Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 23:28 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > If you choose to unsubscribe from
> > debian-kernel then don't complain that you don't hear what the kernel
> > team is doing.
> 
> wrong; i complain because the kernel team is apparently not
> communicating to other teams about stuff that is critical for them. if
> you maintain such a critical package, you need to talk to your users
> within the distribution when you are intending to change stuff for them.
> it's not that there would be too many.

I have in fact mailed all maintainers of module-source packages that
were being built through the conglomeration packages.

> > I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Julian Klode filed #541828 on behalf of
> > Debian Live.
> 
> julian is not involved in debian-live (and he used the third person when
> speaking about the debian-live team in #541828. that could have been a
> clue).

Then maybe you should consider that the communication problem lies
between aufs and Debian Live maintainers.

Ben.

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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Daniel Baumann
Ben Hutchings wrote:
> If you choose to unsubscribe from
> debian-kernel then don't complain that you don't hear what the kernel
> team is doing.

wrong; i complain because the kernel team is apparently not
communicating to other teams about stuff that is critical for them. if
you maintain such a critical package, you need to talk to your users
within the distribution when you are intending to change stuff for them.
it's not that there would be too many.

> I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Julian Klode filed #541828 on behalf of
> Debian Live.

julian is not involved in debian-live (and he used the third person when
speaking about the debian-live team in #541828. that could have been a
clue).

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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Andreas Barth
* Ben Hutchings (b...@decadent.org.uk) [091018 20:17]:
> There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed
> somehow.

Alpha is no longer an release architecture, so I doubt that the
release team would care.


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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 22:56 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >> where was this discussed?
> > 
> > Bug report #517130
> 
> which is one single message, not a discussion.
> 
> > and the Debian kernel team meeting in Portland.
> 
> in private then, behind 'closed doors'. :/

It was held at a conference; there was an open invitation here and a
published agenda on wiki.debian.org.  If you choose to unsubscribe from
debian-kernel then don't complain that you don't hear what the kernel
team is doing.

[...]
> >> why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of
> >> the distribution for building live images.
> > 
> > I've added aufs2 to the kernel image packages precisely because Debian
> > Live needs it.
> 
> thanks, but please do inform debian-live next time in advance.

I assumed, maybe wrongly, that Julian Klode filed #541828 on behalf of
Debian Live.

> >  Is there anything else you need?
> 
> loop-aes.

Sorry, we can't do this - loop-aes replaces the loop module.  Max
Vozeler has been working to fix this by adding a compatible mode to
dm-crypt.  You'll need to talk to him.

Ben.

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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Daniel Baumann
Ben Hutchings wrote:
>> where was this discussed?
> 
> Bug report #517130

which is one single message, not a discussion.

> and the Debian kernel team meeting in Portland.

in private then, behind 'closed doors'. :/

>> how will be binary modules provided in the future?
> 
> In general they should be built using DKMS or module-assistant.

that's unacceptable for those modules that are required by debian-live,
which is $unionfs and loop-aes.

>> why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of
>> the distribution for building live images.
> 
> I've added aufs2 to the kernel image packages precisely because Debian
> Live needs it.

thanks, but please do inform debian-live next time in advance.

>  Is there anything else you need?

loop-aes.

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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2009-10-18 at 21:55 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > I'll be requesting removal of
> > linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it.
> 
> where was this discussed?

Bug report #517130 and the Debian kernel team meeting in Portland.

> how will be binary modules provided in the future?

In general they should be built using DKMS or module-assistant.

> why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of
> the distribution for building live images.

I've added aufs2 to the kernel image packages precisely because Debian
Live needs it.  Is there anything else you need?

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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread maximilian attems
[snipping crosspost to d-release ]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 09:55:16PM +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> Ben Hutchings wrote:
> > I'll be requesting removal of
> > linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it.
> 
> where was this discussed? how will be binary modules provided in the
> future? why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of
> the distribution for building live images.

read "Debian Kernel Group Meeting".
very much needed for a sane testing migration.


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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread maximilian attems
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 08:34:05PM +0100, Martin Michlmayr wrote:
> * Ben Hutchings  [2009-10-18 19:17]:
> > There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed
> > somehow.
> 
> Fixed for what?  2.6.30 or 2.6.31?  I don't think we need another
> 2.6.30 upload to fix alpha since it's being dropped from testing
> anyway.

2.6.31 gcc ICE on mixart, guess it is due to a gcc change,
as it didn't have much changes lately accordingt to git:
http://experimental.debian.net/fetch.php?&pkg=linux-2.6&ver=2.6.31-1~experimental.2&arch=alpha&stamp=1255523003&file=log&as=raw


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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Daniel Baumann
Ben Hutchings wrote:
> I'll be requesting removal of
> linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it.

where was this discussed? how will be binary modules provided in the
future? why was debian-live not informed about it, it's critical part of
the distribution for building live images.

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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Martin Michlmayr
* Ben Hutchings  [2009-10-18 19:17]:
> There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed
> somehow.

Fixed for what?  2.6.30 or 2.6.31?  I don't think we need another
2.6.30 upload to fix alpha since it's being dropped from testing
anyway.
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Re: Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread maximilian attems
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 07:17:19PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> 
> There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed
> somehow. 

will disable that stupid snd driver on alpha.

> I also need to add a conflict to firmware-linux-nonfree.
> Other than that I think we're ready to upload.  Is there anything else
> we should wait for?

2.6.31.5, so that we don't need to bump ABI soonest.


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Status of Linux 2.6.31

2009-10-18 Thread Ben Hutchings
Linux 2.6.31 seems to be in fairly good shape now.  I have updated
linux-kbuild-2.6 to 2.6.31.2 and refreshed firmware-linux-nonfree from
the linux-firmware repository.  I'll be requesting removal of
linux-modules-extra-2.6 rather than updating it.

Also, the stable series 2.6.30.y has now ended.

There was a build failure for linux-2.6 on alpha which needs to be fixed
somehow.  I also need to add a conflict to firmware-linux-nonfree.
Other than that I think we're ready to upload.  Is there anything else
we should wait for?

Ben.

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