Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 09:09:35PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:18 +0900, Horms wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:06:42AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ If you have time in the next couple of days, please take a look and tell me where I went wrong :) I tried to talk about both day-to-day type tasks, as well as some history and some notable stuff happening on the list lately (kernel freeze, ABI issues, unified source package, security support, firmware redistributability, etc). I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. Horms: I listed you as an author in this draft because I stole some content directly from a couple of your .au slides; let me know if you'd prefer I didn't. Sure thats fine, though I am not sure I convinced enough to be a co-author. You had some good content that I included nearly verbatim. BTW, I am still planning to go to DebConf (mmm, should arrange tickets) and so if you are intereted, to co-present this paper. I am indeed interested; I was thinking it'd be cool to do something panel-like. i.e., a presentation with a group of available -kernel folk available to handle questions participate in discussion points of interest. Though, there maybe enough content (and hopefully enough interest) that we put together an ad hoc BOF after the presentation. Let me know what you think. Sure that sounds fine to me. The important thing in my mind is to make people aware of what is going on, and how they can help. A panel seems like a good format to do that. -- Horms -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:18 +0900, Horms wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:06:42AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ If you have time in the next couple of days, please take a look and tell me where I went wrong :) I tried to talk about both day-to-day type tasks, as well as some history and some notable stuff happening on the list lately (kernel freeze, ABI issues, unified source package, security support, firmware redistributability, etc). I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. Horms: I listed you as an author in this draft because I stole some content directly from a couple of your .au slides; let me know if you'd prefer I didn't. Sure thats fine, though I am not sure I convinced enough to be a co-author. You had some good content that I included nearly verbatim. BTW, I am still planning to go to DebConf (mmm, should arrange tickets) and so if you are intereted, to co-present this paper. I am indeed interested; I was thinking it'd be cool to do something panel-like. i.e., a presentation with a group of available -kernel folk available to handle questions participate in discussion points of interest. Though, there maybe enough content (and hopefully enough interest) that we put together an ad hoc BOF after the presentation. Let me know what you think. -- dann frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Mon, 2005-05-30 at 23:47 +0200, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2005, dann frazier wrote: hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ cool If you have time in the next couple of days, please take a look and tell me where I went wrong :) I tried to talk about both day-to-day type tasks, as well as some history and some notable stuff happening on the list lately (kernel freeze, ABI issues, unified source package, security support, firmware redistributability, etc). the bet on a stable abi is bad, please refer to Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt d-i needs to improve a lot in that aspect, nice to get those archive hacks, but showing wrong direction. Thanks. I think my statement that the ABI changes occasionally is still accurate, since we actually haven't had to role the SONAME much. I hadn't read stable_api_nonsense.txt before, and after doing so I added the following footnote: The upstream ABI interface policy does not discourage ABI changes. In fact, changing an interface to resolve a security issue can have positive characteristics. Quoting from Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt: ``Security issues are also a very important for Linux (SIC). When a security issue is found, it is fixed in a very short amount of time. A number of times this has caused internal kernel interfaces to be reworked to prevent the security problem from occuring. When this happens, all drivers that use the interfaces were also fixed at the same time, ensuring that the security problem was fixed and could not come back at some future time accidentally. If the internal interfaces were not allowed to change, fixing this kind of security problem and insuring that it could not happen again would not be possible.'' I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. please mention the ongoing work of jbailey concerning the replacement of the initrd-tools by initramfs. I've added a section on Jeff's initramfs work; mostly content lifted from his wiki and what I've gleaned from irc. Thanks for the suggestions! I'll post a new version shortly. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Tue, 2005-05-31 at 14:28 +1000, Anibal Monsalve Salazar wrote: On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:06:42AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ I would like to see a section about joining the debian-kernel team and how to help. Horms allowed me to see what he usually does as part of his debian-kernel work after his presentation during linux.conf.au. It was very important to me, however, I'm still learning how to help effectively. So far, I'm following the lkm and the debian-kernel list. Maybe we could have a BOF/tutorial about all that. I used Horms' presentation as a reference and added a How Can I Help section. Horms: I listed you as an author in this draft because I stole some content directly from a couple of your .au slides; let me know if you'd prefer I didn't. I think you should change the pronoum I to either your own name or horms' name. It may not be a problem for people who already know who is doing what. But, for some people at debconf it may be unclear. I fixed the instances of this that I found and have uploaded a new version to the same location, taking into account all feedback to date. Thanks for the feedback Anibal! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ If you have time in the next couple of days, please take a look and tell me where I went wrong :) I tried to talk about both day-to-day type tasks, as well as some history and some notable stuff happening on the list lately (kernel freeze, ABI issues, unified source package, security support, firmware redistributability, etc). I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. Horms: I listed you as an author in this draft because I stole some content directly from a couple of your .au slides; let me know if you'd prefer I didn't. -- dann frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Mon, 30 May 2005, dann frazier wrote: hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ cool If you have time in the next couple of days, please take a look and tell me where I went wrong :) I tried to talk about both day-to-day type tasks, as well as some history and some notable stuff happening on the list lately (kernel freeze, ABI issues, unified source package, security support, firmware redistributability, etc). the bet on a stable abi is bad, please refer to Documentation/stable_api_nonsense.txt d-i needs to improve a lot in that aspect, nice to get those archive hacks, but showing wrong direction. I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. please mention the ongoing work of jbailey concerning the replacement of the initrd-tools by initramfs. -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Mon, 30 May 2005, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2005, dann frazier wrote: I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. please mention the ongoing work of jbailey concerning the replacement of the initrd-tools by initramfs. forgot the url http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/Initramfs -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: draft of DebConf5 debian-kernel paper
On Mon, May 30, 2005 at 08:06:42AM -0600, dann frazier wrote: hey, I posted a draft of a paper for DebConf here: http://people.debian.org/~dannf/debconf5/ If you have time in the next couple of days, please take a look and tell me where I went wrong :) I tried to talk about both day-to-day type tasks, as well as some history and some notable stuff happening on the list lately (kernel freeze, ABI issues, unified source package, security support, firmware redistributability, etc). I'm very open to changes - new topics included. I think a number of people on this list will be there - if you'd like to co-present on one of these topics (or one I didn't mention), let me know. I would like to see a section about joining the debian-kernel team and how to help. Horms allowed me to see what he usually does as part of his debian-kernel work after his presentation during linux.conf.au. It was very important to me, however, I'm still learning how to help effectively. So far, I'm following the lkm and the debian-kernel list. Maybe we could have a BOF/tutorial about all that. Horms: I listed you as an author in this draft because I stole some content directly from a couple of your .au slides; let me know if you'd prefer I didn't. I think you should change the pronoum I to either your own name or horms' name. It may not be a problem for people who already know who is doing what. But, for some people at debconf it may be unclear. -- dann frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anibal Monsalve Salazar -- .''`. Debian GNU/Linux : :' : Free Operating System `. `' http://debian.org/ `- http://v7w.com/anibal signature.asc Description: Digital signature
