Re: Corel's apt frontend

1999-10-18 Thread Bruce Perens
From: Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 01:12:42PM -0700, Bruce J. Perens wrote:
 DO NOT LGPL, that would let them make the front-end non-free. Qt
 exception is fine.

I think it's Corel's intent to GPL the front-end anyway, but I'd prefer not
to make it possible for _others_ to put non-free front-ends on APT.

Branden:
 Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Is there a form of non-free they
 could get away with that wouldn't force them to pay royalties to Troll
 Tech, though?

I don't think it's more than $2000. They can afford it :-)

 It is ultimately Jason's decision, though.  He could decide to do neither
 and leave Corel in a nice big quandary.  :)

They are already getting an education-by-fire regarding licenses, aren't
they? I don't think we have to make it any more difficult.

Thanks

Bruce


Re: opencontent licence DFSG free?

1999-10-18 Thread Jens Ritter
Chris Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Oct 12, Joey Hess wrote:
  The whole O'Reilly debian book is online now at
  http://www.ora.com/catalog/debian/chapter/
  
  The copyright is the OpenContent license,
  http://www.ora.com/catalog/debian/chapter/copyright.html
  
  It looks to me on a hurried reading that the opencontent license is DFSG
  free so long as none of the license options are invoked. Opinions?
 
 I tend to agree; my recollection is that the OpenContent License (aka
 OPL) was specifically designed to be compliant with the Open Source
 Definition (and thus the DFSG).  Furthermore, I think RMS helped them
 write it or revise it.

What about this?

Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the
citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher and
author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the book. On
all outer surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall
be as large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with
respect to the title.

(from http://www.ora.com/catalog/debian/chapter/appf_01.html)

Isn´t this an advertising clause like the BSD license had?
This would be bad and make it non-free, doesn`t it?

I wonder if it is enforceable, because every book has got 6 outer
surfaces and its hard to get the information requested on the side
which opens up... *eg*

Jens

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Re: opencontent licence DFSG free?

1999-10-18 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Oct 18, Jens Ritter wrote:
 What about this?
 
 Any publication in standard (paper) book form shall require the
 citation of the original publisher and author. The publisher and
 author's names shall appear on all outer surfaces of the book. On
 all outer surfaces of the book the original publisher's name shall
 be as large as the title of the work and cited as possessive with
 respect to the title.
 
 (from http://www.ora.com/catalog/debian/chapter/appf_01.html)
 
 Isn´t this an advertising clause like the BSD license had?
 This would be bad and make it non-free, doesn`t it?
 
 I wonder if it is enforceable, because every book has got 6 outer
 surfaces and its hard to get the information requested on the side
 which opens up... *eg*

I don't think it's an advertising clause in the sense of the BSD
advertising clause.  It's more like a reasonable disclosure clause
(i.e. telling people what they're buying).

I assume all outer surfaces is a publishing term for the covers and
spine.

(Also, I'd check to see if this clause is in the release OPL at the
Open Content website.  The book is licensed under ANY version of the
OPL, and the latest versions are a lot less strict in terms of
attribution and limiting the freedom of derived works.)


Chris
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