Debian ... it still installs 3.1.2 but with some parts from 3.1.1. That's crazy. And Kmail is installed version 3.1.1 in a 3.1.2 IMPORTEND!!! Do not MIX debian packages for UNSTABLE with debian packages for TESTING or STABLE. Well but what is the difference. I only found stable Debian releases of KDE. Could you give a sources.list line for Debian UNSTABLE? Clean up your sources list for apt. How do I do? Sorry I'm not an old user of Debian. (For unstable it should need libqt3c102-mt and for testing/stable libqt3-mt) OK th And I've run KDE3.1.2 with XFree86 4.3.0 from daniels sources and it works. ^^^ So you compiled KDE? I'm not sure to understand. Am I obliged to compile KDE if I am on Cid? Thanks -- Germs pgpdeoVy5UGfP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wednesday 21 May 2003 12:06, Alexander Opitz wrote: IMPORTEND!!! Do not MIX debian packages for UNSTABLE with debian packages for TESTING or STABLE. Well, with some /etc/apt/preferences magic and dpkg -i --force-all I got a running KDE 3.1.2 on an alpha/testing. So far it works quite nicely! Ineiti -- -- Linus Gasser Chemin des Cèdres 1 1004 Lausanne 021 647 53 05 http://www.linusetviviane.ch --
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wed, May 21, 2003 13:49:15, Linus Gasser wrote: Well, with some /etc/apt/preferences magic and dpkg -i --force-all I got a running KDE 3.1.2 on an alpha/testing. So far it works quite nicely! well, i know this is not very professional, but for me it worked to get kde3.1.2 running: for the libarts1-problem i removed the debian-testing source in sources.list, afaik, kde provides the correct version but the one in testing has a higher version number. after that, i could install install everything except kdeadmin. maybe an ugly solution, but a solution... greets, dirk -- +--+-+ | Dirk Reiss |phone: ++49 (0) 531 7996276 | | Helmstedter Str. 134 |mobile: ++49 (0) 162 8925618 | | D - 38102 Braunschweig |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +--+-+ pgpFgaATVYiLP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:49:15PM +0200, Linus Gasser wrote: On Wednesday 21 May 2003 12:06, Alexander Opitz wrote: IMPORTEND!!! Do not MIX debian packages for UNSTABLE with debian packages for TESTING or STABLE. Well, with some /etc/apt/preferences magic and dpkg -i --force-all I got a running KDE 3.1.2 on an alpha/testing. So far it works quite nicely! Not really a clean work :) See my a bit older post in this thread. Forcing the installation really doesn't pay off and you might end up with the same hodge podge as you see in Windows.
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 03:01:04PM +0100, David Marsh wrote: [Interleaved quoting: please read to end for all comments] Alexander Opitz wrote in gmane.linux.debian.user.kde: about: Re: latest kde 3.1.2 Am Mittwoch, 21. Mai 2003 13:13 schrieb David Marsh: I have similar problems. I'm running 'testing' and when I tried to upgrade to KDE 3.1.2, .. Now when I try to install KDE 3.1.2, using.. deb http://download.kde.org/stable/latest/Debian/ stable main ... That's where the problems come from. I presume I was being naive in assuming that there was backwards compatibility, that I could run code for an older system on a newer system..? :-( But also there is no KDE version for testing. None whatsoever? Does this mean that I would have to downgrade back to stable (is there an easy way to do that?) or upgrade to unstable (which I definitely do not plan to do!). Drat.. Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: kdelibs4: Depends: libarts1 (= 1.1.2) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libvorbis0 (= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.1.2-0woody1) Have you an up to date package file?? Yes. libarts (from testing) should depend on libvorbis0a (=1.0.0) and this file is inside testing. Try again with libarts1 from testing. I install libarts1 (1.1.2-1), but kdelibs4 (is this the first KDE package I should install, I'm not sure what order the KDE packages should be installed in), still complains: Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: kdelibs4: Depends: libarts1 (= 1.1.2) but it is not going to be installed Depends: libvorbis0 (= 1.0rc3-1) but it is not installable Depends: kdelibs-bin (= 4:3.1.2-0woody1) E: Sorry, broken packages which is bizarre as libarts1 (at the requested version) *is* installed, and then I have the problem that it wantss libvorbis0 (not libvorbis0a) again.. This is just going around in