Re: Bug#68652 acknowledged by developer (dosemu has clickwrap license)
If the clickwrap license doesn't go away, dosemu should move to non-free. Ridiculous laws in a handful of the United States notwithstanding, it's usually not possible for one to make a contract between themselves and a bit of software by clicking or typing their assent. Prepetuating this braindead practice of restriction and intimidation by befuddlement in proprietary software is bad enough; it has no place in Free Software. On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 02:48:49AM -0500, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report. > > It has been closed by one of the developers, namely > Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is > unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate > message then please contact the developer directly, or email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. > > Darren Benham > (administrator, Debian Bugs database) > > Received: (at 68652-done) by bugs.debian.org; 6 Aug 2000 07:37:18 + > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Aug 06 02:37:18 2000 > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from gondor.apana.org.au [203.14.152.114] (root) > by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 2 (Debian)) > id 13LKzk-0005IJ-00; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:37:17 -0500 > Received: (from herbert@localhost) > by gondor.apana.org.au (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1/Debian 8.11.0-1) id >e767bBF10115 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:37:11 +1000 > From: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:37:11 +1000 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bug#68652: dosemu has clickwrap license > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on >Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 03:20:19AM -0400 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 03:20:19AM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > > Package: dosemu > > Version: 1.0.1-3 > > > > These things are annoying. Make it go away. > > > > The Linux DOSEMU, Copyright (C) 2000 the 'DOSEMU-Development-Team'. > > This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > > but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > > MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the file > > COPYING for more details. Use this programm at your own risk! > > > > By continuing execution of this programm, you are stating that you > > have read the file COPYING and the above liability disclaimer and > > that you accept these conditions. > > > > Enter 'yes' to confirm/continue: yes > > Bring it up with the upstream maintainers. I shall respect their decision. -- Brian Ristuccia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#68652 acknowledged by developer (dosemu has clickwrap license)
On Aug 06, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > If the clickwrap license doesn't go away, dosemu should move to non-free. [...] Show me where the DFSG prohibits software from using clickwrap licenses. (Incidentally, *our boot floppies* display the license and require confirmation to continue... they don't specifically ask that you accept the license, but that's a moot point.) Chris -- = | Chris Lawrence | Your source for almost nothing of value: | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.lordsutch.com/ | || | |Open Directory Editor |Visit the Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5:| | http://dmoz.org/ |<*> http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/ <*>| = -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#68652 acknowledged by developer (dosemu has clickwrap license)
On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 09:10:29PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Aug 06, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > > If the clickwrap license doesn't go away, dosemu should move to non-free. > [...] > > Show me where the DFSG prohibits software from using clickwrap > licenses. It's a restriction on use rather than on copying. In the past, restrictions on use have been found to violate DFSG #6. Also, in jurisdictions where one can form a contract via a clickwrap, it's a requirement for an execution of an additional license by the end user in violation of DFSG #7. The license in the file file COPYING may allow Debian to modify dosemu to remove the clickwrap license. If it does, I see no reason why not to since clickwraps are annoying. Why not replace By continuing execution of this programm, you are stating that you have read the file COPYING and the above liability disclaimer and that you accept these conditions. Enter 'yes' to confirm/continue: yes with something like Press \n to continue. > (Incidentally, *our boot floppies* display the license and > require confirmation to continue... they don't specifically ask that > you accept the license, but that's a moot point.) > Requiring the user to accept the license instead of just giving them an opportunity to read the license makes a big difference. Having lawfully aquired Debian, it can be argued that the end user is free to do with it as he chooses even if he does not accept the license. Of course, without first accepting the license he may not copy the software without infringing, but this does not affect his ability to read or use the software. (Some might argue that temporarily copying the program into memory in order to execute it would constitute infringement if done without license from the copyright holder but this is an extraordinarily weak argument - especially so in jurisdictions where fair use is a defense for infringment) -- Brian Ristuccia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#68652 acknowledged by developer (dosemu has clickwrap license)
