Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:10:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) this guy is adding to much noise, so that various bug reports get useless. if strong words didn't help yet, please cut him off. It'd help if I was given links to specific messages that are problematic so I don't have to search through the whole set of bugs which this person has interacted with.[0] Though, other messages from this individual[1], my bar is not going to be very high to restrict him from mailing the BTS. Don Armstrong 0: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?correspondent=lkcl%40lkcl.net 1: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2011/08/msg00155.html -- A citizen of America will cross the ocean to fight for democracy, but won't cross the street to vote in a national election. -- Bill Vaughan http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110825230337.gx5...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Thu, 2011-08-25 at 16:03 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 23 Aug 2011, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:10:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) this guy is adding to much noise, so that various bug reports get useless. if strong words didn't help yet, please cut him off. It'd help if I was given links to specific messages that are problematic so I don't have to search through the whole set of bugs which this person has interacted with.[0] Though, other messages from this individual[1], my bar is not going to be very high to restrict him from mailing the BTS. http://bugs.debian.org/636123#138 http://bugs.debian.org/636123#159 http://bugs.debian.org/636123#172 http://bugs.debian.org/638896#16 http://bugs.debian.org/638896#26 Ben. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Fri, 26 Aug 2011, Ben Hutchings wrote: http://bugs.debian.org/636123#138 http://bugs.debian.org/636123#159 http://bugs.debian.org/636123#172 http://bugs.debian.org/638896#16 http://bugs.debian.org/638896#26 Ok. These aren't quite the smoking gun I was looking for, but they're certainly problematic interactions. After bothering to go through everything else, I find some continuing antagonizing interactions, coupled with some useful reports. I'm going to restrict the user from interacting with the BTS, but I may remove that restriction after further discussion with the user. As a side note, it seems to me that a large number of the issues with conflict between maintainers and users are reported to me come the linux-2.6 package. Exchanges like this[1]: I'd say this is fairly serious, and am not going to hang about: will be moving this data onto ext3 as quickly as possible. And yet ext4 works fine for other people. aren't terribly productive. It's much easier for me to deal with problematic BTS interactions when I don't get the impression that both sides are contributing to the problem. Don Armstrong 1: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=636290#10 -- There's no problem so large it can't be solved by killing the user off, deleting their files, closing their account and reporting their REAL earnings to the IRS. -- The B.O.F.H.. http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110826022102.gc23...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:37 PM Ben Hutchings wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:58:33PM +0300, Touko Korpela wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 08:05:26PM +, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:10:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) this guy is adding to much noise, so that various bug reports get useless. if strong words didn't help yet, please cut him off. Maybe give him one more chance. I told him that messages to bug address don't reach bug submitter (he wasn't aware of it, now he knows). That has caused some miscommunication before. It would be good if more people could help with bugs if right ways are told. Kernel team: Thanks for the work keeping debian kernel clean... Sorry in advance, for any noise this email may produce. The whole problem at the moment is that he is contacting another bug submitter and wasting the other persons's time. So it would have been better if you had not let him know hbout the submitter address. We absolutely do welcome people helping to triage bugs, but lkcl is hindering us through bad information and a worse attitude. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110823213707.gh29...@decadent.org.uk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1314194550.88560.yahoomail...@web35608.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:10:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) this guy is adding to much noise, so that various bug reports get useless. if strong words didn't help yet, please cut him off. thanks -- maks -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110823200526.ge1...@vostochny.stro.at
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 08:05:26PM +, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:10:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) this guy is adding to much noise, so that various bug reports get useless. if strong words didn't help yet, please cut him off. Maybe give him one more chance. I told him that messages to bug address don't reach bug submitter (he wasn't aware of it, now he knows). That has caused some miscommunication before. It would be good if more people could help with bugs if right ways are told. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110823205833.GA31830@tiikeri.vuoristo.local
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:58:33PM +0300, Touko Korpela wrote: On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 08:05:26PM +, maximilian attems wrote: On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 09:10:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) this guy is adding to much noise, so that various bug reports get useless. if strong words didn't help yet, please cut him off. Maybe give him one more chance. I told him that messages to bug address don't reach bug submitter (he wasn't aware of it, now he knows). That has caused some miscommunication before. It would be good if more people could help with bugs if right ways are told. The whole problem at the moment is that he is contacting another bug submitter and wasting the other persons's time. So it would have been better if you had not let him know hbout the submitter address. We absolutely do welcome people helping to triage bugs, but lkcl is hindering us through bad information and a worse attitude. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kernel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110823213707.gh29...@decadent.org.uk
lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net (lkcl) reported bug #636123, which then received a follow-up which is very clearly (to me) a different bug. He insists on asking the second submitter to investigate things as if the second bug is the same as his bug, while I have asked the second submitter to open a new bug. This is the same bug report where lkcl previously refused to provide requested behaviour (#22) and insulted me when I closed it (#32, #39). Please warn lkcl to desist from interfering with bug handling by maintainers, or simply ban him now. Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: lkcl interference with initramfs-tools bug handling
I notice that bug #636123 is currently assigned to src:linux-2.6, although it may be a bug in initramfs-tools. In any case, both packages are maintained by the kernel team. Ben. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