circles.. :-( I came across this too. It's easy to get sorted. Just note, that Arts from Sarge is 1.1.2-1 and Arts from KDE is 1.1.2-0. That's the reason. All KDE packages are available, but Sarge's Arts is considered _newer_ and thus, in dselect you see only it's version of Arts, 1.1.2-1, and NOT the KDE's one (1.1.2-0woody)! :) Now when KDE's package requests Arts, dselect will automaticly select it for you, but _wrong_ version, the Sarge's one, which has incompatible dependencies in combination with for-woody-compiled KDE. This is because ftp.kde.org is compiled for WOODY and _not_ SARGE. That's why there are these dependency problems. All you have to do (as I did and everything works ok) is to manually download KDE's complete Arts 1.1.2-0 (using an ftp client) and WOODY's version of libvorbis0. Remove any installed Arts and all (currently installed, Sarge's) libvorbis dependencies. And dpkg -i *.deb. That should do it. Maybe you will have to give up something, what depends on libvorbis, but that's the price you pay :) As far as I know, I didn't have to remove any other package because of that dependency. Just libvorbis's -dev, which you probably don't have installed at all. For any further questions, just ask. Hope this helps. It needs just a bit of tweaking. Sincerely, Dave
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
From: David Marsh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Now when I try to install KDE 3.1.2, using.. deb http://download.kde.org/stable/latest/Debian/ stable main ... ... But also there is no KDE version for testing. None whatsoever? Does this mean that I would have to downgrade back to stable (is there an easy way to do that?) or upgrade to unstable (which I definitely do not plan to do!). Drat.. Not at all. I run a complete Debian Sarge system without any trouble using http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1/Debian/. I would think that using 3.1.2 would still work - but like my original install of 3.1 there may be a few conflicts. I ended up throwing away a few packages that I wasn't using anyway. Eventually what's in Sid gets into Testing, and the download.kde.org link should be obsolete.
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
I install libarts1 (1.1.2-1), but kdelibs4 (is this the first KDE package I should install, I'm not sure what order the KDE packages should be installed in), still complains: You need libarts1_1.1.2-0woody1 from kde.org as libarts1_1.1.2-1 is compilied with gcc-3.3 whereas the kde you are trying to install from kde.org is compiled with gcc-2.95. The way I see it you have to remove libarts1 and then play with /etc/apt/preferences to give the kde.org source higher priority than the testing one at a guess it should be --- Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 500 Package: * Pin: release a=sarge Pin-Priority: 400 --- this is assuming your sources.list looks like the following deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib deb http://download.kde.org/stable/latest/Debian/ stable main Thinking about it if you set the priority of stable to 1001 it should downgrade libarts1 automatically. Also I think you'll need libvorbis from woody which you'll have to add to you're sources with a priority between the other 2. It's all very compicated it would be probably easier to take the kde from sid IMHO. All this is theory as I'm no expert and sadly can't test it on my setup. Hope it helps Nick
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 04:49:32PM +0100, David Marsh's listreading hat wrote: Hi Dave, [Interleaved comments: please read right to end of message] On Wed, 21 May 2003 17:02:38 +0200 Dave Lister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All you have to do (as I did and everything works ok) is to manually download KDE's complete Arts 1.1.2-0 (using an ftp client) and WOODY's version of libvorbis0. Remove any installed Arts and all (currently installed, Sarge's) libvorbis dependencies. And dpkg -i *.deb. That should do it. Maybe you will have to give up something, what depends on libvorbis, but that's the price you pay :) As far as I know, I didn't have to remove any other package because of that dependency. Just libvorbis's -dev, which you probably don't have installed at all. For any further questions, just ask. Hope this helps. It needs just a bit of tweaking. *Many* thanks, this seems to have done the trick! I now seem to have arts and libvorbis happy with each other (I hope) and