Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 23:28 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > If you choose to unsubscribe from > > debian-kernel then don't complain that you don't hear what the kernel > > team is doing. > > wrong; i complain because the kernel team is apparently not > communicating to other teams about stuff that is critical for them. if > you maintain such a critical package, you need to talk to your users > within the distribution when you are intending to change stuff for them. > it's not that there would be too many. I have in fact mailed all maintainers of module-source packages that were being built through the conglomeration packages. > > I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Julian Klode filed #541828 on behalf of > > Debian Live. > > julian is not involved in debian-live (and he used the third person when > speaking about the debian-live team in #541828. that could have been a > clue). Then maybe you should consider that the communication problem lies between aufs and Debian Live maintainers. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
Ben Hutchings wrote: > If you choose to unsubscribe from > debian-kernel then don't complain that you don't hear what the kernel > team is doing. wrong; i complain because the kernel team is apparently not communicating to other teams about stuff that is critical for them. if you maintain such a critical package, you need to talk to your users within the distribution when you are intending to change stuff for them. it's not that there would be too many. > I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Julian Klode filed #541828 on behalf of > Debian Live. julian is not involved in debian-live (and he used the third person when speaking about the debian-live team in #541828. that could have been a clue). -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: daniel.baum...@panthera-systems.net Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
* Ben Hutchings (b...@decadent.org.uk) [091018 20:17]: > There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed > somehow. Alpha is no longer an release architecture, so I doubt that the release team would care. Cheers, Andi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 22:56 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > >> where was this discussed? > > > > Bug report #517130 > > which is one single message, not a discussion. > > > and the Debian kernel team meeting in Portland. > > in private then, behind 'closed doors'. :/ It was held at a conference; there was an open invitation here and a published agenda on wiki.debian.org. If you choose to unsubscribe from debian-kernel then don't complain that you don't hear what the kernel team is doing. [...] > >> why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of > >> the distribution for building live images. > > > > I've added aufs2 to the kernel image packages precisely because Debian > > Live needs it. > > thanks, but please do inform debian-live next time in advance. I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Julian Klode filed #541828 on behalf of Debian Live. > > Is there anything else you need? > > loop-aes. Sorry, we can't do this - loop-aes replaces the loop module. Max Vozeler has been working to fix this by adding a compatible mode to dm-crypt. You'll need to talk to him. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
Ben Hutchings wrote: >> where was this discussed? > > Bug report #517130 which is one single message, not a discussion. > and the Debian kernel team meeting in Portland. in private then, behind 'closed doors'. :/ >> how will be binary modules provided in the future? > > In general they should be built using DKMS or module-assistant. that's unacceptable for those modules that are required by debian-live, which is $unionfs and loop-aes. >> why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of >> the distribution for building live images. > > I've added aufs2 to the kernel image packages precisely because Debian > Live needs it. thanks, but please do inform debian-live next time in advance. > Is there anything else you need? loop-aes. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: daniel.baum...@panthera-systems.net Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 21:55 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > I'll be requesting removal of > > linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it. > > where was this discussed? Bug report #517130 and the Debian kernel team meeting in Portland. > how will be binary modules provided in the future? In general they should be built using DKMS or module-assistant. > why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of > the distribution for building live images. I've added aufs2 to the kernel image packages precisely because Debian Live needs it. Is there anything else you need? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
[snipping crosspost to d-release ] On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 09:55:16PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > I'll be requesting removal of > > linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it. > > where was this discussed? how will be binary modules provided in the > future? why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of > the distribution for building live images. read "Debian Kernel Group Meeting". very much needed for a sane testing migration. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 08:34:05PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Ben Hutchings [2009-10-18 19:17]: > > There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed > > somehow. > > Fixed for what? 2.6.30 or 2.6.31? I don't think we need another > 2.6.30 upload to fix alpha since it's being dropped from testing > anyway. 2.6.31 gcc ICE on mixart, guess it is due to a gcc change, as it didn't have much changes lately accordingt to git: http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=linux-2.6&ver=2.6.31-1~experimental.2&arch=alpha&stamp=1255523003&file=log&as=raw -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
Ben Hutchings wrote: > I'll be requesting removal of > linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it. where was this discussed? how will be binary modules provided in the future? why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of the distribution for building live images. -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email: daniel.baum...@panthera-systems.net Internet: http://people.panthera-systems.net/~daniel-baumann/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
* Ben Hutchings [2009-10-18 19:17]: > There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed > somehow. Fixed for what? 2.6.30 or 2.6.31? I don't think we need another 2.6.30 upload to fix alpha since it's being dropped from testing anyway. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 07:17:19PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed > somehow. will disable that stupid snd driver on alpha. > I also need to add a conflict to firmware-linux-nonfree. > Other than that I think we're ready to upload. Is there anything else > we should wait for? 2.6.31.5, so that we don't need to bump ABI soonest. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Status of Linux 2.6.31
Linux 2.6.31 seems to be in fairly good shape now. I have updated linux-kbuild-2.6 to 2.6.31.2 and refreshed firmware-linux-nonfree from the linux-firmware repository. I'll be requesting removal of linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it. Also, the stable series 2.6.30.y has now ended. There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed somehow. I also need to add a conflict to firmware-linux-nonfree. Other than that I think we're ready to upload. Is there anything else we should wait for? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so ingenious. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part