If the clickwrap license doesn't go away, dosemu should move to non-free. Ridiculous laws in a handful of the United States notwithstanding, it's usually not possible for one to make a contract between themselves and a bit of software by clicking or typing their assent. Prepetuating this braindead practice of restriction and intimidation by befuddlement in proprietary software is bad enough; it has no place in Free Software. On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 02:48:49AM -0500, Debian Bug Tracking System wrote: > This is an automatic notification regarding your Bug report. > > It has been closed by one of the developers, namely > Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. > > Their explanation is attached below. If this explanation is > unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate > message then please contact the developer directly, or email > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or me. > > Darren Benham > (administrator, Debian Bugs database) > > Received: (at 68652-done) by bugs.debian.org; 6 Aug 2000 07:37:18 + > From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Aug 06 02:37:18 2000 > Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from gondor.apana.org.au [203.14.152.114] (root) > by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 2 (Debian)) > id 13LKzk-0005IJ-00; Sun, 06 Aug 2000 02:37:17 -0500 > Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > by gondor.apana.org.au (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1/Debian 8.11.0-1) id > e767bBF10115 > for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:37:11 +1000 > From: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 17:37:11 +1000 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Bug#68652: dosemu has clickwrap license > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 06, 2000 > at 03:20:19AM -0400 > Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 03:20:19AM -0400, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > > Package: dosemu > > Version: 1.0.1-3 > > > > These things are annoying. Make it go away. > > > > The Linux DOSEMU, Copyright (C) 2000 the 'DOSEMU-Development-Team'. > > This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > > but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > > MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the file > > COPYING for more details. Use this programm at your own risk! > > > > By continuing execution of this programm, you are stating that you > > have read the file COPYING and the above liability disclaimer and > > that you accept these conditions. > > > > Enter 'yes' to confirm/continue: yes > > Bring it up with the upstream maintainers. I shall respect their decision. -- Brian Ristuccia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug#68652 acknowledged by developer (dosemu has clickwrap license)
On Aug 06, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > If the clickwrap license doesn't go away, dosemu should move to non-free. [...] Show me where the DFSG prohibits software from using clickwrap licenses. (Incidentally, *our boot floppies* display the license and require confirmation to continue... they don't specifically ask that you accept the license, but that's a moot point.) Chris -- = | Chris Lawrence | Your source for almost nothing of value: | | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.lordsutch.com/ | || | |Open Directory Editor |Visit the Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5:| | http://dmoz.org/ |<*> http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/ <*>| =
Re: Bug#68652 acknowledged by developer (dosemu has clickwrap license)
On Sun, Aug 06, 2000 at 09:10:29PM -0500, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Aug 06, Brian Ristuccia wrote: > > If the clickwrap license doesn't go away, dosemu should move to non-free. > [...] > > Show me where the DFSG prohibits software from using clickwrap > licenses. It's a restriction on use rather than on copying. In the past, restrictions on use have been found to violate DFSG #6. Also, in jurisdictions where one can form a contract via a clickwrap, it's a requirement for an execution of an additional license by the end user in violation of DFSG #7. The license in the file file COPYING may allow Debian to modify dosemu to remove the clickwrap license. If it does, I see no reason why not to since clickwraps are annoying. Why not replace By continuing execution of this programm, you are stating that you have read the file COPYING and the above liability disclaimer and that you accept these conditions. Enter 'yes' to confirm/continue: yes with something like Press \n to continue. > (Incidentally, *our boot floppies* display the license and > require confirmation to continue... they don't specifically ask that > you accept the license, but that's a moot point.) > Requiring the user to accept the license instead of just giving them an opportunity to read the license makes a big difference. Having lawfully aquired Debian, it can be argued that the end user is free to do with it as he chooses even if he does not accept the license. Of course, without first accepting the license he may not copy the software without infringing, but this does not affect his ability to read or use the software. (Some might argue that temporarily copying the program into memory in order to execute it would constitute infringement if done without license from the copyright holder but this is an extraordinarily weak argument - especially so in jurisdictions where fair use is a defense for infringment) -- Brian Ristuccia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