am downloading the rest of the KDE debs as I type.. Thanks again, you saved me from a reinstall: I was this close to thinking 'try another distro' which comes with a more up-to-date KDE (than KDE2). It's a shame that the pace of KDE development and Debian development seem to be so out of sync, so that we're left with very old versions of KDE without these little tweaks and hassles.. I'm really happy to be of any help. It takes time, but sooner or later, one finds out that Debian is just the best distro out there :o) Actually Debian/KDE is not out of sync. KDE officialy releases binary packages only of _stable_ versions and _only_ for stable distros. If you had Debian Woody (stable) you wouldn't have had any problems. You see, Sarge is Debian's testing version... Regards, Dave
Re: Off-list: Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Wed, May 21, 2003 at 07:43:28PM +0100, Nick Leverton wrote: Trying not to be picky, but would you please mind snipping your quotations down to the bit you are actually commenting on ? I've left your entire message in so that you can see how annoying it is to have to skin three screens full, only to find just one or two lines added at the end. Um, all right. :-/ I'm using mutt and it never appeared to me as annoying to press 2x PgDn, because the message is nicely auto-quoted and Vim has very clean and polished syntax highlighting for mails (plain text, actually). The fact is that I'm new to mailing lists (used to be rather passive) and I (kind of) welcome any suggestions as far as rules and conventions are concerned. Dave
Re: Off-list: Re: latest kde 3.1.2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Op woensdag 21 mei 2003 21:47, schreef Dave Lister: The fact is that I'm new to mailing lists (used to be rather passive) and I (kind of) welcome any suggestions as far as rules and conventions are concerned. Dave Search for rfc1855 , eg http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc1855 - -- Casper Gielen [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Wiggle your mouse. Its just a screensaver. _Sprocket_ on Slashdot -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+y/cNIhQIPPgOSvcRAmFWAJ9D8q934JlqKIvgxuZ+0JSiQrxxmACbBJyD IU9aWvh5H56P4uNXfcOr2ts= =S7H7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
List Etiquette (was Re: latest kde 3.1.2)
On Thu, 22 May 2003 00:00:34 +0200, Casper Gielen wrote: Op woensdag 21 mei 2003 21:47, schreef Dave Lister: The fact is that I'm new to mailing lists (used to be rather passive) and I (kind of) welcome any suggestions as far as rules and conventions are concerned. Dave Search for rfc1855 , eg http://www.google.com/search?q=rfc1855 Don't know what this was about, but whoever it was that sought advice on list etiquette might want to read Eric Raymond's FAQ on how to ask questions the smart way : http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Nick Boyce Bristol, UK
latest kde 3.1.2
Is there any way to install the latest kde development packages alongside XFree86 4.3? It seems to be looking for a -pic package that doesn't exist for me. -- Sorry about the whole 'bomb' thing - Bruce Rollins D.A.Bishop
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Tue, 2003-05-20 at 13:07, David Bishop wrote: Is there any way to install the latest kde development packages alongside XFree86 4.3? It seems to be looking for a -pic package that doesn't exist for me. David, You may be interested in using my kde cvs packages that are built against XFree86 4.3 debs and do not require the -pic. Info at http://opendoorsoftware.com/cgi/http.pl?p=kdecvs;frame=1 Alternatively if you dont want to go that crazy :D you may want to apt-get install equivs and take a look at its documentation. equivs is a dummy package which can be used to create Debian packages, which only contain dependency information. Cheers, James -- Sorry about the whole 'bomb' thing - Bruce Rollins D.A.Bishop
Re: latest kde 3.1.2
On Tue, May 20, 2003 at 11:07:11AM -0600, David Bishop wrote: Is there any way to install the latest kde development packages alongside XFree86 4.3? It seems to be looking for a -pic package that doesn't exist for me. Unless it is possible to install xlibs-pic while xfree 4.3 is installed it probably won't work. KDE has to be compiled against xlibs-pic until xfree 4.3 goes into Debian otherwise it fails to build on several archs. With xfree 4.3 finally all libraries are compiled with -fPIC so it will no longer be needed for it. Chris
